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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 12:13:06 GMT 1, Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about a wall space for a cafe I'm setting up in the next few weeks.
We are speaking to the landlords about the potential to get a street artist to come and cover one of the walls. It's in a prominent East London indoor space, near to Brick Lane. Maybe 3-4 metres wide with low ceilings.
Would love any of the well-known London artists to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing artists want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc.
Thanks!
Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about a wall space for a cafe I'm setting up in the next few weeks.
We are speaking to the landlords about the potential to get a street artist to come and cover one of the walls. It's in a prominent East London indoor space, near to Brick Lane. Maybe 3-4 metres wide with low ceilings.
Would love any of the well-known London artists to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing artists want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc.
Thanks!
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 12:28:57 GMT 1, That's totally fair enough and thanks for the tip. I thought it might be something like that. The space is a funny one since it's indoor, small, and something in between public and private enterprise. Like a market space.
Thanks for the suggestion! I may have to track him down. Looks awesome!
That's totally fair enough and thanks for the tip. I thought it might be something like that. The space is a funny one since it's indoor, small, and something in between public and private enterprise. Like a market space. Thanks for the suggestion! I may have to track him down. Looks awesome!
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:06:51 GMT 1, If you post on instagram, there are a lot of good graff etc artists in London and i'm sure you will get more than one person willing to paint your wall. London wall space is prime advertising for artists these days.
If you post on instagram, there are a lot of good graff etc artists in London and i'm sure you will get more than one person willing to paint your wall. London wall space is prime advertising for artists these days.
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Carl Cashman
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2018 13:46:18 GMT 1, Yes artists charge even for stuff like this:
Time and travel Materials Planning
The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol
Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ?
Yes artists charge even for stuff like this:
Time and travel Materials Planning
The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol
Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ?
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Geezer Mate
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Geezer Mate on Feb 19, 2018 13:54:28 GMT 1, Can someone come fix my roof for free?
Can someone come fix my roof for free?
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 14:05:05 GMT 1, Well, I think it's somewhere in between and will depend on how you want to look at it. London is prime real estate, I'm sure for any artist, and we would be pretty open to artistic freedom. The artist gets to bag more publicity and we too. Seems like a pretty good reciprocal deal?
I don't much see any point in commissions as it loses the essence of the artist, in my opinion. It will come down to what the landlord will allow though.
Arguably, if you fix my roof there isn't much in it for you — but you never know..
Well, I think it's somewhere in between and will depend on how you want to look at it. London is prime real estate, I'm sure for any artist, and we would be pretty open to artistic freedom. The artist gets to bag more publicity and we too. Seems like a pretty good reciprocal deal?
I don't much see any point in commissions as it loses the essence of the artist, in my opinion. It will come down to what the landlord will allow though.
Arguably, if you fix my roof there isn't much in it for you — but you never know..
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Fake on Feb 19, 2018 14:07:28 GMT 1, Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about food for a street artist who is starting in the next few weeks.
We are speaking to the wife about the potential to get a cafe to come and bring food. It's a good looking artist with impressive mustage, he is washed and smells good. Maybe 3-4 sandwiches and some cake with tea every day for the next 3 years.
Would love any of the well-known London cafe's to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing cafe's want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc.
Thanks!
;-)
Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about food for a street artist who is starting in the next few weeks.
We are speaking to the wife about the potential to get a cafe to come and bring food. It's a good looking artist with impressive mustage, he is washed and smells good. Maybe 3-4 sandwiches and some cake with tea every day for the next 3 years.
Would love any of the well-known London cafe's to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing cafe's want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc.
Thanks!
;-)
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88rayse88
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by 88rayse88 on Feb 19, 2018 14:11:10 GMT 1, Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about food for a street artist who is starting in the next few weeks. We are speaking to the wife about the potential to get a cafe to come and bring food. It's a good looking artist with impressive mustage, he is washed and smells good. Maybe 3-4 sandwiches and some cake with tea every day for the next 3 years. Would love any of the well-known London cafe's to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing cafe's want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc. Thanks! ;-)
Hahaha :-)
Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about food for a street artist who is starting in the next few weeks. We are speaking to the wife about the potential to get a cafe to come and bring food. It's a good looking artist with impressive mustage, he is washed and smells good. Maybe 3-4 sandwiches and some cake with tea every day for the next 3 years. Would love any of the well-known London cafe's to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing cafe's want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc. Thanks! ;-) Hahaha :-)
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 14:12:42 GMT 1, We'd love to! Who's the artist?
We'd love to! Who's the artist?
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Guy Denning
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Guy Denning on Feb 19, 2018 14:13:38 GMT 1, Well, I think it's somewhere in between and will depend on how you want to look at it. London is prime real estate, I'm sure for any artist, and we would be pretty open to artistic freedom. The artist gets to bag more publicity and we too. Seems like a pretty good reciprocal deal? I don't much see any point in commissions as it loses the essence of the artist, in my opinion. It will come down to what the landlord will allow though. Arguably, if you fix my roof there isn't much in it for you — but you never know.. You're starting to dig a hole for yourself. You either want to give absolute artistic freedom or you don't. And the amount of publicity for an internal wall is negligible. Commissions keep artists eating - our essence is the same as anybody else not living on daddy's trust fund - life. For which the mainstay are food, clothes and shelter. We don't have a trade union but we bloody need one.
Well, I think it's somewhere in between and will depend on how you want to look at it. London is prime real estate, I'm sure for any artist, and we would be pretty open to artistic freedom. The artist gets to bag more publicity and we too. Seems like a pretty good reciprocal deal? I don't much see any point in commissions as it loses the essence of the artist, in my opinion. It will come down to what the landlord will allow though. Arguably, if you fix my roof there isn't much in it for you — but you never know.. You're starting to dig a hole for yourself. You either want to give absolute artistic freedom or you don't. And the amount of publicity for an internal wall is negligible. Commissions keep artists eating - our essence is the same as anybody else not living on daddy's trust fund - life. For which the mainstay are food, clothes and shelter. We don't have a trade union but we bloody need one.
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Dive Jedi
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Dive Jedi on Feb 19, 2018 14:15:55 GMT 1, Yes artists charge even for stuff like this: Time and travel Materials Planning The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ? Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve.....
Yes artists charge even for stuff like this: Time and travel Materials Planning The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ? Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve.....
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Carl Cashman
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2018 14:16:54 GMT 1, Luckily when I pay my bills each month, british gas except 'exposure' points and dont bother with stuff like money.
Luckily when I pay my bills each month, british gas except 'exposure' points and dont bother with stuff like money.
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 14:18:52 GMT 1, I've said we are willing, but the landlord may veto the project if the plans from the artist are objectionable to them in any way. I'm not sure there's much more we can do, but I don't see how I'm digging a hole - either it's viable, or it is not. It's a conversation. If an artist is not interested then that's fine too.
My thoughts around commissions were not in the sense that I have an issue paying money to an artist (of course, I do not), but that I have an issue with paying an artist to paint something that is in my own head. Then I effectively become the artist, which I find pointless. I have given plenty of my own money to artists without needing to commission them.
Other people can obviously commission artists (as anyone is free to do) - it's just my own opinion on the matter.
I've said we are willing, but the landlord may veto the project if the plans from the artist are objectionable to them in any way. I'm not sure there's much more we can do, but I don't see how I'm digging a hole - either it's viable, or it is not. It's a conversation. If an artist is not interested then that's fine too.
My thoughts around commissions were not in the sense that I have an issue paying money to an artist (of course, I do not), but that I have an issue with paying an artist to paint something that is in my own head. Then I effectively become the artist, which I find pointless. I have given plenty of my own money to artists without needing to commission them.
Other people can obviously commission artists (as anyone is free to do) - it's just my own opinion on the matter.
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Carl Cashman
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2018 14:24:35 GMT 1, I've said we are willing, but the landlord may veto the project if the plans from the artist are objectionable to them in any way. I'm not sure there's much more we can do, but I don't see how I'm digging a hole - either it's viable, or it is not. It's a conversation. If an artist is not interested then that's fine too. My thoughts around commissions were not in the sense that I have an issue paying money to an artist (of course, I do not), but that I have an issue with paying an artist to paint something that is in my own head. Then I effectively become the artist, which I find pointless. I have given plenty of my own money to artists without needing to commission them. Other people can obviously commission artists (as anyone is free to do) - it's just my own opinion on the matter. So the artists designs a piece for free, that may not even get signed off ?.
Your best bet is to approach artists youv built a relationship with. If one of my collectors mailed with that request id probably take them up as a favour.
I've said we are willing, but the landlord may veto the project if the plans from the artist are objectionable to them in any way. I'm not sure there's much more we can do, but I don't see how I'm digging a hole - either it's viable, or it is not. It's a conversation. If an artist is not interested then that's fine too. My thoughts around commissions were not in the sense that I have an issue paying money to an artist (of course, I do not), but that I have an issue with paying an artist to paint something that is in my own head. Then I effectively become the artist, which I find pointless. I have given plenty of my own money to artists without needing to commission them. Other people can obviously commission artists (as anyone is free to do) - it's just my own opinion on the matter. So the artists designs a piece for free, that may not even get signed off ?. Your best bet is to approach artists youv built a relationship with. If one of my collectors mailed with that request id probably take them up as a favour.
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Guy Denning
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Guy Denning on Feb 19, 2018 14:25:23 GMT 1, Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve..... I must be going through my second childhood. Even in my fifties a comedy graffiti cock still makes me laugh.
Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve..... I must be going through my second childhood. Even in my fifties a comedy graffiti cock still makes me laugh.
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Carl Cashman
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2018 14:31:49 GMT 1, Yes artists charge even for stuff like this: Time and travel Materials Planning The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ? Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve..... Ahha i love it that that pops up every now and then.
Yes artists charge even for stuff like this: Time and travel Materials Planning The years of practice it takes to become a big enough artist so that people want the exposure of your work for free lol Plus its a commission, for you and your buisness that you probably want some control over ? Well, this collab was rather lovely. Not sure the landlord will approve..... Ahha i love it that that pops up every now and then.
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 14:37:36 GMT 1, As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone.
I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space.
Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible.
The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals.
As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone.
I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space.
Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible.
The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals.
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Briggs 74 on Feb 19, 2018 14:39:19 GMT 1, is that D*Face's full name?
is that D*Face's full name?
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Carl Cashman
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2018 14:48:38 GMT 1,
As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone. I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space. Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible. The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals.
Most of the people that responded were artists giving there opinion.. sorry it wasnt the answers you expected but I hope you find something for the wall space.
As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone. I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space. Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible. The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals. Most of the people that responded were artists giving there opinion.. sorry it wasnt the answers you expected but I hope you find something for the wall space.
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brycepen
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by brycepen on Feb 19, 2018 14:52:47 GMT 1, Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about a wall space for a cafe I'm setting up in the next few weeks. We are speaking to the landlords about the potential to get a street artist to come and cover one of the walls. It's in a prominent East London indoor space, near to Brick Lane. Maybe 3-4 metres wide with low ceilings. Would love any of the well-known London artists to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing artists want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc. Thanks!
Or you could easily ask a local artist whose taste you like if you can hang their unsold works for free, with the the stipulation that the works are clearly advertised as being for sale and with a negotiable price
Edit: with the estimated price listed next to the work, perhaps with an asterisk that says “prices negotiable. Enquire within
Hello! Just wanted to get advice from the heads in here about a wall space for a cafe I'm setting up in the next few weeks. We are speaking to the landlords about the potential to get a street artist to come and cover one of the walls. It's in a prominent East London indoor space, near to Brick Lane. Maybe 3-4 metres wide with low ceilings. Would love any of the well-known London artists to do it - for free - since we can't really afford to pay and I wanted to know if it's the kind of thing artists want to do (marking their territory or just generally for the love of it), or if they charge/commission for this kind of thing, since they are already ballers etc. Thanks! Or you could easily ask a local artist whose taste you like if you can hang their unsold works for free, with the the stipulation that the works are clearly advertised as being for sale and with a negotiable price Edit: with the estimated price listed next to the work, perhaps with an asterisk that says “prices negotiable. Enquire within
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 14:53:12 GMT 1, Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given.
The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man.
Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given.
The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man.
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Dive Jedi
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Dive Jedi on Feb 19, 2018 15:13:44 GMT 1, Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given. The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man. Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly.
For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation.
So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses.
You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work......
The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do.
Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given. The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man. Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do.
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moron
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 15:14:23 GMT 1, As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone. I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space. Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible. The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals. Best to set up a meeting with you and an artist/s and the landlord.
Then find a way which is good for everyone and also for the artist to benefit by being allowed to sign their name and add their phone and website to the artwork.
I get that established artists have more than likely done a few freebies in exchange for publicity and got none or promotion of any kind from the walls owners.
Other artists less known might be up for it but in reality most artists don't like their hands tied or compromise regarding the actual artwork.
As I said, I think a 3-way conversation can be had without an artist needing to fully design a piece before sign-off. It's a free wall for an artist, if you will, but of course the permission from landlord has to be sought. Not quite vandalism, but not really a commission - I really didn't think this would be a new concept to anyone. I honestly don't think that's too big a stretch but I suppose this forum is well-known for being capable of moaning about anything. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but it wasn't my intention. I think it's a reasonable offer for the right artist. If it's all about money, I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of companies that would pay us good money for the space. Thanks for the constructive input from some - I think I have enough leads now and will see what's possible. The rest can continue with the sarcastic diatribe from those high pedestals. Best to set up a meeting with you and an artist/s and the landlord. Then find a way which is good for everyone and also for the artist to benefit by being allowed to sign their name and add their phone and website to the artwork. I get that established artists have more than likely done a few freebies in exchange for publicity and got none or promotion of any kind from the walls owners. Other artists less known might be up for it but in reality most artists don't like their hands tied or compromise regarding the actual artwork.
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 15:15:23 GMT 1, Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given. The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man. Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi
Honestly, don't be sorry — I did get answers and thanked (and thank again) for the constructive input where given. The sarcasm doesn't really play well with me and comes across as childish and unprofessional, buy hey, that's just like my opinion, man. Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by brycepen on Feb 19, 2018 15:18:01 GMT 1, Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi
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Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi Hahahaha
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 15:35:42 GMT 1, Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks...
If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives.
Well, if you would know some artists (or photographers or any other more artistic profession) personally you would know they are asked to work for free for "exposure" regularly. For some reason people assume they don't need to pay morgage or groceries and will just jump to any opportunity to work without any compensation. So hence the somewhat sarcastic responses. You apparantly have cash to rent a A-location in the center of London and start a new business, yet you can't come up with a few hundred quid to pay an artist for his work...... The assumption that a well-known London artist will paint your indoor wall for free is a bit naive. Can't imagine MDS will drop by to paint your wall. His paintings sell out in seconds. Surely he has other stuff to do. Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks... If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives.
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Nuno on Feb 19, 2018 15:38:28 GMT 1, Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks... If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives.
Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic?
Payment in bagels might work, bagels and coffee and free wifi Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks... If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives. Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic?
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mrbagel
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by mrbagel on Feb 19, 2018 16:06:51 GMT 1, Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks... If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives. Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic? Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop.
This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017
Haha!! Yes of course. Payment in actual real moolah may even be an option if we manage to sell a kidney. We'll see what transpires. Not sure if you're aware, but there's not much money in coffee - we do it because we love it so aren't swimming in money either. Will update here in the coming days or weeks... If it's not viable, we'll just hang some art up and get on with the rest of our lives. Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic? Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop. This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017
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brycepen
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by brycepen on Feb 19, 2018 16:54:30 GMT 1, Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic? Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop. This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017
Hmmm, are you quite sure about that mrbagel? Blogs aren’t always truthful
Not much money in coffee? The margins on each cup must be fantastic? Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop. This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017Hmmm, are you quite sure about that mrbagel? Blogs aren’t always truthful
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Advice needed: artist for wall, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 17:03:19 GMT 1, Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop. This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017Hmmm, are you quite sure about that mrbagel? Blogs aren’t always truthful
your not stirring are you?
not the best way to express, but we have all bean there
Yeah, common misconception. The gross margin can look like that if you only take into account the cost of the raw product, but that's missing the bigger picture. A bank manager will not loan you the cash if you want to just open a coffee shop. This guy, Mat North is a well-known figure in the coffee scene and runs a shop in Bristol. This blog explains some of the issues and how he takes home less than the average cafe manager salary of £22,000. www.fcp.coffee/blog/post/raising-prices-2017Hmmm, are you quite sure about that mrbagel? Blogs aren’t always truthful your not stirring are you? not the best way to express, but we have all bean there
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