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Bitcoin, by Warm Gun on Apr 28, 2021 11:19:38 GMT 1, Interesting read going over this thread with todays eyes. Some fantastic early insight on some topics which are very relevant today (NFT projects) and some hugely bad predictions about the future value of Bitcoin and other crypto (even by some members who trade for a living). Guess very few could really predict just how much crypto currencies would take off as a worthy investment. It seems to be getting bigger by the day but I feel it's still a great time to get in on the action.
Interesting read going over this thread with todays eyes. Some fantastic early insight on some topics which are very relevant today (NFT projects) and some hugely bad predictions about the future value of Bitcoin and other crypto (even by some members who trade for a living). Guess very few could really predict just how much crypto currencies would take off as a worthy investment. It seems to be getting bigger by the day but I feel it's still a great time to get in on the action.
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Bitcoin, by Chris JL on May 21, 2021 21:02:27 GMT 1, How do they know if it's illicit or legit?
With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume.
You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.com
How do they know if it's illicit or legit? With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume. You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.com |
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Bitcoin, by GMA on May 22, 2021 18:32:14 GMT 1, How do they know if it's illicit or legit? With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume. You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.com
From what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it.
How do they know if it's illicit or legit? With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume. You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.comFrom what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it. |
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Bitcoin, by Chris JL on May 22, 2021 20:09:41 GMT 1, With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume. You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.comFrom what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it.
I understand where you come from. That’s fine. Some people even believe that the world is flat (re accuracy the above is an underestimate of the illicit volume - but I already explained it to no avail). Bye 👋
With hard work. Painful tracing to various criminal groups, so missing e.g. the little scum tax evader flipping prints or minor dealing - hence, that’s a conservative estimate. What facilitates things a bit, apparently, is that illicit groups tend to cluster on a subset of OTC brokers that do a very large fraction of the illicit total volume. You can have a divulgative explanation (or go to the 113 page full report and methodology) here: blog.chainalysis.comFrom what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it. I understand where you come from. That’s fine. Some people even believe that the world is flat (re accuracy the above is an underestimate of the illicit volume - but I already explained it to no avail). Bye 👋 |
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Bitcoin, by Sebastian Dusseldorf on May 23, 2021 8:41:39 GMT 1, Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency?
I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are).
So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy.
So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail?
For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term.
Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency?
I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are).
So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy.
So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail?
For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term.
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Bitcoin, by Javier on May 23, 2021 10:31:41 GMT 1, Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency? I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are). So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy. So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail? For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term.
The chicken bubble is about to explode. Soon you’ll be able to get your carriage fixed for 2,5-3 chickens
(About crypto currency you shouldn’t forget two important things besides its value: greed and gamble. Soon I’ll be in too)
Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency? I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are). So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy. So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail? For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term. The chicken bubble is about to explode. Soon you’ll be able to get your carriage fixed for 2,5-3 chickens (About crypto currency you shouldn’t forget two important things besides its value: greed and gamble. Soon I’ll be in too) |
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Bitcoin, by GMA on May 24, 2021 7:52:37 GMT 1, From what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it. I understand where you come from. That’s fine. Some people even believe that the world is flat (re accuracy the above is an underestimate of the illicit volume - but I already explained it to no avail). Bye 👋
No need to get your knickers in a twist Chris, your "explanation" wasn't upto scratch and your links required a sign up. Derivative nailed it in one sentence 😐 Time to up your game old chap.
From what I can see after muddling through their site, I have to sign up to see anything. I just don't believe the chart that you've posted. I can't see how it can be accurate. Of course there is illicit activities, as well as legit ones, but I fail to see how they could come up with any numbers at all based on the anonymous capabilities of bitcoin. It could be correct, but I can't see how anyone could tell. No matter how much work goes into it. I understand where you come from. That’s fine. Some people even believe that the world is flat (re accuracy the above is an underestimate of the illicit volume - but I already explained it to no avail). Bye 👋 No need to get your knickers in a twist Chris, your "explanation" wasn't upto scratch and your links required a sign up. Derivative nailed it in one sentence 😐 Time to up your game old chap. |
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Bitcoin, by Chris JL on May 24, 2021 19:54:05 GMT 1, 🤦🏻♂️
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Bitcoin, by detail on May 25, 2021 1:16:47 GMT 1, The Chainalysis report also states:
In 2019, criminal activity represented 2.1% of all cryptocurrency transaction volume, or roughly $21.4 billion worth of transfers. In 2020, the criminal share of all cryptocurrency activity fell to just 0.34%, or $10.0 billion in transaction volume. One reason the percentage of criminal activity fell is because overall economic activity nearly tripled between 2019 and 2020.
0.34% seems low, how does that compare to the criminal share of non cryptocurrency financial activity?
blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-crypto-crime-report-intro-ransomware-scams-darknet-markets
The Chainalysis report also states: In 2019, criminal activity represented 2.1% of all cryptocurrency transaction volume, or roughly $21.4 billion worth of transfers. In 2020, the criminal share of all cryptocurrency activity fell to just 0.34%, or $10.0 billion in transaction volume. One reason the percentage of criminal activity fell is because overall economic activity nearly tripled between 2019 and 2020.0.34% seems low, how does that compare to the criminal share of non cryptocurrency financial activity? blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-crypto-crime-report-intro-ransomware-scams-darknet-markets |
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Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on May 25, 2021 2:29:33 GMT 1, Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now.
Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now.
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Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on May 25, 2021 2:40:17 GMT 1, Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now. You can have a VPN connection that encrypts all your traffic and routes it through another country. Unless the government is able to decrypt the traffic with backdoor ssl certificates and keys for companies that aren't in the US.
Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now. You can have a VPN connection that encrypts all your traffic and routes it through another country. Unless the government is able to decrypt the traffic with backdoor ssl certificates and keys for companies that aren't in the US. did you just mention VPN? hahah |
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Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on May 25, 2021 2:43:33 GMT 1, you think VPN which has been around for 2 decades... they don't know where that you getting your information from? wow.
you think VPN which has been around for 2 decades... they don't know where that you getting your information from? wow.
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Bitcoin, by jimmyjam on May 25, 2021 5:03:43 GMT 1, you think VPN which has been around for 2 decades... they don't know where that you getting your information from? wow. We usually are on the same page here, but the technology being 20 years old doesn't have any impact on the handshake between the client and the server.
it's like the 80s when the US bugged all copy/fax machines sent out overseas to companies and main foreign buildings. ;-) they have backdoors all the time. crypto, vpn, fax machines.. all old tech.. like I always say... never invest in old tech.
you think VPN which has been around for 2 decades... they don't know where that you getting your information from? wow. We usually are on the same page here, but the technology being 20 years old doesn't have any impact on the handshake between the client and the server. actually the chinese figured out VPN / where all information comes from. VPN is widely used there and trust me know where all the information is coming from, so do many countries now. it's like the 80s when the US bugged all copy/fax machines sent out overseas to companies and main foreign buildings. ;-) they have backdoors all the time. crypto, vpn, fax machines.. all old tech.. like I always say... never invest in old tech. |
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Bitcoin, by vvk on May 25, 2021 6:14:33 GMT 1, Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency? I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are). So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy. So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail? For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term.
I love the way you explain your case. It’s like all my favorite buzz words all wrapped up in one little tweet. Makes me wanna hit the like button. Bye Cramer.
Okay. I have probably the most basic question: What is the basic function of a currency? I would have thought that it's to work as a proxy for goods or services. So that I don't have to take 1.7 chickens to the man who fixes my horse carriage (see, that's how old I am, and probably why I struggle und understand the value of cryptocurrencys as they are). So I would have thought that the best trait of a currency is to be bloody stable. No ego, just a proxy. So isn't any currency that is based on scarcity and therefore price fluctuations (obviously just up up up) by default not really of use as a proxy and bound to fail? For me this feels like the tulip mania. Would love to hear about a case that underlines that something without an inherent value can keep its value long term. I love the way you explain your case. It’s like all my favorite buzz words all wrapped up in one little tweet. Makes me wanna hit the like button. Bye Cramer. |
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Bitcoin, by vvk on May 25, 2021 6:18:44 GMT 1, Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now.
Crypto is dead, but the very bank you keep your “ money “ in is in the process of switching their own systems to crypto.
Well i know for a fact they can locate and find people who use bitcoin or crypto... the US government worked with basically the people who started crypto to find a backdoor. You'd be surprised what the people who are hyping bitcoin... worked with with the US government to create backdoor. They were forced. One of my friends was... They can use cell towers and IP address to locate all crypto uses. Crypto is dead. You have to clue what the US government know and can control crypto transactions now. Crypto is dead, but the very bank you keep your “ money “ in is in the process of switching their own systems to crypto. |
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Bitcoin, by vvk on May 25, 2021 6:23:46 GMT 1, We usually are on the same page here, but the technology being 20 years old doesn't have any impact on the handshake between the client and the server. actually the chinese figured out VPN / where all information comes from. VPN is widely used there and trust me know where all the information is coming from, so do many countries now. it's like the 80s when the US bugged all copy/fax machines sent out overseas to companies and main foreign buildings. ;-) they have backdoors all the time. crypto, vpn, fax machines.. all old tech.. like I always say... never invest in old tech.
R u saying I should sell all my prints and my 2 originals snd invest only in NFT’s. That lush sux is so with the times, I love the way strokes tge screen and swipes right.
We usually are on the same page here, but the technology being 20 years old doesn't have any impact on the handshake between the client and the server. actually the chinese figured out VPN / where all information comes from. VPN is widely used there and trust me know where all the information is coming from, so do many countries now. it's like the 80s when the US bugged all copy/fax machines sent out overseas to companies and main foreign buildings. ;-) they have backdoors all the time. crypto, vpn, fax machines.. all old tech.. like I always say... never invest in old tech. R u saying I should sell all my prints and my 2 originals snd invest only in NFT’s. That lush sux is so with the times, I love the way strokes tge screen and swipes right. |
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Bitcoin, by ubl on May 28, 2021 16:39:24 GMT 1, Funny how this thread started 4 years ago with "China banning Bitcoin" its like they ban it every quarter.
Funny how this thread started 4 years ago with "China banning Bitcoin" its like they ban it every quarter.
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Bitcoin, by The Italian One on May 29, 2021 16:43:04 GMT 1, Funny how this thread started 4 years ago with "China banning Bitcoin" its like they ban it every quarter.
china banned FB, Google etc etc...
I can't see it as a prob
Funny how this thread started 4 years ago with "China banning Bitcoin" its like they ban it every quarter. LOL china banned FB, Google etc etc... I can't see it as a prob |
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Bitcoin, by Reader on May 29, 2021 18:50:27 GMT 1, LOL china banned FB, Google etc etc... I can't see it as a prob china can ban whatever it wants, as it’s a communist country.... they already ban freedom of religion, free speech, so they can def confiscate ur bitcoin or make it illegal 2 use in country if they choose.... then ppl can/will still do it, but ur risking ur freedom/life if u upset a communist dictator
LOL china banned FB, Google etc etc... I can't see it as a prob china can ban whatever it wants, as it’s a communist country.... they already ban freedom of religion, free speech, so they can def confiscate ur bitcoin or make it illegal 2 use in country if they choose.... then ppl can/will still do it, but ur risking ur freedom/life if u upset a communist dictator You're maybe confusing China with the USA there :-) |
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Bitcoin, by Reader on May 29, 2021 19:30:14 GMT 1, You're maybe confusing China with the USA there :-) not gonna get dragged into a political discussion here, like ever again, lol.... i respect almost all of UAA ppls opinion on art, n almost none of them on politics 😅 all i know is i love my country 🇺🇸, n i firmly believe if you don’t love the country u live in, u should leave it an go elsewhere u legally can.... gonna leave it here.
Yikes, that's got to go down well with the 37 million descendants of slaves.. "Don't like it, get back to Africa" ? But I'll stop, you're right. It's probably good you don't engage in political discourse and we leave it there. :-)
You're maybe confusing China with the USA there :-) not gonna get dragged into a political discussion here, like ever again, lol.... i respect almost all of UAA ppls opinion on art, n almost none of them on politics 😅 all i know is i love my country 🇺🇸, n i firmly believe if you don’t love the country u live in, u should leave it an go elsewhere u legally can.... gonna leave it here. Yikes, that's got to go down well with the 37 million descendants of slaves.. "Don't like it, get back to Africa" ? But I'll stop, you're right. It's probably good you don't engage in political discourse and we leave it there. :-) |
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Bitcoin, by Chris JL on May 29, 2021 20:52:10 GMT 1, You're maybe confusing China with the USA there :-) not gonna get dragged into a political discussion here, like ever again, lol.... i respect almost all of UAA ppls opinion on art, n almost none of them on politics 😅 all i know is i love my country 🇺🇸, n i firmly believe if you don’t love the country u live in, u should leave it an go elsewhere u legally can.... gonna leave it here.
🤦🏻♂️ … let’s talk art
You're maybe confusing China with the USA there :-) not gonna get dragged into a political discussion here, like ever again, lol.... i respect almost all of UAA ppls opinion on art, n almost none of them on politics 😅 all i know is i love my country 🇺🇸, n i firmly believe if you don’t love the country u live in, u should leave it an go elsewhere u legally can.... gonna leave it here. 🤦🏻♂️ … let’s talk art |
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Bitcoin, by iamzero on Jun 8, 2021 19:42:27 GMT 1, And yet that tanked today too…
And yet that tanked today too…
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Bitcoin, by moron on Jun 10, 2021 23:07:50 GMT 1,
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Bitcoin, by begs on Dec 31, 2021 19:51:15 GMT 1, Is it still worth buying Bitcoin
Is it still worth buying Bitcoin
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Bitcoin, by Art for Love 1 on Dec 31, 2021 19:54:34 GMT 1, i'm waiting for it to crash then i buy some.
i'm waiting for it to crash then i buy some.
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Bitcoin, by iamzero on Dec 31, 2021 19:54:48 GMT 1, If you believe..
If you believe..
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