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Harland Miller • ACE, by teabaggins on Dec 4, 2019 19:27:00 GMT 1, The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller?
Or ....most of the members who enjoy discussing art have left.
There are only so many “sold out” or “value” conversations one can have before being bored to death.
The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller? Or ....most of the members who enjoy discussing art have left. There are only so many “sold out” or “value” conversations one can have before being bored to death. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 19:28:25 GMT 1, The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller?
The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller? Still like Miller, just don't like this. Reckon pretty much every artist I like has produced some work I don't like. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by drip on Dec 4, 2019 21:33:47 GMT 1, The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller?
Plus it's fcking expensive. You've really got to love it for that kind of money.
I mean, to be discussed on here, it's either gotta be great, gotta be cheap, or gotta be flippable.
Or if it's T&C's, it's gotta be vague or overly wordy.
I think it'll still sell though. There's a WHOLE lot of people out there with a WHOLE lot of money. There's just not much to talk about.
The forum has seem to have shifted on the love for Miller? I'm not sure there's a lot to say about the print? Can't discuss the image much, and I think people generally prefer his Penguin books stuff. It's that thing isn't it where an artist has their stuff that works (and sells), then they try something else, and sometimes it's not what people are looking for or willing to buy. Plus it's fcking expensive. You've really got to love it for that kind of money. I mean, to be discussed on here, it's either gotta be great, gotta be cheap, or gotta be flippable. Or if it's T&C's, it's gotta be vague or overly wordy. I think it'll still sell though. There's a WHOLE lot of people out there with a WHOLE lot of money. There's just not much to talk about. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by hellfo on Dec 4, 2019 21:54:20 GMT 1,
Or gotta be pejac
Or gotta be pejac
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Harland Miller • ACE, by drip on Dec 4, 2019 22:01:49 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way.
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 22:27:06 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. 
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The twitter generation... Any news past 5 minutes old no longer has their attention. Need something new every minute... |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 22:27:49 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way.
Once you've made a name for yourself, why even try? It becomes the signature that matters, not the work.
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. So true. And as soon as it's sold out almost all the discussion is about what it's worth now. Any talk about the actual art seems to boil down to - and this really isn't an exaggeration - whether the colours are nice. Once you've made a name for yourself, why even try? It becomes the signature that matters, not the work. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 22:29:38 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way.
and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it
How do we sort this issue?
The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it How do we sort this issue? The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by shy on Dec 4, 2019 22:30:14 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out.
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Pawel on Dec 4, 2019 22:31:28 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out.
Welcome back, shy.
What do you think about the Kaws book/print release? And the blankets...
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. Welcome back, shy. What do you think about the Kaws book/print release? And the blankets... |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by shy on Dec 4, 2019 22:33:52 GMT 1, thank you pawel,
Unfortunately, I just missed the blankets. They were a great buy! And funds go to an excellent cause.
Anything KAWS gets scooped up fast.
thank you pawel,
Unfortunately, I just missed the blankets. They were a great buy! And funds go to an excellent cause.
Anything KAWS gets scooped up fast.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by irl1 on Dec 4, 2019 22:37:10 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way.
The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid.
I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim
The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid. I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by drip on Dec 4, 2019 22:41:30 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid. I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid. I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week I was going to say, there's this other thing that happens where, through a combination of sincere buyers, flippers and people panicking that if they don't buy it *now*, they'll miss out (or worse, have to pay more later), prints (and various other art tat) sell immediately and before many have genuinely given thought to whether they a) like it or b) can afford it, and yes c) whether there's a profit in it if/when they resell. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by blerd on Dec 4, 2019 22:42:12 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out.
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. I don't think this will sell out shy. its terrible and a cash grab. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by drip on Dec 4, 2019 22:56:19 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it How do we sort this issue? The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it How do we sort this issue? The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning In the 50's and 60's prints must've routinely taken decades to sell out. Commercially successful and popular artists probably died (waiting for their cars to warm up) and left galleries with stacks of unsold prints. I blame the internet. In't olden days, you had to actually flippin' walk to a gallery if you wanted to buy a print. If you were really wealthy, you might have a bicycle. But the point is you had to put work into it. And back then, there were only about 16 people (out of the world's population of 357) interested in buying prints. And there was no flipping back then either. There was no eBay, chat forums or Exchange & Mart. This was a firm commitment. Often made after getting smashed out of your tits on red wine, brandy and laudanum at some gallery show opening. Where an artist would regale you with tales or Paris and London's East End, get you intoxicated, invite you outside to take a look at his horse, then pressure you into making a purchase. Unable to withstand equine chat any longer, you bought a print, and you were stuck with it. It either passed down through the generations long after your death when, if your descendants were lucky, it might be worth in new money more than you paid for it, or if they were really lucky, the prints would be destroyed in a house fire and not burden them any longer. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Lazarus II on Dec 4, 2019 23:15:10 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out.
you out of hibernation ?
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. you out of hibernation ? |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by blerd on Dec 4, 2019 23:19:51 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. you out of hibernation ?
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. you out of hibernation ? ...without your stars. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Nordicstar on Dec 4, 2019 23:25:43 GMT 1, In old times people died, and they had sofas on mortgage that were wrapped in plastic , they worked they never treated themselves and they died.
Why didn’t they at least unwrap the sofa and enjoy it by watching it, no.
In old times people died, and they had sofas on mortgage that were wrapped in plastic , they worked they never treated themselves and they died.
Why didn’t they at least unwrap the sofa and enjoy it by watching it, no.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 23:49:23 GMT 1, It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. I don't think this will sell out shy. its terrible and a cash grab.
It's a great print and an excellent image. No doubt it will sell out. I don't think this will sell out shy. its terrible and a cash grab. By definition, if it didn't sell, then it can't be a cash grab.... |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by firstimer on Dec 4, 2019 23:56:54 GMT 1, I think the frustration for many on here comes from thinking this website is something it isnt. Its a forum where folks come to talk about their art, the art they want, the values of said art in hand or wanted and you know what? that's ok. People want to go to a place where they can feel good about themselves, where they can feel "wow - ok I feel awesome because the art I invested in 5 years ago (or last week) has gone up in value.
Remember the context we are in: this is urban art, its contemporary art, getting frustrated because the average graffiti art collector isn't talking about the brush of the strokes (from the spray can) like its a Monet only gets your own knickers in a twist.
Lets just call a spade a spade: This forum is about projected art value, buying and selling art and a group of folks wanting to hear other peoples opinions on the art they have/aspire to have to feel good that they made the right decision on forking out probably thousands of pounds/dollars on something they took a chance on.
In terms of Miller; if he was just "dailling it in" as others have mentioned here... he would just keep hashing out penguins. The fact hes stepped outside of his clearly successful niche he found shows he's not a one trick pony. We dont have to like his new work, but I dont think its fair to say he's dialling it in when he veers away from his money makers.
I think the frustration for many on here comes from thinking this website is something it isnt. Its a forum where folks come to talk about their art, the art they want, the values of said art in hand or wanted and you know what? that's ok. People want to go to a place where they can feel good about themselves, where they can feel "wow - ok I feel awesome because the art I invested in 5 years ago (or last week) has gone up in value.
Remember the context we are in: this is urban art, its contemporary art, getting frustrated because the average graffiti art collector isn't talking about the brush of the strokes (from the spray can) like its a Monet only gets your own knickers in a twist.
Lets just call a spade a spade: This forum is about projected art value, buying and selling art and a group of folks wanting to hear other peoples opinions on the art they have/aspire to have to feel good that they made the right decision on forking out probably thousands of pounds/dollars on something they took a chance on.
In terms of Miller; if he was just "dailling it in" as others have mentioned here... he would just keep hashing out penguins. The fact hes stepped outside of his clearly successful niche he found shows he's not a one trick pony. We dont have to like his new work, but I dont think its fair to say he's dialling it in when he veers away from his money makers.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Duke Down Stairs on Dec 5, 2019 0:19:35 GMT 1, and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it How do we sort this issue? The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning In the 50's and 60's prints must've routinely taken decades to sell out. Commercially successful and popular artists probably died (waiting for their cars to warm up) and left galleries with stacks of unsold prints. I blame the internet. In't olden days, you had to actually flippin' walk to a gallery if you wanted to buy a print. If you were really wealthy, you might have a bicycle. But the point is you had to put work into it. And back then, there were only about 16 people (out of the world's population of 357) interested in buying prints. And there was no flipping back then either. There was no eBay, chat forums or Exchange & Mart. This was a firm commitment. Often made after getting smashed out of your tits on red wine, brandy and laudanum at some gallery show opening. Where an artist would regale you with tales or Paris and London's East End, get you intoxicated, invite you outside to take a look at his horse, then pressure you into making a purchase. Unable to withstand equine chat any longer, you bought a print, and you were stuck with it. It either passed down through the generations long after your death when, if your descendants were lucky, it might be worth in new money more than you paid for it, or if they were really lucky, the prints would be destroyed in a house fire and not burden them any longer.
I bought a 1981 Bruce Nauman print, right out of the Gemini GEL drawers, around 1991. Just walked in, looked at a few, still had more. Easy to "cop".
and if it does sell within 2 minutes then the people bought it to sell it How do we sort this issue? The issue being do we actually like what we buy? Why are we buying it? What are our motives? We never discuss the image itself, do we? Its like a secondary thing to the artist, is this right? And more importantly why does my car take so long to warm up in the morning In the 50's and 60's prints must've routinely taken decades to sell out. Commercially successful and popular artists probably died (waiting for their cars to warm up) and left galleries with stacks of unsold prints. I blame the internet. In't olden days, you had to actually flippin' walk to a gallery if you wanted to buy a print. If you were really wealthy, you might have a bicycle. But the point is you had to put work into it. And back then, there were only about 16 people (out of the world's population of 357) interested in buying prints. And there was no flipping back then either. There was no eBay, chat forums or Exchange & Mart. This was a firm commitment. Often made after getting smashed out of your tits on red wine, brandy and laudanum at some gallery show opening. Where an artist would regale you with tales or Paris and London's East End, get you intoxicated, invite you outside to take a look at his horse, then pressure you into making a purchase. Unable to withstand equine chat any longer, you bought a print, and you were stuck with it. It either passed down through the generations long after your death when, if your descendants were lucky, it might be worth in new money more than you paid for it, or if they were really lucky, the prints would be destroyed in a house fire and not burden them any longer. I bought a 1981 Bruce Nauman print, right out of the Gemini GEL drawers, around 1991. Just walked in, looked at a few, still had more. Easy to "cop". |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by blerd on Dec 5, 2019 1:11:52 GMT 1, I don't think this will sell out shy. its terrible and a cash grab. By definition, if it didn't sell, then it can't be a cash grab....
Attempted
I don't think this will sell out shy. its terrible and a cash grab. By definition, if it didn't sell, then it can't be a cash grab.... Attempted |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Hairbland on Dec 5, 2019 2:58:39 GMT 1, I saw the “Boss” one in this concept and don’t care for it. I feel he is trying to stretch while maybe playing it safe, it feels a bit Milton Glaser with a book reference tacked on. He was/is a writer I hope his word choices are better than Eine’s, which were simplistic imho.
I saw the “Boss” one in this concept and don’t care for it. I feel he is trying to stretch while maybe playing it safe, it feels a bit Milton Glaser with a book reference tacked on. He was/is a writer I hope his word choices are better than Eine’s, which were simplistic imho.
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 4:11:48 GMT 1, It was a cheap trick with the penguin cheeky lines from the very start, and fine they were fun and exploded upwards in value, but the gig is up. It’s already been a small slide but I think the oubliette is near.
Sorry folks.
It was a cheap trick with the penguin cheeky lines from the very start, and fine they were fun and exploded upwards in value, but the gig is up. It’s already been a small slide but I think the oubliette is near. Sorry folks. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by zacksz 123123 on Dec 5, 2019 4:16:26 GMT 1, Link doesn’t work
Link doesn’t work
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Harland Miller • ACE, by greeceboy on Dec 5, 2019 4:17:24 GMT 1, yes i rent penguin books from library in america for free no need to pay so much for big book cover
yes i rent penguin books from library in america for free no need to pay so much for big book cover
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Duke Down Stairs on Dec 5, 2019 4:18:34 GMT 1, There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid. I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week
Nothing compared to the banana market (noun and verb)!
news.artnet.com/market/maurizio-cattelan-banana-art-basel-miami-beach-1722516
There's this thing that happens with art stuff these days, and we saw a bit of it with Laz's book launch, if something doesn't sell out within 2 minutes of going on sale, it's considered a dud in some way. The bigger problem is a lot of people don't understand the value of art. I'm not saying you should only buy if its undervalued because we all buy pieces we like. But this jumping in with your head stuck up your a** because some members hype the s*** out of it is just plain stupid. I know loads of "so called collectors" that ring me up offering pieces they purchased even before they get them and sometimes more than one of the same release, why because they purchased on a whim The print market has gone bonkers and getting worse by the week Nothing compared to the banana market (noun and verb)! news.artnet.com/market/maurizio-cattelan-banana-art-basel-miami-beach-1722516 |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by shy on Dec 5, 2019 4:33:25 GMT 1, www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=21870&edition_id=28185 It was a cheap trick with the penguin cheeky lines from the very start, and fine they were fun and exploded upwards in value, but the gig is up. It’s already been a small slide but I think the oubliette is near. Sorry folks.
www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=21870&edition_id=28185 It was a cheap trick with the penguin cheeky lines from the very start, and fine they were fun and exploded upwards in value, but the gig is up. It’s already been a small slide but I think the oubliette is near. Sorry folks. Actually Harland Miller's star continues to shine and is rising even higher. His Hong Kong Exhibition was a HUGE success and his prices continue to soar- both editions and originals. |
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Harland Miller • ACE, by teabaggins on Dec 5, 2019 4:59:05 GMT 1, I was just thinking to myself 🤔... you know what this forum needs? Another trolling thread!!!
I was just thinking to myself 🤔... you know what this forum needs? Another trolling thread!!!
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Harland Miller • ACE, by Tax and Shipping on Dec 5, 2019 7:31:16 GMT 1, Would be good to see what you were linking to, but I kind of agree with the sentiment.
I'm sure he's got some mileage left, and he's in with the right publishers / galleries etc. but his new stuff's just a little too close to Will Boone's paintings for my liking... Can't see his new stuff without thinking of Boone's word paintings...
Would be good to see what you were linking to, but I kind of agree with the sentiment.
I'm sure he's got some mileage left, and he's in with the right publishers / galleries etc. but his new stuff's just a little too close to Will Boone's paintings for my liking... Can't see his new stuff without thinking of Boone's word paintings...
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