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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Dexter Bulldog on Dec 20, 2018 16:49:35 GMT 1, over the last 2 years he has increased his prices in a fair level no? starting with rve at like 1k us or so and then a few releases up to this kit at 2500.. if his marquee prints are going over 10k i dont htink hes taking the piss.. and people will still flip and earn off his releases.
i really like this kit a lot although i wish the top and bottom were red like the book cover
over the last 2 years he has increased his prices in a fair level no? starting with rve at like 1k us or so and then a few releases up to this kit at 2500.. if his marquee prints are going over 10k i dont htink hes taking the piss.. and people will still flip and earn off his releases.
i really like this kit a lot although i wish the top and bottom were red like the book cover
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by beatztom on Dec 20, 2018 16:52:10 GMT 1, Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-)
Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-)
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by jluhiex on Dec 20, 2018 16:52:48 GMT 1, Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-)
Think its done
Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) Think its done
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 16:53:52 GMT 1, eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see.
a bit muffed at the release time on this one
eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see.
a bit muffed at the release time on this one
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by beatztom on Dec 20, 2018 16:56:11 GMT 1, eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one
Isn’t it a better idea to just sell it for an easy profit?
eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one Isn’t it a better idea to just sell it for an easy profit?
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Pawel on Dec 20, 2018 16:57:04 GMT 1, over the last 2 years he has increased his prices in a fair level no? starting with rve at like 1k us or so and then a few releases up to this kit at 2500.. if his marquee prints are going over 10k i dont htink hes taking the piss.. and people will still flip and earn off his releases. i really like this kit a lot although i wish the top and bottom were red like the book cover
Agreed about the red top/bottom
over the last 2 years he has increased his prices in a fair level no? starting with rve at like 1k us or so and then a few releases up to this kit at 2500.. if his marquee prints are going over 10k i dont htink hes taking the piss.. and people will still flip and earn off his releases. i really like this kit a lot although i wish the top and bottom were red like the book cover Agreed about the red top/bottom
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 17:06:52 GMT 1, eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway.
i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail.
eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway. i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 17:08:51 GMT 1, that said, it's a nice kit. congrats to those who got one for personal. also wish the top/bottom were red but can't have it all.
that said, it's a nice kit. congrats to those who got one for personal. also wish the top/bottom were red but can't have it all.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Dexter Bulldog on Dec 20, 2018 17:14:37 GMT 1, eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway. i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail. the boxes/packaging they ship the kits in are quite secure..
eh i bet you have some ppl cancelling orders when they realize there isn't much meat left on the bone, but we'll see. a bit muffed at the release time on this one i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway. i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail. the boxes/packaging they ship the kits in are quite secure..
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 17:15:40 GMT 1, i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway. i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail. the boxes/packaging they ship the kits in are quite secure.. you should probably stop refreshing then
i could see people not wanting to go through the hassle of shipping tiles for $4-500 profit, especially with the inherent risk of selling art and potential for damage en route, but i'm sure most will sell them anyway. i just personally wouldn't give up hope yet if you really want one for personal. maybe shoot orbi an e-mail. the boxes/packaging they ship the kits in are quite secure.. you should probably stop refreshing then
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Forbidden Love on Dec 20, 2018 17:16:13 GMT 1, for me the best one in a while!
for me the best one in a while!
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Sweet Fanny Adams on Dec 20, 2018 17:17:24 GMT 1, Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by 19818914 on Dec 20, 2018 17:26:42 GMT 1, I was blown away when I saw it in shop. Didn’t think it would be so big.
I was blown away when I saw it in shop. Didn’t think it would be so big.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Express Post on Dec 20, 2018 17:33:17 GMT 1, Over 8 hours later and you're still monitoring?
Give this man a dollar!
Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
Over 8 hours later and you're still monitoring? Give this man a dollar! Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 17:35:13 GMT 1, Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party
Does anyone think there are any left, or is it time to admit defeat and stop refreshing the spaceshop? ;-) One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by mercboy on Dec 20, 2018 18:28:02 GMT 1, One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party I believe someone really smart once said the definition of crazy was doing something repetitively (Refresh) and (refresh) the same way and expecting a different result. And I'm going to keep trying one bay or the other ya know.
One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party I believe someone really smart once said the definition of crazy was doing something repetitively (Refresh) and (refresh) the same way and expecting a different result. And I'm going to keep trying one bay or the other ya know.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Sweet Fanny Adams on Dec 20, 2018 19:00:45 GMT 1, One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning.
One just popped up with Add To Cart.
Multiple orders with same IP are being cancelled
this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by coller on Dec 20, 2018 19:19:18 GMT 1, this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning.
weird flex but okay
this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning. weird flex but okay
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Lroy on Dec 20, 2018 19:48:23 GMT 1, Invader is the new Supreme by the looks of it ffs
😂 Kidult will tag soon the Montreuil factory at the extinguisher 🧯! I read that now hi is in the registry of Kaws, André, maybe dFace etc .. Not my cup Of tea at all and I hope that he won’t finish as them and their toys, and that he will still go back in the streets ! Yes an era is finished since OTI ( I know the family )
Invader is the new Supreme by the looks of it ffs 😂 Kidult will tag soon the Montreuil factory at the extinguisher 🧯! I read that now hi is in the registry of Kaws, André, maybe dFace etc .. Not my cup Of tea at all and I hope that he won’t finish as them and their toys, and that he will still go back in the streets ! Yes an era is finished since OTI ( I know the family )
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Express Post on Dec 20, 2018 21:39:26 GMT 1, So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return?
If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%.
Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski.
this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning.
So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return? If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%. Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski. this guy knows how to party Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Inknart on Dec 20, 2018 21:45:37 GMT 1, So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return? If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%. Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski. Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard.
He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return? If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%. Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski. Yep i've been partying hard with the 4 I scored this morning. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Express Post on Dec 20, 2018 21:58:54 GMT 1, There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work.
So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return? If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%. Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. So just say you pop it on eBay and sell it for $3500 (optimistically). After eBay and PayPal fees, that brings it to $3010. The cost converted to USD is $2752.50. So $257.50 is your profit. Percentage is 9.3%. So you really happy with a 0.093x return? If you find a buyer outside eBay, then at $3500 sale price you will take home a $607.50 profit, or roughly 22%. Anyway you do you and keep partying hard brozef/broski. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 22:01:39 GMT 1,
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Inknart on Dec 20, 2018 22:03:49 GMT 1, There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
There is not a doubt in my mind these will go up. Invader was introduced to lots of people recently who have no interest in urban art, period. These people are looking to make a quick buck and do not have the capital to hold pieces nor do they have the desire to do so.
Yes, prices will be low due to the volume released recently, but the market will stabilize over time. In no way will these be available anywhere near cost in a year or 2.
Like I said, there is a strategy to what artists like Invader are doing. He is not going to purposely kill his market and have his clientele lose interest. There is a method to this madness. It's a great time for invader collectors to pick up amazing prints like sunset and this kit for an extremely reasonable price prior to the show opening. I was able to pick up multiple releases and couldn't be happier about the costs, but in now way do I think that prices will always be this good, they will undoubtedly blast back up over time and he will be more valuable than ever.
There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
There is not a doubt in my mind these will go up. Invader was introduced to lots of people recently who have no interest in urban art, period. These people are looking to make a quick buck and do not have the capital to hold pieces nor do they have the desire to do so.
Yes, prices will be low due to the volume released recently, but the market will stabilize over time. In no way will these be available anywhere near cost in a year or 2.
Like I said, there is a strategy to what artists like Invader are doing. He is not going to purposely kill his market and have his clientele lose interest. There is a method to this madness. It's a great time for invader collectors to pick up amazing prints like sunset and this kit for an extremely reasonable price prior to the show opening. I was able to pick up multiple releases and couldn't be happier about the costs, but in now way do I think that prices will always be this good, they will undoubtedly blast back up over time and he will be more valuable than ever.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by aymar75 on Dec 20, 2018 22:04:02 GMT 1, Love o’jays! Ebay is full of invaders with all those releases!
Love o’jays! Ebay is full of invaders with all those releases!
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by touchdowntodd on Dec 20, 2018 22:04:47 GMT 1, There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
Edition is huge.. shocked that it doesn't seem to be taken into consideration here (only here mind u as eBay seems to know that besides a few early buyers that we can't prove are real)
There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
Edition is huge.. shocked that it doesn't seem to be taken into consideration here (only here mind u as eBay seems to know that besides a few early buyers that we can't prove are real)
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Zero Hero 2 on Dec 20, 2018 22:04:56 GMT 1, Love o’jays! Ebay is full of invaders with all those releases! Seem to be pretty many trying to flip fast.
Love o’jays! Ebay is full of invaders with all those releases! Seem to be pretty many trying to flip fast.
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by jluhiex on Dec 20, 2018 22:06:39 GMT 1, There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
You seem to forget that we live in a society where flipping is a profession and people buy stuff just to post on IG to flex...with zero savings, house, assets etc. Whatever makes people happy right?
There is one on the bay for $3250 ATM. If it goes up further then please feel free to revise the numbers. But this release was meant to eat into flippers' margins. And let's be real here, the amount being made per set of tiles can be earned within a day or two by the majority by just going to work. Optimistic at 3500? You won't be able to find these in 6 months for under 6k, but that is just my opinion. Give it a year and most likely the market will have dried up again, give it 2 years and who knows where prices will be again. I've heard he won't be releasing anything for 2 years after this year from some pretty reliable sources, but that is just what i've heard. He released a lot of pieces, market is pretty flooded right now, prices are very low, but I definitely think there is a strategic play that artists such as invader are very aware of within the market.
If you can get in on this kit at 4500 or less right now, I would consider it a decent entry level price point for a kit, especially one this great.
You seem to forget that we live in a society where flipping is a profession and people buy stuff just to post on IG to flex...with zero savings, house, assets etc. Whatever makes people happy right?
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INVADER first solo show in Los Angeles since 2005, by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 22:08:23 GMT 1, is it naughty to take these out of the packaging and frame?
do people not like this when it's time to sell?
is it naughty to take these out of the packaging and frame?
do people not like this when it's time to sell?
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