d.r. perseus
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by d.r. perseus on Sept 13, 2017 6:05:10 GMT 1, "Invader is now on another level - let's call it "banksy-esque"! Will his works be worth as much as Banksy's? Probably not, but who knows! "
But why is he on another level? His work is an appeal to nostalgia as many others and that without a street body of work (and that history), is not much different than a Sandra Chevrier.
"Invader is now on another level - let's call it "banksy-esque"! Will his works be worth as much as Banksy's? Probably not, but who knows! "
But why is he on another level? His work is an appeal to nostalgia as many others and that without a street body of work (and that history), is not much different than a Sandra Chevrier.
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nobokov
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by nobokov on Sept 13, 2017 6:32:41 GMT 1, Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color.
To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal...
All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing.
Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color.
To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal...
All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing.
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Reptile 072
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by Reptile 072 on Sept 13, 2017 7:23:05 GMT 1, I would personally choose LED over Scattercrow. Invader is literally a global artist. Doesn't matter where you go, there's a good chance that you'll come across one of his pieces in the wild. Pejac is relatively young in the scene. There are a few Pejac pieces that remind me of Paco Pomet's work from a subject matter perspective (i.e. our destructive impact on nature) but not executed as well, so I'm not a big fan of his work. Compare Rojo to Linea for example: it's not even close. Also, several of his prints (including Scattercrow) just have way too much white space for my liking. LED on the other hand is a much more vibrant/fun print to have on the wall. Of course, go with the image that resonates with you, but if you're concerned about investment, it's safer to go with an artist with a global reach and a long history in the scene versus a relative newcomer.
I would personally choose LED over Scattercrow. Invader is literally a global artist. Doesn't matter where you go, there's a good chance that you'll come across one of his pieces in the wild. Pejac is relatively young in the scene. There are a few Pejac pieces that remind me of Paco Pomet's work from a subject matter perspective (i.e. our destructive impact on nature) but not executed as well, so I'm not a big fan of his work. Compare Rojo to Linea for example: it's not even close. Also, several of his prints (including Scattercrow) just have way too much white space for my liking. LED on the other hand is a much more vibrant/fun print to have on the wall. Of course, go with the image that resonates with you, but if you're concerned about investment, it's safer to go with an artist with a global reach and a long history in the scene versus a relative newcomer.
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 13, 2017 7:33:15 GMT 1, Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color. To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal... All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing.
The question was from an investment point of view
Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color. To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal... All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing. The question was from an investment point of view
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by Cookiemonster on Sept 13, 2017 7:45:30 GMT 1, For Pejac to progress he needs a new agent/gallerist.
In response to op's question - Invader all day long.
For Pejac to progress he needs a new agent/gallerist.
In response to op's question - Invader all day long.
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nobokov
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by nobokov on Sept 13, 2017 7:48:45 GMT 1, Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color. To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal... All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing. The question was from an investment point of view I think that was one aspect of the original questions, but not the only question.
The investment question seems rhetorical when Invader's current hype levels greatly exceed Pejac's at the moment. Short term investment is Invader and likely longterm as well, unless Pejac can advertise himself beyond the UAA market. 50k IG followers are peanuts when only around 1200 people like his photos regularly. Seems like the past few months have been spent with pressed cardboard and canvas rather than in the streets. Invader seems to still be out on all fronts, getting his name out there, but that's likely easier for Invader since his work isn't reliant on deep concepts.
Between the two, I would prefer LED since it's smaller and easier to frame. Scattercrow is a bit bleak in its monochrome and I wouldn't have enjoyed it on my wall as much as I will with LED because of the size and lack of color. To me, LED is among his strongest prints, alongside RVE and Warning Invader. Beyond those three prints, I really don't see the appeal... All that said, I strongly prefer Pejac as an artist, but haven't liked any of his print releases due to their lack of color. With the white space, his prints seem unfinished. Like many stencil artists who release prints, I feel they focus too much on the stencil and neglect the entire print surface beyond the stenciled image. Pejac's creativity and ideas are inspiring and I love the environmental messages that are expressed, but I hope that he opts for print versions of either Decompression, Remote Control, or Bebop in the future, as they're more aesthetically pleasing. The question was from an investment point of view I think that was one aspect of the original questions, but not the only question. The investment question seems rhetorical when Invader's current hype levels greatly exceed Pejac's at the moment. Short term investment is Invader and likely longterm as well, unless Pejac can advertise himself beyond the UAA market. 50k IG followers are peanuts when only around 1200 people like his photos regularly. Seems like the past few months have been spent with pressed cardboard and canvas rather than in the streets. Invader seems to still be out on all fronts, getting his name out there, but that's likely easier for Invader since his work isn't reliant on deep concepts.
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nighthawk
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by nighthawk on Sept 13, 2017 9:26:02 GMT 1, "Invader is now on another level - let's call it "banksy-esque"! Will his works be worth as much as Banksy's? Probably not, but who knows! " But why is he on another level? His work is an appeal to nostalgia as many others and that without a street body of work (and that history), is not much different than a Sandra Chevrier.
Sorry, meant on a "financial" level. Didn't mean artisticly speaking. Artistically speaking he hasn't changed a whole lot from day one.
"Invader is now on another level - let's call it "banksy-esque"! Will his works be worth as much as Banksy's? Probably not, but who knows! " But why is he on another level? His work is an appeal to nostalgia as many others and that without a street body of work (and that history), is not much different than a Sandra Chevrier. Sorry, meant on a "financial" level. Didn't mean artisticly speaking. Artistically speaking he hasn't changed a whole lot from day one.
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by oxfordwelshchap on Sept 13, 2017 13:49:51 GMT 1, and what do people think from a vested interest point of view? Be really interesting to see opinions with ownership of invader's or pejac's work...
and what do people think from a vested interest point of view? Be really interesting to see opinions with ownership of invader's or pejac's work...
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Reptile 072
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by Reptile 072 on Sept 13, 2017 15:38:36 GMT 1, I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception.
I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception.
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natstan
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by natstan on Sept 13, 2017 15:59:10 GMT 1, Not from an investment. Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist and has next to no auction results at the moment. That's not to say that won't change. I don't love his work, I went to his show and thought it hit and miss. I can see why people like it - just not for me. He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB.
It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick.
Not from an investment. Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist and has next to no auction results at the moment. That's not to say that won't change. I don't love his work, I went to his show and thought it hit and miss. I can see why people like it - just not for me. He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB. It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick.
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 13, 2017 16:50:14 GMT 1, He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB. It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick.
It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other...
Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist"
Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB."
He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB. It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick. It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other... Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist" Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB."
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 13, 2017 16:50:57 GMT 1, I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception.
Linea?
I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception. Linea?
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natstan
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by natstan on Sept 13, 2017 17:00:48 GMT 1, It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick. It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other... Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist" Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB."
You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that.
It's funny you measure an artist's 'fame' by means of those numbers. To be honest, 52k is nothing in today's context really, if you are measuring popularity based on that yard stick. It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other... Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist" Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB." You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that.
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 13, 2017 17:04:53 GMT 1, It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other... Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist" Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB." You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that.
You're obviously clueless.
It's even funnier how you can't read two posts, even with one quoting the other... Post 1: "Outside this forum he almost doesn't exist" Response: "He has 52k+ followers on instagram and FB." You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that. You're obviously clueless.
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natstan
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by natstan on Sept 13, 2017 17:06:36 GMT 1, You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that. You're obviously clueless.
I know... that's what one will retort when he's got nothing of much value to say anymore. Well...
You are obviously clueless how you can increase follower numbers in a short period of time, if you want to do that. You're obviously clueless. I know... that's what one will retort when he's got nothing of much value to say anymore. Well...
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Reptile 072
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by Reptile 072 on Sept 13, 2017 17:25:11 GMT 1, I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception. Linea?
Ah, I figured someone would mention Linea. I just meant that for me, Meadow is the only one I like that makes good use of white. The others are much too sparse for my taste (Wound and Seppuku).
I own two Invaders, zero Pejacs. My opinions above would not change if I didn't own work from either artist. Pejac's prints just have an unfinished quality (i.e. the too much white space issue) that I can't get past. Meadow is the only exception. Linea? Ah, I figured someone would mention Linea. I just meant that for me, Meadow is the only one I like that makes good use of white. The others are much too sparse for my taste (Wound and Seppuku).
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 13, 2017 19:01:18 GMT 1, Ah, I figured someone would mention Linea. I just meant that for me, Meadow is the only one I like that makes good use of white. The others are much too sparse for my taste (Wound and Seppuku).
Yep can totally understand that. I've always championed more colour in his prints.
Ah, I figured someone would mention Linea. I just meant that for me, Meadow is the only one I like that makes good use of white. The others are much too sparse for my taste (Wound and Seppuku). Yep can totally understand that. I've always championed more colour in his prints.
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nighthawk
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by nighthawk on Sept 13, 2017 21:18:47 GMT 1, I'd say it's subjective with respect to the actual art. I collect both artists, and much prefer Pejac's works!! Owning an Invader for me, is like owning a piece of the street, if you know what I mean.
The only thing that really comes into play here, is Invader's legacy. He's getting his dues now, after decades of work. Whether you like his art or not, his prices will keep rising. Sort of like that other guy "B*ank.y". No, not exactly like him (everyone calm down), but I think he's definitely going to be held with a higher regard going forward.
Pejac is brand new. The fact that his paintings and prints have sold out like they have, is truly phenomenal for him. His management is smart, in that they keep the editions to once a year or so, and the run counts low! It bids well for him as an emerging artist, and I think more artists should follow suit. His popularity and following will only continue to grow, so to say that he is only know here (UAA), is a tad silly IMO.
I'd say it's subjective with respect to the actual art. I collect both artists, and much prefer Pejac's works!! Owning an Invader for me, is like owning a piece of the street, if you know what I mean.
The only thing that really comes into play here, is Invader's legacy. He's getting his dues now, after decades of work. Whether you like his art or not, his prices will keep rising. Sort of like that other guy "B*ank.y". No, not exactly like him (everyone calm down), but I think he's definitely going to be held with a higher regard going forward.
Pejac is brand new. The fact that his paintings and prints have sold out like they have, is truly phenomenal for him. His management is smart, in that they keep the editions to once a year or so, and the run counts low! It bids well for him as an emerging artist, and I think more artists should follow suit. His popularity and following will only continue to grow, so to say that he is only know here (UAA), is a tad silly IMO.
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nighthawk
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by nighthawk on Sept 13, 2017 21:29:35 GMT 1, I would personally choose LED over Scattercrow. Invader is literally a global artist. Doesn't matter where you go, there's a good chance that you'll come across one of his pieces in the wild. Pejac is relatively young in the scene. There are a few Pejac pieces that remind me of Paco Pomet's work from a subject matter perspective (i.e. our destructive impact on nature) but not executed as well, so I'm not a big fan of his work. Compare Rojo to Linea for example: it's not even close. Also, several of his prints (including Scattercrow) just have way too much white space for my liking. LED on the other hand is a much more vibrant/fun print to have on the wall. Of course, go with the image that resonates with you, but if you're concerned about investment, it's safer to go with an artist with a global reach and a long history in the scene versus a relative newcomer. I hear you about the comparison to Paco and Rojo, but personally, I much prefer Pejac's style and the fact that he uses "less" space. I find Paco's work a tad too busy at times, and too often, dark and depressing. Pejac on the other hand gets the message across with a much lighter tone, both on the street and with his works on paper. Then there's his canvases...we should really discuss those as well, as most have no white space at all and are quite outstanding! To be honest, you can't really compare his paintings to his prints.
I would personally choose LED over Scattercrow. Invader is literally a global artist. Doesn't matter where you go, there's a good chance that you'll come across one of his pieces in the wild. Pejac is relatively young in the scene. There are a few Pejac pieces that remind me of Paco Pomet's work from a subject matter perspective (i.e. our destructive impact on nature) but not executed as well, so I'm not a big fan of his work. Compare Rojo to Linea for example: it's not even close. Also, several of his prints (including Scattercrow) just have way too much white space for my liking. LED on the other hand is a much more vibrant/fun print to have on the wall. Of course, go with the image that resonates with you, but if you're concerned about investment, it's safer to go with an artist with a global reach and a long history in the scene versus a relative newcomer. I hear you about the comparison to Paco and Rojo, but personally, I much prefer Pejac's style and the fact that he uses "less" space. I find Paco's work a tad too busy at times, and too often, dark and depressing. Pejac on the other hand gets the message across with a much lighter tone, both on the street and with his works on paper. Then there's his canvases...we should really discuss those as well, as most have no white space at all and are quite outstanding! To be honest, you can't really compare his paintings to his prints.
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The Observer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by The Observer on Sept 14, 2017 5:55:47 GMT 1, I own Pejac work. Not invader,but only because I have not hit a drop. I like them both, but they are very different. It seems Pejac is going a different route. Not hitting the street these days,but building awareness through social media while focusing on developing creative indoor work, continually testing new mediums and challenging himself- Yet each work is distinctly,Pejac.
Invader is invader. A legend of the street art genre. Pejac...who knows? He used to be a stencil artist. Not anymore.
I own Pejac work. Not invader,but only because I have not hit a drop. I like them both, but they are very different. It seems Pejac is going a different route. Not hitting the street these days,but building awareness through social media while focusing on developing creative indoor work, continually testing new mediums and challenging himself- Yet each work is distinctly,Pejac.
Invader is invader. A legend of the street art genre. Pejac...who knows? He used to be a stencil artist. Not anymore.
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highflyer
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by highflyer on Sept 14, 2017 7:32:46 GMT 1, I own Pejac work. Not invader,but only because I have not hit a drop. I like them both, but they are very different. It seems Pejac is going a different route. Not hitting the street these days,but building awareness through social media while focusing on developing creative indoor work, continually testing new mediums and challenging himself- Yet each work is distinctly,Pejac. Invader is invader. A legend of the street art genre. Pejac...who knows? He used to be a stencil artist. Not anymore.
He never used to be a stencil artist.
I own Pejac work. Not invader,but only because I have not hit a drop. I like them both, but they are very different. It seems Pejac is going a different route. Not hitting the street these days,but building awareness through social media while focusing on developing creative indoor work, continually testing new mediums and challenging himself- Yet each work is distinctly,Pejac. Invader is invader. A legend of the street art genre. Pejac...who knows? He used to be a stencil artist. Not anymore. He never used to be a stencil artist.
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by pada1 on Sept 15, 2017 15:24:17 GMT 1, yes, more a pencil/brush artist. It's a shame he is having a pause from the street. That's where his Art talks the best!
yes, more a pencil/brush artist. It's a shame he is having a pause from the street. That's where his Art talks the best!
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docean
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by docean on Sept 17, 2017 11:55:27 GMT 1, I own neither so this is unbiased.
Pejac. Invader is today's Miscallef. All hype.
I own neither so this is unbiased.
Pejac. Invader is today's Miscallef. All hype.
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J0NNY
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by J0NNY on Sept 17, 2017 12:26:57 GMT 1, I own neither so this is unbiased. Pejac. Invader is today's Miscallef. All hype. Id say they were both all hype at the moment. At least Invader has history
I own neither so this is unbiased. Pejac. Invader is today's Miscallef. All hype. Id say they were both all hype at the moment. At least Invader has history
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Invader LED or Pejac Scattercrow ?, by streetartger on Sept 18, 2017 3:53:25 GMT 1, Yes, they are different styles but work out pretty good together in a room. Happy to own both. Personally, I don't like LED that much but of course tried my luck at the drop and missed it due to the first Sold Out sign and then straight gave up before it came available. But also funds were an issue... Scattercrow nearly 1.200โฌ And also Invader another 1250โฌ + framing for both.
Yes, they are different styles but work out pretty good together in a room. Happy to own both. Personally, I don't like LED that much but of course tried my luck at the drop and missed it due to the first Sold Out sign and then straight gave up before it came available. But also funds were an issue... Scattercrow nearly 1.200โฌ And also Invader another 1250โฌ + framing for both.
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