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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on Sept 28, 2020 23:27:50 GMT 1, Fumes : contain most def acidic lignin, and fformaldehyde, pitch,resin.
Fumes : contain most def acidic lignin, and fformaldehyde, pitch,resin.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on Sept 28, 2020 23:29:39 GMT 1, Some people choose to ignore this as they have invested too much into their wood frames collection, so to each their own, but yea this is pretty much the hard scientific bottom line
Some people choose to ignore this as they have invested too much into their wood frames collection, so to each their own, but yea this is pretty much the hard scientific bottom line
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Lord Lucas Roham on Sept 28, 2020 23:42:16 GMT 1, What was raffle response? Curious what people who won on GDP went with.
What was raffle response? Curious what people who won on GDP went with.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by jp on Sept 29, 2020 1:05:42 GMT 1, I'll make this as brief as I can(your framer should know this, if not, move on, trust me) Oak is one of the worst woods for conservation, it has one of the most volatile acidity known for wood working and conservation. All wood is made up of the same chemical compounds that exude fumes regardless of curation(3coats of shellac is standard, and yet that lets the chem fumes from the wood pass through in due time). If you want to use top wood use pawlonia wood, asian antique museums use it on a last resort basis. I can go on and on with knowledge from different libraries and update standards but I have done this before and people just choose to believe what they want, though science typically is spot on. Go for metal framing or acrylic, make sure there is an aluminum mylar layer in the backing and sealing of the frame, this is a must for ambiance variations. The updated knowledge is out there if you search, most framers just do not take the time to research what nnot because they do not have the time or have a business to run etc..but the updated scientific findings incorporated into conservation practices has leaped in the last 10 years.
Do you have any photographic evidence of a piece of art ruined by fumes from an oak frame? I'm genuinely curious to see what it is you are referring to.
I'll make this as brief as I can(your framer should know this, if not, move on, trust me) Oak is one of the worst woods for conservation, it has one of the most volatile acidity known for wood working and conservation. All wood is made up of the same chemical compounds that exude fumes regardless of curation(3coats of shellac is standard, and yet that lets the chem fumes from the wood pass through in due time). If you want to use top wood use pawlonia wood, asian antique museums use it on a last resort basis. I can go on and on with knowledge from different libraries and update standards but I have done this before and people just choose to believe what they want, though science typically is spot on. Go for metal framing or acrylic, make sure there is an aluminum mylar layer in the backing and sealing of the frame, this is a must for ambiance variations. The updated knowledge is out there if you search, most framers just do not take the time to research what nnot because they do not have the time or have a business to run etc..but the updated scientific findings incorporated into conservation practices has leaped in the last 10 years. "Oak is one of the worst woods for conservation, it has one of the most volatile acidity known for wood working and conservation." Do you have any photographic evidence of a piece of art ruined by fumes from an oak frame? I'm genuinely curious to see what it is you are referring to. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on Sept 29, 2020 2:06:09 GMT 1, While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings
Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage
While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings
Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by 1st Design on Sept 29, 2020 5:47:34 GMT 1, While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage
Thanks for sharing the info. I have Google the subjekt and I Can only find something about out gassing on furniture and that kind of stuff. Can you push me in the right direction maybe with a link? Was the study you have seen about framework or “just” in general off-gassing?
While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage Thanks for sharing the info. I have Google the subjekt and I Can only find something about out gassing on furniture and that kind of stuff. Can you push me in the right direction maybe with a link? Was the study you have seen about framework or “just” in general off-gassing? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by 1st Design on Sept 29, 2020 7:26:19 GMT 1, While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage
Maybe a vapor-impermeable barrier like a tape could be a good solution and a cheap extra safety precaution. I am still a little critical about how “Big” the issue is in the end, but it is still very interesting to talk about the topic and get more knowledge.
While I do not have this evidence, there have been studies done on this subject by major institutions in the US, Canada and if I remember correctly France. You can find all this info on google, heck even Gaylord Archival recommends the non use of it in long term framing..these findings are fairly new to most, as within the last decade or so they began to publicize these findings Curious is good, let that be the drive to the research, like me you will find the forementioned to be true. We are talking about gassing off in time lapse of years and not months, 7-10yrs plus..if I remember correctly you can find the France study online complete with pictures on the different woods used in cases throughout modern history and which let off the most chemical fumes over time, hence why museums turned to special metal and acrylic encasings for long term storage Maybe a vapor-impermeable barrier like a tape could be a good solution and a cheap extra safety precaution. I am still a little critical about how “Big” the issue is in the end, but it is still very interesting to talk about the topic and get more knowledge. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by 1st Design on Sept 29, 2020 8:23:47 GMT 1, I will use this tape as a barrier. The tape is made for ptotection as a barrier against radon gas. PLEASE let me know if anybody have any input.
I will use this tape as a barrier. The tape is made for ptotection as a barrier against radon gas. PLEASE let me know if anybody have any input.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by 1st Design on Sept 29, 2020 8:27:55 GMT 1, Can’t believe I’m saying this but mine got delivered today, I’m absolutely overwhelmed. Can anyone recommend any framers in the North of England. Also, can they advise how it should be framed. Thanks
Maybe I have hijack you thread a little, sorry
Can’t believe I’m saying this but mine got delivered today, I’m absolutely overwhelmed. Can anyone recommend any framers in the North of England. Also, can they advise how it should be framed. Thanks Maybe I have hijack you thread a little, sorry |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:46:54 GMT 1, Always find it slightly funny when framing talk turns to discussion of how to essentially vacuum seal your print away from the world. It's a Banksy print, not the Turin shroud. Use a framer experienced in framing to museum standards and stop worrying. You don't need to be concerned with whether it might have faded a fraction 100 years from now.
I had one Banksy framed by a local, well-regarded framer in 2009. He didn't frame for museums, but back then my print was only a bit valuable. I sold that one last year and their were absolutely no issues when it was removed from the frame. Had my second Banksy framed by Mister Frame Man this year and I trust his skills based on other work he's done for me. I hang it somewhere away from direct sun and away from big changes in temperature. Beyond that, I don't give it another thought. You can drive yourself mad worrying about the slightest external effect on your print.
Always find it slightly funny when framing talk turns to discussion of how to essentially vacuum seal your print away from the world. It's a Banksy print, not the Turin shroud. Use a framer experienced in framing to museum standards and stop worrying. You don't need to be concerned with whether it might have faded a fraction 100 years from now.
I had one Banksy framed by a local, well-regarded framer in 2009. He didn't frame for museums, but back then my print was only a bit valuable. I sold that one last year and their were absolutely no issues when it was removed from the frame. Had my second Banksy framed by Mister Frame Man this year and I trust his skills based on other work he's done for me. I hang it somewhere away from direct sun and away from big changes in temperature. Beyond that, I don't give it another thought. You can drive yourself mad worrying about the slightest external effect on your print.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:26:45 GMT 1, Think we'll see these coming up regularly at Tate Ward until the COAs are issued next year. I wonder if it might mean prices level off, but that doesn't seem to have been the case for other prints that show up regularly. Thrower will make huge money, I reckon.
Disappointing, if not surprising, to see someone flogging Harland Miller's NHS print immediately.
Think we'll see these coming up regularly at Tate Ward until the COAs are issued next year. I wonder if it might mean prices level off, but that doesn't seem to have been the case for other prints that show up regularly. Thrower will make huge money, I reckon. Disappointing, if not surprising, to see someone flogging Harland Miller's NHS print immediately. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by chefd on Sept 29, 2020 12:42:31 GMT 1,
Game time!
So ArtDelight.... time for your prediction....
Let's see if you can go 2/2!
Game time! So ArtDelight.... time for your prediction.... Let's see if you can go 2/2! |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 18:40:55 GMT 1, Evening,
I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print:
I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same.
Evening,
I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print:
I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Rubberneck on Sept 30, 2020 18:45:28 GMT 1, You need to check it, what if there is a problem with it from packing, couriers etc.. don’t be shy just be careful and take your time, with white gloves of course.
You need to check it, what if there is a problem with it from packing, couriers etc.. don’t be shy just be careful and take your time, with white gloves of course.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:46:35 GMT 1, Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same.
Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔
Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔 |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by FЯ on Sept 30, 2020 18:49:33 GMT 1, Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same.
Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming
Thats another one destroyed
Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming Thats another one destroyed |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Amber Halo on Sept 30, 2020 18:56:15 GMT 1, It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you.
It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you.
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 19:10:46 GMT 1, Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔 ooh arr
Fuck me. I’m an idiot.
Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔 ooh arr Fuck me. I’m an idiot. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Dive Jedi on Sept 30, 2020 19:11:25 GMT 1, Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔
Free milk, what's not to like....
Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Won’t you farmer measure it??? 🤔 I prefer to have my prints done by a farmer as well. Free milk, what's not to like.... |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 20:07:41 GMT 1, Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming Thats another one destroyed
😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself.
Evening, I was just wondering if anyone had the dimensions for the Banksquiat print: I don’t want to take it out of the box before it’s ready to go in a frame, I think all the dimensions I’ve seen are 70x70 so I imagine they are all the same. Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming Thats another one destroyed 😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 20:08:27 GMT 1, You need to check it, what if there is a problem with it from packing, couriers etc.. don’t be shy just be careful and take your time, with white gloves of course.
If there’s a problem with it, I’ll see when I get to the framers.
You need to check it, what if there is a problem with it from packing, couriers etc.. don’t be shy just be careful and take your time, with white gloves of course. If there’s a problem with it, I’ll see when I get to the framers. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 20:09:51 GMT 1, It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you.
Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work.
It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you. Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 20:14:59 GMT 1, Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming Thats another one destroyed 😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself.
If you are going to trim the print to fit, dont, just fold the overlap, and don't forget the parcel tape to stop it slipping in the frame
Oh god. Online off the shelf frame incoming Thats another one destroyed 😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself. If you are going to trim the print to fit, dont, just fold the overlap, and don't forget the parcel tape to stop it slipping in the frame |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 20:17:08 GMT 1, 😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself. If you are going to trim the print to fit, dont, just fold the overlap, and don't forget the parcel tape to stop it slipping in the frame
Thanks for the advice, I’ve heard the best thing is superglue, so going to give that a try. If it gets stuck I’ll just spray on some WD40, should do the trick.
😂😂 yeah, I’ve just been to IKEA and I’m going to do it myself. If you are going to trim the print to fit, dont, just fold the overlap, and don't forget the parcel tape to stop it slipping in the frame Thanks for the advice, I’ve heard the best thing is superglue, so going to give that a try. If it gets stuck I’ll just spray on some WD40, should do the trick. |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by 1st Design on Sept 30, 2020 21:44:42 GMT 1, It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you. Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work.
I Can also confirm the size is 70*75 cm
It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you. Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work. I Can also confirm the size is 70*75 cm |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by spank master on Sept 30, 2020 21:52:38 GMT 1,
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by mrizzle on Sept 30, 2020 21:57:26 GMT 1, It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you. Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work.
Old skool...I like it. Sellotape mounted? 😂
Hearing aside, enjoy every moment of it. Huge envy here. Which variant did you get/go for?
It's not a perfect 70x70 square. It's closer to 70x75. Please take that beauty to a proper framer and best of luck to you. Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work. Old skool...I like it. Sellotape mounted? 😂 Hearing aside, enjoy every moment of it. Huge envy here. Which variant did you get/go for? |
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Banksy Basquiat Print, Gross Domestic Product™, by avant on Sept 30, 2020 22:37:02 GMT 1, Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work. Old skool...I like it. Sellotape mounted? 😂 Hearing aside, enjoy every moment of it. Huge envy here. Which variant did you get/go for?
I got the grey one, literally so thankful
Yeah I plan to, if they were all the same dimensions I’d have the bespoke frame made prior to my arrival so there’s minimal involvement from the work. Old skool...I like it. Sellotape mounted? 😂 Hearing aside, enjoy every moment of it. Huge envy here. Which variant did you get/go for? I got the grey one, literally so thankful |
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