stickee
Artist
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,128
๐๐ป 1
June 2008
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by stickee on Sept 12, 2008 0:42:25 GMT 1, yep, right the middle of the piece apparently
It would waXology - it's right in the bottom right-hand corner - so a small mat would do the trick
yep, right the middle of the piece apparently It would waXology - it's right in the bottom right-hand corner - so a small mat would do the trick |
|
nattymatt
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 59
๐๐ป 0
September 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by nattymatt on Sept 12, 2008 1:00:19 GMT 1, Here is what PC sent to me after i asked for a BANKSY stencil to be authenticated.
Thank you for contacting us again regarding the stencil you have. As explained by Holly this item cannot receive a Certificate of Authentication for sale. Pest Control was set up by the artist Banksy to provide an authentication service for his works of art. The item you have is neither a work of art nor can it be verified as being genuine. In addition to this there are a number of fake stencils in circulation.
While we cannot prevent you from selling this item, we must reiterate, to sell this item to be by the artist Banksy, with it also being denied Pest Control Authentication, is considered 'passing off' and the item has been catalogued as such.
Kind regards
Pest Control Office
They don't say that it is fake but thet will not say its real....this is rather annoying as i know its real due to where and how i obtained it. Where do we go from here? DNA sample?
it relates back to the earlier comment by "onemandown72
I've just had an interesting (and rather frustrating) conflict of interest that centred around above, with another artist (not Banksy). For me the difficulty comes when the situation is in the context of installation work, that is done on private property and cannot ever be considered street pieces. As a result never for the public to see, this for me has the same resonance and relavance as any other work that the artist exectues. Also within the context of street artists it is madness for their to be no authenticated "street"work in collections of street artists, otherwise you only have half the picture.
I also feel that whilst it is wrong to remove work from the street, if you own the building / door / wall that the artist decided to work on, they then have a responsibilty to subsequantly authenticate said work for that owner, should they want to sell. To deny knowledge after defacing something (however beautifully) is done completly at the expense of the person who'se property it is on. Whilst most on here would welcome Banksy to come and work on their home, would you welcome every street artist? I know I wouldn't - I feel that there is an inherant hypocracy of wanting to elicit an emotional reaction and then refuse to take responsibilty for it. I understand that artists do not want to get arrested, but I am more talking about work done in private that at a later point is denied (I think this may have happened with the Blur album wall, but could be wrong).
Is this down to the artists? Or is this down to primary galleries advising their artists? I feel it's a bit of both.
While i fully appreciate what PC are for and true, it is not a piece of art...who are they to say that this is not real!!!! and that as THEY have refused a certificate of authenticity for it it has been classed as such.
Here is what PC sent to me after i asked for a BANKSY stencil to be authenticated.
Thank you for contacting us again regarding the stencil you have. As explained by Holly this item cannot receive a Certificate of Authentication for sale. Pest Control was set up by the artist Banksy to provide an authentication service for his works of art. The item you have is neither a work of art nor can it be verified as being genuine. In addition to this there are a number of fake stencils in circulation.
While we cannot prevent you from selling this item, we must reiterate, to sell this item to be by the artist Banksy, with it also being denied Pest Control Authentication, is considered 'passing off' and the item has been catalogued as such.
Kind regards
Pest Control Office
They don't say that it is fake but thet will not say its real....this is rather annoying as i know its real due to where and how i obtained it. Where do we go from here? DNA sample?
it relates back to the earlier comment by "onemandown72
I've just had an interesting (and rather frustrating) conflict of interest that centred around above, with another artist (not Banksy). For me the difficulty comes when the situation is in the context of installation work, that is done on private property and cannot ever be considered street pieces. As a result never for the public to see, this for me has the same resonance and relavance as any other work that the artist exectues. Also within the context of street artists it is madness for their to be no authenticated "street"work in collections of street artists, otherwise you only have half the picture.
I also feel that whilst it is wrong to remove work from the street, if you own the building / door / wall that the artist decided to work on, they then have a responsibilty to subsequantly authenticate said work for that owner, should they want to sell. To deny knowledge after defacing something (however beautifully) is done completly at the expense of the person who'se property it is on. Whilst most on here would welcome Banksy to come and work on their home, would you welcome every street artist? I know I wouldn't - I feel that there is an inherant hypocracy of wanting to elicit an emotional reaction and then refuse to take responsibilty for it. I understand that artists do not want to get arrested, but I am more talking about work done in private that at a later point is denied (I think this may have happened with the Blur album wall, but could be wrong).
Is this down to the artists? Or is this down to primary galleries advising their artists? I feel it's a bit of both.
While i fully appreciate what PC are for and true, it is not a piece of art...who are they to say that this is not real!!!! and that as THEY have refused a certificate of authenticity for it it has been classed as such.
|
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by retardthebear on Sept 12, 2008 2:12:23 GMT 1, When I took a Banksy to POW for Authentication I signed a piece of paper (POW kept a copy) saying if it was fake they would mark the print as fake and log it on their database as such. My reaction!? *pharp*
When I took a Banksy to POW for Authentication I signed a piece of paper (POW kept a copy) saying if it was fake they would mark the print as fake and log it on their database as such. My reaction!? *pharp*
|
|
hitme
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 368
๐๐ป 2
December 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by hitme on Sept 12, 2008 3:21:58 GMT 1, I just want to confirm something - POW and Pest Control are the same entity, right?
i.e. if I have a print authenticated, does it matter if I do so at POW's website or Pest Control's website? the fields where you enter information looks the same, but could someone please clarify? thanks!
I just want to confirm something - POW and Pest Control are the same entity, right?
i.e. if I have a print authenticated, does it matter if I do so at POW's website or Pest Control's website? the fields where you enter information looks the same, but could someone please clarify? thanks!
|
|
DYL4N
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 705
๐๐ป 6
January 2008
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by DYL4N on Sept 12, 2008 8:49:26 GMT 1, Mate I believe PC and POW are the same when it comes to authentication ie PC authenticate the canvases POW authenticate the prints for PC
correct
Mate I believe PC and POW are the same when it comes to authentication ie PC authenticate the canvases POW authenticate the prints for PC correct |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Sept 12, 2008 8:55:25 GMT 1, 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints seems like a very high number to me and no figures on how many they have confirmed to be genuine....who's to say that this is not just scaremongering to get ยฃ50 off you guys? no mention of any fake stencilled canvases either (which I would of assumed would of been the number one fake as most people can make a stencilled canvas where as a screenprint is a bit more specialised
Pull your head out of your ass stickee, do you not see the amount of tripe that filters through e-bay alone?... (sh
89 street pieces and 137 screen prints seems like a very high number to me and no figures on how many they have confirmed to be genuine....who's to say that this is not just scaremongering to get ยฃ50 off you guys? no mention of any fake stencilled canvases either (which I would of assumed would of been the number one fake as most people can make a stencilled canvas where as a screenprint is a bit more specialised Pull your head out of your ass stickee, do you not see the amount of tripe that filters through e-bay alone?... (sh itloads!), f uck me, every day there are more & more chancers touting their homemade 'banksy' street pieces to the overpaid & under intelligent & these c unts are making thousands out of it, I would NEVER buy any banksy work that hasn't been given the all clear by pest control, POW or LAZ, & as for VERMIN, what makes this team of experts so "expert"?, more f ucking chancers, probably sitting on a pile of banksy street pieces themselves..... respect the artists wishes people, they were created for the street, and there they should stay.... |
|
|
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by onemandown72 on Sept 12, 2008 9:03:16 GMT 1, What about work that is created as a gift, passed on/sold to someone else, who then decides to sell, and the artist chooses not to authenticate? This for me is where there is a very grey area, as it appears that there is a lot of work that was carried out by stencil / street artists in the early 00's that fills this category. Now for me, this isn't about artistic integrity this is all about money. If the work was being offered and sold for ยฃ10 then the artist would happily authenticate, yet as soon as large sums of money become involved artists are begin to develop blurred lines as to what they now consider a "piece" or work or art. This to me is absolute nonsense and gross hypocracy, and this is where the artist are allowing money to dictate how they want there body of work to be viewed. And this is where I feel the galleries are stepping in to influence how this works.
At what point does a piece stop becoming an authentic piece? ยฃ500, ยฃ1,000, ยฃ10,000. It also is the point where the artist has become artmarket mainstream, and has moved into a new realm.
When these "grey" works where created they were good enough at the time, they were an important part of the artists development and also showed support from the respective individuals to encourage them to do said work. Yet now it appears that artists want to deny / control this period of their development
I totally agree with the creation of Pest Control by Banksy, and fel it was imperative in the context of how his star has risen. I do question whether every piece that they should authenticate gets authenticated. Now as I'm not privvy to what they have submitted I have no way in knowing this, but I have very strong suspicions that this isn't the case. And cyncial or not I feel that money rather than art is the driving force here
What about work that is created as a gift, passed on/sold to someone else, who then decides to sell, and the artist chooses not to authenticate? This for me is where there is a very grey area, as it appears that there is a lot of work that was carried out by stencil / street artists in the early 00's that fills this category. Now for me, this isn't about artistic integrity this is all about money. If the work was being offered and sold for ยฃ10 then the artist would happily authenticate, yet as soon as large sums of money become involved artists are begin to develop blurred lines as to what they now consider a "piece" or work or art. This to me is absolute nonsense and gross hypocracy, and this is where the artist are allowing money to dictate how they want there body of work to be viewed. And this is where I feel the galleries are stepping in to influence how this works.
At what point does a piece stop becoming an authentic piece? ยฃ500, ยฃ1,000, ยฃ10,000. It also is the point where the artist has become artmarket mainstream, and has moved into a new realm.
When these "grey" works where created they were good enough at the time, they were an important part of the artists development and also showed support from the respective individuals to encourage them to do said work. Yet now it appears that artists want to deny / control this period of their development
I totally agree with the creation of Pest Control by Banksy, and fel it was imperative in the context of how his star has risen. I do question whether every piece that they should authenticate gets authenticated. Now as I'm not privvy to what they have submitted I have no way in knowing this, but I have very strong suspicions that this isn't the case. And cyncial or not I feel that money rather than art is the driving force here
|
|
mishco
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 871
๐๐ป 23
May 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by mishco on Sept 12, 2008 9:56:43 GMT 1, imo, pc should have authenticated this one as it seems pretty clear it's real and was done on private property
www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=222+++++++57+&refno=++107239
i think most know this piece is real so if pc were to authenticate the pieces that were done on private property it would only leave the dregs for vermin.
|
|
cutty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 226
๐๐ป 1
April 2008
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by cutty on Sept 12, 2008 10:01:03 GMT 1, For those who don't know - A definition of Droit Morale is: "An artist's moral right to be identified as the creator of a work (Attribution), the right to decide when and where to publish the work (Disclosure), the right to withdraw a work from circulation (Withdrawal), and the right to preserve the integrity of the work (Integrity)." The work being 'illegal' has no relevance on the fact that any living artist has the right to withdraw a work from circulation and to assign an official body to authenticate work. (you don't know me George). I've just had an interesting (and rather frustrating) conflict of interest that centred around above, with another artist (not Banksy). For me the difficulty comes when the situation is in the context of installation work, that is done on private property and cannot ever be considered street pieces. As a result never for the public to see, this for me has the same resonance and relavance as any other work that the artist exectues. Also within the context of street artists it is madness for their to be no authenticated "street"work in collections of street artists, otherwise you only have half the picture. I also feel that whilst it is wrong to remove work from the street, if you own the building / door / wall that the artist decided to work on, they then have a responsibilty to subsequantly authenticate said work for that owner, should they want to sell. To deny knowledge after defacing something (however beautifully) is done completly at the expense of the person who'se property it is on. Whilst most on here would welcome Banksy to come and work on their home, would you welcome every street artist? I know I wouldn't - I feel that there is an inherant hypocracy of wanting to elicit an emotional reaction and then refuse to take responsibilty for it. I understand that artists do not want to get arrested, but I am more talking about work done in private that at a later point is denied (I think this may have happened with the Blur album wall, but could be wrong). Is this down to the artists? Or is this down to primary galleries advising their artists? I feel it's a bit of both.
Yeah nice point!
For those who don't know - A definition of Droit Morale is: "An artist's moral right to be identified as the creator of a work (Attribution), the right to decide when and where to publish the work (Disclosure), the right to withdraw a work from circulation (Withdrawal), and the right to preserve the integrity of the work (Integrity)." The work being 'illegal' has no relevance on the fact that any living artist has the right to withdraw a work from circulation and to assign an official body to authenticate work. (you don't know me George). I've just had an interesting (and rather frustrating) conflict of interest that centred around above, with another artist (not Banksy). For me the difficulty comes when the situation is in the context of installation work, that is done on private property and cannot ever be considered street pieces. As a result never for the public to see, this for me has the same resonance and relavance as any other work that the artist exectues. Also within the context of street artists it is madness for their to be no authenticated "street"work in collections of street artists, otherwise you only have half the picture. I also feel that whilst it is wrong to remove work from the street, if you own the building / door / wall that the artist decided to work on, they then have a responsibilty to subsequantly authenticate said work for that owner, should they want to sell. To deny knowledge after defacing something (however beautifully) is done completly at the expense of the person who'se property it is on. Whilst most on here would welcome Banksy to come and work on their home, would you welcome every street artist? I know I wouldn't - I feel that there is an inherant hypocracy of wanting to elicit an emotional reaction and then refuse to take responsibilty for it. I understand that artists do not want to get arrested, but I am more talking about work done in private that at a later point is denied (I think this may have happened with the Blur album wall, but could be wrong). Is this down to the artists? Or is this down to primary galleries advising their artists? I feel it's a bit of both. Yeah nice point! |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 12, 2008 10:04:25 GMT 1, Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction?
Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case.
I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction?
Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case.
I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
|
|
cutty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 226
๐๐ป 1
April 2008
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by cutty on Sept 12, 2008 10:20:27 GMT 1, I don't understand how there is a difference between any of these companies(POW, LAZ, PC) apart from who works behind the counter? Banksy controls them all......right?
Also what is with this statement off the Lyon and Turnbull site on the bollard street piece ...
Provenance:
Jon Swinstead Collection
Note:
Jon Swinstead was the original founder of Pictures on Walls (POW) which is responsible for publishing all Banksy prints..
How does that work?
Well it seems everyone has strong opinions on this matter, but the funny thing is no one on here will be bidding at the auction on the 27th(or when ever) buying these Vermin street pieces and the people who are don't really give a shit what is said on here.
It is amazing how the world works.
Good luck all.
Yeahya
I don't understand how there is a difference between any of these companies(POW, LAZ, PC) apart from who works behind the counter? Banksy controls them all......right?
Also what is with this statement off the Lyon and Turnbull site on the bollard street piece ...
Provenance:
Jon Swinstead Collection
Note:
Jon Swinstead was the original founder of Pictures on Walls (POW) which is responsible for publishing all Banksy prints..
How does that work?
Well it seems everyone has strong opinions on this matter, but the funny thing is no one on here will be bidding at the auction on the 27th(or when ever) buying these Vermin street pieces and the people who are don't really give a shit what is said on here.
It is amazing how the world works.
Good luck all.
Yeahya
|
|
nattymatt
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 59
๐๐ป 0
September 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by nattymatt on Sept 12, 2008 10:21:12 GMT 1, i hear what your saying, but my issue is with PC. I have one off originals by BANKSY and have also sold one original canvas.
It makes me annoyed when pieces i got when no one knew much about him are now rendered worthless as PC won't authenticate them.
These are pieces relevent to the history and development of the artist. For PC to class an original Stencil of his as "fake" is untrue.
Anyway...whats wrong with selling a painting that you bought 7 years ago.
Also it seems authentication is going to be extremely important in years to come.
No point having Jimi Hendrix's burnt guitar without proof.....sold for ยฃ280,000
i hear what your saying, but my issue is with PC. I have one off originals by BANKSY and have also sold one original canvas.
It makes me annoyed when pieces i got when no one knew much about him are now rendered worthless as PC won't authenticate them.
These are pieces relevent to the history and development of the artist. For PC to class an original Stencil of his as "fake" is untrue.
Anyway...whats wrong with selling a painting that you bought 7 years ago.
Also it seems authentication is going to be extremely important in years to come.
No point having Jimi Hendrix's burnt guitar without proof.....sold for ยฃ280,000
|
|
guest2
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,471
๐๐ป 1
December 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by guest2 on Sept 12, 2008 10:22:45 GMT 1, I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber.
I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber. |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by onemandown72 on Sept 12, 2008 10:27:43 GMT 1, Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction? Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case. I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this?
This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question.
Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value
Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction? Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case. I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this? This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question. Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value |
|
|
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 12, 2008 10:28:57 GMT 1, I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber.
I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin???
I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber. I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin??? |
|
guest2
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,471
๐๐ป 1
December 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by guest2 on Sept 12, 2008 10:30:37 GMT 1, My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber. I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin???
Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert.
My heart bleeds for them. Maybe he should give up painting on the streets and become a plumber. I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin??? Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert. |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 12, 2008 10:34:08 GMT 1, Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction? Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case. I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this? This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question. Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value
no you are missing the point - the owner of the wall/trailer or whatever private property, should be the one who should seek authentication, not the person who "bought it off a builder, as they were going to knock the buiding down". Usually permission is given to the artist to do work on their property - so if the owner requests it, then i dare say, their shouldnt be an authentication issue.
Pest Control also authenticate prints which have high re-sale value, so that statement is wrong.
If art is art - then why not leave it at that, why make it a money thing in the first place?
Money isnt the driving force behind Pest Control, I would say its behind the likes of nattymatt and others who seek authentication via Pest Control. Why would you want to get a piece you have bought and, hopefully, been sitting on your wall for sometime authenticated, especially when you bought it from source, or the person you bought it from, provided you sufficient evidence to prove they were the original owners? Only for one reason, and that is to sell it!!! So rather then venting frustration or angst at Pest Control, why dont you vent it at the person who whacks this in to auction? Pest Control have made it clear many times before also, that they do not authenticate streetpieces - and if you hadnt bought the piece via an authorised channel or show - then who is to say that the piece represented IS the actual piece? There are enough determined fraudsters out there who can put a very convincing offering. So money isnt the driving force here, it is about protecting the integrity of the artist - also to say that Pest Control is such a thing, is like saying Banksy is in it for the money - which is furthest from the truth, and 99.9% of the people know that to be the case. I feel for Pest Control/Banksy, he gives gifts to people - what do they do, try and cash in. He does street pieces for all to enjoy, people lift them to try and cash in. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this? This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question. Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value no you are missing the point - the owner of the wall/trailer or whatever private property, should be the one who should seek authentication, not the person who "bought it off a builder, as they were going to knock the buiding down". Usually permission is given to the artist to do work on their property - so if the owner requests it, then i dare say, their shouldnt be an authentication issue. Pest Control also authenticate prints which have high re-sale value, so that statement is wrong. If art is art - then why not leave it at that, why make it a money thing in the first place? |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 12, 2008 10:34:51 GMT 1, I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin??? Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert.
yeah but i am not bitter and twisted about not being one
I wonder if Frankie is one of the "expert panel" who are known as Vermin??? Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert. yeah but i am not bitter and twisted about not being one |
|
guest2
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,471
๐๐ป 1
December 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by guest2 on Sept 12, 2008 10:36:33 GMT 1, Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert. yeah but i am not bitter and twisted about not being one
I'm very happy for you.
Nope, I'm like you, Def not a Banksy expert. yeah but i am not bitter and twisted about not being one I'm very happy for you. |
|
curiousgeorge
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,833
๐๐ป 1,091
March 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by curiousgeorge on Sept 12, 2008 11:15:52 GMT 1,
Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt" 
Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt" |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by onemandown72 on Sept 12, 2008 11:31:13 GMT 1, You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this? This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question. Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value no you are missing the point - the owner of the wall/trailer or whatever private property, should be the one who should seek authentication, not the person who "bought it off a builder, as they were going to knock the buiding down". Usually permission is given to the artist to do work on their property - so if the owner requests it, then i dare say, their shouldnt be an authentication issue.
And the artist can completely undermine this permission by invoking Droit Morale and claim that the work is no longer considered art once removed from it's original installation, completely undermining the initial permission. This a problem, and certainly something that the galleries can then utilise to their advantage in controlling the flow of early work into the market.
And this this does happen!
You're missing my point here, I'm not talking about when you have bought work, and not talking about "street pieces" but about work done on private property that is not on view on the street & was installation work (such as the Banksy trailer, the wall for Blur & the Swiss embassy). It's these works that the artists now seem to back away from authenticating when it comes to selling on. This is work that the artist in nearly every case would have been seen & watched executing - yet now they shy away from putting there name to it, why is this? This is the problem, and where Pest Control should use their judgement to clearly differentiate between authenticating pure "street pieces" and work that was never on the street for all to see. This is where the money aspect comes into play, as I previously stated if the work had a minimal re-sale value this wouldn't be a problem, at what point does value bring the validity of a piece into question. Surely art is art irrespective of it's monetary value no you are missing the point - the owner of the wall/trailer or whatever private property, should be the one who should seek authentication, not the person who "bought it off a builder, as they were going to knock the buiding down". Usually permission is given to the artist to do work on their property - so if the owner requests it, then i dare say, their shouldnt be an authentication issue. And the artist can completely undermine this permission by invoking Droit Morale and claim that the work is no longer considered art once removed from it's original installation, completely undermining the initial permission. This a problem, and certainly something that the galleries can then utilise to their advantage in controlling the flow of early work into the market. And this this does happen! |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 12, 2008 11:50:19 GMT 1, Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt"
i wasnt talking about art when i made that comment to you boygeorge, i was referring to your missus
Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt" i wasnt talking about art when i made that comment to you boygeorge, i was referring to your missus |
|
|
|
curiousgeorge
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,833
๐๐ป 1,091
March 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by curiousgeorge on Sept 12, 2008 12:31:49 GMT 1, Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt" i wasnt talking about art when i made that comment to you boygeorge, i was referring to your missus
Ohhh not only do you have money,looks and charm but bags of class too
Whatever next "Yo Mamma" jokes?
Says the man who looks at new art/artists in a to coin a phrase fashion "Worth a punt" i wasnt talking about art when i made that comment to you boygeorge, i was referring to your missus Ohhh not only do you have money,looks and charm but bags of class too Whatever next "Yo Mamma" jokes? |
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by weaver on Sept 12, 2008 22:45:22 GMT 1, Does anyone want to help me set up an authentication service for pieces only bought reom e-bay for less than 3100 in the last year? we can use our extensive knowledge to help collectors get their ยฃ20 genuine Bnaksy canvases authenticated. We can charge ยฃ50 a time and make a killing..... the service is called Dynorod......
maybe not, but it seems as easy as that to set yourself up as an expert these days.
Does anyone want to help me set up an authentication service for pieces only bought reom e-bay for less than 3100 in the last year? we can use our extensive knowledge to help collectors get their ยฃ20 genuine Bnaksy canvases authenticated. We can charge ยฃ50 a time and make a killing..... the service is called Dynorod......
maybe not, but it seems as easy as that to set yourself up as an expert these days.
|
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by alsbabar on Sept 15, 2008 10:42:26 GMT 1, smudger we have gone over this on the other thread.
Yes there may be some people on here who are banksy 'experts' - would their statements however stand in a court of law or in a legal dispute - no, why, because they are not authorised by the artist, with that said Pest Control are the only authorisation board/people for Banksy, who are also in the arbitrary position on passing judgement on his works.
smudger we have gone over this on the other thread.
Yes there may be some people on here who are banksy 'experts' - would their statements however stand in a court of law or in a legal dispute - no, why, because they are not authorised by the artist, with that said Pest Control are the only authorisation board/people for Banksy, who are also in the arbitrary position on passing judgement on his works.
|
|
|
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by manty on Sept 15, 2008 11:58:48 GMT 1, Maybe pest control should charge say 10% of the future sale fee for any street pieces the authenticate and donate it to whatever charity they are supporting, and charge a non refundable fee of ยฃ400 if the peice is a fake
Or maybe not :-)
Maybe pest control should charge say 10% of the future sale fee for any street pieces the authenticate and donate it to whatever charity they are supporting, and charge a non refundable fee of ยฃ400 if the peice is a fake
Or maybe not :-)
|
|
Run Pig Run
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,437
๐๐ป 9
January 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Run Pig Run on Nov 24, 2008 21:22:24 GMT 1, I have a olden day banksy numbered but not stamped that I bought on ebay ages ago. i have a email from pow saying it was bought at santas ghetto.
I want to sell it
questions are: do I need this rip off pest control piece of paper?, how can they tell it's genuine from sending in some photos of it? and what if they say it's a fake backdoor print that someone has scibbled a number on?....can they tell?
I have a olden day banksy numbered but not stamped that I bought on ebay ages ago. i have a email from pow saying it was bought at santas ghetto.
I want to sell it
questions are: do I need this rip off pest control piece of paper?, how can they tell it's genuine from sending in some photos of it? and what if they say it's a fake backdoor print that someone has scibbled a number on?....can they tell?
|
|
G-Man
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,529
๐๐ป 33
November 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by G-Man on Nov 24, 2008 21:35:59 GMT 1, Dora can tell if its her hand writing I sent about 6 photos of a Banksy and she let me know within hours that it was genuine
They see so many and you know what it's like you can always tell your own hand writing
I would send a load of photos to her direct. she sorted out prov for me realy quickly
Dora can tell if its her hand writing I sent about 6 photos of a Banksy and she let me know within hours that it was genuine
They see so many and you know what it's like you can always tell your own hand writing
I would send a load of photos to her direct. she sorted out prov for me realy quickly
|
|
Run Pig Run
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,437
๐๐ป 9
January 2006
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Run Pig Run on Nov 24, 2008 21:58:47 GMT 1, she wasn't working there when it was numbered. and what if the person who numbered it was a bit shakey that day? suddenly my print gets called a fake.
she wasn't working there when it was numbered. and what if the person who numbered it was a bit shakey that day? suddenly my print gets called a fake.
|
|
craigf
Full Member
๐จ๏ธ 8,557
๐๐ป 846
May 2007
|
Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by craigf on Nov 24, 2008 22:18:27 GMT 1, Being nosey about what you might be letting go of, pls tell ;D
Being nosey about what you might be letting go of, pls tell ;D
|
|
