ditisdeleven
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by ditisdeleven on Sept 2, 2018 13:52:23 GMT 1, According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist.
While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami.
However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point...
According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist.
While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami.
However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point...
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papirflyene
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by papirflyene on Sept 2, 2018 14:43:43 GMT 1, Tiger, rhino, polarbear, elephant, horse, zebra, butterfly and so on, all bombed.
Dan Witz for example have his hummingbirds, but also his lamp studies, concert studies and more. Hirst and Murakami also have different works taking them out of their signature styles with dots and flowers. Whatson when doing something else is bombing a tree, a dress, a face, a wall, you get the picture. Decorative yes some might say, but not very creative. His signature(the same with SC) has been too much of his work. One could ask the question if this is it, are they afraid of not selling out(pling!) if they take another direction. Sandras cheapest print on the second hand market, at least in Norway, is La Cage Et Le Pouvoir Des Dieux where the model is a girl with African origins and not her usual white supermodel look. Personally I think that both Whatson and Chevrier had some good ideas, but when all new that comes out of their production is the same olยดsame olยดone gets tired of it. My opinion is an artist need to evolve. Except Evol who can just keep on producing his apartment buildings.
Tiger, rhino, polarbear, elephant, horse, zebra, butterfly and so on, all bombed.
Dan Witz for example have his hummingbirds, but also his lamp studies, concert studies and more. Hirst and Murakami also have different works taking them out of their signature styles with dots and flowers. Whatson when doing something else is bombing a tree, a dress, a face, a wall, you get the picture. Decorative yes some might say, but not very creative. His signature(the same with SC) has been too much of his work. One could ask the question if this is it, are they afraid of not selling out(pling!) if they take another direction. Sandras cheapest print on the second hand market, at least in Norway, is La Cage Et Le Pouvoir Des Dieux where the model is a girl with African origins and not her usual white supermodel look. Personally I think that both Whatson and Chevrier had some good ideas, but when all new that comes out of their production is the same olยดsame olยดone gets tired of it. My opinion is an artist need to evolve. Except Evol who can just keep on producing his apartment buildings.
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shy
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by shy on Sept 2, 2018 22:37:35 GMT 1, Sandra has worked very hard to build a solid clientele and to grow as an artist. She deserves more credit than what most are giving her. Granted, some of us were not fond of her new sculptures, but they are prices very well and have been selling well. Already sold out of both Black sculptures.
Wishing Sandra continued success, she is a very nice and honest person and she works very hard at her craft.
Sandra has worked very hard to build a solid clientele and to grow as an artist. She deserves more credit than what most are giving her. Granted, some of us were not fond of her new sculptures, but they are prices very well and have been selling well. Already sold out of both Black sculptures.
Wishing Sandra continued success, she is a very nice and honest person and she works very hard at her craft.
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Hairbland
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Hairbland on Sept 2, 2018 22:41:39 GMT 1, Sandra has worked very hard to build a solid clientele and to grow as an artist. She deserves more credit than what most are giving her. Granted, some of us were not fond of her new sculptures, but they are prices very well and have been selling well. Already sold out of both Black sculptures. Wishing Sandra continued success, she is a very nice and honest person and she works very hard at her craft.
Your defense of Sandra's sculpture in the Sandra thread is more than enough and not relevant to this thread.
Sandra has worked very hard to build a solid clientele and to grow as an artist. She deserves more credit than what most are giving her. Granted, some of us were not fond of her new sculptures, but they are prices very well and have been selling well. Already sold out of both Black sculptures. Wishing Sandra continued success, she is a very nice and honest person and she works very hard at her craft. Your defense of Sandra's sculpture in the Sandra thread is more than enough and not relevant to this thread. |
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Hairbland
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Hairbland on Sept 2, 2018 22:48:21 GMT 1, According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist. While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami. However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point...
Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories.
I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences.
According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist. While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami. However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point... Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories. I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences. |
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shy
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by shy on Sept 3, 2018 10:28:03 GMT 1, Hard to compare Hirst and Murakami to Sandra at this juncture in her career. One should only hope that Sandra climbs to Hirst status. As Damien Hirst is an icon. He is a Major Blue Chip artist... His original works are untouchable price wise for any average collector.
Hard to compare Hirst and Murakami to Sandra at this juncture in her career. One should only hope that Sandra climbs to Hirst status. As Damien Hirst is an icon. He is a Major Blue Chip artist... His original works are untouchable price wise for any average collector.
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 3, 2018 12:21:31 GMT 1, Hirst just steals other artists good ideas. And all the fanboys fall in line because of $$$$ and getting pumped by the big players.
Hirst just steals other artists good ideas. And all the fanboys fall in line because of $$$$ and getting pumped by the big players.
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Happy Shopper on Sept 3, 2018 12:29:44 GMT 1, Lots of artists repeat a theme, especially when something becomes popular and they find they can make some money from it, but the difference in my mind is knowing whether that theme is all they have, or just one part of a broader spectrum of work.
Lots of artists repeat a theme, especially when something becomes popular and they find they can make some money from it, but the difference in my mind is knowing whether that theme is all they have, or just one part of a broader spectrum of work.
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Coach on Sept 3, 2018 12:41:54 GMT 1, Lots of artists repeat a theme, especially when something becomes popular and they find they can make some money from it, but the difference in my mind is knowing whether that theme is all they have, or just one part of a broader spectrum of work.
I think thatโs a very reasonable position to take.
No doubt if artists find something that sells well, they will exploit it. The vast majority of artists are not rich and famous, have bills to pay and food to buy. So, who can blame them. Good artists will, as you say, try new things, develop their work, and take some risks. But if that doesnโt sell, and they are endeavouring to make a living, why wouldnโt they revert back to that which they know is popular?
I suppose that there are questions of artistic integrity; if an artist is creating work that would not be their first choice to do. But that is an issue for the artist to consider, bearing in mind his or her need to make a living, which will usually be paramount.
Iโm rambling now, so will stop!
Lots of artists repeat a theme, especially when something becomes popular and they find they can make some money from it, but the difference in my mind is knowing whether that theme is all they have, or just one part of a broader spectrum of work. I think thatโs a very reasonable position to take. No doubt if artists find something that sells well, they will exploit it. The vast majority of artists are not rich and famous, have bills to pay and food to buy. So, who can blame them. Good artists will, as you say, try new things, develop their work, and take some risks. But if that doesnโt sell, and they are endeavouring to make a living, why wouldnโt they revert back to that which they know is popular? I suppose that there are questions of artistic integrity; if an artist is creating work that would not be their first choice to do. But that is an issue for the artist to consider, bearing in mind his or her need to make a living, which will usually be paramount. Iโm rambling now, so will stop! |
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Coach on Sept 3, 2018 13:20:09 GMT 1, I think thatโs a very reasonable position to take. No doubt if artists find something that sells well, they will exploit it. The vast majority of artists are not rich and famous, have bills to pay and food to buy. So, who can blame them. Good artists will, as you say, try new things, develop their work, and take some risks. But if that doesnโt sell, and they are endeavouring to make a living, why wouldnโt they revert back to that which they know is popular? I suppose that there are questions of artistic integrity; if an artist is creating work that would not be their first choice to do. But that is an issue for the artist to consider, bearing in mind his or her need to make a living, which will usually be paramount. Iโm rambling now, so will stop! People who make art โto make a livingโ are not artists in my book, theyโre manufacturing products. I think Eno put it very well: โArt is anything you donโt have to doโ.
Seriously?
So how are they to pay bills and buy food?
I know a lot of artists have other jobs, but I believe many, if not most, would like to get to the point where they can give those up and earn a living from their art.
If artists that make a living from their art are not artists, as you suggest, this leaves the tittle to the rich who donโt need to work and those that are artists in their spare time. Is that right? Itโs not my view, I have to say.
I think thatโs a very reasonable position to take. No doubt if artists find something that sells well, they will exploit it. The vast majority of artists are not rich and famous, have bills to pay and food to buy. So, who can blame them. Good artists will, as you say, try new things, develop their work, and take some risks. But if that doesnโt sell, and they are endeavouring to make a living, why wouldnโt they revert back to that which they know is popular? I suppose that there are questions of artistic integrity; if an artist is creating work that would not be their first choice to do. But that is an issue for the artist to consider, bearing in mind his or her need to make a living, which will usually be paramount. Iโm rambling now, so will stop! People who make art โto make a livingโ are not artists in my book, theyโre manufacturing products. I think Eno put it very well: โArt is anything you donโt have to doโ. Seriously? So how are they to pay bills and buy food? I know a lot of artists have other jobs, but I believe many, if not most, would like to get to the point where they can give those up and earn a living from their art. If artists that make a living from their art are not artists, as you suggest, this leaves the tittle to the rich who donโt need to work and those that are artists in their spare time. Is that right? Itโs not my view, I have to say. |
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Coach on Sept 3, 2018 13:38:37 GMT 1, Seriously? So how are they to pay bills and buy food? I know a lot of artists have other jobs, but I believe many, if not most, would like to get to the point where they can give those up and earn a living from their art. If artists that make a living from their art are not artists, as you suggest, this leaves the tittle to the rich who donโt need to work and those that are artists in their spare time. Is that right? Itโs not my view, I have to say. I didnโt say โartists that make a living from their art are not artistsโ.
Ok, may have been sloppy reading on my part. You are saying that if the motivation to create art is just to make a living, they arenโt artists? If the motivation is the creation of the art, and they happen to be able to make a living from it, then they are?
Seriously? So how are they to pay bills and buy food? I know a lot of artists have other jobs, but I believe many, if not most, would like to get to the point where they can give those up and earn a living from their art. If artists that make a living from their art are not artists, as you suggest, this leaves the tittle to the rich who donโt need to work and those that are artists in their spare time. Is that right? Itโs not my view, I have to say. I didnโt say โartists that make a living from their art are not artistsโ. Ok, may have been sloppy reading on my part. You are saying that if the motivation to create art is just to make a living, they arenโt artists? If the motivation is the creation of the art, and they happen to be able to make a living from it, then they are? |
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NYart
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by NYart on Sept 3, 2018 14:26:00 GMT 1, Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little
Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little
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shy
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by shy on Sept 3, 2018 15:33:40 GMT 1, Hirst just steals other artists good ideas. And all the fanboys fall in line because of $$$$ and getting pumped by the big players.
Ed Ruscha (Ala Mark Twain) said it best:
The Ancients Stole all our great ideas!
Hirst just steals other artists good ideas. And all the fanboys fall in line because of $$$$ and getting pumped by the big players. throughout the ages, every idea (except the original idea) has lead to another and another Ed Ruscha (Ala Mark Twain) said it best: The Ancients Stole all our great ideas! |
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gd79
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by gd79 on Sept 3, 2018 15:41:01 GMT 1, Busy day shy?
Busy day shy?
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shy
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by shy on Sept 3, 2018 16:12:49 GMT 1, Naw, slow hot summer... but always like to chill and visit this amazing forum.
Have made any new friends 
Naw, slow hot summer... but always like to chill and visit this amazing forum. Have made any new friends |
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irl1
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by irl1 on Sept 3, 2018 17:00:17 GMT 1, Anything bar the Hirst chat will do. shy stay away from those Hirst tablets
Anything bar the Hirst chat will do. shy stay away from those Hirst tablets |
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Chris JL
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Chris JL on Sept 3, 2018 17:01:28 GMT 1, In defence of the one-trick-ponies, I always think of Modigliani... and yes, he largely "stole" his signature imagery too (but that's how art, of any form, actually works: Ariosto had explained it already 500 years ago, but many apparently haven't caught up with this yet).
But then again, according to Picasso his best artistic qualities started and ended in his wardrobe...
And in defence of artists-to-make-a-living-out-of-it, Hemingway's own confessions come to mind: he mostly wrote to pay the bills, but that did not preempt him from being one of the greatest writers of the XX century (and obviously a misogynistic macho p*ick)
I personally think that the OP question is ill posed - "exploiting" one's success as an artist is as old, and legitimate, a practice as marketable art itself. Even Leonardo knowingly did it and honestly wrote about it, while Warhol made marketing an art in itself, and let's not mention Caravaggio - literally a scammer, and one of his greatest works (The Seven Works of Mercy) was actually born out of a scam itself (and it "steals" most of its key ideas from previous works by other authors).
For an artist, the real crime is not "exploiting" but rather being dull and uninteresting - and some of the artists mentioned by the OP have definitively got there (but hopefully will move on - time is still on their side).
In defence of the one-trick-ponies, I always think of Modigliani... and yes, he largely "stole" his signature imagery too (but that's how art, of any form, actually works: Ariosto had explained it already 500 years ago, but many apparently haven't caught up with this yet).
But then again, according to Picasso his best artistic qualities started and ended in his wardrobe...
And in defence of artists-to-make-a-living-out-of-it, Hemingway's own confessions come to mind: he mostly wrote to pay the bills, but that did not preempt him from being one of the greatest writers of the XX century (and obviously a misogynistic macho p*ick)
I personally think that the OP question is ill posed - "exploiting" one's success as an artist is as old, and legitimate, a practice as marketable art itself. Even Leonardo knowingly did it and honestly wrote about it, while Warhol made marketing an art in itself, and let's not mention Caravaggio - literally a scammer, and one of his greatest works (The Seven Works of Mercy) was actually born out of a scam itself (and it "steals" most of its key ideas from previous works by other authors).
For an artist, the real crime is not "exploiting" but rather being dull and uninteresting - and some of the artists mentioned by the OP have definitively got there (but hopefully will move on - time is still on their side).
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sonmi451
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by sonmi451 on Sept 3, 2018 17:06:49 GMT 1, According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist. While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami. However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point... Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories. I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences.
I think the biggest revelation in this thread is that Sandra showed at a Poke restaurant?
According to a discussion last week about Sandra Chevrierโs latest release, I was wondering how you guys build up your opinion about an artist. While Sandra Chevrier is blamed for doing the same trick over and over, and with her a lot of other artists (Martin Whatson for instance, who gets the same criticism), there seems te be a lot of artists with a sort of repetive expression as well, who getโs far more appreciation. For instance Damien Hirst (with his spot paintings) or Murakami. However I kind of like them all, how would you guys explain this? Maybe Iโm missing some point... Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories. I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences. I think the biggest revelation in this thread is that Sandra showed at a Poke restaurant? |
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Extra Ball
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Extra Ball on Sept 3, 2018 17:16:35 GMT 1,
and that's art?
and that's art? |
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andi
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by andi on Sept 3, 2018 20:32:02 GMT 1, Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!):
- Kaws: toy figures with X eyes
- Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil
- Daniel Arsham: future relics
- Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes
- Invader: pixel things
- Harland Miller: book covers
- Nick Smith: tiles
- Ben Eine: letters
- Stik: doodles
- Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging
- D*Face: comics of dead people
- Pure Evil: crying super stars
- Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, ....
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!):
- Kaws: toy figures with X eyes
- Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil
- Daniel Arsham: future relics
- Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes
- Invader: pixel things
- Harland Miller: book covers
- Nick Smith: tiles
- Ben Eine: letters
- Stik: doodles
- Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging
- D*Face: comics of dead people
- Pure Evil: crying super stars
- Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, ....
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Coach on Sept 3, 2018 21:53:09 GMT 1, Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, ....
Just for the sake of accuracy, Nick Smith uses pantones rather than tiles.
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, .... Just for the sake of accuracy, Nick Smith uses pantones rather than tiles. |
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Extra Ball
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Extra Ball on Sept 3, 2018 22:02:45 GMT 1, Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, .... Just for the sake of accuracy, Nick Smith uses pantones rather than tiles.
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, .... Just for the sake of accuracy, Nick Smith uses pantones rather than tiles. all this raises the question of whether street or urban artists should be considered as such. is this movement already mature? |
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 3, 2018 23:43:55 GMT 1, Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little
Babksy sells little?
Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no?
Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little Babksy sells little? Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no? |
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NYart
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by NYart on Sept 4, 2018 1:21:58 GMT 1, Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little Babksy sells little? Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no?
I mean I could be wrong but Iโd have to believe that more would leak in terms of images if that were the case. Who doesnโt show off on Instagram or Facebook these days. We know about what, dumbo, gwb variants, think if there were more weโd know.
Koons is in my opinion the most guilty, Hirst definitely up there. On the other page Iโd say Banksy is exploiting his success the least. Works hard and sells little Babksy sells little? Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no? I mean I could be wrong but Iโd have to believe that more would leak in terms of images if that were the case. Who doesnโt show off on Instagram or Facebook these days. We know about what, dumbo, gwb variants, think if there were more weโd know. |
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 4, 2018 3:38:59 GMT 1, Babksy sells little? Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no? I mean I could be wrong but Iโd have to believe that more would leak in terms of images if that were the case. Who doesnโt show off on Instagram or Facebook these days. We know about what, dumbo, Girl With Balloon variants, think if there were more weโd know.
Yeah that might be true.
But it could also be he sells to super discrete rich collectors. I don't see many people showing off there van goghs or cezannes on Instagram...
Babksy sells little? Who actually knows how much he sells. It appears he makes millions on VIP sales though no? I mean I could be wrong but Iโd have to believe that more would leak in terms of images if that were the case. Who doesnโt show off on Instagram or Facebook these days. We know about what, dumbo, Girl With Balloon variants, think if there were more weโd know. Yeah that might be true. But it could also be he sells to super discrete rich collectors. I don't see many people showing off there van goghs or cezannes on Instagram... |
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Carl Cashman
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Carl Cashman on Sept 4, 2018 7:00:04 GMT 1,
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, ....
A lot of those fall Into a trade mark style, rather than milking.
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, .... A lot of those fall Into a trade mark style, rather than milking. |
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Express Post
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January 2008
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Express Post on Sept 4, 2018 7:27:53 GMT 1, The biggest offender is Mr Brainwash.
Has nothing to offer art except a mirror on the vacuousness of people.
The biggest offender is Mr Brainwash.
Has nothing to offer art except a mirror on the vacuousness of people.
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christiangul
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June 2017
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by christiangul on Sept 4, 2018 9:34:50 GMT 1, Im not that experienced on this matter as a lot of you, but there is one aspect I see that isnโt brought up.
That is the frequency of releases.
Iโm not sure how often Hirst, and the rest of the โold chapsโ was releasing works, but the biggest problem with Sandra and Martin the way I see it, is that they flood the marked. I lost track of the amount of releasss those two has had in 2017 and 2018, but I would be surprised if the number is less than Hirst & Co had on their busiest times...
Itโs one thing doing the same trick once a year, over a period of 10 years, but when you do it 5-10 times a year for ten years, it becomes boring/obsolete.
Im not that experienced on this matter as a lot of you, but there is one aspect I see that isnโt brought up.
That is the frequency of releases.
Iโm not sure how often Hirst, and the rest of the โold chapsโ was releasing works, but the biggest problem with Sandra and Martin the way I see it, is that they flood the marked. I lost track of the amount of releasss those two has had in 2017 and 2018, but I would be surprised if the number is less than Hirst & Co had on their busiest times...
Itโs one thing doing the same trick once a year, over a period of 10 years, but when you do it 5-10 times a year for ten years, it becomes boring/obsolete.
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Hairbland
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November 2010
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Hairbland on Sept 4, 2018 13:31:35 GMT 1, Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, ....
Some on your list have been praised, others not so much lately.
Most artists have some repetitive things (I'm not saying that's bad!): - Kaws: toy figures with X eyes - Ryan Hewett: portaits with a lot of oil - Daniel Arsham: future relics - Paul Insect: people with dotted eyes - Invader: pixel things - Harland Miller: book covers - Nick Smith: tiles - Ben Eine: letters - Stik: doodles - Ben Frost: drug and fast food packaging - D*Face: comics of dead people - Pure Evil: crying super stars - Nychos, Parra, Florian Eymann, RYCA, Sweet Toof, .... Some on your list have been praised, others not so much lately. |
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Hairbland
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November 2010
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Discussion: when is an artist exploiting his success?, by Hairbland on Sept 4, 2018 13:36:15 GMT 1, Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories. I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences. I think the biggest revelation in this thread is that Sandra showed at a Poke restaurant?
I'll assume you are offering humor as a comment rather than missing the point.
Hirst and Murakami have been around now for quite a few years, with major Gallery and museum shows around the world. Martin and Sandra got spun up on the "scene" and seem to have similar arcs to their careers of hype, plateau, and now less chatter and more indifference, while largely being represented by smaller pop up galleries now closed (like Poke restaurants), slightly larger galleries and online print factories. I think they are Apples and Oranges, as they say, and a deeper understanding of art history helps to discern the differences. I think the biggest revelation in this thread is that Sandra showed at a Poke restaurant? I'll assume you are offering humor as a comment rather than missing the point. |
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