Terry Fuckwitt
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Terry Fuckwitt on Oct 25, 2021 18:34:57 GMT 1, I don't know and I don't care, I was just correcting misinformation that it was sold. Why would someone offer higher than what the Buy it now price was? That's just a bit daft. From others outside of eBay, like forums and Craigslist.
Or accepted a lower offer and sold to avoid the fees.
I don't know and I don't care, I was just correcting misinformation that it was sold. Why would someone offer higher than what the Buy it now price was? That's just a bit daft. From others outside of eBay, like forums and Craigslist. Or accepted a lower offer and sold to avoid the fees.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by collectionlover on Oct 25, 2021 21:19:01 GMT 1, Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐
Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐
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orchid
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by orchid on Oct 25, 2021 22:20:29 GMT 1, Watch out, he posts here! Not sure why he's whining about an unsigned Nara anyway, given his collection.
Watch out, he posts here! Not sure why he's whining about an unsigned Nara anyway, given his collection.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by collectionlover on Oct 25, 2021 22:29:18 GMT 1, Good, let him see it. Maybe heโll become a bit more self-aware.
The guy gets most pre-orders and double orders on releases, but has the nerve to cry about one drop. Clearly he can afford to buy a signed Nara, so he should just do that rather than complain.
Good, let him see it. Maybe heโll become a bit more self-aware.
The guy gets most pre-orders and double orders on releases, but has the nerve to cry about one drop. Clearly he can afford to buy a signed Nara, so he should just do that rather than complain.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by That Print Guy on Oct 25, 2021 22:40:51 GMT 1, Ha just like that guy that missed the ceramic dino. Entitled cry babies, nothing more.
Ha just like that guy that missed the ceramic dino. Entitled cry babies, nothing more.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Happy Shopper on Oct 25, 2021 22:45:51 GMT 1, Similar, nice quality poster versions available from Naraโs own website, for those that just like the image.
www.nsyard.shop/?pid=127731543
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ca
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by ca on Oct 26, 2021 14:32:16 GMT 1, Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ [/a] [/quote]But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย [/quote]
One of the rare limited releases from one of the worldโs most popular artists at a very reasonable price, you were going to get flippers either way
Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ [/a] [/quote]But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย [/quote] One of the rare limited releases from one of the worldโs most popular artists at a very reasonable price, you were going to get flippers either way
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Jimini Cricket
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Jimini Cricket on Oct 26, 2021 14:41:39 GMT 1, It was underpriced. If these were priced higher and there were no margins, there would not be as much demand. Take a look at the PACE Tomoo Gokita NADA print.
It was underpriced. If these were priced higher and there were no margins, there would not be as much demand. Take a look at the PACE Tomoo Gokita NADA print.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Happy Shopper on Oct 26, 2021 14:46:48 GMT 1, It was underpriced. If these were priced higher and there were no margins, there would not be as much demand. Take a look at the PACE Tomoo Gokita NADA print. Cheap things sell quick shocker !
It was underpriced. If these were priced higher and there were no margins, there would not be as much demand. Take a look at the PACE Tomoo Gokita NADA print. Cheap things sell quick shocker !
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 14:55:05 GMT 1, Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย
Donโt believe everything you read.
Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย Donโt believe everything you read.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by collectionlover on Oct 26, 2021 15:22:48 GMT 1, Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย
Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population.
Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people.
Letโs all have a good laugh at Toykio, whining on Insta about not being able to grab this edition. Talk about obnoxious. Hahah โreal collectorโ ๐ But he has a point, doesn't he? ย Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. ย The vultures are already selling them on here. ย Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? ย It's hard to beat the bots. ย Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Happy Shopper on Oct 26, 2021 16:08:45 GMT 1, But he has a point, doesn't he? Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. The vultures are already selling them on here. Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? It's hard to beat the bots. Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. I think this is a little bit true, and could distort an artist's market.
I'm not sure if he actually gets more than one of everything though, I've usually only seen one, but I remember being shocked when I first saw he had every (probably) Faile print ever.... and most of those are small editions. You wonder how many people are in this scene, buying these expensive prints, and then you realise it's mostly 1 or 2 rich collectors buying up everything... It could be a bad thing at some point.
But he has a point, doesn't he? Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. The vultures are already selling them on here. Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? It's hard to beat the bots. Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. I think this is a little bit true, and could distort an artist's market. I'm not sure if he actually gets more than one of everything though, I've usually only seen one, but I remember being shocked when I first saw he had every (probably) Faile print ever.... and most of those are small editions. You wonder how many people are in this scene, buying these expensive prints, and then you realise it's mostly 1 or 2 rich collectors buying up everything... It could be a bad thing at some point.
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Francis
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Francis on Oct 26, 2021 18:17:45 GMT 1, But he has a point, doesn't he? Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. The vultures are already selling them on here. Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? It's hard to beat the bots. Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese?
But he has a point, doesn't he? Some of these certainly did go to flippers rather than fans. The vultures are already selling them on here. Wouldn't a raffle have been fairer, as he suggests? It's hard to beat the bots. Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese?
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by collectionlover on Oct 26, 2021 18:32:09 GMT 1, Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol
Maybe Iโm going to get shit for this, but if your art collection seems more like a horde than a collection, youโre just as bad a a flipper. Toykio hordes releases, and has used his connections to get 2 or 3 works (depending on the drop) at a time. When the Haroshi marble sculptures released, AA had a supposedly strict rule of one per person. Yet the guy came out with both colors. VIP aside, thatโs one less sculpture for the general population. Like flippers, he believes heโs entitled to these releases which ultimately results in less products for the people. Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol
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ca
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by ca on Oct 26, 2021 18:53:24 GMT 1, I think yall might be getting a little bit too personal at this point, time to chill, it's a print release
I think yall might be getting a little bit too personal at this point, time to chill, it's a print release
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by iforgot my username on Oct 26, 2021 18:57:35 GMT 1, Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Burgers are actually pretty, pretty good! LD
Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Burgers are actually pretty, pretty good! LD
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by iforgot my username on Oct 26, 2021 18:59:06 GMT 1, These phaidon editions are a little bit mixed bag. Jonas Wood was pretty bad imho, this was is very nice. False. The printing, bag and book were top notch. The problem is that it was out of his colorful style and too many flippers tried to speculate. I have it framed and it looks exceptional Spot on, couldn't agree more. Can't wait to see this in the flesh.
These phaidon editions are a little bit mixed bag. Jonas Wood was pretty bad imho, this was is very nice. False. The printing, bag and book were top notch. The problem is that it was out of his colorful style and too many flippers tried to speculate. I have it framed and it looks exceptional Spot on, couldn't agree more. Can't wait to see this in the flesh.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 19:46:13 GMT 1, Have never seen his Instagram until now -
His burger chain looks banging His art collection is incredible & He clearly loves art. Like us all. Relax.
Have never seen his Instagram until now -
His burger chain looks banging His art collection is incredible & He clearly loves art. Like us all. Relax.
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beicoblack
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by beicoblack on Oct 26, 2021 20:00:11 GMT 1, Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Burgers are actually pretty, pretty good! LD I actually don't know him very well, but met him a few times in Dusseldorf.
The burgers are very good indeed and he is collecting art since way more than 20 years.
Don't know anyone with a bigger collection than this guy.
Not that I want to defend him or anything but why the hate?
Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Burgers are actually pretty, pretty good! LD I actually don't know him very well, but met him a few times in Dusseldorf. The burgers are very good indeed and he is collecting art since way more than 20 years. Don't know anyone with a bigger collection than this guy. Not that I want to defend him or anything but why the hate?
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dex
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by dex on Oct 26, 2021 20:13:45 GMT 1, Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorf was called Toykio.
Perhaps he feels entitled to the Nara release because he is Japanese? Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorf was called Toykio.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by That Print Guy on Oct 26, 2021 20:30:04 GMT 1, Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorfย was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots")
Heโs a white German guy who owns a sub par burger chain that is clearly a ripoff of BlackTap. His user name is misleading. Lol Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorfย was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots")
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dex
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by dex on Oct 26, 2021 20:51:12 GMT 1, Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorf was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots") He's also a member of this forum. See urbanartassociation.com/thread/113752/gourmet-burgers-shepard-fairey-artworks
Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorf was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots") He's also a member of this forum. See urbanartassociation.com/thread/113752/gourmet-burgers-shepard-fairey-artworks
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:52:23 GMT 1, I think he doesnโt give a fuck what anyone on here thinks and thank god for that.
I think he doesnโt give a fuck what anyone on here thinks and thank god for that.
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Fairxat
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Fairxat on Oct 26, 2021 21:16:25 GMT 1, Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorfย was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots")
Wait until you see this guys art collection www.instagram.com/nusr_et/
Pretty sure he's from Turkey. His old place in Dรผsseldorfย was called Toykio. ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots") Wait until you see this guys art collection www.instagram.com/nusr_et/
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 21:35:42 GMT 1, I have sexy Nara plates available at ยฃ1500 each
Edition of 175! ๐คฏ
Cheaper than cheap
I have sexy Nara plates available at ยฃ1500 each
Edition of 175! ๐คฏ
Cheaper than cheap
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Francis
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Francis on Oct 26, 2021 21:43:44 GMT 1, ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots") Wait until you see this guys art collection www.instagram.com/nusr_et/ It's mostly steaks and salt.
ahhhhh I know I recognized the name but couldn't place it. That guy is a mega collector. At this point you would think people at that level would be partnered with other people that can guarantee them purchases (instead of time wasting crying about "bots") Wait until you see this guys art collection www.instagram.com/nusr_et/It's mostly steaks and salt.
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Backpack Punk on Oct 26, 2021 21:46:54 GMT 1, For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes.
For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes.
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Jimini Cricket
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Jimini Cricket on Oct 26, 2021 23:00:21 GMT 1, For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes.
Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want.
For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes. Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want.
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rosac
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by rosac on Oct 27, 2021 19:24:45 GMT 1, For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes. Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want.
Well thatโs not exactly true is it
For those that don't know Toykio is an extremely nice person who has been collecting for quite a long time. I have had a couple of dealings with him over the years and he has been extremely easy to deal with. He has a genuine love for street art and the artists and the means to collect in a way many people want to. He is one of the last people around here that should be getting negative vibes. Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want. Well thatโs not exactly true is it
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Jimini Cricket
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Yoshitomo Nara ๐ฏ๐ต New Print Release โข Contemporary Art , by Jimini Cricket on Oct 27, 2021 21:27:39 GMT 1, Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want. Well thatโs not exactly true is it
What do you suggest then?
Everyone is nice until they don't get what they want. Well thatโs not exactly true is it What do you suggest then?
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