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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by NYart on Nov 16, 2018 21:42:01 GMT 1, Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest.
I have several FF friends, itโs certainly not a bad gig. Lots of time off, benefits, pay, plenty of downtime when at the firehall. But like said above, when the time comes and theyโre in need, they certainly earn every penny.
Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest. I have several FF friends, itโs certainly not a bad gig. Lots of time off, benefits, pay, plenty of downtime when at the firehall. But like said above, when the time comes and theyโre in need, they certainly earn every penny. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 16, 2018 22:11:36 GMT 1, Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest.
In LA county they are bankrupting us with some receiving compensation more than county doctors and surgeons. Fact. They are paid enough.
www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-county-fire-overtime-20181021-story.html%3foutputType=amp
I rather see the money go to the thousands of folks who have little and lost all.
I'm bored and sick of the they jump to our rescue therefore 300,000 per year compensation isn't a problem. Sorry
Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest. In LA county they are bankrupting us with some receiving compensation more than county doctors and surgeons. Fact. They are paid enough. www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-county-fire-overtime-20181021-story.html%3foutputType=ampI rather see the money go to the thousands of folks who have little and lost all. I'm bored and sick of the they jump to our rescue therefore 300,000 per year compensation isn't a problem. Sorry |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Chris JL on Nov 17, 2018 11:04:00 GMT 1, I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest. In LA county they are bankrupting us with some receiving compensation more than county doctors and surgeons. Fact. They are paid enough. www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-county-fire-overtime-20181021-story.html%3foutputType=ampI rather see the money go to the thousands of folks who have little and lost all. I'm bored and sick of the they jump to our rescue therefore 300,000 per year compensation isn't a problem. Sorry
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh.
They literally put (their own) skin in the game.
I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs & wouldnโt have the bol**cks to do the job of a FF. In disasters of past, 9/11 , Grenfell Tower, these are the people who risk their lives to save others - and have been rightfully praised for it i think itโs a small touch from him to be honest. In LA county they are bankrupting us with some receiving compensation more than county doctors and surgeons. Fact. They are paid enough. www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-county-fire-overtime-20181021-story.html%3foutputType=ampI rather see the money go to the thousands of folks who have little and lost all. I'm bored and sick of the they jump to our rescue therefore 300,000 per year compensation isn't a problem. Sorry I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by rodgro on Nov 17, 2018 12:45:25 GMT 1, I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game.
I completely agree with Chris JL. Itโs unfair to compare emergency based civil servants to other civil servant jobs with regard to overtime pay or to make blanket statements that they make more than surgeons, etc without fully analyzing data and understanding factors such as the amount of overtime required to fight out of control fires that are burning 10โs of thousands of acres and destroying countless structures. What the article doesnโt mention is that these people are working hundreds of hours of overtime to save lives and in some cases the firefighters are the very ones who have lost everything too as while they were working to save others homes their homes were lost. The point Iโm trying to make here is that these people who put their very lives on the line desrvevor gratitude. In simplest terms...if the fires we all see on the news every night didnโt exist than neither would the overtime needed to fight them. Just curious, for those of you opposed to firefighters being compensated for overtime...do you have a job? If so, if you are scheduled to work 40 hours a week and an emergency forces you to work double or triple your scheduled would you expect to be compensated? If so, how much? And if that emergency work meant that you could die doing it does that change your earlier answer? Just things to consider. Ok, now everyone back to bashing MBW because a movie told us he didnโt put his time in and earn his right to be in the club.
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I completely agree with Chris JL. Itโs unfair to compare emergency based civil servants to other civil servant jobs with regard to overtime pay or to make blanket statements that they make more than surgeons, etc without fully analyzing data and understanding factors such as the amount of overtime required to fight out of control fires that are burning 10โs of thousands of acres and destroying countless structures. What the article doesnโt mention is that these people are working hundreds of hours of overtime to save lives and in some cases the firefighters are the very ones who have lost everything too as while they were working to save others homes their homes were lost. The point Iโm trying to make here is that these people who put their very lives on the line desrvevor gratitude. In simplest terms...if the fires we all see on the news every night didnโt exist than neither would the overtime needed to fight them. Just curious, for those of you opposed to firefighters being compensated for overtime...do you have a job? If so, if you are scheduled to work 40 hours a week and an emergency forces you to work double or triple your scheduled would you expect to be compensated? If so, how much? And if that emergency work meant that you could die doing it does that change your earlier answer? Just things to consider. Ok, now everyone back to bashing MBW because a movie told us he didnโt put his time in and earn his right to be in the club. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by natstan on Nov 17, 2018 13:41:09 GMT 1, Thatโs called brand consistency...  What's with "We are not responsible for damaged, stolen, or lost orders." They choose, organise and pay the courier so if anyone is responsible to deal with damaged, stolen or lost orders surely it must be them. Fairly sure Paypal would side with the buyer if that became an issue? I'd like to think if I was paying $2500 for a piece of paper that the person sending it had atleast a modicum of care as to how it arrived, and whether it arrived at all. Forget it They don't give a s**tย They keep the same s**t strategy throughout their business model from s**t art to s**t customer service
Thatโs called brand consistency... What's with "We are not responsible for damaged, stolen, or lost orders." They choose, organise and pay the courier so if anyone is responsible to deal with damaged, stolen or lost orders surely it must be them. Fairly sure Paypal would side with the buyer if that became an issue? I'd like to think if I was paying $2500 for a piece of paper that the person sending it had atleast a modicum of care as to how it arrived, and whether it arrived at all. Forget it They don't give a s**tย They keep the same s**t strategy throughout their business model from s**t art to s**t customer service |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by NYart on Nov 17, 2018 15:49:23 GMT 1, Considering the cost of living in LA too, realistically, that 300k that they have to work a ton of overtime for, isnt having them live lavishly. That same salary here in western New York, would certainly be excessive. They could afford a mansion on the lake.
Considering the cost of living in LA too, realistically, that 300k that they have to work a ton of overtime for, isnt having them live lavishly. That same salary here in western New York, would certainly be excessive. They could afford a mansion on the lake.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by stuckeyc on Nov 17, 2018 15:58:04 GMT 1, Yeah but probably couldnt pay the taxes on said mansion
Yeah but probably couldnt pay the taxes on said mansion
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d.r. perseus
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 17, 2018 18:13:37 GMT 1, I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game.
I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening.
Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge.
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Chris JL on Nov 17, 2018 18:19:21 GMT 1, I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge.
Tried but something is going wrong...
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. Tried but something is going wrong... |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 17, 2018 18:35:18 GMT 1, Weird. It works for me.
The title is "L.A. County firefighters earn massive overtime pay, busting budgets and raising questions"
LA Times
Sorry but I'm making you do homework now. If you didn't read it I wouldn't blame ya
Weird. It works for me.
The title is "L.A. County firefighters earn massive overtime pay, busting budgets and raising questions"
LA Times
Sorry but I'm making you do homework now. If you didn't read it I wouldn't blame ya
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by rodgro on Nov 17, 2018 18:38:42 GMT 1, I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge.
I did read the article and I think you should perhaps read beyond a single article and understand that some of these people they refer to are literally working and sleeping and nothing else for weeks on end. I think itโs fun for the article to compare the percentages to police officers but itโs not apples to apples. Now if there were riots and the police force was forced to work overtime for weeks on end than that would be a fair comparison. Iโm not suggesting that people canโt game the system but the FACT thatโs being overlooked is that the time and effort it takes to fight these historic fires could not have been budgeted for but someone has to fight them and those resources arenโt free.
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. I did read the article and I think you should perhaps read beyond a single article and understand that some of these people they refer to are literally working and sleeping and nothing else for weeks on end. I think itโs fun for the article to compare the percentages to police officers but itโs not apples to apples. Now if there were riots and the police force was forced to work overtime for weeks on end than that would be a fair comparison. Iโm not suggesting that people canโt game the system but the FACT thatโs being overlooked is that the time and effort it takes to fight these historic fires could not have been budgeted for but someone has to fight them and those resources arenโt free. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by tuftynuts on Nov 17, 2018 22:33:40 GMT 1, I just don't get the hate for Brainwash. There are many, many derivative artists out there - and on this forum - and Brainwash is a long way from being the worst of them. Yet nobody slags the others off. Perhaps it's because MBW has created himself a market. However you look at what he's done, and whatever you think of his work, that has to be admired.
I just don't get the hate for Brainwash. There are many, many derivative artists out there - and on this forum - and Brainwash is a long way from being the worst of them. Yet nobody slags the others off. Perhaps it's because MBW has created himself a market. However you look at what he's done, and whatever you think of his work, that has to be admired.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by .dappy on Nov 17, 2018 22:51:21 GMT 1, I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge.
... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ...
... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ...
... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ...
... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ...
I used to be a trader, and I make part of my living by teaching finance at a top school, and I nevertheless see nothing wrong in having people that risk their life to save other people make as much as junior traders starting salaries tbh. They literally put (their own) skin in the game. I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. ... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ... ... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ... ... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ... ... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ... |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 18, 2018 0:08:47 GMT 1, I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. ... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ... ... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ... ... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ... ... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ...
The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse.
We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense.
I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included).
I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. ... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ... ... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ... ... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ... ... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ... The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse. We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense. I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included). |
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d.r. perseus
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 18, 2018 0:11:54 GMT 1, I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. I did read the article and I think you should perhaps read beyond a single article and understand that some of these people they refer to are literally working and sleeping and nothing else for weeks on end. I think itโs fun for the article to compare the percentages to police officers but itโs not apples to apples. Now if there were riots and the police force was forced to work overtime for weeks on end than that would be a fair comparison. Iโm not suggesting that people canโt game the system but the FACT thatโs being overlooked is that the time and effort it takes to fight these historic fires could not have been budgeted for but someone has to fight them and those resources arenโt free.
It's not overlooked. The problem in the county has been ongoing for 20 plus years. As a resident here of 40 years I not going by one article as an aside. Another side note and as also been a problem is when this guys go to other regions and states to fight fires I as a LA resident is footing the bill. That shouldn't be the case.
I think perhaps you should red the article. They are abusing the system, with on average their income is 30% OT. Police, 6%. Some guys "working" the equivalent of 6 days a week For 365 days. . You know that's not happening. Pay them well. Don't abuse the system and except me to cheerleader as they hide beneath a badge. I did read the article and I think you should perhaps read beyond a single article and understand that some of these people they refer to are literally working and sleeping and nothing else for weeks on end. I think itโs fun for the article to compare the percentages to police officers but itโs not apples to apples. Now if there were riots and the police force was forced to work overtime for weeks on end than that would be a fair comparison. Iโm not suggesting that people canโt game the system but the FACT thatโs being overlooked is that the time and effort it takes to fight these historic fires could not have been budgeted for but someone has to fight them and those resources arenโt free. It's not overlooked. The problem in the county has been ongoing for 20 plus years. As a resident here of 40 years I not going by one article as an aside. Another side note and as also been a problem is when this guys go to other regions and states to fight fires I as a LA resident is footing the bill. That shouldn't be the case. |
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NYart
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by NYart on Nov 18, 2018 4:29:33 GMT 1, I just don't get the hate for Brainwash. There are many, many derivative artists out there - and on this forum - and Brainwash is a long way from being the worst of them. Yet nobody slags the others off. Perhaps it's because Mr Brainwash has created himself a market. However you look at what he's done, and whatever you think of his work, that has to be admired.
You have watched Exit Through the Gift Shop right? Banksy created Mr Brainwashโs career and market. He did nothing to start his career, promote it, develop it, and likely does little production besides hand finishing/signing.
I just don't get the hate for Brainwash. There are many, many derivative artists out there - and on this forum - and Brainwash is a long way from being the worst of them. Yet nobody slags the others off. Perhaps it's because Mr Brainwash has created himself a market. However you look at what he's done, and whatever you think of his work, that has to be admired. You have watched Exit Through the Gift Shop right? Banksy created Mr Brainwashโs career and market. He did nothing to start his career, promote it, develop it, and likely does little production besides hand finishing/signing. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by rodgro on Nov 18, 2018 8:36:33 GMT 1, ... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ... ... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ... ... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ... ... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ... The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse. We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense. I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included).
Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits
... also they are not working 6/7 days a week ... it is the 'equivalent' ... it is actually less than then the 6/7 days per week quoted as they are paid 1.5 times rate for the overtime, ie equivalent ... ... the other fact is that they actually probably need to shut Fire Stations ... but which elected mayor in each county is going to canvas on that ticket? ... there are very few domestic fires these days: better electrics, safer appliances (tumble dryers excluded), far less use of deep/oil fat fryers, fire retardant furniture, people smoking less and not in their bedrooms etc etc ... ... fire stations are still manned 24/7 and there is a shortage of staff ... O/T is a fact of life for the service to keep the cover ... ... the actual fighting of forest fires is not the main cause of the 'excessive' costs quoted ... The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse. We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense. I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included). Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 18, 2018 20:21:34 GMT 1, The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse. We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense. I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included). Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits
Wtf? Nowhere did I say that. You just argued about a non point then dipped out. Slow clap.
Second, budget deficits have close to zero to do with the wildfire.
Any thing else scarecrow?
The OT cost of some of the people referenced is accounting for the 1.5 time so yes, some of the people are "working" the equivalent of paid 6 days a week 365. It's egregious abuse. We have had a shortage in the county no doubt going on 20 plus years. I can also say there is no shortage of people that want the job therefore pretending these guys by necessity have to work as long as this is nonsense. I get not comparing it to police but that gap is disconcerting while they continuously raise our taxes for I would argue is non- service (down time not included). Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits Wtf? Nowhere did I say that. You just argued about a non point then dipped out. Slow clap. Second, budget deficits have close to zero to do with the wildfire. Any thing else scarecrow? |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by rodgro on Nov 19, 2018 1:33:34 GMT 1, Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits Wtf? Nowhere did I say that. You just argued about a non point then dipped out. Slow clap. Second, budget deficits have close to zero to do with the wildfire. Any thing else scarecrow?
How did I know you were going to start with the insults. You may want to re read the string as my statement was in regard to an exact quote of what was said. With regard to bowing out, itโs the only play with guys like you as common sense and logic doesnโt work so continuing a conversation is futile. Listen mate, Iโm sure youโre a good guy, we just have different ideas. You believe yours and Iโll believe mine as Iโm not looking to have a beef with a fellow collector.
Ummm, wow! Not sure where to go with that...did you really just say that firehouses should be shut down and/or not manned 24/7 because there arenโt as many domestic fires anymore because โpeople are smoking less and not in their bedsโ? Hereโs a news flash for you! Fireman and fire houses do more than just put of fires. They are also EMTโs, etc and respond to car accidents, medical emergencies, etc. so the rationale that fireman arenโt needed anymore because domestic fires are down, if that is even a fact, is ill informed at best and idiotic at worst. With that, Iโm going to bow out of this conversation, wish you the best and hope that your or your families home is not in the path of any of these fires that are primarily responsible for the budget deficits Wtf? Nowhere did I say that. You just argued about a non point then dipped out. Slow clap. Second, budget deficits have close to zero to do with the wildfire. Any thing else scarecrow? How did I know you were going to start with the insults. You may want to re read the string as my statement was in regard to an exact quote of what was said. With regard to bowing out, itโs the only play with guys like you as common sense and logic doesnโt work so continuing a conversation is futile. Listen mate, Iโm sure youโre a good guy, we just have different ideas. You believe yours and Iโll believe mine as Iโm not looking to have a beef with a fellow collector. |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by d.r. perseus on Nov 19, 2018 2:05:36 GMT 1, Scarecrow = strawman argument
I didn't suggest at any time closing firehouses, decreasing jobs, not having firehouses manned etc etc
Scarecrow = strawman argument
I didn't suggest at any time closing firehouses, decreasing jobs, not having firehouses manned etc etc
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by rambo901 on Nov 19, 2018 18:47:50 GMT 1, Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs
I think my decimal point is in the wrong place mate
Tone def. it's not LA county firefighters that will benefit from the donations, it's the people who lost everything. The FF are handsomely compensated here. *hole I think youโre wrong - most of us on here sit in our chilled 6 figure office jobs I think my decimal point is in the wrong place mate |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Masong on Dec 21, 2018 0:36:14 GMT 1,
You may mock but youโre clearly on his mailing list ๐
You may mock but youโre clearly on his mailing list ๐ |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Fast Eddie on Dec 21, 2018 2:29:14 GMT 1, I second a motion to remove Mr.Brainwash from the list of urban and street artists on this forum. You had a good run Thierry, but this is enough.
I second a motion to remove Mr.Brainwash from the list of urban and street artists on this forum. You had a good run Thierry, but this is enough.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by lg2771 on Dec 21, 2018 3:40:37 GMT 1, Itโs sad because if you like comic books these are actually really cool. Just not worth 800. Maybe 150.
Itโs sad because if you like comic books these are actually really cool. Just not worth 800. Maybe 150.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by irl1 on Dec 21, 2018 9:18:24 GMT 1, You may mock but youโre clearly on his mailing list ๐
You may mock but youโre clearly on his mailing list ๐ He's on mine |
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by spaceboiiii on Dec 21, 2018 12:08:08 GMT 1, Most beautiful print I've ever seen. Would love to have this hanging on my wall so people can see my love for Aquaman and great taste for art.
Most beautiful print I've ever seen. Would love to have this hanging on my wall so people can see my love for Aquaman and great taste for art.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Everyone Owes on Dec 21, 2018 12:36:09 GMT 1, You are joking right?
You are joking right?
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 13:52:16 GMT 1, I second a motion to remove Mr.Brainwash from the list of urban and street artists on this forum. You had a good run Thierry, but this is enough.
I second a motion to remove Mr.Brainwash from the list of urban and street artists on this forum. You had a good run Thierry, but this is enough. Bore off Eddie |
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