Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by rockbeer on Oct 6, 2017 1:23:56 GMT 1,

Oct 6, 2017 1:11:02 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 6, 2017 0:30:24 GMT 1 rockbeer said:

I don't think I'm being naive, or that he hasn't thought it through, or that I'm coddling him.

I think he's well aware of what people are like and how they'll behave, I just think it isn't his priority, in this instance at least, to attempt to avoid or minimise such behaviour.

If the recent merchandise releases (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what they are, however much people might want to imagine they're something else) have achieved his objective of getting more people to Palestine then it's job done.

Why should Banksy take responsibility for the idiocy of certain individuals? Your only argument seems to be you think he should do this because it matters to you. You aren't really thinking about his motivations, only your own.

I suspect (though obviously I don't know) that he had a good idea what would happen and considered it a price worth paying for his greater objective of getting people to the hotel. I also suspect he thinks, as it seems do most reasonable observers, that this will all settle down once the secondary market is flooded and people realise that the realistic secondary market rate for a box set isn't going to make them rich and certainly isn't, in itself, enough to justify a trip to Palestine. Honestly, these will be like Dismaland balloons in a few months and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Should he not have done Dismaland because people flipped the damn balloons and every other scrap of paper they picked up off the floor?

He can't control secondary market lunacy other than, as you say, by not releasing limited edition work. So why should he worry about it? It's just another crazy thing crazy people do.

Yes let’s just get people there to see the hotel? What kind of lazy answer is that.

Mr. Rich man come to my hotel and pick up your print! Then if you choose please flip it on eBay! While here it’s okay to ignore that big wall. Maybe take a few photos for your Instagram and Facebook to show your friends.

And while your at it ignore the oppression, the murder, the wars because you know what I got you to come to my hotel! Bravo banksy bravo!


Not....

Try not to be more stupid than you can help - though clearly it's very difficult for you.

Did you actually read what I wrote? Clearly not. Okay, try the following:

1. Some people will go for a print but find something else when they get there. This is happening - people are saying so on these very boards.

2. Rich people (and wannabe rich people) will stop going just to buy prints when they realise the prints are essentially worthless.

3. You go to Bethlehem it's very f**king hard to 'ignore the wall'.

4. He doesn't want people to go 'to see the hotel'. What kind of an utterly thoughtless answer is that? You can't seriously be suggesting this is for his ego. The point of the hotel is to get people to go and see Palestine. Surely even you can see that?

By the way, I'm sure you have your motivations, and you're as entitled to them as anyone else, but what pleasure do you get from deliberately and wilfully misrepresenting people rather than addressing the actual points they're making? Your whole post is basically a refutation of the precise opposite of my argument.

Weird.

Oct 6, 2017 1:11:02 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 6, 2017 0:30:24 GMT 1 rockbeer said:

I don't think I'm being naive, or that he hasn't thought it through, or that I'm coddling him.

I think he's well aware of what people are like and how they'll behave, I just think it isn't his priority, in this instance at least, to attempt to avoid or minimise such behaviour.

If the recent merchandise releases (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what they are, however much people might want to imagine they're something else) have achieved his objective of getting more people to Palestine then it's job done.

Why should Banksy take responsibility for the idiocy of certain individuals? Your only argument seems to be you think he should do this because it matters to you. You aren't really thinking about his motivations, only your own.

I suspect (though obviously I don't know) that he had a good idea what would happen and considered it a price worth paying for his greater objective of getting people to the hotel. I also suspect he thinks, as it seems do most reasonable observers, that this will all settle down once the secondary market is flooded and people realise that the realistic secondary market rate for a box set isn't going to make them rich and certainly isn't, in itself, enough to justify a trip to Palestine. Honestly, these will be like Dismaland balloons in a few months and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Should he not have done Dismaland because people flipped the damn balloons and every other scrap of paper they picked up off the floor?

He can't control secondary market lunacy other than, as you say, by not releasing limited edition work. So why should he worry about it? It's just another crazy thing crazy people do.

Yes let’s just get people there to see the hotel? What kind of lazy answer is that.

Mr. Rich man come to my hotel and pick up your print! Then if you choose please flip it on eBay! While here it’s okay to ignore that big wall. Maybe take a few photos for your Instagram and Facebook to show your friends.

And while your at it ignore the oppression, the murder, the wars because you know what I got you to come to my hotel! Bravo banksy bravo!


Not....

Try not to be more stupid than you can help - though clearly it's very difficult for you.

Did you actually read what I wrote? Clearly not. Okay, try the following:

1. Some people will go for a print but find something else when they get there. This is happening - people are saying so on these very boards.

2. Rich people (and wannabe rich people) will stop going just to buy prints when they realise the prints are essentially worthless.

3. You go to Bethlehem it's very f**king hard to 'ignore the wall'.

4. He doesn't want people to go 'to see the hotel'. What kind of an utterly thoughtless answer is that? You can't seriously be suggesting this is for his ego. The point of the hotel is to get people to go and see Palestine. Surely even you can see that?

By the way, I'm sure you have your motivations, and you're as entitled to them as anyone else, but what pleasure do you get from deliberately and wilfully misrepresenting people rather than addressing the actual points they're making? Your whole post is basically a refutation of the precise opposite of my argument.

Weird.