sptembergurl
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New Collector - Need advice, by sptembergurl on Apr 5, 2018 18:25:05 GMT 1, Hello,
First please excuse my ignorance, I am pretty new to this street art forum so I am just looking for advice. Please be nice?
Over the past year I have started collecting street art because I bought a new home and have a lot of interest in decorating with pieces from some of the names popping up on here.
There is one piece in particular from a well-known artist that I want to buy but it is not available for sale and the original size is also too small for the space anyway.
I contacted the gallery that sold it in the first place and they have told me that they can have the artist curate another one for me.
My question is, say I went ahead and had the artist create the same piece for me but in a larger size. Then letโs say something unfortunate happened down the road and I had to sell it. Would the fact that I took the original and had the artist make it a different size detract from the sale or would it not matter? Is there a negative impact on resale price if you had the artist recreate an original in a different size? I am sorry if this is a stupid question. I just want to make sure I fully understand what I might be walking into.
Thanks again.
Sptembergurl
Hello, First please excuse my ignorance, I am pretty new to this street art forum so I am just looking for advice. Please be nice? Over the past year I have started collecting street art because I bought a new home and have a lot of interest in decorating with pieces from some of the names popping up on here. There is one piece in particular from a well-known artist that I want to buy but it is not available for sale and the original size is also too small for the space anyway. I contacted the gallery that sold it in the first place and they have told me that they can have the artist curate another one for me. My question is, say I went ahead and had the artist create the same piece for me but in a larger size. Then letโs say something unfortunate happened down the road and I had to sell it. Would the fact that I took the original and had the artist make it a different size detract from the sale or would it not matter? Is there a negative impact on resale price if you had the artist recreate an original in a different size? I am sorry if this is a stupid question. I just want to make sure I fully understand what I might be walking into. Thanks again. Sptembergurl |
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Dahmer
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New Collector - Need advice, by Dahmer on Apr 5, 2018 18:35:56 GMT 1, Which piece are we talking about? Really curious....
But, i own a few originals by certain artists, some that i paid a lot for, some that that i didnt, but i cant say id be over the moon if any of them started knocking off smaller or larger pieces of the originals i bought. At least make them a little different in some way, besides the scale.
Which piece are we talking about? Really curious....
But, i own a few originals by certain artists, some that i paid a lot for, some that that i didnt, but i cant say id be over the moon if any of them started knocking off smaller or larger pieces of the originals i bought. At least make them a little different in some way, besides the scale.
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Dive Jedi
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New Collector - Need advice, by Dive Jedi on Apr 5, 2018 18:38:52 GMT 1, Hello, First please excuse my ignorance, I am pretty new to this street art forum so I am just looking for advice. Please be nice? Over the past year I have started collecting street art because I bought a new home and have a lot of interest in decorating with pieces from some of the names popping up on here. There is one piece in particular from a well-known artist that I want to buy but it is not available for sale and the original size is also too small for the space anyway. I contacted the gallery that sold it in the first place and they have told me that they can have the artist curate another one for me. My question is, say I went ahead and had the artist create the same piece for me but in a larger size. Then letโs say something unfortunate happened down the road and I had to sell it. Would the fact that I took the original and had the artist make it a different size detract from the sale or would it not matter? Is there a negative impact on resale price if you had the artist recreate an original in a different size? I am sorry if this is a stupid question. I just want to make sure I fully understand what I might be walking into. Thanks again. Sptembergurl
In general I would say a larger version of an Original would be a good thing.
Any impact on resale would depend on the price you will pay for it.
If it's in the same ballpark as the existing piece, or at least in line with the larger dimensions I don't see a problem. Unless it will be 10 x 15 feet, since not many folks will have room for that. 
And if you would have to sell it down the line you could write of any loss as enjoyment......
But don't take my word for it. Let's see what others think.
Hello, First please excuse my ignorance, I am pretty new to this street art forum so I am just looking for advice. Please be nice? Over the past year I have started collecting street art because I bought a new home and have a lot of interest in decorating with pieces from some of the names popping up on here. There is one piece in particular from a well-known artist that I want to buy but it is not available for sale and the original size is also too small for the space anyway. I contacted the gallery that sold it in the first place and they have told me that they can have the artist curate another one for me. My question is, say I went ahead and had the artist create the same piece for me but in a larger size. Then letโs say something unfortunate happened down the road and I had to sell it. Would the fact that I took the original and had the artist make it a different size detract from the sale or would it not matter? Is there a negative impact on resale price if you had the artist recreate an original in a different size? I am sorry if this is a stupid question. I just want to make sure I fully understand what I might be walking into. Thanks again. Sptembergurl In general I would say a larger version of an Original would be a good thing. Any impact on resale would depend on the price you will pay for it. If it's in the same ballpark as the existing piece, or at least in line with the larger dimensions I don't see a problem. Unless it will be 10 x 15 feet, since not many folks will have room for that. And if you would have to sell it down the line you could write of any loss as enjoyment...... But don't take my word for it. Let's see what others think. |
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New Collector - Need advice, by Happy Shopper on Apr 5, 2018 18:59:08 GMT 1, That would be bad practice for any artist or gallery. Steer clear.
For starters, who'd buy yours if they can just ask the artist for a bespoke one?
If you like the image and it's a good price, go for it, but doesn't sound like an investment... At least from these details.
That would be bad practice for any artist or gallery. Steer clear.
For starters, who'd buy yours if they can just ask the artist for a bespoke one?
If you like the image and it's a good price, go for it, but doesn't sound like an investment... At least from these details.
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moron
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New Collector - Need advice, by moron on Apr 5, 2018 19:46:26 GMT 1, Happy Shopper makes a good point.
Sometimes with collecting it's best to put an idea aside for a month and see if in a months time you still want to buy that particular piece. There's a lot of art out there and affordable. Don't believe all the hype on this forum regarding some artists. To me at least it looks like artists who churn out prints aka Fairey, Whatson etc are just an urban art version of those Franklin Mint collectors plates etc that people were buying in the eighties as future investments.
Happy Shopper makes a good point.
Sometimes with collecting it's best to put an idea aside for a month and see if in a months time you still want to buy that particular piece. There's a lot of art out there and affordable. Don't believe all the hype on this forum regarding some artists. To me at least it looks like artists who churn out prints aka Fairey, Whatson etc are just an urban art version of those Franklin Mint collectors plates etc that people were buying in the eighties as future investments.
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cmartin
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New Collector - Need advice, by cmartin on Apr 5, 2018 21:02:32 GMT 1, An original is THE original meaning there is only 1. An edition is a run of X produced at a certain point in time and we assume there will be no more produced. Sounds like this artist and gallery are willing to break those guidelines and I would be weary of that especially as an invest standpoint. Look at how Pose has gone back and reprinted old editions. He at least changed the colors and that makes it acceptable but the ones I have seen sold have gone for cost. Iโm not knocking this as I purchased a green doll but it is going on my wall because I love the image and is in no way an investment. Now if it is a commissioned work and they are working off of an image you like from them but in the end it will be a different image then that is totally fine and I would go for it.
An original is THE original meaning there is only 1. An edition is a run of X produced at a certain point in time and we assume there will be no more produced. Sounds like this artist and gallery are willing to break those guidelines and I would be weary of that especially as an invest standpoint. Look at how Pose has gone back and reprinted old editions. He at least changed the colors and that makes it acceptable but the ones I have seen sold have gone for cost. Iโm not knocking this as I purchased a green doll but it is going on my wall because I love the image and is in no way an investment. Now if it is a commissioned work and they are working off of an image you like from them but in the end it will be a different image then that is totally fine and I would go for it.
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maxamaxa2
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New Collector - Need advice, by maxamaxa2 on Apr 5, 2018 21:03:04 GMT 1, But it really depend on the artist and the piece, is it totally unique I donโt think the artist will or should make a larger โcopyโ but can make something in the same style/direction.
If it is for example one of Millers books, Hirst dots, wools texts, Kremers paper weights... and so on I think it would be ok and would not make it any less attractive.
So, depends a lot on the type of painting.
But it really depend on the artist and the piece, is it totally unique I donโt think the artist will or should make a larger โcopyโ but can make something in the same style/direction.
If it is for example one of Millers books, Hirst dots, wools texts, Kremers paper weights... and so on I think it would be ok and would not make it any less attractive.
So, depends a lot on the type of painting.
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NYart
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New Collector - Need advice, by NYart on Apr 5, 2018 21:47:00 GMT 1, Producing a 1/1 in a different size isnโt any different than producing a unique piece with a different background color or something of that nature which is pretty common. I own a couple 1/1โs produced outside of the edition, as long as mine is unique as stated and it is different enough to not be confused with the main edition I donโt see an issue with it.
I feel like the determining factor is whether or not itโs done via stencil. If itโs a stencil 1/1โs in different sizes/colors isnโt a โrip offโ of their original. However if itโs a reproduction of a hand painted piece like maybe a Dran would be a good example thatโs not cool.
Producing a 1/1 in a different size isnโt any different than producing a unique piece with a different background color or something of that nature which is pretty common. I own a couple 1/1โs produced outside of the edition, as long as mine is unique as stated and it is different enough to not be confused with the main edition I donโt see an issue with it.
I feel like the determining factor is whether or not itโs done via stencil. If itโs a stencil 1/1โs in different sizes/colors isnโt a โrip offโ of their original. However if itโs a reproduction of a hand painted piece like maybe a Dran would be a good example thatโs not cool.
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sptembergurl
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New Collector - Need advice, by sptembergurl on Apr 5, 2018 22:12:49 GMT 1, I would classify it more as a stencil. All of this is making me nervous.
I would classify it more as a stencil. All of this is making me nervous.
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JL Broooks
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New Collector - Need advice, by JL Broooks on Apr 5, 2018 22:26:41 GMT 1, I wouldnโt worry too much - it is an original and as it is larger in size there is no problem with the provenance. Ask the gallery for a COA signed by the artist. Alternatively you can also contact the artist directly and see if you can do a deal / commission directly with him / her. Then you can also ask him / her to do a little tweak to the work so itโs even more unique. Some kind of special hand finishing touch is always possible.
I wouldnโt worry too much - it is an original and as it is larger in size there is no problem with the provenance. Ask the gallery for a COA signed by the artist. Alternatively you can also contact the artist directly and see if you can do a deal / commission directly with him / her. Then you can also ask him / her to do a little tweak to the work so itโs even more unique. Some kind of special hand finishing touch is always possible.
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gbr1
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New Collector - Need advice, by gbr1 on Apr 7, 2018 16:20:16 GMT 1, Having looked at all the replies you've had id say firstly forget this purchase as an investment as the chance of making any money would be very slim and theres a greater chance of loss. If this commission is in the hundreds and it fills your wall space then fine,however if more then you really need to like it as you'll probably in the future move therefore it will have to adorn another wall elsewhere and you'll still need to love it. If not youll no doubt have to take a hit if you sell it unless your very lucky. To sum up it doesn't really matter if its another piece larger than original format the artist did or not it must be money well spent in your opinion that you dont care whether you lose or not. Just food for thought my comment will probably be shot down in flames.
Having looked at all the replies you've had id say firstly forget this purchase as an investment as the chance of making any money would be very slim and theres a greater chance of loss. If this commission is in the hundreds and it fills your wall space then fine,however if more then you really need to like it as you'll probably in the future move therefore it will have to adorn another wall elsewhere and you'll still need to love it. If not youll no doubt have to take a hit if you sell it unless your very lucky. To sum up it doesn't really matter if its another piece larger than original format the artist did or not it must be money well spent in your opinion that you dont care whether you lose or not. Just food for thought my comment will probably be shot down in flames.
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