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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on May 16, 2020 1:29:27 GMT 1, Question: Would I buy a car for $75,000 without any title, nor even the absolute guarantee of gaining a title after a wait of two years? Answer: Would I fück, I’m not a fücking imbecile. What if it was signed by Banksy and you got a COA in 2 years?
Question: Would I buy a car for $75,000 without any title, nor even the absolute guarantee of gaining a title after a wait of two years? Answer: Would I fück, I’m not a fücking imbecile. What if it was signed by Banksy and you got a COA in 2 years? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on May 16, 2020 1:31:44 GMT 1, Economies are going to get smashed in the next twelve months, not sure what it will do for art? Already seeing more sales on here for prints. Just looking at our (Australian) stats for the economy, we haven’t had a recession in 30years but a big one is looming, lots of jobs lost, house prices going to fall, share market crashed. Cash is king for next few years I wouldn't be investing in any thing. hirst first major auction after the 2008 crash took a big hit and his market has still not recovered , Nothing has been seen like this before effecting the worlds economy Even the mentioned big spenders will be effected , Money tied up in shares which have dropped drastically , housing market set to crash , the only market guaranteed to grow is the gold market
#DoomPorn right here
Economies are going to get smashed in the next twelve months, not sure what it will do for art? Already seeing more sales on here for prints. Just looking at our (Australian) stats for the economy, we haven’t had a recession in 30years but a big one is looming, lots of jobs lost, house prices going to fall, share market crashed. Cash is king for next few years I wouldn't be investing in any thing. hirst first major auction after the 2008 crash took a big hit and his market has still not recovered , Nothing has been seen like this before effecting the worlds economy Even the mentioned big spenders will be effected , Money tied up in shares which have dropped drastically , housing market set to crash , the only market guaranteed to grow is the gold market #DoomPorn right here |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Pootle on May 16, 2020 8:32:58 GMT 1, What if it was signed by Banksy and you got a COA in 2 years? MAYBEYou missed a word....
You would have to believe that those buying banksquiats now are of the belief that they are buying at a significant discount to the market value in 2 years time and hence are willing to take the risk
What if it was signed by Banksy and you got a COA in 2 years? MAYBEYou missed a word.... You would have to believe that those buying banksquiats now are of the belief that they are buying at a significant discount to the market value in 2 years time and hence are willing to take the risk |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on May 16, 2020 8:47:55 GMT 1, Try and sell any Banksy without a COA whether it be a Girl With Balloon or Napalm. It's going to be a problem, Banksquiat sales are no different. No COA no clear ownership, equals risk.
Risk = reward
If that isn’t for you - don’t buy it. I feel like you’ve posted the same thing 10 times in a week on here.
Try and sell any Banksy without a COA whether it be a Girl With Balloon or Napalm. It's going to be a problem, Banksquiat sales are no different. No COA no clear ownership, equals risk. Risk = reward If that isn’t for you - don’t buy it. I feel like you’ve posted the same thing 10 times in a week on here. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Javier on May 16, 2020 11:08:20 GMT 1, I love the way everybody has a different opinion about some details of prices vs COA (something logical as it’s impossible to have one only true when facts are not involved)
But what it really makes me laugh is that this conversation will go on for a long time, and seems nobody considers that GDP said: “We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.”
If you remember, GDP mail were sent November 6th. More than six months has passed. So, now you can insert also that COA’s will be issued in a year and a half, so the possibility of death, alien abduction, earthquakes are going smaller. Enjoy this new variable
I love the way everybody has a different opinion about some details of prices vs COA (something logical as it’s impossible to have one only true when facts are not involved)
But what it really makes me laugh is that this conversation will go on for a long time, and seems nobody considers that GDP said: “We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.”
If you remember, GDP mail were sent November 6th. More than six months has passed. So, now you can insert also that COA’s will be issued in a year and a half, so the possibility of death, alien abduction, earthquakes are going smaller. Enjoy this new variable
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by irl1 on May 16, 2020 11:29:22 GMT 1, You would have to believe that those buying banksquiats now are of the belief that they are buying at a significant discount to the market value in 2 years time and hence are willing to take the risk I think that is a given but it's one hell of a risk. It's not like you can't buy other signed prints with a COA at the same price or even less.
Some people are still waiting on the COA for their Sale Ends, the wait for the banksquiat COA could go a lot longer than the 2 years (we just don't know what way this will go)
You would have to believe that those buying banksquiats now are of the belief that they are buying at a significant discount to the market value in 2 years time and hence are willing to take the risk I think that is a given but it's one hell of a risk. It's not like you can't buy other signed prints with a COA at the same price or even less. Some people are still waiting on the COA for their Sale Ends, the wait for the banksquiat COA could go a lot longer than the 2 years (we just don't know what way this will go) |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Winter on May 16, 2020 14:22:02 GMT 1, Looking to buy a Banksquiat print for my collection. PM only please.
Looking to buy a Banksquiat print for my collection. PM only please.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by hazydavy on May 17, 2020 8:17:23 GMT 1, There is no risk for this print popularity, because it’s tribute to Basquiat. This is first GDP print being sold by Banksy itself. The only problem here is that early buyers could be without COA The only problem you point out, is a massive problem for many. And why would anyone care it came from GDP? I've heard there are high quality fakes out there now, as many know there are no coa's and they'll catch a few mugs. The fakes are screenprinted and of the highest quality in both grey and black, even have a blindstamp. Not to mention that PC will only issue COA to the original owner, so better stay on the sellers good side after you fork over your cash. Send a gift on their birthday, if they think you ripped off on purchase, start saving for the ransom.
Is there any actual evidence that there are fakes out there?
There is no risk for this print popularity, because it’s tribute to Basquiat. This is first GDP print being sold by Banksy itself. The only problem here is that early buyers could be without COA The only problem you point out, is a massive problem for many. And why would anyone care it came from GDP? I've heard there are high quality fakes out there now, as many know there are no coa's and they'll catch a few mugs. The fakes are screenprinted and of the highest quality in both grey and black, even have a blindstamp. Not to mention that PC will only issue COA to the original owner, so better stay on the sellers good side after you fork over your cash. Send a gift on their birthday, if they think you ripped off on purchase, start saving for the ransom. Is there any actual evidence that there are fakes out there? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by sandinista on May 17, 2020 12:26:20 GMT 1, What's the story with WCP prints? Does he just copy all prints or does he actually have access to the original positives? I seem to recall someone saying he did.
What's the story with WCP prints? Does he just copy all prints or does he actually have access to the original positives? I seem to recall someone saying he did.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by mikegood on May 20, 2020 16:19:16 GMT 1, Hey all,
I finally found and brought my print to a framer who gave me some options. He is pretty expensive, but is a apt only shop, and primarily does framing as a bi-product of his restoration/conservation work. He's been in business for 57 years and is in his 70's (if any of this really matters). The options:
1. Traditional framing style, with Japanese hinge tape, etc.. The problem here is that this is never 'fully' reversible, like most will tell you. The adhesive still absorbs into the print (as it is a liquid) to some degree. I assume this is how most of the Banksquit's we've seen have been framed.
2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no.
3. Not sure what it's called, but basically dropping the print into a recessed matte that is the same thickness of the print, and then adding another matte on top to hold it in place. This method prevent me from framing it the way I'd like to display it.. and he mentioned that he uses an acrylic board to do this process involving a bit of static electricity as the acrylic 'cling sheet' is pulled away and the print is laid on to that. He says some dislike this method because they 'think' it could cause molding in humid environments due to the acrylic backing.
My gut is to go with the traditional Japanese hinge.
Regardless, I saw some talking last week about the price of framing for something this size and community members gasp as the cost (like 1200$)... I was quoted $1400, which seems extremely high... but also, he seems more reputable and trust worthy than most I've talked to at local shops... white gloves, independent room for inspection, etc... He took a lot of time to explain the process as well...
Thoughts on the method & cost, guys? Thanks in advance. Will def post pics when finished.
Hey all,
I finally found and brought my print to a framer who gave me some options. He is pretty expensive, but is a apt only shop, and primarily does framing as a bi-product of his restoration/conservation work. He's been in business for 57 years and is in his 70's (if any of this really matters). The options:
1. Traditional framing style, with Japanese hinge tape, etc.. The problem here is that this is never 'fully' reversible, like most will tell you. The adhesive still absorbs into the print (as it is a liquid) to some degree. I assume this is how most of the Banksquit's we've seen have been framed.
2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no.
3. Not sure what it's called, but basically dropping the print into a recessed matte that is the same thickness of the print, and then adding another matte on top to hold it in place. This method prevent me from framing it the way I'd like to display it.. and he mentioned that he uses an acrylic board to do this process involving a bit of static electricity as the acrylic 'cling sheet' is pulled away and the print is laid on to that. He says some dislike this method because they 'think' it could cause molding in humid environments due to the acrylic backing.
My gut is to go with the traditional Japanese hinge.
Regardless, I saw some talking last week about the price of framing for something this size and community members gasp as the cost (like 1200$)... I was quoted $1400, which seems extremely high... but also, he seems more reputable and trust worthy than most I've talked to at local shops... white gloves, independent room for inspection, etc... He took a lot of time to explain the process as well...
Thoughts on the method & cost, guys? Thanks in advance. Will def post pics when finished.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Pipes on May 20, 2020 17:16:56 GMT 1, 2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no.
2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no. Sorry - couldn't resist... |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by whatisart on May 21, 2020 0:29:57 GMT 1, Hey all, I finally found and brought my print to a framer who gave me some options. He is pretty expensive, but is a apt only shop, and primarily does framing as a bi-product of his restoration/conservation work. He's been in business for 57 years and is in his 70's (if any of this really matters). The options: 1. Traditional framing style, with Japanese hinge tape, etc.. The problem here is that this is never 'fully' reversible, like most will tell you. The adhesive still absorbs into the print (as it is a liquid) to some degree. I assume this is how most of the Banksquit's we've seen have been framed. 2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no. 3. Not sure what it's called, but basically dropping the print into a recessed matte that is the same thickness of the print, and then adding another matte on top to hold it in place. This method prevent me from framing it the way I'd like to display it.. and he mentioned that he uses an acrylic board to do this process involving a bit of static electricity as the acrylic 'cling sheet' is pulled away and the print is laid on to that. He says some dislike this method because they 'think' it could cause molding in humid environments due to the acrylic backing. My gut is to go with the traditional Japanese hinge. Regardless, I saw some talking last week about the price of framing for something this size and community members gasp as the cost (like 1200$)... I was quoted $1400, which seems extremely high... but also, he seems more reputable and trust worthy than most I've talked to at local shops... white gloves, independent room for inspection, etc... He took a lot of time to explain the process as well... Thoughts on the method & cost, guys? Thanks in advance. Will def post pics when finished.
Hey all, I finally found and brought my print to a framer who gave me some options. He is pretty expensive, but is a apt only shop, and primarily does framing as a bi-product of his restoration/conservation work. He's been in business for 57 years and is in his 70's (if any of this really matters). The options: 1. Traditional framing style, with Japanese hinge tape, etc.. The problem here is that this is never 'fully' reversible, like most will tell you. The adhesive still absorbs into the print (as it is a liquid) to some degree. I assume this is how most of the Banksquit's we've seen have been framed. 2. Magnets- Yea, I had never heard of this either. But it seems like a more advanced technique is creating a matte with embedded magnets, and then to place small painted magnets on top of the print in key places (as to not be noticed). At the end of the day, you're likely to still notice the magnets when up close. And I wonder if the magnets would eventually leave a mark? He says no. 3. Not sure what it's called, but basically dropping the print into a recessed matte that is the same thickness of the print, and then adding another matte on top to hold it in place. This method prevent me from framing it the way I'd like to display it.. and he mentioned that he uses an acrylic board to do this process involving a bit of static electricity as the acrylic 'cling sheet' is pulled away and the print is laid on to that. He says some dislike this method because they 'think' it could cause molding in humid environments due to the acrylic backing. My gut is to go with the traditional Japanese hinge. Regardless, I saw some talking last week about the price of framing for something this size and community members gasp as the cost (like 1200$)... I was quoted $1400, which seems extremely high... but also, he seems more reputable and trust worthy than most I've talked to at local shops... white gloves, independent room for inspection, etc... He took a lot of time to explain the process as well... Thoughts on the method & cost, guys? Thanks in advance. Will def post pics when finished. that was me and all told i'll be out the door at $1800. i went with a japenese hinge mount that uses paste (no tape afaik) with museum grade Optium Acrylic glass. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by JL Broooks on May 21, 2020 1:22:01 GMT 1, Japanese hinges and float mounted. Don’t do matted as that will very often leave a burn on the print. Even if hinges would leave some residue on the back of the print, that really doesn’t damage the value much. And Japanese hinges are acid free - there should be no ‘acid damage’ on the paper.
Japanese hinges and float mounted. Don’t do matted as that will very often leave a burn on the print. Even if hinges would leave some residue on the back of the print, that really doesn’t damage the value much. And Japanese hinges are acid free - there should be no ‘acid damage’ on the paper.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by esfer on May 21, 2020 18:13:29 GMT 1, Some people are still waiting on the COA for their Sale Ends, the wait for the banksquiat COA could go a lot longer than the 2 years (we just don't know what way this will go) Totally - it's not like they're even that cheap that it makes it worth the risk.
So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received).
The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product.
Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA.
I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners.
Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag.
Thoughts?
Some people are still waiting on the COA for their Sale Ends, the wait for the banksquiat COA could go a lot longer than the 2 years (we just don't know what way this will go) Totally - it's not like they're even that cheap that it makes it worth the risk. So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received). The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product. Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA. I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners. Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag. Thoughts? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Dive Jedi on May 21, 2020 18:26:12 GMT 1, Totally - it's not like they're even that cheap that it makes it worth the risk. So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received). The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product. Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA. I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners. Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag. Thoughts?
Totally - it's not like they're even that cheap that it makes it worth the risk. So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received). The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product. Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA. I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners. Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag. Thoughts? Well, to keep it short: yeah….. but no. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:19:28 GMT 1, I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner. Yes, COA's to original owners, and some very good fakes out there.
as if these have been faked already, it’s not hard to prove it is real. If you had one you’d know this .
I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner. Yes, COA's to original owners, and some very good fakes out there. You just sound salty now. as if these have been faked already, it’s not hard to prove it is real. If you had one you’d know this . |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:37:27 GMT 1, So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received). The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product. Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA. I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners. Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag. Thoughts? I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner.
I bought mine from source & If anything this piece comes with too much provenance.
I think other members are thinking into this way too much!
So I might have missed a post somewhere along the way, but I have not heard anybody mention the product tag that accompanies the Banksquiat print (that a friend of mine received). The tag looks an awful lot like a sales tag (or COA) to me. It's a printed tag on heavy card stock, with the words "Banksquiat (black)" at the top. It also has the edition number (hand written), and it has an item number (hand written), and it has the words "100% official product" (hand written). Then there is a Bar code, which could be a genuine product Bar code, specific to the black Banksquiat. At the botyom are some copyrighted logos for Banksy and Gross domestic product. Having this along with the print would go a LONG WAY in proving legitimacy of a print without having a PC COA. I'm not going to post any images as that should be kept private for the print owners. Let me just finish with, it is an amazingly authentic product tag. Thoughts? I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner. FWIW I think you’re completely right. I bought mine from source & If anything this piece comes with too much provenance. I think other members are thinking into this way too much! |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by glap86 on May 23, 2020 3:53:47 GMT 1, I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner. FWIW I think you’re completely right. I bought mine from source & If anything this piece comes with too much provenance. I think other members are thinking into this way too much!
It also makes value diminish the more it is sold, as that peg board gets even more strings added.
I don't think it will be hard for a seller to prove authenticity with a) application confirmation / success email / order confirmation from GDP, b) email correspondence from Flight Logistics, c) proper packaging (including the tag you mention along with a couple of other features), but i don't think that's the issue. The issue is the risk a buyer takes on by buying without a CoA in hand. GDP have confirmed that a CoA will only be issued to the buyer at the address the print was delivered to. If the buyer smokebombs / moves house and forgets about the CoA etc., PC could (potentially, in theory) turn down a request for a CoA / change of ownership from the new owner. FWIW I think you’re completely right. I bought mine from source & If anything this piece comes with too much provenance. I think other members are thinking into this way too much! I disagree. It cuts down your market. All it takes is one, of course, but I know personally I'd never buy a piece (for which a CoA was offered) that doesn't "have the CoA, but check out this peg board of strings and thumbtacks that prove this came from Banksy!" -- at least not for same value as with the CoA. It also makes value diminish the more it is sold, as that peg board gets even more strings added. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by apprint on May 23, 2020 8:08:47 GMT 1, Looking to buy one of those banksy!
If any one is looking to sale drop me a PM
Looking to buy one of those banksy!
If any one is looking to sale drop me a PM
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Winter on May 23, 2020 16:11:24 GMT 1, Looking to buy PM please
Looking to buy PM please
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by sirarthur on May 26, 2020 12:41:49 GMT 1,
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by FЯ on May 26, 2020 12:45:06 GMT 1, After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Can someone ban this account. thanks |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by irl1 on May 26, 2020 12:55:13 GMT 1, After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Can someone ban this account. thanks
sirarthur will you just f*** o** , thank you Sir
DONE 
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Can someone ban this account. thanks sirarthur will you just f*** o** , thank you Sir DONE |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 26, 2020 13:02:26 GMT 1, After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£
I'll fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ I'll fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by hazydavy on May 26, 2020 13:32:01 GMT 1, After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£
Obvs a typo. He meant £1.3m.
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Obvs a typo. He meant £1.3m. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Zippy on May 26, 2020 13:35:51 GMT 1, There was a post on another thread about sir Arthur and his other forum accounts.
There was a post on another thread about sir Arthur and his other forum accounts.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Zippy on May 26, 2020 13:38:17 GMT 1,
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by shy on May 26, 2020 18:23:17 GMT 1, After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Obvs a typo. He meant £1.3m.
After two years they will be on the market with COA for 130000£ Obvs a typo. He meant £1.3m. why not? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by whatisart on May 26, 2020 18:57:31 GMT 1, mine is here...
mine is here... |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by alexita on May 26, 2020 20:48:31 GMT 1, Anyone paying £80k for a print from an edition of 600 that has no auction record and no COA being issued for 2 years needs to think very carefully. If I had £80k to spend on a Banksy print I'd be going for one, possibly two equally desirable images that have taken many years to get to the level they are at.
Even seeing the photos shared here, it's a Black edition of 300 and a Grey edition of 300.
In my opinion the two editions (Black Vs Grey) should be kept separate.
For example, the auction houses calculates the total indicated on the same work (obviously, if numbered) in their evaluation - The Black version did not report 600 as total number of copies, but 300. Same thing for the Grey version.
Consequence: when later on someone will sell (and I sincerely hope that it will never happen and that everyone will have the decency to leave this beautiful piece of art on their wall) a Black edition will be estimated on a total of 300 (and not 600). The same thing for the Grey edition.
Don't you think? Thanks!
Anyone paying £80k for a print from an edition of 600 that has no auction record and no COA being issued for 2 years needs to think very carefully. If I had £80k to spend on a Banksy print I'd be going for one, possibly two equally desirable images that have taken many years to get to the level they are at. Sorry guys, but just for my understanding. Why do you keep saying it's a total edition of 600? Even seeing the photos shared here, it's a Black edition of 300 and a Grey edition of 300. In my opinion the two editions (Black Vs Grey) should be kept separate. For example, the auction houses calculates the total indicated on the same work (obviously, if numbered) in their evaluation - The Black version did not report 600 as total number of copies, but 300. Same thing for the Grey version. Consequence: when later on someone will sell (and I sincerely hope that it will never happen and that everyone will have the decency to leave this beautiful piece of art on their wall) a Black edition will be estimated on a total of 300 (and not 600). The same thing for the Grey edition. Don't you think? Thanks! |
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