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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 20:49:59 GMT 1,
Coach I have no doubt there was some extremely hi costs involved in the putting together and running of Dismaland and that has to be recouped somewhere.
Also I agree that there was an opportunity given to us all for a Banksy curated show for next to nothing how ever that isn't my point.
My point is with regards the release of work which now seems to be a closed shop. I stand to be corrected but the last readily made available work to the public was CYW which was over 5 years ago. Evidently the business model has changed.
POW have not really had a business model since they and Banksy parted ways with Laz, which is why everyone else apart from the artist himself will make money from Banksy. It's not how Banksy operates because making money him miserable - ask Damien Hirst (who con-incidentally co-funded Dismaland) who invites Banksy to his Thai holiday home every year only to have to listen to him being uncomfortable about his worth.
( and in reply to an earlier post by you in a different thread, no, it was not Banksy, seriously)
Coach I have no doubt there was some extremely hi costs involved in the putting together and running of Dismaland and that has to be recouped somewhere.
Also I agree that there was an opportunity given to us all for a Banksy curated show for next to nothing how ever that isn't my point.
My point is with regards the release of work which now seems to be a closed shop. I stand to be corrected but the last readily made available work to the public was CYW which was over 5 years ago. Evidently the business model has changed.
POW have not really had a business model since they and Banksy parted ways with Laz, which is why everyone else apart from the artist himself will make money from Banksy. It's not how Banksy operates because making money him miserable - ask Damien Hirst (who con-incidentally co-funded Dismaland) who invites Banksy to his Thai holiday home every year only to have to listen to him being uncomfortable about his worth. Absolute rubbish. ( and in reply to an earlier post by you in a different thread, no, it was not Banksy, seriously) |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by beenrhymin on Feb 16, 2016 21:29:29 GMT 1, saw one of these over the weekend, was surprised when i heard the guy say 2004-5
saw one of these over the weekend, was surprised when i heard the guy say 2004-5
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 16, 2016 21:58:07 GMT 1, Exactly the point I started the thread 2004, really??
Exactly the point I started the thread 2004, really??
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by beenrhymin on Feb 16, 2016 22:14:33 GMT 1, but he made it clear it was purchased at/because of dismaland,,,,,
but he made it clear it was purchased at/because of dismaland,,,,,
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 16, 2016 22:21:41 GMT 1, I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)!
I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)!
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Dice on Feb 16, 2016 23:22:12 GMT 1, I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)!
Probably to avoid backlash over hammering out extra AP's
I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! Probably to avoid backlash over hammering out extra AP's |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Dice on Feb 16, 2016 23:27:35 GMT 1, As an aside there are always interesting banksy prints and originals listed on artnet, check out the FLower thrower white background screen print on paper!
www.artnet.com/search/artworks/?q=Banksy
A catalogue raisonee would be close to impossible I guess with all the bits and bobs that seem to have been produced in the early days...
There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using...
As an aside there are always interesting banksy prints and originals listed on artnet, check out the FLower thrower white background screen print on paper! www.artnet.com/search/artworks/?q=BanksyA catalogue raisonee would be close to impossible I guess with all the bits and bobs that seem to have been produced in the early days... There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using... |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by met on Feb 17, 2016 2:43:14 GMT 1, I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004 Laughable really. I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)!
I'm not sure why you're making an issue here.
One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold.
Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong.
But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related.
I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004 Laughable really. I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! I'm not sure why you're making an issue here. One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold. Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong. But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by met on Feb 17, 2016 3:42:00 GMT 1, I know ... sometimes I feel like my mum, "I just don't get this modern art stuff" she'd say but then again, I do GET lots of art, just maybe don't GET the 'market'. (Sorry to the OP by the way, but if I thought my comments would in any way put off the buyers, I'd make them elsewhere, but I think we're in different worlds, so no probs?) Here's an image that, for me, says nothing ... a girl loses her heart to the breeze, thats not exactly original ... , that I could recreate in one hour or less (I know, I know, it'd just be a copy), that there are 750 exact same copies of, 150 of them signed, so not in any way unique. And, on secondary market, you are not even giving money to the artist so that they can create more art that you love. So, what's left? For me, the only value that I see in it is the investment value. If that is what art is to you, so be it. To me art should speak to my heart, expand my world, start conversation. If I buy a piece of art, of course I hope that it will retain its value, maybe get to be worth more, but really I hope that so I don't get accused of throwing the family's money down the drain, to justify myself to those that say we could have spent that money on a meal out, or a holiday, or on the car, or whatever. So, whether this is worth 15k, 20k, 60k or 80k in the art-market is of no consequence to me. Give me a cheapo WCP any day of the week (but please make it a Rude Copper not this one) I regret that the free & easy world of graffiti & street art has been dragged into this s**t ... remember when it was for fun? for kicks? exciting? when we spoke to each other in paint, not pounds? I go back to my original question (one that I think Banksy understands, given his New York park art stall the other year) ... if you saw this on a market stall, would you stop? If so, what would you expect to see it priced at? Seems like someone is bitter they didn't think of doing this image years ago? It's nothing huge that this mainly sells for a lot of money because it has the name Banksy on it? But hey same could be said about that portrait of a women who's creepy eyes follow me no? That's the art world deal!
This is an oddly aggressive and personal response to kashi's opinions about an art image.
We all have different techniques and outlets for releasing tension during moments of unhappiness or frustration in our lives. Yours may not be the most pleasant to witness, but I acknowledge that venting online is preferable to going home and kicking the dog.
I know ... sometimes I feel like my mum, "I just don't get this modern art stuff" she'd say but then again, I do GET lots of art, just maybe don't GET the 'market'. (Sorry to the OP by the way, but if I thought my comments would in any way put off the buyers, I'd make them elsewhere, but I think we're in different worlds, so no probs?) Here's an image that, for me, says nothing ... a girl loses her heart to the breeze, thats not exactly original ... , that I could recreate in one hour or less (I know, I know, it'd just be a copy), that there are 750 exact same copies of, 150 of them signed, so not in any way unique. And, on secondary market, you are not even giving money to the artist so that they can create more art that you love. So, what's left? For me, the only value that I see in it is the investment value. If that is what art is to you, so be it. To me art should speak to my heart, expand my world, start conversation. If I buy a piece of art, of course I hope that it will retain its value, maybe get to be worth more, but really I hope that so I don't get accused of throwing the family's money down the drain, to justify myself to those that say we could have spent that money on a meal out, or a holiday, or on the car, or whatever. So, whether this is worth 15k, 20k, 60k or 80k in the art-market is of no consequence to me. Give me a cheapo WCP any day of the week (but please make it a Rude Copper not this one) I regret that the free & easy world of graffiti & street art has been dragged into this s**t ... remember when it was for fun? for kicks? exciting? when we spoke to each other in paint, not pounds? I go back to my original question (one that I think Banksy understands, given his New York park art stall the other year) ... if you saw this on a market stall, would you stop? If so, what would you expect to see it priced at? Seems like someone is bitter they didn't think of doing this image years ago? It's nothing huge that this mainly sells for a lot of money because it has the name Banksy on it? But hey same could be said about that portrait of a women who's creepy eyes follow me no? That's the art world deal! This is an oddly aggressive and personal response to kashi's opinions about an art image. We all have different techniques and outlets for releasing tension during moments of unhappiness or frustration in our lives. Yours may not be the most pleasant to witness, but I acknowledge that venting online is preferable to going home and kicking the dog. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 17, 2016 6:15:51 GMT 1, I am merely asking the question. That was the start of this thread,
I am merely asking the question. That was the start of this thread,
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Ruggs on Feb 17, 2016 9:50:54 GMT 1, As an aside there are always interesting banksy prints and originals listed on artnet, check out the FLower thrower white background screen print on paper! www.artnet.com/search/artworks/?q=BanksyA catalogue raisonee would be close to impossible I guess with all the bits and bobs that seem to have been produced in the early days... There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using...
As an aside there are always interesting banksy prints and originals listed on artnet, check out the FLower thrower white background screen print on paper! www.artnet.com/search/artworks/?q=BanksyA catalogue raisonee would be close to impossible I guess with all the bits and bobs that seem to have been produced in the early days... There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using... A catalogue raisonnรฉ wouldn't be impossible in my view. POW/Banksy should and would have catalogued absolutely everything that he has ever published. They would still have a small number of old prints and originals archived away somewhere. I imagine that would also include these GWB A/P's that have recently come to light. They (POW) probably have other prints including the remaining unsold LA set series, Gorilla and an assortment of other rare A/P's that have never seen the light of day. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 10:28:59 GMT 1, I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! Probably to avoid backlash over hammering out extra AP's
With 88 of them stashed away supposedly since 2004 suprised they did not come up for sale earlier ? Or even a few when the signed prints jumped up in price in 2013.
Quite a few rarities on art net
I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! Probably to avoid backlash over hammering out extra AP's With 88 of them stashed away supposedly since 2004 suprised they did not come up for sale earlier ? Or even a few when the signed prints jumped up in price in 2013. Quite a few rarities on art net |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by naughtyshorty on Feb 17, 2016 13:25:44 GMT 1, There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using...
Would love to see one if you could post a link?
There are quite a few festival AP's floating around with a new signature which makes no sense unless they are recently produced. I suppose they could have been sat on for years and just signed recently though. Not sure which 'official' date they're using... Would love to see one if you could post a link? |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 14:01:38 GMT 1, Probably to avoid backlash over hammering out extra AP's With 88 of them stashed away suprised they did not come up for sale earlier ? Or even a few when the signed prints jumped up in price in 2013. Quite a few rarities on art net
www.artnet.com/artists/banksy/grannies-hand-sprayed-a-jnqB4DI4TwZjvtzh9bRlOw2
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Winter on Feb 17, 2016 14:12:54 GMT 1, Has the signature question ever been answered? Old prints new signature, new prints old signature?
Has the signature question ever been answered? Old prints new signature, new prints old signature?
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by gorkie on Feb 17, 2016 14:54:35 GMT 1, I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004 Laughable really. I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! I'm not sure why you're making an issue here. One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold. Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong. But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related.
I have just found out the coa's are dated 2004 Laughable really. I know when they were purchased but why date them 2004? Makes no sense (IMO)! I'm not sure why you're making an issue here. One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold. Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong. But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related. Of course it is just speculation, but I would be absolutely floored if the variant AP colors were published in 2004/2005 when the Reds were. I just cannot imagine this was done back then. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 15:07:25 GMT 1, It's ok if you have had bought prints since original release 2004 but I would be a bit anxious with all these unknown vip prints if bought recently
It's ok if you have had bought prints since original release 2004 but I would be a bit anxious with all these unknown vip prints if bought recently
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by gorkie on Feb 17, 2016 15:11:39 GMT 1, Honestly I don't think anybody with an official Pest Control certified Banksy GWB has too much too be anxious or nervous about at the end of the day no matter what.
Just be happy. And feel lucky. And blessed.
Honestly I don't think anybody with an official Pest Control certified Banksy GWB has too much too be anxious or nervous about at the end of the day no matter what.
Just be happy. And feel lucky. And blessed.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 15:38:46 GMT 1, Honestly I don't think anybody with an official Pest Control certified Banksy GWB has too much too be anxious or nervous about at the end of the day no matter what. Just be happy. And feel lucky. And blessed.
any one would be happy to have a chance to own a print
Anxious part if you paid ยฃ60 k on a print knowing there were only 150 then another 88 turn up then may be another unknown edition turns up , as these are not not officially released , endless printers proofs to test these new colours ways could turn up as with the cyw prints , ok if the sums involved were not so much
Honestly I don't think anybody with an official Pest Control certified Banksy GWB has too much too be anxious or nervous about at the end of the day no matter what. Just be happy. And feel lucky. And blessed. any one would be happy to have a chance to own a print Anxious part if you paid ยฃ60 k on a print knowing there were only 150 then another 88 turn up then may be another unknown edition turns up , as these are not not officially released , endless printers proofs to test these new colours ways could turn up as with the cyw prints , ok if the sums involved were not so much |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by DrWhite on Feb 17, 2016 15:50:02 GMT 1,
I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ
I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 16:53:16 GMT 1, I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ
Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content
So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one
I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by DrWhite on Feb 17, 2016 17:07:53 GMT 1, I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one
This then assumes the owners have purchased secondary ? These were not ยฃ60 at release.
But I take your point any investor losing ยฃ20k would be unhappy - especially if more keep getting printed.
I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one This then assumes the owners have purchased secondary ? These were not ยฃ60 at release. But I take your point any investor losing ยฃ20k would be unhappy - especially if more keep getting printed. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Black Apple Art on Feb 17, 2016 18:13:37 GMT 1, I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one
To have such a microscopic quantity of APs and additional pieces released has only reinforced the values of the earlier pieces. It doesn't take much research to see where the GWB prices have gone since the "newer" APs have surfaced. Can't imagine anyone holding one of these images being anything but elated at the current valuations regardless of when it was purchased. As most have seen that have been here a while, we will always have the usual price complaints and "bubble" theorists, but as each year passes we all look back and think "what a deal that was" and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
As a good friend once told me long ago "Aside from getting caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, expect his achievements and prices to only movie skyward."
I doubt that very many are owned by members here - those that do have them probably aren't stuck for a ยฃยฃยฃ Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one I don't think anyone holding any GWB image with a COA, regular print, AP or original, is much concerned with taking a loss on their piece, or should they be, especially if they are willing to hold it for a bit. True there is a risk of a negative effect from a living artist no matter how small it may be but I'd take Banksy continuing to make creative, thought provoking, intelligent and meticulously calculated moves for sometime to come. To have such a microscopic quantity of APs and additional pieces released has only reinforced the values of the earlier pieces. It doesn't take much research to see where the GWB prices have gone since the "newer" APs have surfaced. Can't imagine anyone holding one of these images being anything but elated at the current valuations regardless of when it was purchased. As most have seen that have been here a while, we will always have the usual price complaints and "bubble" theorists, but as each year passes we all look back and think "what a deal that was" and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As a good friend once told me long ago "Aside from getting caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, expect his achievements and prices to only movie skyward." |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 18:28:32 GMT 1, Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one This then assumes the owners have purchased secondary ? These were not ยฃ60 at release. But I take your point any invested losing ยฃ20k would be unhappy - especially if more keep getting printed.
Meaning secondary market buyers that bought in last 8 months for ยฃ60000 or whatever the signed gwb sells for
Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one This then assumes the owners have purchased secondary ? These were not ยฃ60 at release. But I take your point any invested losing ยฃ20k would be unhappy - especially if more keep getting printed. Meaning secondary market buyers that bought in last 8 months for ยฃ60000 or whatever the signed gwb sells for |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by tab1 on Feb 17, 2016 18:30:09 GMT 1, Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one I don't think anyone holding any GWB image with a COA, regular print, AP or original, is much concerned with taking a loss on their piece, or should they be, especially if they are willing to hold it for a bit.ย True there is a risk of a negative effect from a living artist no matter how small it may be but I'd take Banksy continuing to make creative, thought provoking, intelligent and meticulously calculated moves for sometime to come. To have such a microscopic quantity of APs and additional pieces released has only reinforced the values of the earlier pieces. It doesn't take much research to see where the GWB prices have gone since the "newer" APs have surfaced. Can't imagine anyone holding one of these images being anything but elated at the current valuations regardless of when it was purchased. As most have seen that have been here a while, we will always have the usual price complaints and "bubble" theorists, but as each year passes we all look back and think "what a deal that was" and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As a good friend once told me long ago "Aside from getting caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, expect his achievements and prices to only movie skyward."ย
That said is true to the known aps , but how many more prints and aps are there that the general market do not know of at this time ? Or yet to be released?
Those that do will still be peeved if in the future made a 20k loss in the short term , a lot that buy the vip prints are being advised as an investment ! Not the art content So much can change in the market with a living artist than a deceased one I don't think anyone holding any GWB image with a COA, regular print, AP or original, is much concerned with taking a loss on their piece, or should they be, especially if they are willing to hold it for a bit.ย True there is a risk of a negative effect from a living artist no matter how small it may be but I'd take Banksy continuing to make creative, thought provoking, intelligent and meticulously calculated moves for sometime to come. To have such a microscopic quantity of APs and additional pieces released has only reinforced the values of the earlier pieces. It doesn't take much research to see where the GWB prices have gone since the "newer" APs have surfaced. Can't imagine anyone holding one of these images being anything but elated at the current valuations regardless of when it was purchased. As most have seen that have been here a while, we will always have the usual price complaints and "bubble" theorists, but as each year passes we all look back and think "what a deal that was" and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As a good friend once told me long ago "Aside from getting caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, expect his achievements and prices to only movie skyward."ย That said is true to the known aps , but how many more prints and aps are there that the general market do not know of at this time ? Or yet to be released? |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Dice on Feb 17, 2016 22:23:44 GMT 1, I'm not sure about relative values but one things for sure, the red GWB is the best colour by far
I'm not sure about relative values but one things for sure, the red GWB is the best colour by far
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by met on Feb 17, 2016 22:47:18 GMT 1, I'm not sure why you're making an issue here. One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold. Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong. But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related. Of course it is just speculation, but I would be absolutely floored if the variant AP colors were published in 2004/2005 when the Reds were. I just cannot imagine this was done back then.
I myself would not be floored and can imagine, with ease, this possibly having been done.
My own position is based on different experiences, including having been invited into a storage room years ago. There, among other things, I saw multiple thick stacks of another Banksy image originally released around the same period as Girl with Balloon โ at a time when the printing was being done by POW in-house and at leisure. The image had been test-printed in almost every shade under the sun. Some were also in awful murky browns because the relevant screen hadn't been rinsed between colours.
I'm not sure why you're making an issue here. One would expect artist's proofs to be attributed to the year they were physically created โ as opposed to a different year corresponding to when they were signed or sold. Do you have irrefutable evidence these works were printed at a time other than the year cited on the COAs? If so, then I understand your point and would agree with you that this was wrong. But only the artist's inner circle is likely to have access to such information. And any assumption that the A/Ps were printed in 2014 or 2015 (simply because this is when they first came to light and were released for private sale) would in my view be very unwise, especially when it comes to all things Banksy-related. Of course it is just speculation, but I would be absolutely floored if the variant AP colors were published in 2004/2005 when the Reds were. I just cannot imagine this was done back then. I myself would not be floored and can imagine, with ease, this possibly having been done. My own position is based on different experiences, including having been invited into a storage room years ago. There, among other things, I saw multiple thick stacks of another Banksy image originally released around the same period as Girl with Balloon โ at a time when the printing was being done by POW in-house and at leisure. The image had been test-printed in almost every shade under the sun. Some were also in awful murky browns because the relevant screen hadn't been rinsed between colours. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Pistol on Feb 17, 2016 23:31:47 GMT 1, That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's)
That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's)
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 23:54:23 GMT 1, That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's)
Inflate the price for a standard to 60k then sale all the AP's at half that knowing they will sale stupidly quick and in return a nice few mil for them.
Wouldn't surprise me if they were printed more recent than 2004/5 but probably will
Never know.
there was some grim reaper proof at disma too, I like that one better.
That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's) Probably striking whilst the iron is hot. Inflate the price for a standard to 60k then sale all the AP's at half that knowing they will sale stupidly quick and in return a nice few mil for them. Wouldn't surprise me if they were printed more recent than 2004/5 but probably will Never know. there was some grim reaper proof at disma too, I like that one better. |
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by Sundowner on Feb 18, 2016 8:49:24 GMT 1, That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's)
To fund Dismaland
That's interesting, thanks Met! So if they have been sat there since 2004 I wonder why the release last year? (along with other a/p's) To fund Dismaland |
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