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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by phischa on Sept 6, 2017 19:37:37 GMT 1, At the risk of getting flamed ...... we all belong to the UAA and on here we have a number of people who are artist's who regularly advise of what they are doing in terms of work. There are people on this forum who spend a great deal of time promoting their work and detailing when its available - Leo B, Zanda, Dan K, ABC to name just a few. So if we go back to what I see the title of this thread is and what I expected this to transpire into - I thought we were looking to support through a commission an artist (or possibly a number) by asking them to produce a print be it limited edition or whatever that a number of us would commit to purchasing BEFORE it was produced to help them get a foot on the ladder. I know many of the people on this forum have strong opinions on what they like and do not like (and what constitutes good art and bad).... so on the basis that we are an URBAN art association we should be looking for an urban artist that is not 'well known' but that we wish to support by guaranteeing them a print run of lets say 50? at a price that makes it worth their while. I, like many people on here have many 'known' artist prints - however I also like art from people like Dan, Leo, Zanda, Fake, Coach's talented son, etc..... So my suggestion is that we take a number, commit a few pounds and go with an artist that is also on the UAA and contributes to our association. That we do this not to make money from the print but to support them.... and that perhaps in years to come we can be proud to have helped them reach some place in the art world to which we believe they should be. If this is the sentiment for this thread then I am 100% in. Yorkie
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At the risk of getting flamed ...... we all belong to the UAA and on here we have a number of people who are artist's who regularly advise of what they are doing in terms of work. There are people on this forum who spend a great deal of time promoting their work and detailing when its available - Leo B, Zanda, Dan K, ABC to name just a few. So if we go back to what I see the title of this thread is and what I expected this to transpire into - I thought we were looking to support through a commission an artist (or possibly a number) by asking them to produce a print be it limited edition or whatever that a number of us would commit to purchasing BEFORE it was produced to help them get a foot on the ladder. I know many of the people on this forum have strong opinions on what they like and do not like (and what constitutes good art and bad).... so on the basis that we are an URBAN art association we should be looking for an urban artist that is not 'well known' but that we wish to support by guaranteeing them a print run of lets say 50? at a price that makes it worth their while. I, like many people on here have many 'known' artist prints - however I also like art from people like Dan, Leo, Zanda, Fake, Coach's talented son, etc..... So my suggestion is that we take a number, commit a few pounds and go with an artist that is also on the UAA and contributes to our association. That we do this not to make money from the print but to support them.... and that perhaps in years to come we can be proud to have helped them reach some place in the art world to which we believe they should be. If this is the sentiment for this thread then I am 100% in. Yorkie What he said |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by cogitobcn on Sept 6, 2017 20:52:33 GMT 1, I think that it will not be easy to agree about the artist, but it will be even harder if we also need to agree about the charity organization. Charity implies specific values and politics. Just my opinion.
I think that it will not be easy to agree about the artist, but it will be even harder if we also need to agree about the charity organization. Charity implies specific values and politics. Just my opinion.
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by King Robbo Lives on Sept 6, 2017 21:01:48 GMT 1, Maybe Matt Gondek? His work seems impossible to get off the release....
Maybe Matt Gondek? His work seems impossible to get off the release....
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by gd79 on Sept 6, 2017 21:04:59 GMT 1, Could be easier to tie up with a college. Most art colleges (eg central st martins) do frequent student/ graduate art shows, covering a broad range of genres. They definitely could use the funding. The equipment is on site. It's a long way from getting pejac to fire off 100 prints and a bunch ending up on eBay, but more in keeping with the original sentinent
Could be easier to tie up with a college. Most art colleges (eg central st martins) do frequent student/ graduate art shows, covering a broad range of genres. They definitely could use the funding. The equipment is on site. It's a long way from getting pejac to fire off 100 prints and a bunch ending up on eBay, but more in keeping with the original sentinent
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by mojo on Sept 6, 2017 21:05:18 GMT 1,
Much as I understand the sentiment behind the idea, establishing an artists career, managing print runs and output and enabling longevity within their career is a very fine balancing act.
Most of the artists suggested within this thread are already on here and regularly offer their work for sale so maybe just buy it as well as visit local galleries to give real support.
I would be very surprised if an artist as established as Pejac would entertain giving away a print idea just to appease 50 people on here, it wouldn't advance his career in any way.
Throwing money at an 'up & coming' artist before they are ready and established enough can damage their career as well as help them along.
Much as I understand the sentiment behind the idea, establishing an artists career, managing print runs and output and enabling longevity within their career is a very fine balancing act.
Most of the artists suggested within this thread are already on here and regularly offer their work for sale so maybe just buy it as well as visit local galleries to give real support.
I would be very surprised if an artist as established as Pejac would entertain giving away a print idea just to appease 50 people on here, it wouldn't advance his career in any way.
Throwing money at an 'up & coming' artist before they are ready and established enough can damage their career as well as help them along.
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by gd79 on Sept 6, 2017 21:11:06 GMT 1, As a pretty much random example, if I take the current Central St Martins exhibition, and take the first illustrator, then we www.thomasmooreillustrates.com
As a pretty much random example, if I take the current Central St Martins exhibition, and take the first illustrator, then we www.thomasmooreillustrates.com |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by met on Sept 6, 2017 21:42:08 GMT 1, "Never any harm in asking." is a platitude. In this context, it's also a thought-terminating cliché. So I'll challenge it for the sake of discussion. Depending on the situation, it is my view there sometimes can be harm in asking — at least for the person asking. Two examples: 1. A possible harm is the waste of one's time and energy. The older one gets, the easier it becomes to appreciate these are both very limited resources. Time and energy spent trying to do one thing could otherwise have been spent (perhaps more productively and rewardingly) elsewhere, such as with family and friends. These two resources should therefore be treated as precious — not allocated to wishful-thinking exercises where the likelihood of success is pretty much zero. Taking extreme examples to better make the point, would you also contact Andreas Gursky or Jeff Koons or Damien Hirst on the basis that there's "never any harm in asking"? 2. More decidedly in the Pejac case is the possible damage to one's reputation. Asking will have an impact (negative, I believe) on the manner in which the asker is perceived. I'll put myself in the shoes of Max Ruiz for this thought experiment: If someone were to approach me with an offer similar to the one being proposed, I'd view them as naive. Worse still, it would make patently clear to me that they were clueless about what I've been trying for years to achieve with Pe jac's career. And so, as a consequence of merely asking, that person would immediately drop in my esteem. With their credibility tainted, I'd be less likely to engage with them going forward. I wouldn't see them as informed or experienced collectors. They would not therefore be serious candidates if I were considering different private collections where future Pe jac originals could be placed. Well regarding time, it seemed to take approximately 30 seconds to ask. Although I am not yet that old, 30 seconds even to an aged type is not a vast amount of time. The problem is that some people seem to focus to closely on what others would think about them. I dont think anyone would be 'insulted' by a request to buy their work. Or 'naive' to ask. I think one could say its aloof and demeaning to those you think have no idea about how this works to make broad statements like that. As to credability - to whom and for what, we are not galleries or art dealers (in the main) why does supposed credability matter? All for the sake of discussion though!
In relation to time, I was looking at this more as a matter of principle — that any time wasted is regrettable.
But your 30-seconds point is a fair one. The period you spent on this occasion was indeed very brief.
And of course the same would be true with all the other artists I mentioned as examples. For each of those other cases, it would only be another 30 seconds spent. Or even less, if you're cutting and pasting from your initial email template. Following this logic, there would be little harm in also sending a message to Pest Control and asking whether Banksy would be interested. You never know.
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Regarding what others may think of me, since the age of 15 (when I knew everything) my knee-jerk response has been either (a) "Fuck them all" or (b) something close to that. Self-defeating behaviour can be irresistibly seductive. It allows us to rationalise our actual or anticipated failures.
[Although I never watched the show, it's my understanding that Dylan on Beverly Hills, 90210 is the person who first used the expression, "May the bridges I burn light the way". Rather glorious, no? Apparently he also came up with, "So you're Brandon's sister, huh?", but the latter was less popular on t-shirts.]
That said, when being honest with myself, I do admit (not without embarrassment) sometimes caring about what others think of me. But I don't see this as a "problem". It comes down to distinctions:
1. With loved ones, people I'm close to, fond of, and/or respect, I often take into account what they might think.
2. With everyone else, including strangers on public message boards, it depends. For example, if I'm perceived to be aloof or an arrogant prat, that is of minimal concern to me. But if I were seen as deceitful or petty, this would make me unhappy. Likewise if my comments were widely viewed to be unfair, ill-informed or poorly considered.
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While I made no reference to anybody being "insulted", I stand by my earlier statement about naivety. Before approaching someone like Max Ruiz with a commercial offer, it seems critical to first understand their motivations, and the strategies they're following with careers of artists like Pejac. If Ruiz has time to respond to your email request, I am in no doubt he will decline, albeit politely.
As for the issue of credibility, we seem to disagree. Which is perfectly fine.
My own conviction is that it's difficult to overestimate the importance of art-world credibility — including as a private collector who's knowledgeable, exercises good judgement, and can be taken seriously. During interactions by collectors with artists and dealers, credibility can often be the difference between an open door and one that remains shut.
"Never any harm in asking." is a platitude. In this context, it's also a thought-terminating cliché. So I'll challenge it for the sake of discussion. Depending on the situation, it is my view there sometimes can be harm in asking — at least for the person asking. Two examples: 1. A possible harm is the waste of one's time and energy. The older one gets, the easier it becomes to appreciate these are both very limited resources. Time and energy spent trying to do one thing could otherwise have been spent (perhaps more productively and rewardingly) elsewhere, such as with family and friends. These two resources should therefore be treated as precious — not allocated to wishful-thinking exercises where the likelihood of success is pretty much zero. Taking extreme examples to better make the point, would you also contact Andreas Gursky or Jeff Koons or Damien Hirst on the basis that there's "never any harm in asking"? 2. More decidedly in the Pejac case is the possible damage to one's reputation. Asking will have an impact (negative, I believe) on the manner in which the asker is perceived. I'll put myself in the shoes of Max Ruiz for this thought experiment: If someone were to approach me with an offer similar to the one being proposed, I'd view them as naive. Worse still, it would make patently clear to me that they were clueless about what I've been trying for years to achieve with Pe jac's career. And so, as a consequence of merely asking, that person would immediately drop in my esteem. With their credibility tainted, I'd be less likely to engage with them going forward. I wouldn't see them as informed or experienced collectors. They would not therefore be serious candidates if I were considering different private collections where future Pe jac originals could be placed. Well regarding time, it seemed to take approximately 30 seconds to ask. Although I am not yet that old, 30 seconds even to an aged type is not a vast amount of time. The problem is that some people seem to focus to closely on what others would think about them. I dont think anyone would be 'insulted' by a request to buy their work. Or 'naive' to ask. I think one could say its aloof and demeaning to those you think have no idea about how this works to make broad statements like that. As to credability - to whom and for what, we are not galleries or art dealers (in the main) why does supposed credability matter? All for the sake of discussion though! In relation to time, I was looking at this more as a matter of principle — that any time wasted is regrettable. But your 30-seconds point is a fair one. The period you spent on this occasion was indeed very brief. And of course the same would be true with all the other artists I mentioned as examples. For each of those other cases, it would only be another 30 seconds spent. Or even less, if you're cutting and pasting from your initial email template. Following this logic, there would be little harm in also sending a message to Pest Control and asking whether Banksy would be interested. You never know. ___________ Regarding what others may think of me, since the age of 15 (when I knew everything) my knee-jerk response has been either (a) "Fuck them all" or (b) something close to that. Self-defeating behaviour can be irresistibly seductive. It allows us to rationalise our actual or anticipated failures. [Although I never watched the show, it's my understanding that Dylan on Beverly Hills, 90210 is the person who first used the expression, "May the bridges I burn light the way". Rather glorious, no? Apparently he also came up with, "So you're Brandon's sister, huh?", but the latter was less popular on t-shirts.]That said, when being honest with myself, I do admit (not without embarrassment) sometimes caring about what others think of me. But I don't see this as a "problem". It comes down to distinctions: 1. With loved ones, people I'm close to, fond of, and/or respect, I often take into account what they might think. 2. With everyone else, including strangers on public message boards, it depends. For example, if I'm perceived to be aloof or an arrogant pr at, that is of minimal concern to me. But if I were seen as deceitful or petty, this would make me unhappy. Likewise if my comments were widely viewed to be unfair, ill-informed or poorly considered. ___________ While I made no reference to anybody being "insulted", I stand by my earlier statement about naivety. Before approaching someone like Max Ruiz with a commercial offer, it seems critical to first understand their motivations, and the strategies they're following with careers of artists like Pe jac. If Ruiz has time to respond to your email request, I am in no doubt he will decline, albeit politely. As for the issue of credibility, we seem to disagree. Which is perfectly fine. My own conviction is that it's difficult to overestimate the importance of art-world credibility — including as a private collector who's knowledgeable, exercises good judgement, and can be taken seriously. During interactions by collectors with artists and dealers, credibility can often be the difference between an open door and one that remains shut. |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by londonfx on Sept 6, 2017 23:45:03 GMT 1, I'm all for supporting charities. But I think that it would add an additional level of complexity.
In its simplistic form the easiest way to organise a commission is
1) find an artist willing to take on a group commission
2) get a rough idea of the run size the artist is happy with. The rough cost per print. Rough print details (screen print/ giclee/ original)
3) advertise the concept of the commission on the forum with the above details and gauge response
4) go back and forth with the artist and group to nail down a design and the above details
5) collect the money
6) post print when ready
There's obviously a lot more finer details and milestones than the other above. But that's a very rough guide to a commission
*** CAVIET this is just my experience and opinion ***
I'm all for supporting charities. But I think that it would add an additional level of complexity.
In its simplistic form the easiest way to organise a commission is
1) find an artist willing to take on a group commission
2) get a rough idea of the run size the artist is happy with. The rough cost per print. Rough print details (screen print/ giclee/ original)
3) advertise the concept of the commission on the forum with the above details and gauge response
4) go back and forth with the artist and group to nail down a design and the above details
5) collect the money
6) post print when ready
There's obviously a lot more finer details and milestones than the other above. But that's a very rough guide to a commission
*** CAVIET this is just my experience and opinion ***
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by graffuturism on Sept 7, 2017 0:28:02 GMT 1, I dont understand why this has to be done traditionally, this projects is perfect for Kickstarter if you are serious. If a print doesnt get funded people dont pay if it does your cards are charged and you get your prize.
Kickstarter usually charges 5% and charging credit cards another 3-5%. So account for this 8-10% fee to have the manage all the payments and management of people buying in. You can actually run multiple print runs this way with different artists all you need to do is get an image, a cost and set it up to get funded on this forum. Voila.
I dont understand why this has to be done traditionally, this projects is perfect for Kickstarter if you are serious. If a print doesnt get funded people dont pay if it does your cards are charged and you get your prize.
Kickstarter usually charges 5% and charging credit cards another 3-5%. So account for this 8-10% fee to have the manage all the payments and management of people buying in. You can actually run multiple print runs this way with different artists all you need to do is get an image, a cost and set it up to get funded on this forum. Voila.
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by caruso on Sept 7, 2017 11:09:26 GMT 1, I dont understand why this has to be done traditionally, this projects is perfect for Kickstarter if you are serious. If a print doesnt get funded people dont pay if it does your cards are charged and you get your prize. Kickstarter usually charges 5% and charging credit cards another 3-5%. So account for this 8-10% fee to have the manage all the payments and management of people buying in. You can actually run multiple print runs this way with different artists all you need to do is get an image, a cost and set it up to get funded on this forum. Voila.
I dont understand why this has to be done traditionally, this projects is perfect for Kickstarter if you are serious. If a print doesnt get funded people dont pay if it does your cards are charged and you get your prize. Kickstarter usually charges 5% and charging credit cards another 3-5%. So account for this 8-10% fee to have the manage all the payments and management of people buying in. You can actually run multiple print runs this way with different artists all you need to do is get an image, a cost and set it up to get funded on this forum. Voila. I thought about Kickstarter, great way to get rid of one of the main problems: money management. It also opens the projets to other people not just UAA, which I think is more fair to anybody appreciating a given artist. Also solves the problem of the final image - if some people do not like it they are still committed (at least once the project is officaly funded in full). Keep in mind though that Kickstarter is not open to charity projects, which is not a problem for me as I think the first project must not be rendered even more complex than it already is, but in response to previous posts from the righteous brothers. Charity aspect will come later if we succesfully manage to get a few commissions under our belt, but not for starters. Too complex imo. |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by oxfordwelshchap on Sept 7, 2017 14:58:31 GMT 1, So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by oxfordwelshchap on Sept 7, 2017 15:04:49 GMT 1, Well regarding time, it seemed to take approximately 30 seconds to ask. Although I am not yet that old, 30 seconds even to an aged type is not a vast amount of time. The problem is that some people seem to focus to closely on what others would think about them. I dont think anyone would be 'insulted' by a request to buy their work. Or 'naive' to ask. I think one could say its aloof and demeaning to those you think have no idea about how this works to make broad statements like that. As to credability - to whom and for what, we are not galleries or art dealers (in the main) why does supposed credability matter? All for the sake of discussion though! In relation to time, I was looking at this more as a matter of principle — that any time wastedregrettable. But your 30-seconds point is a fair one. The period you spent on this occasion was indeed very brief. And of course the same would be true with all the other artists I mentioned as examples. For each of those other cases, it would only be another 30 seconds spent. Or even less, if you're cutting and pasting from your initial email template. Following this logic, there would be little harm in also sending a message to Pest Control and asking whether Banksy would be interested. You never know. ___________ Regarding what others may think of me, since the age of 15 (when I knew everything) my knee-jerk response has been either (a) "Fuck them all" or (b) something close to that. Self-defeating behaviour can be irresistibly seductive. It allows us to rationalise our actual or anticipated failures. [Although I never watched the show, it's my understanding that Dylan on Beverly Hills, 90210 is the person who first used the expression, "May the bridges I burn light the way". Rather glorious, no? Apparently he also came up with, "So you're Brandon's sister, huh?", but the latter was less popular on t-shirts.]That said, when being honest with myself, I do admit (not without embarrassment) sometimes caring about what others think of me. But I don't see this as a "problem". It comes down to distinctions: 1. With loved ones, people I'm close to, fond of, and/or respect, I often take into account what they might think. 2. With everyone else, including strangers on public message boards, it depends. For example, if I'm perceived to be aloof or an arrogant pr at, that is of minimal concern to me. But if I were seen as deceitful or petty, this would make me unhappy. Likewise if my comments were widely viewed to be unfair, ill-informed or poorly considered. ___________ While I made no reference to anybody being "insulted", I stand by my earlier statement about naivety. Before approaching someone like Max Ruiz with a commercial offer, it seems critical to first understand their motivations, and the strategies they're following with careers of artists like Pe jac. If Ruiz has time to respond to your email request, I am in no doubt he will decline, albeit politely. As for the issue of credibility, we seem to disagree. Which is perfectly fine. My own conviction is that it's difficult to overestimate the importance of art-world credibility — including as a private collector who's knowledgeable, exercises good judgement, and can be taken seriously. During interactions by collectors with artists and dealers, credibility can often be the difference between an open door and one that remains shut.
Well regarding time, it seemed to take approximately 30 seconds to ask. Although I am not yet that old, 30 seconds even to an aged type is not a vast amount of time. The problem is that some people seem to focus to closely on what others would think about them. I dont think anyone would be 'insulted' by a request to buy their work. Or 'naive' to ask. I think one could say its aloof and demeaning to those you think have no idea about how this works to make broad statements like that. As to credability - to whom and for what, we are not galleries or art dealers (in the main) why does supposed credability matter? All for the sake of discussion though! In relation to time, I was looking at this more as a matter of principle — that any time wastedregrettable. But your 30-seconds point is a fair one. The period you spent on this occasion was indeed very brief. And of course the same would be true with all the other artists I mentioned as examples. For each of those other cases, it would only be another 30 seconds spent. Or even less, if you're cutting and pasting from your initial email template. Following this logic, there would be little harm in also sending a message to Pest Control and asking whether Banksy would be interested. You never know. ___________ Regarding what others may think of me, since the age of 15 (when I knew everything) my knee-jerk response has been either (a) "Fuck them all" or (b) something close to that. Self-defeating behaviour can be irresistibly seductive. It allows us to rationalise our actual or anticipated failures. [Although I never watched the show, it's my understanding that Dylan on Beverly Hills, 90210 is the person who first used the expression, "May the bridges I burn light the way". Rather glorious, no? Apparently he also came up with, "So you're Brandon's sister, huh?", but the latter was less popular on t-shirts.]That said, when being honest with myself, I do admit (not without embarrassment) sometimes caring about what others think of me. But I don't see this as a "problem". It comes down to distinctions: 1. With loved ones, people I'm close to, fond of, and/or respect, I often take into account what they might think. 2. With everyone else, including strangers on public message boards, it depends. For example, if I'm perceived to be aloof or an arrogant pr at, that is of minimal concern to me. But if I were seen as deceitful or petty, this would make me unhappy. Likewise if my comments were widely viewed to be unfair, ill-informed or poorly considered. ___________ While I made no reference to anybody being "insulted", I stand by my earlier statement about naivety. Before approaching someone like Max Ruiz with a commercial offer, it seems critical to first understand their motivations, and the strategies they're following with careers of artists like Pe jac. If Ruiz has time to respond to your email request, I am in no doubt he will decline, albeit politely. As for the issue of credibility, we seem to disagree. Which is perfectly fine. My own conviction is that it's difficult to overestimate the importance of art-world credibility — including as a private collector who's knowledgeable, exercises good judgement, and can be taken seriously. During interactions by collectors with artists and dealers, credibility can often be the difference between an open door and one that remains shut. So he did decline, politely. Looks like my unidentifiable email addresses credibility took an almighty hit. I take your point re why he wouldn't go for it but disagree on almost everything else, I guess I'm not a big player so it doesn't really matter if doors are shutting in the art market. I prefer to enjoy the street stuff anyways where bourgeoisie concepts like credibility mean jack shit! |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Flashback on Sept 7, 2017 15:10:50 GMT 1, So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream... Thanks for trying mate. |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by caruso on Sept 7, 2017 15:37:08 GMT 1, So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream... Thanks for trying Brother in Arts, and above all believing. |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by sonmi451 on Sept 7, 2017 18:39:07 GMT 1, So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream... nice of you to try... thank you! |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 18:42:21 GMT 1, So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream...
Will we now be having a vote on which artist? Maybe you could ask Daniel Silk to do one of his poll's so we could all vote
So unfortunately max said it's not for them. Was but a dream... Well done for giving it a go Will we now be having a vote on which artist? Maybe you could ask Daniel Silk to do one of his poll's so we could all vote |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2017 18:46:15 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens.
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by caruso on Sept 7, 2017 19:21:19 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens.
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. You know what else will be entertaining? To successfully commission the next big thing and see you pass. I'm actually looking forward to that. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Dive Jedi on Sept 7, 2017 19:23:48 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 20:00:32 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Well said |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by lorraballs on Sept 7, 2017 20:31:30 GMT 1, It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Well said
Really? I mean, really? Are you children? How did anyone with any life experience not know this was going to happen? 'Smashed dreams', ffs! Grow up.
It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Well said Really? I mean, really? Are you children? How did anyone with any life experience not know this was going to happen? 'Smashed dreams', ffs! Grow up. |
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Poster Bob
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September 2013
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2017 20:53:00 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. You know what else will be entertaining? To successfully commission the next big thing and see you pass. I'm actually looking forward to that. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.html
Keep on keeping on there Forest. I'm sure you'll get there in the end.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. You know what else will be entertaining? To successfully commission the next big thing and see you pass. I'm actually looking forward to that. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein You know what would be entertaining? You joining said print club and realizing it will turn into nothing; absolutely nothing as you and the rest of the coalition of the naive don't realize what a hassle it is to organize and how it is non-beneficial to any artist you'd be interested in. You know what else would be entertaining? The pathetic look on your face when you realize that just because you like someone's art doesn't mean you're entitled to anything from them. Do you know what else would be entertaining? Watching you read this article on how people who post profound quotes are of low intelligence: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.htmlKeep on keeping on there Forest. I'm sure you'll get there in the end. |
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Poster Bob
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September 2013
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2017 20:53:34 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Art lover? NO. Art profiteer? YES! |
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caruso
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August 2017
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by caruso on Sept 7, 2017 21:01:37 GMT 1, You know what else will be entertaining? To successfully commission the next big thing and see you pass. I'm actually looking forward to that. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein You know what would be entertaining? You joining said print club and realizing it will turn into nothing; absolutely nothing as you and the rest of the coalition of the naive don't realize what a hassle it is to organize and how it is non-beneficial to any artist you'd be interested in. You know what else would be entertaining? The pathetic look on your face when you realize that just because you like someone's art doesn't mean you're entitled to anything from them. Do you know what else would be entertaining? Watching you read this article on how people who post profound quotes are of low intelligence: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.htmlKeep on keeping on there Forest. I'm sure you'll get there in the end.
You know what else will be entertaining? To successfully commission the next big thing and see you pass. I'm actually looking forward to that. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Robert A. Heinlein You know what would be entertaining? You joining said print club and realizing it will turn into nothing; absolutely nothing as you and the rest of the coalition of the naive don't realize what a hassle it is to organize and how it is non-beneficial to any artist you'd be interested in. You know what else would be entertaining? The pathetic look on your face when you realize that just because you like someone's art doesn't mean you're entitled to anything from them. Do you know what else would be entertaining? Watching you read this article on how people who post profound quotes are of low intelligence: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.htmlKeep on keeping on there Forest. I'm sure you'll get there in the end. What a caricature of a man you make. |
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highflyer
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by highflyer on Sept 7, 2017 21:02:24 GMT 1, Really? I mean, really? Are you children? How did anyone with any life experience not know this was going to happen? 'Smashed dreams', ffs! Grow up.
"Are you children?"
From a guy/girl who's user name is Lorraballs, uses the acronym "ffs" and thinks adults can't have unrealistic dreams.
Hmmm...
Really? I mean, really? Are you children? How did anyone with any life experience not know this was going to happen? 'Smashed dreams', ffs! Grow up. "Are you children?" From a guy/girl who's user name is Lorraballs, uses the acronym "ffs" and thinks adults can't have unrealistic dreams. Hmmm... |
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highflyer
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July 2014
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by highflyer on Sept 7, 2017 21:08:45 GMT 1, It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Art lover? NO. Art profiteer? YES!
I've just rearranged Art profiteer and got "prat of thi yeer"
Almost, almost!
It's so cynical that an "art lover" is entertained by smashed dreams of others. Art lover? NO. Art profiteer? YES! I've just rearranged Art profiteer and got "prat of thi yeer" Almost, almost! |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by oxfordwelshchap on Sept 7, 2017 21:59:49 GMT 1, Art lover? NO. Art profiteer? YES! I've just rearranged Art profiteer and got "prat of thi yeer" Almost, almost!
Art lover? NO. Art profiteer? YES! I've just rearranged Art profiteer and got "prat of thi yeer" Almost, almost! Mate I quite like you. You say what you think with a touch of comedy... |
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by oxfordwelshchap on Sept 7, 2017 22:02:40 GMT 1, It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens.
It's so entertaining to see people's naive delusions smashed to smithereens. You on the other hand are just not funny. Iv never found you funny either. Funny people tend to have high IQs. You tend to like to get a rise out of people but iv seen before that you kind of like that. |
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RoboJ
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Collective commissioning of emerging artists?, by RoboJ on Sept 7, 2017 22:02:54 GMT 1, It doesn't have to be a single artist either. You could have different threads for the separate commission. In reality even a run of 10 prints isn't a problem for some people. Artists aren't necessarily in it for the money so the experience and the honour of being asked to create a commission would be gratefully recieved by most. You could speak to each prospective artist and ask what the minimum number would be for it to be worthwhile yet keeping a sensible price.
It doesn't have to be a single artist either. You could have different threads for the separate commission. In reality even a run of 10 prints isn't a problem for some people. Artists aren't necessarily in it for the money so the experience and the honour of being asked to create a commission would be gratefully recieved by most. You could speak to each prospective artist and ask what the minimum number would be for it to be worthwhile yet keeping a sensible price.
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