sptembergurl
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 15, 2019 23:14:43 GMT 1, On a side note, I want to mention that numerous very kind and helpful people have messaged me privately while this thread has unraveled. I know these boards have dealt with quite a few mean-spirited people over the years, but the amount of support and advice I have seen even just privately, has really blown me away. I will continue to tell my story to help this community as more information comes in as Iโm sure many of you are now cautious about future purchases. Thank you to each of you that has reached out.
On a side note, I want to mention that numerous very kind and helpful people have messaged me privately while this thread has unraveled. I know these boards have dealt with quite a few mean-spirited people over the years, but the amount of support and advice I have seen even just privately, has really blown me away. I will continue to tell my story to help this community as more information comes in as Iโm sure many of you are now cautious about future purchases. Thank you to each of you that has reached out.
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moron
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by moron on Feb 18, 2019 0:02:50 GMT 1, It's probably worth liasing with the gallery to track down the thief as although not financially, the gallery is also a victim.
Artsy could be doing damage limitation in what Artsy knows about when galleries and the site was hacked and what Artsy tells the public it knows.
Checking the mail header of the emails that you corresponded with should reveal the source of the email and possible location.
Recording phone calls is not illegal in UK and not illegal under US Federal law. What one does with the recordings afterwards is what matters. Recordings don't seem to be admissable as evidence in court because there is no proof that a recording has not been edited or tampered with. Still worth doing for personal use though.
It's probably worth liasing with the gallery to track down the thief as although not financially, the gallery is also a victim.
Artsy could be doing damage limitation in what Artsy knows about when galleries and the site was hacked and what Artsy tells the public it knows.
Checking the mail header of the emails that you corresponded with should reveal the source of the email and possible location.
Recording phone calls is not illegal in UK and not illegal under US Federal law. What one does with the recordings afterwards is what matters. Recordings don't seem to be admissable as evidence in court because there is no proof that a recording has not been edited or tampered with. Still worth doing for personal use though.
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 18, 2019 4:07:34 GMT 1, You canโt wire tap or eavesdrop...but recordering phone conversations is legal
โFederal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation.โ
You canโt wire tap or eavesdrop...but recordering phone conversations is legal
โFederal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation.โ
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 18, 2019 4:13:24 GMT 1, Also, by vaguely stating โIโm gonna start recording our future conversations for reference, because I was told something completely different by another person ect...โ - this will satisfy two party consent if call is across state lines.
Also, by vaguely stating โIโm gonna start recording our future conversations for reference, because I was told something completely different by another person ect...โ - this will satisfy two party consent if call is across state lines.
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sptembergurl
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 18, 2019 18:31:24 GMT 1, All of this recording conversations discussion is moot at least with Artsy as they arenโt calling us. Their only correspondence, as seldom, as vague as possible, and unhelpful as it is, is via email, their only form of correspondence at this point.
All of this recording conversations discussion is moot at least with Artsy as they arenโt calling us. Their only correspondence, as seldom, as vague as possible, and unhelpful as it is, is via email, their only form of correspondence at this point.
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fonebone45
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by fonebone45 on Feb 19, 2019 4:32:39 GMT 1, Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions:
They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other.
Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami)
They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have.
Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions:
They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other.
Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami)
They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have.
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d.r. perseus
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by d.r. perseus on Feb 19, 2019 5:12:34 GMT 1, Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions: They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other. Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami) They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have.
Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman
Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions: They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other. Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami) They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have. Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman
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Mirus Gallery
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Mirus Gallery on Feb 19, 2019 6:52:30 GMT 1, Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions: They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other. Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami) They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have. Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people.
Just seeing this now, but as a Gallery who's spoken with Artsy and their people in person, and asked a lot of questions: They list the art, and their system connects buyers and galleries with each other. Deals are done outside the site, and they take no commission. It's up to the buyer and gallery to complete deal. Any messages sent through the site just go to whatever email the gallery puts in their profile. (I received several emails from clients using their site when I had a trial version for Scope Miami) They just act as a way to find the art, and advertise it to a larger audience than the gallery alone may have. Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people.
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fonebone45
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by fonebone45 on Feb 19, 2019 15:53:14 GMT 1, Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people. Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms.
The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them.
We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists.
Couldnโt it be argued amazon does the same thing? Only difference I can discern is amazon takes responsibility as the middleman No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people. Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms. The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them. We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists.
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tab1
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by tab1 on Feb 19, 2019 16:24:33 GMT 1, No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people. Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms. The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them. We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists. If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal!
No its different. Amazon takes payment and facilitates the transaction in their platform. Artsy just connects buyers to galleries through their messaging system. Artsy does have a payment option for galleries to take payment using their platform but the rates are high and most galleries take the transaction outside of artsy. Artsy basically is just a messaging system that connects people. Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms. The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them. We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists. If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal!
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fonebone45
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by fonebone45 on Feb 19, 2019 16:34:35 GMT 1, Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms. The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them. We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists. If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal! Well you're still paying the gallery you're buying from a commission. But it's part of the sale price you sort with them.
It's all galleries on the site, not individuals.
Exactly. They just list the art, and make it easy to find using algorithms. The cheapest package for galleries is a subscription of $450 usd per month to use it. I can't justify that right now, so I can't use them. We deal with street/urban art, and emerging artists. If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal! Well you're still paying the gallery you're buying from a commission. But it's part of the sale price you sort with them. It's all galleries on the site, not individuals.
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sptembergurl
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 20, 2019 2:26:48 GMT 1, Then how do they make money?
Then how do they make money?
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Mirus Gallery
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Mirus Gallery on Feb 20, 2019 2:38:20 GMT 1, Then how do they make money? Artsy charges each gallery on their platform a large monthly fee. Ranging 400 to thousands if you really want exposure or advertising. These monthly fees I am guessing add up to a decent amount of money. In return buyers get to shop their favorite artists and galleries get new traffic to their inventory. It is actually a decent platform that works for both parties usually.
Then how do they make money? Artsy charges each gallery on their platform a large monthly fee. Ranging 400 to thousands if you really want exposure or advertising. These monthly fees I am guessing add up to a decent amount of money. In return buyers get to shop their favorite artists and galleries get new traffic to their inventory. It is actually a decent platform that works for both parties usually.
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tab1
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by tab1 on Feb 20, 2019 3:07:58 GMT 1, If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal! Well you're still paying the gallery you're buying from a commission. But it's part of the sale price you sort with them. It's all galleries on the site, not individuals. Meant the gallery saving by using the platform
If this op deal was legitimate then that would be a massive saving on commission fees via auction or using another gallery to broker the deal! Well you're still paying the gallery you're buying from a commission. But it's part of the sale price you sort with them. It's all galleries on the site, not individuals. Meant the gallery saving by using the platform
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chevyav53
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by chevyav53 on Feb 22, 2019 20:54:15 GMT 1, Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy
Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy
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Mirus Gallery
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Mirus Gallery on Feb 22, 2019 23:07:03 GMT 1, Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information?
Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information?
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chevyav53
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by chevyav53 on Feb 23, 2019 5:12:59 GMT 1, Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information? I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy.
Well my login information was posted on the dark web thanks to Artsy, luckily the password was already changed and it was nothing that would match any other logins but this is the first time out of all the breaches a login has showed up... thanks Artsy Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information? I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy.
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sptembergurl
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 23, 2019 12:24:28 GMT 1, Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information? I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy. ย ย
I am so sorry to hear this. I wonder how many were affected and donโt even know.
Your Login information? Like the email address or username. Did you see your actual password online? From all other reports passwords weren't compromised only hash folders. Im hoping that actual passwords weren't online. Also where did you find this information? I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy. ย ย I am so sorry to hear this. I wonder how many were affected and donโt even know.
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fonebone45
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by fonebone45 on Mar 7, 2019 20:45:31 GMT 1, I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy. ย ย I am so sorry to hear this. I wonder how many were affected and donโt even know. I assume you let the folks at Artsy know.
I have lifelock, first time Iโve ever gotten a report saying login, name and email were found on dark web as that is one of their checks and it said from Artsy. ย ย I am so sorry to hear this. I wonder how many were affected and donโt even know. I assume you let the folks at Artsy know.
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moron
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