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Jan 30, 2021 17:01:00 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by The Italian One on Jan 30, 2021 17:01:00 GMT 1, Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Coinbase expensive but easy and secure
Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Coinbase expensive but easy and secure
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Jan 30, 2021 17:05:23 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by ADC on Jan 30, 2021 17:05:23 GMT 1, Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Coinbase expensive but easy and secure
Thanks, a few people have suggested Coinbase. I assume their fees are higher than others?
Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Coinbase expensive but easy and secure Thanks, a few people have suggested Coinbase. I assume their fees are higher than others?
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Jan 30, 2021 18:09:46 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by spanksy on Jan 30, 2021 18:09:46 GMT 1, I’ll trade a signed banksy for 5 btc
I’ll trade a signed banksy for 5 btc
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Feb 9, 2021 1:16:04 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by vad77 on Feb 9, 2021 1:16:04 GMT 1, If someone didn't buy a batcoin yet, there is your chance!
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284177540078
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Bitcoin, by jimbofatz on Feb 9, 2021 17:43:39 GMT 1, If youve been alive and aware of both Banksy and Bitcoin and dont have a bunch of money in your boot, you should take more risks in this life.
Go marry your live in girlfriend if youre over 30.
If youve been alive and aware of both Banksy and Bitcoin and dont have a bunch of money in your boot, you should take more risks in this life.
Go marry your live in girlfriend if youre over 30.
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Feb 9, 2021 22:57:30 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by Wanchope on Feb 9, 2021 22:57:30 GMT 1, I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease??
I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them
Peace out
I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease??
I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them
Peace out
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Feb 9, 2021 23:05:55 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by theclash on Feb 9, 2021 23:05:55 GMT 1, Missed the boat man! Still, the market is increasing. So much money around NFTs and their currency is ETH so....
Agree, not a good time to jump in if not involved. Pricing in a lot. Better inflation hedges if that is what you want; startups are my game but would go with platinum if you want a traditional hard asset. Store of value with a nice battery upside tail.
Actually given you are on this forum just buy Banksy
Missed the boat man! Still, the market is increasing. So much money around NFTs and their currency is ETH so.... Agree, not a good time to jump in if not involved. Pricing in a lot. Better inflation hedges if that is what you want; startups are my game but would go with platinum if you want a traditional hard asset. Store of value with a nice battery upside tail. Actually given you are on this forum just buy Banksy
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Bitcoin, by startimeash on Feb 9, 2021 23:43:34 GMT 1, XRP is still worth a punt, as is TRN. Both making good gains this past couple of weeks, and personally I think they both have a lot of headroom to grow. But don’t throw your life savings in. I sold my BTC at £100, so seeing the price now is a killer, but at the time I needed the money and it was a massive boost on what I paid. Holding XRP and TRN for the long haul now, in the knowledge that they may end up worth sod all.
XRP is still worth a punt, as is TRN. Both making good gains this past couple of weeks, and personally I think they both have a lot of headroom to grow. But don’t throw your life savings in. I sold my BTC at £100, so seeing the price now is a killer, but at the time I needed the money and it was a massive boost on what I paid. Holding XRP and TRN for the long haul now, in the knowledge that they may end up worth sod all.
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Feb 10, 2021 10:37:35 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by The Italian One on Feb 10, 2021 10:37:35 GMT 1, -more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC
= BTC is going to be huge
-more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC
= BTC is going to be huge
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Feb 10, 2021 11:35:44 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by Cool User Name on Feb 10, 2021 11:35:44 GMT 1, I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease?? I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them Peace out Seeing as we have just seen Tesla , Square and MicroStrategy put billions of $ into Bitcoin i don't think the price is going to drop much any time soon. There are rumours that other big companies are doing the same - Apple and Oracle are two i have heard mentioned that might announce soon.
Going by the lengths of previous post Bitcoin halving bull market cycles this one should continue for most of the year although there will be several significant dips along the way like the one we just saw in January.
What's also different this time is the enormous amount of central bank money printing going on. I understand that after the latest US stimulus the USD supply will have increased by around 40% in under a year. Money left sitting in fiat is losing value at a rapid pace.
I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease?? I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them Peace out Seeing as we have just seen Tesla , Square and MicroStrategy put billions of $ into Bitcoin i don't think the price is going to drop much any time soon. There are rumours that other big companies are doing the same - Apple and Oracle are two i have heard mentioned that might announce soon. Going by the lengths of previous post Bitcoin halving bull market cycles this one should continue for most of the year although there will be several significant dips along the way like the one we just saw in January. What's also different this time is the enormous amount of central bank money printing going on. I understand that after the latest US stimulus the USD supply will have increased by around 40% in under a year. Money left sitting in fiat is losing value at a rapid pace.
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Feb 10, 2021 11:45:06 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by Lord Lucas Roham on Feb 10, 2021 11:45:06 GMT 1, -more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use.
Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start.
The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it.
It's still very much a casino for a lot of people.
-more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people.
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Feb 10, 2021 12:14:43 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by Cool User Name on Feb 10, 2021 12:14:43 GMT 1, -more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. The narrative for bitcoin has changed from being a currency that you use to make everyday purchases (although there are layer 2 solutions for this) to a store of value, gold 2.0 - fixed 21 million supply on a decreasing emision schedule, easier to store, subdivide and transfer around the world. Thats whats attracting corporate treasury money in driving the price up.
It is also much easier to get in now, you can even buy it in the PayPal app itself in the US.
-more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. The narrative for bitcoin has changed from being a currency that you use to make everyday purchases (although there are layer 2 solutions for this) to a store of value, gold 2.0 - fixed 21 million supply on a decreasing emision schedule, easier to store, subdivide and transfer around the world. Thats whats attracting corporate treasury money in driving the price up. It is also much easier to get in now, you can even buy it in the PayPal app itself in the US.
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Feb 10, 2021 18:38:41 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by Sliding on the Walls on Feb 10, 2021 18:38:41 GMT 1, All those people who initially slated it will eat their words.
The sentiment evolves from opposition to indifference to acceptance to enthusiasm.
It's always a bubble until you hold some.
All those people who initially slated it will eat their words.
The sentiment evolves from opposition to indifference to acceptance to enthusiasm.
It's always a bubble until you hold some.
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Feb 10, 2021 20:24:19 GMT 1
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Bitcoin, by Big Bad Mo on Feb 10, 2021 20:24:19 GMT 1, I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease?? I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them Peace out
Dollar cost average in if you have a long time horizon. You can do it weekly, monthly (watch out for fees)or just buy it when it goes below a set moving average. I would ignore the other coins people have mentioned until you have done some research and have some understanding of them. They are mostly useless but good for earning some more bitcoin , sometimes. I think this bull run has a bit to go yet. Equally my mother started asking me about it and I’ve seen it on the news a lot lately so I’m thinking it also feels a bit like a top. Up until 2 days ago pretty much everyone who has ever bought and hasn’t sold is net positive. No need to be too bearish yet.
I know I’m not going to get a great answer to the following as it’s such a broad question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. Do any crypto boys and girls think it’s worth stepping into the market to purchase right now as a first timer. I have always liked to spread my investments and with art I get to enjoy it too! Crypto has taken me a long time to try and get my head around it and even mow I don’t fully understand it. However I can’t ignore the way ethereum and Bitcoin have shot up. The question is have I missed the boat for now and will prices decrease?? I am now prepared to take a beating, but if there are any pearls of wisdom from any members I would love to hear them Peace out Dollar cost average in if you have a long time horizon. You can do it weekly, monthly (watch out for fees)or just buy it when it goes below a set moving average. I would ignore the other coins people have mentioned until you have done some research and have some understanding of them. They are mostly useless but good for earning some more bitcoin , sometimes. I think this bull run has a bit to go yet. Equally my mother started asking me about it and I’ve seen it on the news a lot lately so I’m thinking it also feels a bit like a top. Up until 2 days ago pretty much everyone who has ever bought and hasn’t sold is net positive. No need to be too bearish yet.
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Feb 10, 2021 20:48:34 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by slevin on Feb 10, 2021 20:48:34 GMT 1, Worth looking into Litecoin too. It's billed as the silver to Bitcoin's gold. Faster transaction speeds than BTC so serves as a a better method of payment.
Worth looking into Litecoin too. It's billed as the silver to Bitcoin's gold. Faster transaction speeds than BTC so serves as a a better method of payment.
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Bitcoin, by Wanchope on Feb 10, 2021 21:56:15 GMT 1, -more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. but I thought if you use coinbase for instance and had you wallet set up that I could transfer say £5,000 into it and if I ever wanted to take it out say in 2 years when hopefully it is worth more, that I could simply transfer it out of the wallet and back into my uk personal bank acct - is this not the case as that part sounded simple enough to me I guess?
-more nad more people are likely to use BTC. -There is a limited amount of BTC = BTC is going to be huge I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. but I thought if you use coinbase for instance and had you wallet set up that I could transfer say £5,000 into it and if I ever wanted to take it out say in 2 years when hopefully it is worth more, that I could simply transfer it out of the wallet and back into my uk personal bank acct - is this not the case as that part sounded simple enough to me I guess?
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Bitcoin, by Cool User Name on Feb 11, 2021 9:18:01 GMT 1, I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. but I thought if you use coinbase for instance and had you wallet set up that I could transfer say £5,000 into it and if I ever wanted to take it out say in 2 years when hopefully it is worth more, that I could simply transfer it out of the wallet and back into my uk personal bank acct - is this not the case as that part sounded simple enough to me I guess? That's correct. There's no need to go down the self custody route really if your using one of the major exchanges. It used to be a must to take your crypto out in the early days when exchanges were hacked or disappeared overnight on a regular basis.
I own some crypto but the worrying thing for me is that despite the rise in price in Bitcoin over the last few years it's still not become anymore accessible to buy, sell or use. Its being reported on and discussed in the mainstream press nearly every day however you need to be fairly technical to actually buy it. Many people don't know where to start. The concepts of wallets etc. aren't easy to grasp and very few businesses outside of drugs and arms dealers actually accept it. It's still very much a casino for a lot of people. but I thought if you use coinbase for instance and had you wallet set up that I could transfer say £5,000 into it and if I ever wanted to take it out say in 2 years when hopefully it is worth more, that I could simply transfer it out of the wallet and back into my uk personal bank acct - is this not the case as that part sounded simple enough to me I guess? That's correct. There's no need to go down the self custody route really if your using one of the major exchanges. It used to be a must to take your crypto out in the early days when exchanges were hacked or disappeared overnight on a regular basis.
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Bitcoin, by Carl Cashman Art on Feb 11, 2021 10:41:43 GMT 1, Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Binance has lower fees than coincase i think
Looking to purchase some cryptocurrency, what is the best platform to use for someone in the UK? Ideally looking for something quite simple to use! Binance has lower fees than coincase i think
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Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on Mar 10, 2021 14:28:56 GMT 1, Yup looks like another round of stimulus checks are going to be sent out in the US.
How much is the price of Bitcoin related to US stimulus checks? If you look at the recent timeline it seems Bitcoin price is really relying on US stimulus checks. There might be a massive correction once these stimulus checks stop being sent out.
Yup looks like another round of stimulus checks are going to be sent out in the US.
How much is the price of Bitcoin related to US stimulus checks? If you look at the recent timeline it seems Bitcoin price is really relying on US stimulus checks. There might be a massive correction once these stimulus checks stop being sent out.
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Mar 10, 2021 14:59:05 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on Mar 10, 2021 14:59:05 GMT 1, Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home.
Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them.
Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home.
Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them.
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Mar 10, 2021 16:24:21 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by Cool User Name on Mar 10, 2021 16:24:21 GMT 1, Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home. Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them. So when this happens where does all the money flow? i'm not saying that there won't be another 80% bitcoin crash but i think there's a strong argument to say it could do well in this scenario
Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home. Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them. So when this happens where does all the money flow? i'm not saying that there won't be another 80% bitcoin crash but i think there's a strong argument to say it could do well in this scenario
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Mar 10, 2021 17:13:23 GMT 1
Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on Mar 10, 2021 17:13:23 GMT 1, Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home. Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them. So when this happens where does all the money flow? i'm not saying that there won't be another 80% bitcoin crash but i think there's a strong argument to say it could do well in this scenario Back to "normal" day life. Going out to restaurants, bars on weekends, movies, concerts, family traveling (gas, airplane tixs, hotels and whatnot)... Once schools open again you will have to buy uniforms, kids items and other things. Many people saved a lot this year actually and while at home put money into investments like stocks, bitcoin and home improvements.
Also, rent in many expensive cities like NYC, SF dropped significantly this past year. Many people saved, went back to their family homes or rent of their apartment dropped 30% or didn't have to pay rent this year due to covid related unemployment. If/when these rents come back then money will flow out towards living expenses as well. When life returns then investments and personal money will flow to other things and "normal living" everyday expenses again.
Who knows maybe after this next stimulus check by the US government it might be wise to take out at least 25-35% of your crypto earnings. There might be a 40-60% correction after this next check.
I don't think US can afford another round of stimulus checks and that the vaccine is now be distributed much more around the world. This is the time, maybe, to get ready to take any profits out during this boom for some of these fields that exploded during this pandemic.
Between stores/restaurants/companies offing off-the-books part-time jobs during pandemic, while employees were also collecting unemployment checks and now three stimulus checks; the next one being the largest of the three... Also, the world was closed so people couldn't spend money on travel, which they did every year. I know a lot of people in US who actually had a pretty fantastic financial year. I'm guessing, a lot of the extra cash is going into the stock market, things like Bitcoin and home improvements (Banksy/some art); which are all things people can do right now while they are at home. Once these stimulus checks stop, people start doing family trips and unemployment checks stops. Investments might change and there might corrections in many of these fields that have boomed during the pandemic - bitcoin being one of them. So when this happens where does all the money flow? i'm not saying that there won't be another 80% bitcoin crash but i think there's a strong argument to say it could do well in this scenario Back to "normal" day life. Going out to restaurants, bars on weekends, movies, concerts, family traveling (gas, airplane tixs, hotels and whatnot)... Once schools open again you will have to buy uniforms, kids items and other things. Many people saved a lot this year actually and while at home put money into investments like stocks, bitcoin and home improvements. Also, rent in many expensive cities like NYC, SF dropped significantly this past year. Many people saved, went back to their family homes or rent of their apartment dropped 30% or didn't have to pay rent this year due to covid related unemployment. If/when these rents come back then money will flow out towards living expenses as well. When life returns then investments and personal money will flow to other things and "normal living" everyday expenses again. Who knows maybe after this next stimulus check by the US government it might be wise to take out at least 25-35% of your crypto earnings. There might be a 40-60% correction after this next check. I don't think US can afford another round of stimulus checks and that the vaccine is now be distributed much more around the world. This is the time, maybe, to get ready to take any profits out during this boom for some of these fields that exploded during this pandemic.
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Bitcoin, by galaxy01 on Apr 1, 2021 12:23:27 GMT 1, I have a small amount of crypto from having a play around with it, and I am working with an artist to set up some time releases of his hand drawn but digital (via means of graphics tablet) art on OpenSea in the form of NFTs (I don't like the whole NFT hype, but if an artist can profit from it, let him )
But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services..
So, that means crypto in it's current form can never be used as an absolute currency, meaning it has to run alongside FIAT currencies. And as long as it does that, people are buying it for INVESTMENT and not for it's true use. Not many people out there are buying Crypto for the right reasons, they buy it because the values are still going up, and in some cases more so than any stocks and shares are capable of doing.
Now, for companies to accept Crypto as a currency, considering they live in the FIAT currency economy, Crypto currencies NEED to stabalise. Some companies are preparing to take Bitcoin, Paypal for example is, but it will pay out right away - like crypto exchanges. But companies like Tesla are pocketing the Bitcoin if they sell a car, so to avoid the volatility on their end, cars would be priced in dollars still, but you pay with the equivilent BTC value. Elon Musk has too much money to gamble with so he can take the risk that if I pay him $120,000 for a Tesla as 2BTC, and if BTC drops 10% the next day he has lost a sizable chunk of money overnight. On the flipside, he could make a lot post-sale if the price goes up. BUT for smaller companies and wider accepting of BTC it needs to be a lot more stable.
If BTC was more stable, going up or down 0.3% a day, investors would very quickly move on, that is a VAST amount of BTC being sold off as it is no longer earning those people extra value, the price of BTC will crash and all those companies who accepted it suffer major losses.
So there is a massive catch22 here, or a game of Chicken to some extent. The currency needs to stabalise to become dependable for businesses to trade in, but when that happens investors move on and the price crashes, but that makes it instantly unstable again, so why would businesses jump on board to start with... it depends a MONUMENTOUS amount on the crypto community supporting the benefits of the system rather than humping and dumping Bitcoin for the profit.
What IS GOOD is the BLOCKCHAIN - that is the revelation here and that is what needs to work and be adopted, but people just see it as Bitcoin on the blockchain and don't even comprehend the power the blockchain has to revolutionise so much. I am 100% for Blockchain apps and the next iteration of the Web being powered by the blockchain, but 100% believe Crypto is going to fail as fast as the hype took it off.
I have a small amount of crypto from having a play around with it, and I am working with an artist to set up some time releases of his hand drawn but digital (via means of graphics tablet) art on OpenSea in the form of NFTs (I don't like the whole NFT hype, but if an artist can profit from it, let him ) But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services.. So, that means crypto in it's current form can never be used as an absolute currency, meaning it has to run alongside FIAT currencies. And as long as it does that, people are buying it for INVESTMENT and not for it's true use. Not many people out there are buying Crypto for the right reasons, they buy it because the values are still going up, and in some cases more so than any stocks and shares are capable of doing. Now, for companies to accept Crypto as a currency, considering they live in the FIAT currency economy, Crypto currencies NEED to stabalise. Some companies are preparing to take Bitcoin, Paypal for example is, but it will pay out right away - like crypto exchanges. But companies like Tesla are pocketing the Bitcoin if they sell a car, so to avoid the volatility on their end, cars would be priced in dollars still, but you pay with the equivilent BTC value. Elon Musk has too much money to gamble with so he can take the risk that if I pay him $120,000 for a Tesla as 2BTC, and if BTC drops 10% the next day he has lost a sizable chunk of money overnight. On the flipside, he could make a lot post-sale if the price goes up. BUT for smaller companies and wider accepting of BTC it needs to be a lot more stable. If BTC was more stable, going up or down 0.3% a day, investors would very quickly move on, that is a VAST amount of BTC being sold off as it is no longer earning those people extra value, the price of BTC will crash and all those companies who accepted it suffer major losses. So there is a massive catch22 here, or a game of Chicken to some extent. The currency needs to stabalise to become dependable for businesses to trade in, but when that happens investors move on and the price crashes, but that makes it instantly unstable again, so why would businesses jump on board to start with... it depends a MONUMENTOUS amount on the crypto community supporting the benefits of the system rather than humping and dumping Bitcoin for the profit. What IS GOOD is the BLOCKCHAIN - that is the revelation here and that is what needs to work and be adopted, but people just see it as Bitcoin on the blockchain and don't even comprehend the power the blockchain has to revolutionise so much. I am 100% for Blockchain apps and the next iteration of the Web being powered by the blockchain, but 100% believe Crypto is going to fail as fast as the hype took it off.
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Bitcoin, by NYart on Apr 1, 2021 12:39:45 GMT 1, ]But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services..
I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”.
]But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services.. I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”.
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Bitcoin, by galaxy01 on Apr 1, 2021 14:14:00 GMT 1, ]But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services.. I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”.
Thats the dream...
But you still need police else you get unrest, what if 1 country builds an army, would be horrendous then if everyone else dropped them. But thats another conversation entirely 😅
As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person.
And by the basis of blockchain, anyone can view anyone elses wallet at any time. It’s how transactions can be made. So you now have a money system where anyone can see how much money anyone has. Some won't care but some will.
What that means is that companies can accurately means test everything they sell you at point of sale. Insurance could just triple the price because they know you have more money as an example. To prevent that would require some regulation in law, but you can't regulate everyone easily. But in other cases you can easily prove you have money for a mortgage deposit as one example.
You get zero interest on the blockchain, at least banks pay interest. You would still pay interest on any borrowed money though for sure. You could earn interest by mining in a pool, but then thats no different than putting money in a savings account or a fund today.
Then you have the gas fees to mine blocks, either by PoW or PoS there is a fee. So everytime you pay someone you pay a fee to someone else (The company could cover it like they do for visa/mastercard etc). Imagine miners are the VISA of crypto, they take a fee to process transactions for you. But you cannot avoid that fee, there is no cash, no free bank transfers. Every payment has a fee.
You then also assume society is stable enough to cope, we certainly are not. It is a long way off, and if all the problems with it can be solved then wonderful, I control my money fully, but many years from that just yet
]But in general, people often look at Bitcoin and think it is this great wonderful thing, decentralised money, no control by banks/governments - all sounds ideal. Those really keen on that aspect have a dream all money goes that way, rendering Taxing a nightmare, meaning governments get less money, some say "great" to that, but then who pays to repair their roads, who pays their firemen and army etc.. you can't have a world run by privately owned armies and emergency services.. I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”. Thats the dream... But you still need police else you get unrest, what if 1 country builds an army, would be horrendous then if everyone else dropped them. But thats another conversation entirely 😅 As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person. And by the basis of blockchain, anyone can view anyone elses wallet at any time. It’s how transactions can be made. So you now have a money system where anyone can see how much money anyone has. Some won't care but some will. What that means is that companies can accurately means test everything they sell you at point of sale. Insurance could just triple the price because they know you have more money as an example. To prevent that would require some regulation in law, but you can't regulate everyone easily. But in other cases you can easily prove you have money for a mortgage deposit as one example. You get zero interest on the blockchain, at least banks pay interest. You would still pay interest on any borrowed money though for sure. You could earn interest by mining in a pool, but then thats no different than putting money in a savings account or a fund today. Then you have the gas fees to mine blocks, either by PoW or PoS there is a fee. So everytime you pay someone you pay a fee to someone else (The company could cover it like they do for visa/mastercard etc). Imagine miners are the VISA of crypto, they take a fee to process transactions for you. But you cannot avoid that fee, there is no cash, no free bank transfers. Every payment has a fee. You then also assume society is stable enough to cope, we certainly are not. It is a long way off, and if all the problems with it can be solved then wonderful, I control my money fully, but many years from that just yet
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Bitcoin, by galaxy01 on Apr 1, 2021 14:36:56 GMT 1, And by the basis of blockchain, anyone can view anyone elses wallet at any time. It’s how transactions can be made. So you now have a money system where anyone can see how much money anyone has. Some won't care but some will. This isn't quite right for various reasons. While anyone can see the balance and history of an address, if I do not know all of your current addresses then I cannot begin to determine how much money you have. If you are using a single address, or you are not treating your addresses as single-use, you should consider changing your approach.
Wrong, you only need 1 address or 1 known transaction. as soon as someone pays you, you can see their address. When you pay Amazon for a book you can follow that to their wallet and any wallet connected to it by any historical transaction. You may not know who owns each one but you know which is Amazons (or one of theirs) and can follow the money somewhat.
And yes you could have 100 wallets and use one for payments and move it to a lesser known ”savings” wallet, but as above, you have a link by transactions between them so easy to see what wallets regularly transact. You would have to have many wallets and not transact between them to hide any money.
And by the basis of blockchain, anyone can view anyone elses wallet at any time. It’s how transactions can be made. So you now have a money system where anyone can see how much money anyone has. Some won't care but some will. This isn't quite right for various reasons. While anyone can see the balance and history of an address, if I do not know all of your current addresses then I cannot begin to determine how much money you have. If you are using a single address, or you are not treating your addresses as single-use, you should consider changing your approach. Wrong, you only need 1 address or 1 known transaction. as soon as someone pays you, you can see their address. When you pay Amazon for a book you can follow that to their wallet and any wallet connected to it by any historical transaction. You may not know who owns each one but you know which is Amazons (or one of theirs) and can follow the money somewhat. And yes you could have 100 wallets and use one for payments and move it to a lesser known ”savings” wallet, but as above, you have a link by transactions between them so easy to see what wallets regularly transact. You would have to have many wallets and not transact between them to hide any money.
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Bitcoin, by NYart on Apr 1, 2021 15:49:07 GMT 1, I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”. As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person.
I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains.
I see your argument, but the governments really wouldn’t get to the point of being unable to support essential services such as infrastructure and emergency services. The army’s only necessary because other countries have armies. If no country could afford them because of Bitcoin depleting tax revenue I believe we’d have achieved world peace - thanks BTC. But to my argument there certainly are many ways one can tax evade using crypto but it’s not complete. Even if we reach the point where employers are paying wages in Bitcoin, they’re still reporting the paid wages, employees still need to file income taxes. Companies are still required to pay taxes on their earnings. It’s easier to hide and falsify but you can’t avoid them all together. In my ideal scenario it would force governments to get more fiscally responsible and cut down on waste. They could and should prioritize essentials if unable to raise the revenue they “need”. As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person. I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains.
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Bitcoin, by galaxy01 on Apr 1, 2021 18:40:39 GMT 1, As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person. I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains.
It wouldn't be required, but if your salary goes in there directly anyone can just say they're unemployed and pay no taxes, so I would imagine it would become a requirement by go, although any business could tell hmrc where they pay the money to and who owns it. It's also illegal to hold large sums of cash privately for that very reason so the point of cash being the same is not fully true. I am in the UK so no idea what a W2 is, employment tax here goes via PAYE and the employer pays it. But for example I am self employed so self assessed for tax, I could declare 30k income but pay myself 100k, unless Revenue want to audit a small 1 man.
Typing that out I realise that all applies anyway, could just do the same now 🤔🤫
As for coin... if the world ran on crypto coins alone then to tax people each wallet would require proof of ownership by some form of ID so every wallet can be linked to a person. I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains. It wouldn't be required, but if your salary goes in there directly anyone can just say they're unemployed and pay no taxes, so I would imagine it would become a requirement by go, although any business could tell hmrc where they pay the money to and who owns it. It's also illegal to hold large sums of cash privately for that very reason so the point of cash being the same is not fully true. I am in the UK so no idea what a W2 is, employment tax here goes via PAYE and the employer pays it. But for example I am self employed so self assessed for tax, I could declare 30k income but pay myself 100k, unless Revenue want to audit a small 1 man. Typing that out I realise that all applies anyway, could just do the same now 🤔🤫
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Bitcoin, by NYart on Apr 1, 2021 18:49:34 GMT 1, I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains. It wouldn't be required, but if your salary goes in there directly anyone can just say they're unemployed and pay no taxes, so I would imagine it would become a requirement by go, although any business could tell hmrc where they pay the money to and who owns it. It's also illegal to hold large sums of cash privately for that very reason so the point of cash being the same is not fully true. I am in the UK so no idea what a W2 is, employment tax here goes via PAYE and the employer pays it. But for example I am self employed so self assessed for tax, I could declare 30k income but pay myself 100k, unless Revenue want to audit a small 1 man. Typing that out I realise that all applies anyway, could just do the same now 🤔🤫
Yeah in the US with the W-2 I mentioned it’s our end of year basically summary of how much we made, how much was withheld for various taxes and reasons. Employers send a copy to the government and a copy to us. So they know how much were making and from whom. Wouldn’t be any reason that system would change if our currency did. So it’s not like income tax for your average employed individual would be evadable just because were paid in crypto. But yeah I can’t think of a specific way someone could tax evade via crypto where they absolutely couldn’t with cash.. I think they’d be more successful, but I don’t think it would completely cripple essential services.
I don’t really see why it be necessary to know who owns what wallet? As is cash is exchanged freely without any oversight, the government expects that we claim cash transactions and pay due taxes. They’d still require businesses to collect sales tax, businesses to file taxes, individuals to file income taxes. You can’t hide your income if your employer files a W-2 on your behalf, USD or BTC it’s doesn’t change it. The only thing that changes in terms of them collecting taxes is it’s more difficult to hunt down people for things like capital gains. It wouldn't be required, but if your salary goes in there directly anyone can just say they're unemployed and pay no taxes, so I would imagine it would become a requirement by go, although any business could tell hmrc where they pay the money to and who owns it. It's also illegal to hold large sums of cash privately for that very reason so the point of cash being the same is not fully true. I am in the UK so no idea what a W2 is, employment tax here goes via PAYE and the employer pays it. But for example I am self employed so self assessed for tax, I could declare 30k income but pay myself 100k, unless Revenue want to audit a small 1 man. Typing that out I realise that all applies anyway, could just do the same now 🤔🤫 Yeah in the US with the W-2 I mentioned it’s our end of year basically summary of how much we made, how much was withheld for various taxes and reasons. Employers send a copy to the government and a copy to us. So they know how much were making and from whom. Wouldn’t be any reason that system would change if our currency did. So it’s not like income tax for your average employed individual would be evadable just because were paid in crypto. But yeah I can’t think of a specific way someone could tax evade via crypto where they absolutely couldn’t with cash.. I think they’d be more successful, but I don’t think it would completely cripple essential services.
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