hobbs
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by hobbs on Apr 10, 2018 20:00:38 GMT 1, Just for curiousness's sake, because I'm not in the know about 99.99999% of anything relating to street artists, why would there be a lack of sympathy if it was a recent purchase?ย Because on here buying to sell, i.e. flipping is not or certainly has historically not been the done thing on here.
Ahh, magic. Cheers. I get it now.
Flipping has a slightly different meaning/ sense of feeling where I'm used to posting. It's taking me a moment to get used to the way you lot use it ๐ but I get the post now.
I'd buy all my favourite art and build myself my own gallery, if I was a billionaire. You'd all be welcome round. Only exclusions would be to the arseholes who pull these PayPal scams. I mean, seriously. What's wrong with these people.
Just for curiousness's sake, because I'm not in the know about 99.99999% of anything relating to street artists, why would there be a lack of sympathy if it was a recent purchase?ย Because on here buying to sell, i.e. flipping is not or certainly has historically not been the done thing on here. Ahh, magic. Cheers. I get it now. Flipping has a slightly different meaning/ sense of feeling where I'm used to posting. It's taking me a moment to get used to the way you lot use it ๐ but I get the post now. I'd buy all my favourite art and build myself my own gallery, if I was a billionaire. You'd all be welcome round. Only exclusions would be to the arseholes who pull these PayPal scams. I mean, seriously. What's wrong with these people.
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Quinnster
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Quinnster on Apr 11, 2018 7:05:10 GMT 1, Part of me thinks buy people keep moaning about it in threads encourages more people to try this scam.
Iโve had it done to me, itโs the occasional cost of doing business.
Where else can you sell your items for as much money so simply?
I have also sent back a couple of fake items so it works both ways.
Part of me thinks buy people keep moaning about it in threads encourages more people to try this scam.
Iโve had it done to me, itโs the occasional cost of doing business.
Where else can you sell your items for as much money so simply?
I have also sent back a couple of fake items so it works both ways.
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Icesay
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Icesay on Apr 11, 2018 19:42:03 GMT 1, (1) if your listing pics and description are accurate you can easily "refuse" the refund as the item sent matches photos and all desription. (2) simply having a "no refunds/returns" policy doesn't really fly if buyer files an issue via ebay.ย ebay wants buyers to be happy so they keep returning to ebay. (3) proving a signature should be easy..... do you see a signature?ย if yes.... it is signed.ย if not... it is not. (4) if you claimed it was a silkscreen in your description (in the lab is not a silkscreen) .... then you are wrong and the buyer can claim that "item not as described".ย those 3D prints (in lab, europe, et) are just printed posters (not silkscreens)
They're not just posters they are archival pigment prints just like a lot of prints released today. Having said that modern printing techniques have come a long way since the 3D ones were done. I have in Europe and the resolution isn't what it would be today.
(1) if your listing pics and description are accurate you can easily "refuse" the refund as the item sent matches photos and all desription. (2) simply having a "no refunds/returns" policy doesn't really fly if buyer files an issue via ebay.ย ebay wants buyers to be happy so they keep returning to ebay. (3) proving a signature should be easy..... do you see a signature?ย if yes.... it is signed.ย if not... it is not. (4) if you claimed it was a silkscreen in your description (in the lab is not a silkscreen) .... then you are wrong and the buyer can claim that "item not as described".ย those 3D prints (in lab, europe, et) are just printed posters (not silkscreens) They're not just posters they are archival pigment prints just like a lot of prints released today. Having said that modern printing techniques have come a long way since the 3D ones were done. I have in Europe and the resolution isn't what it would be today.
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soupy
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by soupy on Apr 11, 2018 19:48:19 GMT 1, lol.... that is irrelevant to this discussion and my point. merely stated that if OP had specified these were silkscreens in the description and the buyer called him out, then ebay will side with buyer. i wasn't trying to dive into the changes in modern printing techniques or that these are "archival pigment prints"... it still doesn't make them silkscreens.
lol.... that is irrelevant to this discussion and my point. merely stated that if OP had specified these were silkscreens in the description and the buyer called him out, then ebay will side with buyer. i wasn't trying to dive into the changes in modern printing techniques or that these are "archival pigment prints"... it still doesn't make them silkscreens.
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Snakes
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Snakes on Apr 12, 2018 9:55:05 GMT 1, Thats because they are all In the same cartel.
Thats because they are all In the same cartel.
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Winks
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Winks on Apr 12, 2018 12:19:20 GMT 1, If the buyer has quoted the signature and printing method as a reason to return and it comes back damaged then youโll have a bonafide issue.
The buyer has to return the goods in the same condition as received and if not then they are liable
If the buyer has quoted the signature and printing method as a reason to return and it comes back damaged then youโll have a bonafide issue.
The buyer has to return the goods in the same condition as received and if not then they are liable
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 13:35:39 GMT 1, It's all down to what details you listed it with as to whether they can say item not as described. If it was listed as screenprint and is in fact a giclee then they are within their rights.
Ebay are doing away with Paypal as their primary payment system.
It's all down to what details you listed it with as to whether they can say item not as described. If it was listed as screenprint and is in fact a giclee then they are within their rights.
Ebay are doing away with Paypal as their primary payment system.
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securityman
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by securityman on May 12, 2018 7:09:54 GMT 1, Getting ready for cryptocurrency.It's all down to what details you listed it with as to whether they can say item not as described. If it was listed as screenprint and is in fact a giclee then they are within their rights. Ebay are doing away with Paypal as their primary payment system.
Getting ready for cryptocurrency. It's all down to what details you listed it with as to whether they can say item not as described. If it was listed as screenprint and is in fact a giclee then they are within their rights. Ebay are doing away with Paypal as their primary payment system.
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kalm
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by kalm on May 12, 2018 7:34:42 GMT 1, Here is a solution...donโt be a flipper?
also...eBay owns PayPal.
Here is a solution...donโt be a flipper?
also...eBay owns PayPal.
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Wearology
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Wearology on May 12, 2018 18:47:15 GMT 1, In 2018, eBay announced that after the existing eBay-PayPal agreement ends in 2020, PayPal will remain a payment option for shoppers on eBay, but it wonโt be prominently featured ahead of debit and credit card options as it is today. PayPal will cease to process card payments for eBay at that time.[11]
In 2018, eBay announced that after the existing eBay-PayPal agreement ends in 2020, PayPal will remain a payment option for shoppers on eBay, but it wonโt be prominently featured ahead of debit and credit card options as it is today. PayPal will cease to process card payments for eBay at that time.[11]
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justard
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by justard on Jun 14, 2018 2:47:01 GMT 1, sounds terrible
sounds terrible
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jimbofatz
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by jimbofatz on Jun 14, 2018 23:50:05 GMT 1, Originally only 150 were signed of the 600. But an unknown number of the 600 were slowly being signed over close to 14 years of being on again off again sold out before POW's eventual demise.
So it is possible to find an unsigned version.
Originally only 150 were signed of the 600. But an unknown number of the 600 were slowly being signed over close to 14 years of being on again off again sold out before POW's eventual demise.
So it is possible to find an unsigned version.
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by That Print Guy on Jun 15, 2018 3:49:50 GMT 1, This is a real risk for sellers on eBay. It's especially a problem if a buyer claims an item is inauthentic. The best thing to do is stand your ground with eBay. If you argue enough ebay will fight for you and force the buyer to prove the item is inauthentic by having a professional approved by eBay inspect the item. The idea is that this is an impossible hurdle for the buyer. I ran into this recently with a buyer who picked up a couple of the Jasper Johns ULAE* editions. Come to find out the buyer is a famous director! He insisted the Johns prints were fake even after seeing the same exact print for sale on the ULAE website. He refused to believe they were exactly what I said they were (the origin story is printed directly on the back of these prints), he even threatened to have his friends buy my items solely to leave me negative feedback! I refused his return and eBay backed me up telling him he had to get proof that were fake. It takes some talking with eBay. Some people just have buyers remorse and want you to make up for their mistakes so they abuse the system.
This is a real risk for sellers on eBay. It's especially a problem if a buyer claims an item is inauthentic. The best thing to do is stand your ground with eBay. If you argue enough ebay will fight for you and force the buyer to prove the item is inauthentic by having a professional approved by eBay inspect the item. The idea is that this is an impossible hurdle for the buyer. I ran into this recently with a buyer who picked up a couple of the Jasper Johns ULAE* editions. Come to find out the buyer is a famous director! He insisted the Johns prints were fake even after seeing the same exact print for sale on the ULAE website. He refused to believe they were exactly what I said they were (the origin story is printed directly on the back of these prints), he even threatened to have his friends buy my items solely to leave me negative feedback! I refused his return and eBay backed me up telling him he had to get proof that were fake. It takes some talking with eBay. Some people just have buyers remorse and want you to make up for their mistakes so they abuse the system.
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kaimac
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by kaimac on Jun 15, 2018 4:14:06 GMT 1, I've had people try to rip me off a couple of times on eBay, and both times I've called customer support and spoken to a human, and they looked at the case and decided in my favor. In one instance they had already processed a refund, but they reversed it.
It's kinda shit, but I do understand why they tend to take the buyer's side. There's so many scam artists out there. Giving 'em a call can help.
I've had people try to rip me off a couple of times on eBay, and both times I've called customer support and spoken to a human, and they looked at the case and decided in my favor. In one instance they had already processed a refund, but they reversed it.
It's kinda shit, but I do understand why they tend to take the buyer's side. There's so many scam artists out there. Giving 'em a call can help.
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by lg2771 on Jun 15, 2018 4:38:07 GMT 1, This is a real risk for sellers on eBay. It's especially a problem if a buyer claims an item is inauthentic. The best thing to do is stand your ground with eBay. If you argue enough ebay will fight for you and force the buyer to prove the item is inauthentic by having a professional approved by eBay inspect the item. The idea is that this is an impossible hurdle for the buyer. I ran into this recently with a buyer who picked up a couple of the Jasper Johns UAE editions. Come to find out the buyer is a famous director! He insisted the Johns prints were fake even after seeing the same exact print for sale on the UAE website. He refused to believe they were exactly what I said they were (the origin story is printed directly on the back of these prints), he even threatened to have his friends buy my items solely to leave me negative feedback! I refused his return and eBay backed me up telling him he had to get proof that were fake. It takes some talking with eBay. Some people just have buyers remorse and want you to make up for their mistakes so they abuse the system.
Who was the director?!
This is a real risk for sellers on eBay. It's especially a problem if a buyer claims an item is inauthentic. The best thing to do is stand your ground with eBay. If you argue enough ebay will fight for you and force the buyer to prove the item is inauthentic by having a professional approved by eBay inspect the item. The idea is that this is an impossible hurdle for the buyer. I ran into this recently with a buyer who picked up a couple of the Jasper Johns UAE editions. Come to find out the buyer is a famous director! He insisted the Johns prints were fake even after seeing the same exact print for sale on the UAE website. He refused to believe they were exactly what I said they were (the origin story is printed directly on the back of these prints), he even threatened to have his friends buy my items solely to leave me negative feedback! I refused his return and eBay backed me up telling him he had to get proof that were fake. It takes some talking with eBay. Some people just have buyers remorse and want you to make up for their mistakes so they abuse the system. Who was the director?!
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irl1
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by irl1 on Jun 15, 2018 8:14:13 GMT 1, I've had people try to rip me off a couple of times on eBay, and both times I've called customer support and spoken to a human, and they looked at the case and decided in my favor. In one instance they had already processed a refund, but they reversed it. It's kindas**t, but I do understand why they tend to take the buyer's side. There's so many scam artists out there. Giving 'em a call can help. Please post their user names on ebay so the rest of us won't be scammed thank you
I've had people try to rip me off a couple of times on eBay, and both times I've called customer support and spoken to a human, and they looked at the case and decided in my favor. In one instance they had already processed a refund, but they reversed it. It's kindas**t, but I do understand why they tend to take the buyer's side. There's so many scam artists out there. Giving 'em a call can help. Please post their user names on ebay so the rest of us won't be scammed thank you
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sugar72
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by sugar72 on Jun 15, 2018 20:40:31 GMT 1, eBay is horrible. I abandoned the site months ago. Terrible.
Nothing to do with ebay. Its about yhe individual you deal with
eBay is horrible. I abandoned the site months ago. Terrible. Nothing to do with ebay. Its about yhe individual you deal with
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Poly Mindset
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by Poly Mindset on Jun 15, 2018 23:39:03 GMT 1, eBay is horrible. I abandoned the site months ago. Terrible. Nothing to do with ebay. Its about yhe individual you deal with Wrong! Dead Wrong!! It is about Ebay not knowing what they're doing. They have no clue when it comes to authentication and they're too lazy to investigate what is and isn't real. They just side with the buyer if the buyer has a problem, even if it's not legit. God forbid if you sell some art on Ebay in another country because the case will be decided by Ebay hosted in that country. I personally abandoned Ebay 2 yrs ago. Tried to warn everyone about it back then and it has continued and time and time again members post their woes. I say wisen up and abandon Ebay or at least understand the risks. here was my original post from back in 2016 under "Ebay gives buyers a license to steal"
Do you want some free art. This is how it's done.
1. Find some art for sale on Ebay in another country.
2. The art's authenticity has to be questionable i.e. no COA, questionable signature.
3. Buy the art.
4. When you get it file a claim that it is counterfeit whether it is or not.
5. Have one of your friends in a gallery fictitiously document why it is fake.
6. Ebay will side with you and get you back your money.
7. This is the kicker, in cases of counterfeit art in another country Ebay will not force the buyer to return the art.
8. You get your money back and get to keep the art.
I am putting this out here because this just happened to me to the tune of $2400. I sold a Lichtenstein Leo Castelli signed poster along with a rare Lichtenstein Raisonne' (worth $1800). The buyer claimed and documented that the poster was not authentic. How he did this I do not know as I am not privy to this information. It seemed very authentic to me but I never had it verified. In the end Ebay sided with him, refunded his money, charged my account and is letting him keep both items. In this case Ebay should force the buyer to at least send back the Raisonne' as it was not the point of contention.
I am also putting this out here for all the members on this forum who use Ebay to sell art. Beware of selling to buyers in a country other than your own. It is risky and you will not be backed up by Ebay. As a seller you have very little protection and Ebay will wash their hands of it and not back you up. Good luck and f**k Ebay.
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/136446/ebay-gives-buyer-license-steal#ixzz5IXJeGGsS
eBay is horrible. I abandoned the site months ago. Terrible. Nothing to do with ebay. Its about yhe individual you deal with Wrong! Dead Wrong!! It is about Ebay not knowing what they're doing. They have no clue when it comes to authentication and they're too lazy to investigate what is and isn't real. They just side with the buyer if the buyer has a problem, even if it's not legit. God forbid if you sell some art on Ebay in another country because the case will be decided by Ebay hosted in that country. I personally abandoned Ebay 2 yrs ago. Tried to warn everyone about it back then and it has continued and time and time again members post their woes. I say wisen up and abandon Ebay or at least understand the risks. here was my original post from back in 2016 under "Ebay gives buyers a license to steal" Do you want some free art. This is how it's done. 1. Find some art for sale on Ebay in another country. 2. The art's authenticity has to be questionable i.e. no COA, questionable signature. 3. Buy the art. 4. When you get it file a claim that it is counterfeit whether it is or not. 5. Have one of your friends in a gallery fictitiously document why it is fake. 6. Ebay will side with you and get you back your money. 7. This is the kicker, in cases of counterfeit art in another country Ebay will not force the buyer to return the art. 8. You get your money back and get to keep the art. I am putting this out here because this just happened to me to the tune of $2400. I sold a Lichtenstein Leo Castelli signed poster along with a rare Lichtenstein Raisonne' (worth $1800). The buyer claimed and documented that the poster was not authentic. How he did this I do not know as I am not privy to this information. It seemed very authentic to me but I never had it verified. In the end Ebay sided with him, refunded his money, charged my account and is letting him keep both items. In this case Ebay should force the buyer to at least send back the Raisonne' as it was not the point of contention. I am also putting this out here for all the members on this forum who use Ebay to sell art. Beware of selling to buyers in a country other than your own. It is risky and you will not be backed up by Ebay. As a seller you have very little protection and Ebay will wash their hands of it and not back you up. Good luck and f**k Ebay. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/136446/ebay-gives-buyer-license-steal#ixzz5IXJeGGsS
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NYart
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Selling art on eBay: An unfortunate experience , by NYart on Jun 15, 2018 23:52:25 GMT 1, Although sellers canโt give negative feedback to buyers, you can say whatever you want in the comments. Worth reading through the positive comments for some extra caution
Although sellers canโt give negative feedback to buyers, you can say whatever you want in the comments. Worth reading through the positive comments for some extra caution
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