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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Matt on Feb 29, 2020 19:02:24 GMT 1, Good point. As you know, probably these ladies will get better at making these mats, so you can expect a faster cycle this time, and even faster in the next one. I hope they'll have work for three-four years at least, to create a mimimum of security for them and their families. I am kind of ambivalent about these workers being trained in a job not really portable to other sectors. The trade-off is always what the refugees can do now versus the costly and time consuming process of forming them for EU labor markets tomorrow. I am sympathetic to "an egg today". The love welcomes folks are obviously not profit maximizing sharks, so they just sell what they produce and then diligently move on when they can. You won't build a housewares retail empire that way, but it is a legitimate choice.
Just curious. Why do you assume these women do not have skills already perfectly compatible in « EU labour markets ».
For all you know, your mat was stitched by a dental hygienist, a teacher, a shopkeeper, a nurse, a civil engineer [br love welcomes is not about teaching these women new skills
Good point. As you know, probably these ladies will get better at making these mats, so you can expect a faster cycle this time, and even faster in the next one. I hope they'll have work for three-four years at least, to create a mimimum of security for them and their families. I am kind of ambivalent about these workers being trained in a job not really portable to other sectors. The trade-off is always what the refugees can do now versus the costly and time consuming process of forming them for EU labor markets tomorrow. I am sympathetic to "an egg today". The love welcomes folks are obviously not profit maximizing sharks, so they just sell what they produce and then diligently move on when they can. You won't build a housewares retail empire that way, but it is a legitimate choice. Just curious. Why do you assume these women do not have skills already perfectly compatible in « EU labour markets ». For all you know, your mat was stitched by a dental hygienist, a teacher, a shopkeeper, a nurse, a civil engineer [br love welcomes is not about teaching these women new skills
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Fast Eddie on Feb 29, 2020 19:12:40 GMT 1, I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means.
I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means.
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Matt
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Matt on Feb 29, 2020 19:14:35 GMT 1, I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means.
Hmm, I agree that language may be a barrier.
For the rest I would love to see « the data » relative to the former occupation of the people crossing over
I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means. Hmm, I agree that language may be a barrier. For the rest I would love to see « the data » relative to the former occupation of the people crossing over
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by moron on Feb 29, 2020 19:33:54 GMT 1, I wouldn't under estimate the skills the women have who are working with Love Welcomes
Supporting all women to be independant and against being oppressed why whoever and whatever is always good.
I could not find any info that states that Love Welcomes is a charity. They describe themselves as a "social enterprise", whatever that is?
There is no info about how the money is actually being spent and how much the women who are making the products are paid. I'm hoping they get the minimum wage apart from being helped to move forward with their lives.
From the Love Welcomes, instagram, I find this statement a bit odd. "in creating this new Welcome M, Banksy has helped refugees to find dignity and self worth, dignity and hope" fundraising.co.uk/2019/10/03/banksy-shop-partners-social-enterprise-love-welcomes-croydon-shop-venture/
No one is denying these people dignity and the statement comes across as mysoginist that it takes some bloke to give these women dignity.
I wouldn't under estimate the skills the women have who are working with Love Welcomes Supporting all women to be independant and against being oppressed why whoever and whatever is always good. I could not find any info that states that Love Welcomes is a charity. They describe themselves as a "social enterprise", whatever that is? There is no info about how the money is actually being spent and how much the women who are making the products are paid. I'm hoping they get the minimum wage apart from being helped to move forward with their lives. From the Love Welcomes, instagram, I find this statement a bit odd. "in creating this new Welcome M, Banksy has helped refugees to find dignity and self worth, dignity and hope" fundraising.co.uk/2019/10/03/banksy-shop-partners-social-enterprise-love-welcomes-croydon-shop-venture/ No one is denying these people dignity and the statement comes across as mysoginist that it takes some bloke to give these women dignity.
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Fast Eddie
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Fast Eddie on Feb 29, 2020 19:34:32 GMT 1, I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means. Hmm, I agree that language may be a barrier. For the rest I would love to see « the data » relative to the former occupation of the people crossing over See the discussion here and data is in the links to a set of references in this one:
ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=18319&langId=en
EU is also trying to create a qualifications passport for refugees:
www.coe.int/en/web/education/recognition-of-refugees-qualifications
I assume that because I know the data. Technical training and vocational training are rare. Two-three years of qualification would be necessary in most cases, not to mention language training in certain instances. It is not a fast process, but not impossible by any means. Hmm, I agree that language may be a barrier. For the rest I would love to see « the data » relative to the former occupation of the people crossing over See the discussion here and data is in the links to a set of references in this one: ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=18319&langId=enEU is also trying to create a qualifications passport for refugees: www.coe.int/en/web/education/recognition-of-refugees-qualifications
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acertle
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by acertle on Feb 29, 2020 19:37:01 GMT 1, Been to the framer today, he advised against perspex as it would get statically loaded and would possible look bad after a few months (i.e. has to be cleaned a lot). We spoke about framing it and if we should put a glass in front or not. We decided against glass but were not finished as I need to speak to the guy who is framing it as he doesnt know how he would mount the mat onto a board. So I have to go again on Wednesday Frame wise we have picked out a black frame with white / off white back (possibly wooden plate). Frame is also available a bit broader of course, but I think I'll choose the thinnest one (see picture) and maybe leave some space that the black comes out. Will give an update after I spoke to the chief framer on how to execute the whole thing. thanks for this, very helpful. Could you please follow up when you know how they’ll mount the mat to the board? I’ll likely just instruct my framer to paint by numbers according to your instructions, so the more detail the better. Also, like that frame choice a lot - nothing to draw attention away from the mat.
Sure thing! That was my thought as well with the thinner frame.
Been to the framer today, he advised against perspex as it would get statically loaded and would possible look bad after a few months (i.e. has to be cleaned a lot). We spoke about framing it and if we should put a glass in front or not. We decided against glass but were not finished as I need to speak to the guy who is framing it as he doesnt know how he would mount the mat onto a board. So I have to go again on Wednesday Frame wise we have picked out a black frame with white / off white back (possibly wooden plate). Frame is also available a bit broader of course, but I think I'll choose the thinnest one (see picture) and maybe leave some space that the black comes out. Will give an update after I spoke to the chief framer on how to execute the whole thing. thanks for this, very helpful. Could you please follow up when you know how they’ll mount the mat to the board? I’ll likely just instruct my framer to paint by numbers according to your instructions, so the more detail the better. Also, like that frame choice a lot - nothing to draw attention away from the mat. Sure thing! That was my thought as well with the thinner frame.
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reg
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by reg on Feb 29, 2020 19:40:21 GMT 1, I wouldn't under estimate the skills the women have who are working with Love Welcomes Supporting all women to be independant and against being oppressed why whoever and whatever is always good. I could not find any info that states that Love Welcomes is a charity. They describe themselves as a "social enterprise", whatever that is? There is no info about how the money is actually being spent and how much the women who are making the products are paid. I'm hoping they get the minimum wage apart from being helped to move forward with their lives. From the Love Welcomes, instagram, I find this statement a bit odd. "in creating this new Welcome M, Banksy has helped refugees to find dignity and self worth, dignity and hope" fundraising.co.uk/2019/10/03/banksy-shop-partners-social-enterprise-love-welcomes-croydon-shop-venture/ No one is denying these people dignity and the statement comes across as mysoginist that it takes some bloke to give these women dignity.
Said this a few times on this thread... LW isn't strictly a charity. It's a company which pays its people, as a social enterprise. Charities aren't set up to pay lots out in salaries, their books are scrutinised openly but some charity bosses are on 6 figure sums.
Social Enterprises operate with less transparency, we can only trust that LW gives as much as possible to people in need and keep its staff salaries to a minimum.
I wouldn't under estimate the skills the women have who are working with Love Welcomes Supporting all women to be independant and against being oppressed why whoever and whatever is always good. I could not find any info that states that Love Welcomes is a charity. They describe themselves as a "social enterprise", whatever that is? There is no info about how the money is actually being spent and how much the women who are making the products are paid. I'm hoping they get the minimum wage apart from being helped to move forward with their lives. From the Love Welcomes, instagram, I find this statement a bit odd. "in creating this new Welcome M, Banksy has helped refugees to find dignity and self worth, dignity and hope" fundraising.co.uk/2019/10/03/banksy-shop-partners-social-enterprise-love-welcomes-croydon-shop-venture/ No one is denying these people dignity and the statement comes across as mysoginist that it takes some bloke to give these women dignity. Said this a few times on this thread... LW isn't strictly a charity. It's a company which pays its people, as a social enterprise. Charities aren't set up to pay lots out in salaries, their books are scrutinised openly but some charity bosses are on 6 figure sums. Social Enterprises operate with less transparency, we can only trust that LW gives as much as possible to people in need and keep its staff salaries to a minimum.
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Matt
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Matt on Feb 29, 2020 20:02:26 GMT 1,
Thanks I’ll have a look. For some reason only the first chart is loading on the mobile
Thanks I’ll have a look. For some reason only the first chart is loading on the mobile
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hnkpnk
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by hnkpnk on Feb 29, 2020 22:43:36 GMT 1, The goal was to build brand Banksy even bigger through his name being affiliated with a low level charity to make it appear more authentic and organic while creating an even larger demand for his goods and services and increasing the value of his art in the primary and secondary markets. That goal has been achieved through the amazing marketing of GNP. The puppet master has created the stage and us the puppets marched in line like good little boys and girls. It is always fun to be a consistent and loyal pawn in someone else's marketing program. We can assume that his 4 quarter profits are up and all is well. Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Why can't he just be a decent human being? Why does it always have to be a conspiracy and about money or power with you guys?
The goal was to build brand Banksy even bigger through his name being affiliated with a low level charity to make it appear more authentic and organic while creating an even larger demand for his goods and services and increasing the value of his art in the primary and secondary markets. That goal has been achieved through the amazing marketing of GNP. The puppet master has created the stage and us the puppets marched in line like good little boys and girls. It is always fun to be a consistent and loyal pawn in someone else's marketing program. We can assume that his 4 quarter profits are up and all is well. Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Why can't he just be a decent human being? Why does it always have to be a conspiracy and about money or power with you guys?
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Rubberneck on Feb 29, 2020 23:12:39 GMT 1, I think it’s great that he’s brought some awareness and cash to lovewelcomes. Haters can say it’s to boost his own brand but I doubt he or the beneficiaries care..wether it’s the charity, the refugees or the collectors who then decide to sell on.
I think it’s great that he’s brought some awareness and cash to lovewelcomes. Haters can say it’s to boost his own brand but I doubt he or the beneficiaries care..wether it’s the charity, the refugees or the collectors who then decide to sell on.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by LJCal on Feb 29, 2020 23:13:09 GMT 1, Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Not sure about the “we” part of that post Dan. I suspect Wear’s (and your) view is far from universal on here. Unless by “we” you just meant you and Wear. And me and probably a fair few other people. No hate towards Banksy I think he is a marketing genius but don’t be fooled into thinking all of this is not part of a branding exercise worth serious money.
Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Not sure about the “we” part of that post Dan. I suspect Wear’s (and your) view is far from universal on here. Unless by “we” you just meant you and Wear. And me and probably a fair few other people. No hate towards Banksy I think he is a marketing genius but don’t be fooled into thinking all of this is not part of a branding exercise worth serious money.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by pellets on Mar 1, 2020 6:21:22 GMT 1, Would be interesting to see how much of the general population know that the GDP project had a charity element, or if it is only people who frequent Banksy forums who are aware of it.
Im only a couple years into the street art scene and i had no idea Banksy about any of Banksy’s charitable activities before i started looking into him.
Would be interesting to see how much of the general population know that the GDP project had a charity element, or if it is only people who frequent Banksy forums who are aware of it.
Im only a couple years into the street art scene and i had no idea Banksy about any of Banksy’s charitable activities before i started looking into him.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by love on Mar 1, 2020 10:58:19 GMT 1, Nothing to do with charity or marketing, they just don‘t like refugees in their countries nor people helping them.
Nothing to do with charity or marketing, they just don‘t like refugees in their countries nor people helping them.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Daniel Silk on Mar 1, 2020 12:40:06 GMT 1, Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Please don't make statements on behalf of all of us. All I see here is a comment by a very bitter and cynical individual. Claiming Banksy is supporting Love Welcome to build his brand is ridicoulous. And I'm pretty sure he really doesn't need to create a larger demand for his art. Be glad he is trying to raise money for a good cause and make his work available at the same time for people that can't afford his prints. Rather baffles me that the founder and one of his guardians are so negative about their idol... Bitterness you didn't win at the GDP lottery ? The reason I didn’t win the GDP lottery is probably because I didn’t enter 😂 I didn’t even try to buy anything from GDP, so I’m certainly not bitter about not getting anything. If things change and it becomes an actual store selling things in a more normal way, then I would become a customer, but I’m not interested getting involved in a long song and dance, with practically zero chance of getting anything.
Well said 👏 I just hope Banksy realises that we know what’s happening and how the game is being played. Please don't make statements on behalf of all of us. All I see here is a comment by a very bitter and cynical individual. Claiming Banksy is supporting Love Welcome to build his brand is ridicoulous. And I'm pretty sure he really doesn't need to create a larger demand for his art. Be glad he is trying to raise money for a good cause and make his work available at the same time for people that can't afford his prints. Rather baffles me that the founder and one of his guardians are so negative about their idol... Bitterness you didn't win at the GDP lottery ? The reason I didn’t win the GDP lottery is probably because I didn’t enter 😂 I didn’t even try to buy anything from GDP, so I’m certainly not bitter about not getting anything. If things change and it becomes an actual store selling things in a more normal way, then I would become a customer, but I’m not interested getting involved in a long song and dance, with practically zero chance of getting anything.
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Lazarus II
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Lazarus II on Mar 1, 2020 12:50:29 GMT 1, Please don't make statements on behalf of all of us. All I see here is a comment by a very bitter and cynical individual. Claiming Banksy is supporting Love Welcome to build his brand is ridicoulous. And I'm pretty sure he really doesn't need to create a larger demand for his art. Be glad he is trying to raise money for a good cause and make his work available at the same time for people that can't afford his prints. Rather baffles me that the founder and one of his guardians are so negative about their idol... Bitterness you didn't win at the GDP lottery ? The reason I didn’t win the GDP lottery is probably because I didn’t enter 😂 I didn’t even try to buy anything from GDP, so I’m certainly not bitter about not getting anything. If things change and it becomes an actual store selling things in a more normal way, then I would become a customer, but I’m not interested getting involved in a long song and dance, with practically zero chance of getting anything.
I might be wrong, it happens daily, but i think Dive Jedi’s comment pertained to the person you quoted.
Please don't make statements on behalf of all of us. All I see here is a comment by a very bitter and cynical individual. Claiming Banksy is supporting Love Welcome to build his brand is ridicoulous. And I'm pretty sure he really doesn't need to create a larger demand for his art. Be glad he is trying to raise money for a good cause and make his work available at the same time for people that can't afford his prints. Rather baffles me that the founder and one of his guardians are so negative about their idol... Bitterness you didn't win at the GDP lottery ? The reason I didn’t win the GDP lottery is probably because I didn’t enter 😂 I didn’t even try to buy anything from GDP, so I’m certainly not bitter about not getting anything. If things change and it becomes an actual store selling things in a more normal way, then I would become a customer, but I’m not interested getting involved in a long song and dance, with practically zero chance of getting anything. I might be wrong, it happens daily, but i think Dive Jedi’s comment pertained to the person you quoted.
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Hairbland
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Supply and Demand, Economics 101.
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It’s almost like people are realizing these aren’t limited edition banksy works of art.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by orchid on Mar 1, 2020 14:03:12 GMT 1,
Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪
Vs. 2 in hand ended today
They will be £3000-5000 by next year.
Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 1, 2020 14:15:48 GMT 1, Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year.
...or £300-£400 secondary by next year.
Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year. ...or £300-£400 secondary by next year.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by lorraballs on Mar 1, 2020 15:43:30 GMT 1, None for sale bitches........ OMG, you are amazing... I wish I knew you. ok, be honest, you’ve never had sex, eh?
Turns out I do know you. You’ve never had sex you haven’t paid for.
None for sale bitches........ OMG, you are amazing... I wish I knew you. ok, be honest, you’ve never had sex, eh? Turns out I do know you. You’ve never had sex you haven’t paid for.
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Matt
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Matt on Mar 1, 2020 15:44:46 GMT 1, Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year.
Definitely a strong premium for « in hand «
Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year. Definitely a strong premium for « in hand «
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by French Art Lover on Mar 1, 2020 16:13:14 GMT 1, thanks for this, very helpful. Could you please follow up when you know how they’ll mount the mat to the board? I’ll likely just instruct my framer to paint by numbers according to your instructions, so the more detail the better. Also, like that frame choice a lot - nothing to draw attention away from the mat. Sure thing! That was my thought as well with the thinner frame.
Sounds like your framer is good, I'll follow how it evolves as well thanks for sharing
thanks for this, very helpful. Could you please follow up when you know how they’ll mount the mat to the board? I’ll likely just instruct my framer to paint by numbers according to your instructions, so the more detail the better. Also, like that frame choice a lot - nothing to draw attention away from the mat. Sure thing! That was my thought as well with the thinner frame. Sounds like your framer is good, I'll follow how it evolves as well thanks for sharing
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 1, 2020 16:24:01 GMT 1, I think Perspex box on the floor or maybe on the wall is the way to go with these. Is anyone going to replicate the gdp one, with a used life jacket attached?
I think Perspex box on the floor or maybe on the wall is the way to go with these. Is anyone going to replicate the gdp one, with a used life jacket attached?
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LJCal
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I did say they’ll get below £1k and I stand by that.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by LJCal on Mar 1, 2020 19:03:09 GMT 1, Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year. This is like the Walled Off Box sets when they first appeared idiots were paying £2-5k for them, you can’t give them away now. I think they are changing hands at £300 last time I checked, these will go the same way.
Did you just pick 2 auctions with a week left to base your argument 🤪 Vs. 2 in hand ended today They will be £3000-5000 by next year. This is like the Walled Off Box sets when they first appeared idiots were paying £2-5k for them, you can’t give them away now. I think they are changing hands at £300 last time I checked, these will go the same way.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by artpartment on Mar 1, 2020 19:15:13 GMT 1, i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong?
i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong?
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LJCal
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by LJCal on Mar 1, 2020 19:34:25 GMT 1, i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong? They are making an undefined number of these, so who knows how many will end up out there, that’s why the values are coming down flippers are getting out and there are aren’t enough collector who want to own this. I’d say the Walled off set has wider appeal than the door mat so even if there are more in circulation I still see the prices of these going the same way.
i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong? They are making an undefined number of these, so who knows how many will end up out there, that’s why the values are coming down flippers are getting out and there are aren’t enough collector who want to own this. I’d say the Walled off set has wider appeal than the door mat so even if there are more in circulation I still see the prices of these going the same way.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Runit on Mar 1, 2020 19:38:59 GMT 1, i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong? No, you're not. wrong. These are the same thing in door mat form. plain as day. still, it's a Banksy so like the cheap as chips postcard that now commands a £60 price tag it'll continue to "appreciate".
i don't know how much beds are at the walled off hotel.lets say 10 .each one can buy one of the box makes in a week 70 boxes.in a year would be around 3500 boxes. so i see a little difference .am i wrong? No, you're not. wrong. These are the same thing in door mat form. plain as day. still, it's a Banksy so like the cheap as chips postcard that now commands a £60 price tag it'll continue to "appreciate".
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by ncewnimw on Mar 1, 2020 19:59:18 GMT 1, What’s the rough measures of the mats? Will probably try to form mine in a reworked wooden crate.
What’s the rough measures of the mats? Will probably try to form mine in a reworked wooden crate.
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