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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 16, 2018 22:43:51 GMT 1, Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it.....
Alas.
(I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. )
Discuss.
(No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)...
Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it.....
Alas.
(I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. )
Discuss.
(No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)...
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Inknart on Nov 16, 2018 22:45:42 GMT 1, Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it..... Alas. (I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. ) Discuss. (No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)...
Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it..... Alas. (I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. ) Discuss. (No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)... Dancer is still the only piece that I really appreciate. |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 22:53:55 GMT 1, I like him, he used to be a member on here
i have some very early bits of his. an album sprayed up and a shitty bit of cardboard with a camera on it.
I don't know how you qualify overpriced?
if it sells is it overpriced??
I like him, he used to be a member on here
i have some very early bits of his. an album sprayed up and a shitty bit of cardboard with a camera on it.
I don't know how you qualify overpriced?
if it sells is it overpriced??
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by quinn on Nov 16, 2018 22:54:12 GMT 1, Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it..... Alas. (I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. ) Discuss.ย (No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)...
oooh I like this! I have a still life. Not framed yet. But. I think itโs pretty sitting in my folio. I agree his work is getting a bit mince. Whoโs the special people?
Martin Whatson has become predictable, commercial, and as a consequence his art is now overpriced and in my view it is suffering because of it..... Alas. (I'd still love one of his works, but I now don't know where to turn with this guy: I'm lost in all the "carry on" with lottery winnings and "special people" etc. ) Discuss.ย (No offence to the artist. This IMO and "it is what it is" I guess)... oooh I like this! I have a still life. Not framed yet. But. I think itโs pretty sitting in my folio. I agree his work is getting a bit mince. Whoโs the special people? |
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wappinghigh
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 16, 2018 22:56:43 GMT 1, ebay prices in my view seem ridiculous people winning lotteries then flipping them straight away for double the price... how does this benefit the artist? If folks like his work and want to pay that sort of money for it?...that's great!. But how does this benefit him? He should be getting that double windfall IMO.
ebay prices in my view seem ridiculous people winning lotteries then flipping them straight away for double the price... how does this benefit the artist? If folks like his work and want to pay that sort of money for it?...that's great!. But how does this benefit him? He should be getting that double windfall IMO.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by quinn on Nov 16, 2018 23:02:05 GMT 1, It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this.
Ohh thatโs nice.
Yes it is.
But thereโs only 50 of them in the world.
Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it
Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay.
SOLD
It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this.
Ohh thatโs nice.
Yes it is.
But thereโs only 50 of them in the world.
Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it
Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay.
SOLD
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wappinghigh
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 16, 2018 23:09:45 GMT 1, It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this. Ohh thatโs nice. Yes it is. But thereโs only 50 of them in the world. Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay. SOLD
Then why not just price them properly at double the price they are currently listed? If that's "the market"? And simply sell them like that straight off the site? No lotteries. No carry on. Just list them and be done with it. If they sell, they sell at those prices and the artist get's his proper commission. Sorry I am a bit of a newbie to this way of purchasing art that's all... Thanks for the replies everyone. Cheers
It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this. Ohh thatโs nice. Yes it is. But thereโs only 50 of them in the world. Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay. SOLD Sure I guess so.. Then why not just price them properly at double the price they are currently listed? If that's "the market"? And simply sell them like that straight off the site? No lotteries. No carry on. Just list them and be done with it. If they sell, they sell at those prices and the artist get's his proper commission. Sorry I am a bit of a newbie to this way of purchasing art that's all... Thanks for the replies everyone. Cheers |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by quinn on Nov 16, 2018 23:16:48 GMT 1, No need to be sorry! I havenโt a clue what Iโm talking about! Itโs a minefield of ifs if and buts. If they sold all the prints into the hands of collectors then no one other than the collectors would talk about it.
No need to be sorry! I havenโt a clue what Iโm talking about! Itโs a minefield of ifs if and buts. If they sold all the prints into the hands of collectors then no one other than the collectors would talk about it.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Chris JL on Nov 16, 2018 23:20:56 GMT 1, There is no intrinsic value/objective value. A lot of people buy his stuff at his sticker prices in a second, so hard to claim that his release prices are high - I would have happily paid what asked for his latest lottery release (except for one image).
Yes, many of his things donโt tell me anything (e.g. his zoo pieces cum tags...), but for instance there is one image that I tried to get for ages until few weeks ago, and after seeing it in the flesh Iโm a super happy camper (zero tolerance).
De gustibus non est disputandum, as well as the credit cards that go with it ๐
There is no intrinsic value/objective value. A lot of people buy his stuff at his sticker prices in a second, so hard to claim that his release prices are high - I would have happily paid what asked for his latest lottery release (except for one image).
Yes, many of his things donโt tell me anything (e.g. his zoo pieces cum tags...), but for instance there is one image that I tried to get for ages until few weeks ago, and after seeing it in the flesh Iโm a super happy camper (zero tolerance).
De gustibus non est disputandum, as well as the credit cards that go with it ๐
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Chris JL on Nov 16, 2018 23:26:20 GMT 1, It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this. Ohh thatโs nice. Yes it is. But thereโs only 50 of them in the world. Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay. SOLD Sure I guess so.. Then why not just price them properly at double the price they are currently listed? If that's "the market"? And simply sell them like that straight off the site? No lotteries. No carry on. Just list them and be done with it. If they sell, they sell at those prices and the artist get's his proper commission. Sorry I am a bit of a newbie to this way of purchasing art that's all... Thanks for the replies everyone. Cheers
Buyers on release provide liquidity. For that, they are compensated with a discount. Stuff at double or triple, or more, of the resale value do sell indeed... but eventually. Immediacy is costly (in terms of discount needed to achieve it), but is per se valuable since it is perceived as a signal about demand and upside potential.
It actually all makes quite a lot of sense (for an economist at least...)
It benefits the artist because people like us are talking about it. It works like this. Ohh thatโs nice. Yes it is. But thereโs only 50 of them in the world. Ahh ok Iโve got money and I want it Iโm going to pay double what that other guy is going to. Pay. SOLD Sure I guess so.. Then why not just price them properly at double the price they are currently listed? If that's "the market"? And simply sell them like that straight off the site? No lotteries. No carry on. Just list them and be done with it. If they sell, they sell at those prices and the artist get's his proper commission. Sorry I am a bit of a newbie to this way of purchasing art that's all... Thanks for the replies everyone. Cheers Buyers on release provide liquidity. For that, they are compensated with a discount. Stuff at double or triple, or more, of the resale value do sell indeed... but eventually. Immediacy is costly (in terms of discount needed to achieve it), but is per se valuable since it is perceived as a signal about demand and upside potential. It actually all makes quite a lot of sense (for an economist at least...) |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 16, 2018 23:31:34 GMT 1, ^Sure. I'm more into "the art", not flipping art to make a buck...I have Total respect for the guy. Serious respect for anyone who gets off their arse and wants to get the message of what's wrong with the world out there and.... onto the street.. That can't be an easy thing to do... just not sure with the current work that's all... and don't have a clue how all this lottery thing works. It does the reverse for me.. It makes me wary and cautious... maybe I should have titled the thread Martin Whatson's (new) works are underpriced (by those selling them)... Anyway. Don;t know where to turn with this guy that's all. Not new to street art. Or modern art in general... just the way street art is "onsold" off the street and onto peoples inhouse walls that's all.... Cheers ...
^Sure. I'm more into "the art", not flipping art to make a buck...I have Total respect for the guy. Serious respect for anyone who gets off their arse and wants to get the message of what's wrong with the world out there and.... onto the street.. That can't be an easy thing to do... just not sure with the current work that's all... and don't have a clue how all this lottery thing works. It does the reverse for me.. It makes me wary and cautious... maybe I should have titled the thread Martin Whatson's (new) works are underpriced (by those selling them)... Anyway. Don;t know where to turn with this guy that's all. Not new to street art. Or modern art in general... just the way street art is "onsold" off the street and onto peoples inhouse walls that's all.... Cheers ...
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by iamzero on Nov 17, 2018 0:02:54 GMT 1, Iโm not sure overpriced is the right word. If it sells then surely itโs priced right for that market? Most of it I wouldnt hang purely because i have limited space and other things that Iโd prefer but I really like his stuff and his climber print is hanging proudly on my wall.
Iโm not sure overpriced is the right word. If it sells then surely itโs priced right for that market? Most of it I wouldnt hang purely because i have limited space and other things that Iโd prefer but I really like his stuff and his climber print is hanging proudly on my wall.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Masong on Nov 17, 2018 0:15:33 GMT 1, If it sells out itโs not overpriced
If it sells out itโs not overpriced
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by .dappy on Nov 17, 2018 0:19:05 GMT 1, ... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ...
... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ...
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Masong
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Masong on Nov 17, 2018 0:21:28 GMT 1, ... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ...
Only if it involves an astronaut ๐
... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ... Only if it involves an astronaut ๐ |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Chris JL on Nov 17, 2018 0:23:27 GMT 1, ... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ...
I thought that was a very outdated pick up line ๐
... does anyone want to see a pic of a butterfly ... I thought that was a very outdated pick up line ๐ |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 17, 2018 0:34:46 GMT 1, I'd settle for one of his skate decks. But at release price. Which I gather is around 1000 quid?
I'd settle for one of his skate decks. But at release price. Which I gather is around 1000 quid?
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Masong on Nov 17, 2018 0:38:16 GMT 1, Whatever next! banksyโs overpriced?
Whatever next! banksyโs overpriced?
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Express Post on Nov 17, 2018 0:54:57 GMT 1, Jerkface Nollie ed 15 Lenticular $5000, but his heritage auctions original canvas Homer hammers at $4500. He must be a alien or sutin'.
Jerkface Nollie ed 15 Lenticular $5000, but his heritage auctions original canvas Homer hammers at $4500. He must be a alien or sutin'.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by mack on Nov 17, 2018 0:57:26 GMT 1, I'd settle for one of his skate decks. But at release price. Which I gather is around 1000 quid?
It is an impossible situation. I think it's great he makes his art available for those who likes it!
I'd settle for one of his skate decks. But at release price. Which I gather is around 1000 quid? The latest GP releases was A/P's, P/P's and other special editions. When he releases a multiple edition print it is still reasonably priced I would say (around ยฃ500 i think?). Just because some of his work ends up in the hands of flippers through lotteries doesn't mean it's overpriced. If it was only sold to specific collectors we would sit here discussing why it all sold to a selected group of people (like the Jerkface release on Tagliatella). It is an impossible situation. I think it's great he makes his art available for those who likes it! |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by rbk on Nov 17, 2018 7:07:04 GMT 1, He has just done a show with Souled Out Studios in Bangkok
Check them out
He has just done a show with Souled Out Studios in Bangkok
Check them out
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by jay4077 on Nov 17, 2018 12:08:09 GMT 1, Firstly I have a Whatson "Son Of Man" mini-print. I like that (to me) it's a comment on how street artists hide behind their art, tags and alter egos. Also it's not that costly.
But most of the rest of his art it's kind of bland and repetitive. Yes, it's a nice looking graffiti-tiger, but why? And is it going to remain interesting in 10 years? Should it still be worth ยฃ1k when we down the road will have the graffiti-giraffe, graffiti-whale, graffiti-penguin etc?
I'm not speaking against the market. I'm just saying the after market prices are not for me.
Firstly I have a Whatson "Son Of Man" mini-print. I like that (to me) it's a comment on how street artists hide behind their art, tags and alter egos. Also it's not that costly.
But most of the rest of his art it's kind of bland and repetitive. Yes, it's a nice looking graffiti-tiger, but why? And is it going to remain interesting in 10 years? Should it still be worth ยฃ1k when we down the road will have the graffiti-giraffe, graffiti-whale, graffiti-penguin etc?
I'm not speaking against the market. I'm just saying the after market prices are not for me.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by Hairbland on Nov 17, 2018 13:45:23 GMT 1, Whatever next! banksyโs overpriced?
It seems one can join the forum a month ago, post something absurd, and get a rise out of everyone. Doesn't really add to the conversation.
Whatever next! banksyโs overpriced? It seems one can join the forum a month ago, post something absurd, and get a rise out of everyone. Doesn't really add to the conversation. |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by quinn on Nov 17, 2018 14:04:53 GMT 1, There is no intrinsic value/objective value. A lot of people buy his stuff at his sticker prices in a second, so hard to claim that his release prices are high - I would have happily paid what asked for his latest lottery release (except for one image). Yes, many of his things donโt tell me anything (e.g. his zoo pieces cum tags...), but for instance there is one image that I tried to get it for ages until few weeks ago, and after seeing it in the flesh Iโm a super happy camper (zero tolerance). De gustibus non est disputandum, as well as the credit cards that go with it ๐
i agree. Iโve seen quite a few of his pieces over the years some are fantastic others not so much. I donโt know what to make of the tagged up animals. It just feels tired now in my opinion. I think he Is capable of much more.
There is no intrinsic value/objective value. A lot of people buy his stuff at his sticker prices in a second, so hard to claim that his release prices are high - I would have happily paid what asked for his latest lottery release (except for one image). Yes, many of his things donโt tell me anything (e.g. his zoo pieces cum tags...), but for instance there is one image that I tried to get it for ages until few weeks ago, and after seeing it in the flesh Iโm a super happy camper (zero tolerance). De gustibus non est disputandum, as well as the credit cards that go with it ๐ i agree. Iโve seen quite a few of his pieces over the years some are fantastic others not so much. I donโt know what to make of the tagged up animals. It just feels tired now in my opinion. I think he Is capable of much more. |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 18, 2018 3:19:26 GMT 1, Just bought the hand sprayed "Heavy Load" off amsterdam (a forum member here) after I realised the other couple avail recently on the MW site had sold. I get that piece - like I said huge respect for the artist. Cheers
Just bought the hand sprayed "Heavy Load" off amsterdam (a forum member here) after I realised the other couple avail recently on the MW site had sold. I get that piece - like I said huge respect for the artist. Cheers
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by thomasmer on Nov 18, 2018 6:17:23 GMT 1, He has just done a show with Souled Out Studios in Bangkok Check them out Did anyone post or see any photos from it?
He's a product of his collectors, you all made him like this, collectors, media and forums often do it to a weaker artist.
He has just done a show with Souled Out Studios in Bangkok Check them out Did anyone post or see any photos from it?
He's a product of his collectors, you all made him like this, collectors, media and forums often do it to a weaker artist.
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wappinghigh
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by wappinghigh on Nov 18, 2018 6:29:47 GMT 1, ^ "A weaker artist"?.. don't know enough about things to make that judgement, However, I think Martin Whatson is the real deal.....He is certainly deeply routed in the streets... right?? I just bought what I think is one of his more interesting earlier works... it was fascinating how a few were released and popped up on his store amongst all the others?.. but sure.. it is what it is I guess.
^ "A weaker artist"?.. don't know enough about things to make that judgement, However, I think Martin Whatson is the real deal.....He is certainly deeply routed in the streets... right?? I just bought what I think is one of his more interesting earlier works... it was fascinating how a few were released and popped up on his store amongst all the others?.. but sure.. it is what it is I guess.
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by sfnyc on Nov 18, 2018 10:36:40 GMT 1, ^ "A weaker artist"?.. don't know enough about things to make that judgement, However, I think Martin Whatson is the real deal.....He is certainly deeply routed in the streets... right?? I just bought what I think is one of his more interesting earlier works... it was fascinating how a few were released and popped up on his store amongst all the others?.. but sure.. it is what it is I guess.
Not to bash on the artist, but he's made it pretty far for someone that cant draw. Kinda like Trump. He made it with a bit of cheating (aka photoshopping) but he doesn't have the qualities needed to be at the level of his peers
^ "A weaker artist"?.. don't know enough about things to make that judgement, However, I think Martin Whatson is the real deal.....He is certainly deeply routed in the streets... right?? I just bought what I think is one of his more interesting earlier works... it was fascinating how a few were released and popped up on his store amongst all the others?.. but sure.. it is what it is I guess. Not to bash on the artist, but he's made it pretty far for someone that cant draw. Kinda like Trump. He made it with a bit of cheating (aka photoshopping) but he doesn't have the qualities needed to be at the level of his peers |
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by kalm on Nov 19, 2018 3:28:55 GMT 1, IMHO, I think he needs to pivot and move on from the graffiti motifs. The galleries and houses have made his drops slightly overpriced & virtually impossible to acquire without being a ballsuck/flipper. I barely even try for his drops now...have a Still Life and am satisfied.
IMHO, I think he needs to pivot and move on from the graffiti motifs. The galleries and houses have made his drops slightly overpriced & virtually impossible to acquire without being a ballsuck/flipper. I barely even try for his drops now...have a Still Life and am satisfied.
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kalm
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Is Martin Whatson overpriced?, by kalm on Nov 19, 2018 3:31:11 GMT 1, P.s. WTF do I know? If I had a niche, Iโd probably beat the piss out of it as well...haha
Making cheddar allows for more artistic freedom...so until the sales die down why stop? I change my stance but will no longer participate in the circus.
P.s. WTF do I know? If I had a niche, Iโd probably beat the piss out of it as well...haha
Making cheddar allows for more artistic freedom...so until the sales die down why stop? I change my stance but will no longer participate in the circus.
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