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Pejac • H2O Print, by Inknart on Dec 6, 2019 19:49:34 GMT 1, Just some quick info, the final lottery ticket had order number 2019136x, and I think it started around 400ish, so there should be about 950 tickets sold  Good luck all ... 25 lucky 'winners' then 
Just some quick info, the final lottery ticket had order number 2019136x, and I think it started around 400ish, so there should be about 950 tickets sold Good luck all ... 25 lucky 'winners' then Just move those odds of winning over 1 decimal 9.5% to .95% |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by hellfo on Dec 6, 2019 19:53:14 GMT 1, Compared to the pricing with other artist like...? As Jonny mentioned like Murmure then when looking at HF prints over 1k - Paco Pomet, Martin Whatson, Super A. I don't compare the style of art... I compare artists I like and what they charge now for HF prints - and Pejac is in good company with his pricing IMHO.
500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100?
Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so
Compared to the pricing with other artist like...? As Jonny mentioned like Murmure then when looking at HF prints over 1k - Paco Pomet, Martin Whatson, Super A. I don't compare the style of art... I compare artists I like and what they charge now for HF prints - and Pejac is in good company with his pricing IMHO. 500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100? Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by ca on Dec 6, 2019 20:09:49 GMT 1, As Jonny mentioned like Murmure then when looking at HF prints over 1k - Paco Pomet, Martin Whatson, Super A. I don't compare the style of art... I compare artists I like and what they charge now for HF prints - and Pejac is in good company with his pricing IMHO. 500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100? Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so
As Jonny mentioned like Murmure then when looking at HF prints over 1k - Paco Pomet, Martin Whatson, Super A. I don't compare the style of art... I compare artists I like and what they charge now for HF prints - and Pejac is in good company with his pricing IMHO. 500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100? Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so they're all irrelevant to the "art world" |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by soupy on Dec 6, 2019 20:31:01 GMT 1, Just some quick info, the final lottery ticket had order number 2019136x, and I think it started around 400ish, so there should be about 950 tickets sold
Just some quick info, the final lottery ticket had order number 2019136x, and I think it started around 400ish, so there should be about 950 tickets sold my entry was in the 100s |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by streetartger on Dec 6, 2019 21:08:57 GMT 1, 500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100? Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so they're all irrelevant to the "art world"
500€ for an edition under 30 compared to an edition at 2000€ of 100? Are Paco Pomet, M.W. and Super A, comparable to Pejac in terms of impact in the art world? I don't think so they're all irrelevant to the "art world" Whatever... I like them. So they matter in my „world“. And that’s also what I wrote „... I compare artists I like“. I don't care at all if they are irrelevant to the “art world“ or have an impact. Collect what you like and if you can’t afford them then collect somebody else... |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Shagga on Dec 6, 2019 21:18:23 GMT 1, Oh really - then I guess they started at 0 - so 1360ish tickets sold then. Thanks!
Oh really - then I guess they started at 0 - so 1360ish tickets sold then. Thanks!
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Pejac • H2O Print, by urbanny on Dec 6, 2019 21:23:09 GMT 1, That’s a little ungrateful seeing as the Eurozone has bailed Greece out to the tune of €310 billion Greece would be even more of a sh!hole without EU. That government is terrible
Racist imbecile
That’s a little ungrateful seeing as the Eurozone has bailed Greece out to the tune of €310 billion Greece would be even more of a sh!hole without EU. That government is terrible Racist imbecile |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Dive Jedi on Dec 6, 2019 21:24:14 GMT 1, Oh really - then I guess they started at 0 - so 1360ish tickets sold then. Thanks!
Well done, Pejac & Max!
Oh really - then I guess they started at 0 - so 1360ish tickets sold then. Thanks! Which means they raised over Euro 27,000 for a great charity. Well done, Pejac & Max! |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by hellfo on Dec 6, 2019 21:30:46 GMT 1, they're all irrelevant to the "art world" Whatever... I like them. So they matter in my „world“. And that’s also what I wrote „... I compare artists I like“. I don't care at all if they are irrelevant to the “art world“ or have an impact. Collect what you like and if you can’t afford them then collect somebody else...
Of course. In this case i collect postcards.
they're all irrelevant to the "art world" Whatever... I like them. So they matter in my „world“. And that’s also what I wrote „... I compare artists I like“. I don't care at all if they are irrelevant to the “art world“ or have an impact. Collect what you like and if you can’t afford them then collect somebody else... Of course. In this case i collect postcards. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by ca on Dec 6, 2019 21:35:01 GMT 1, Greece would be even more of a sh!hole without EU. That government is terrible Racist imbecile
Greece would be even more of a sh!hole without EU. That government is terrible Racist imbecile you might want to pickup a dictionary and see what racism really is |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by bradk on Dec 7, 2019 0:30:31 GMT 1, After seeing this in Paris I always hoped it would be an edition one day.....
Love the idea of the short notice lottery for the two charities and to deter some of the flippers with the associated cost is a welcome addition from Pejac and Max.
Biased I know as he's my favourite artist but on a forum where both him and Max get quite a lot of sh*t at times I think they should both be applauded for a brilliant edition, charitable donation and flipper deterrent.
As for the price, yes his prices are creeping up but so is his popularity and demand and when his prints command at least a minimum of £1500 anywhere on the secondary market (linea - Edition size 200) as a bare minimum example why shouldn't Pejac bring his primary pricing in line with that - who wouldn't.
After seeing this in Paris I always hoped it would be an edition one day.....
Love the idea of the short notice lottery for the two charities and to deter some of the flippers with the associated cost is a welcome addition from Pejac and Max.
Biased I know as he's my favourite artist but on a forum where both him and Max get quite a lot of sh*t at times I think they should both be applauded for a brilliant edition, charitable donation and flipper deterrent.
As for the price, yes his prices are creeping up but so is his popularity and demand and when his prints command at least a minimum of £1500 anywhere on the secondary market (linea - Edition size 200) as a bare minimum example why shouldn't Pejac bring his primary pricing in line with that - who wouldn't.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by nobokov on Dec 7, 2019 0:39:39 GMT 1, This print looked pretty nice and it took a bit of will power to resist entering. It's an interesting dilemma. He has plenty of forum fans so his work flips, so they have to price it high enough for Pejac and Max to profit, but low enough to entice those who want to flip his work by leaving some meat on the bone. Yet without any serious gallery representation and shows in the wider art world, he's a bit of a nobody and has to rely on keeping the UAA and flipper customer base to maintain. I just can't see paying $2000 for hanging a print, when there are so many other well-known names with gallery support at much lower prices and edition sizes, but I can see how it's a fair price for those who really love his work. That first show blew me away and I thought he would be the next Banksy, but it's kind of been one-note since, concentrating on drawings rather than painting. Hopefully he'll have some great work next year in NYC.
This print looked pretty nice and it took a bit of will power to resist entering. It's an interesting dilemma. He has plenty of forum fans so his work flips, so they have to price it high enough for Pejac and Max to profit, but low enough to entice those who want to flip his work by leaving some meat on the bone. Yet without any serious gallery representation and shows in the wider art world, he's a bit of a nobody and has to rely on keeping the UAA and flipper customer base to maintain. I just can't see paying $2000 for hanging a print, when there are so many other well-known names with gallery support at much lower prices and edition sizes, but I can see how it's a fair price for those who really love his work. That first show blew me away and I thought he would be the next Banksy, but it's kind of been one-note since, concentrating on drawings rather than painting. Hopefully he'll have some great work next year in NYC.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by wottagunn on Dec 7, 2019 1:10:40 GMT 1, Maybe I'm just lucky, but art buying is pretty simple for me. I would pay this asking price to hang this in my house. Easy done. I only purchase to display these days.
Would I pay triple from a flipper, no. It's really as easy as that for me.
Same applies to all prints.
In regards to the image chosen here, I'm a fan. He has quite a catalogue to pick from and whilst there are some others out there I'd prefer, this works well and falls in line with his other editions.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but art buying is pretty simple for me. I would pay this asking price to hang this in my house. Easy done. I only purchase to display these days.
Would I pay triple from a flipper, no. It's really as easy as that for me.
Same applies to all prints.
In regards to the image chosen here, I'm a fan. He has quite a catalogue to pick from and whilst there are some others out there I'd prefer, this works well and falls in line with his other editions.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Terry Fuckwitt on Dec 7, 2019 14:15:39 GMT 1, Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either.
Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by tranito on Dec 7, 2019 15:09:03 GMT 1, Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either.
Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either. They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Terry Fuckwitt on Dec 7, 2019 15:27:25 GMT 1, Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either. They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it.
Yeah, that was exactly my thoughts, but was hoping there was a good reason for him doing so. In a world where excess packaging is becoming increasingly frowned upon and yet Pejac is happy that one day these will end up in landfill. Whether that is in 2 years or 20 years time, really goes against everything he strongly stands by🤔
Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either. They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. Yeah, that was exactly my thoughts, but was hoping there was a good reason for him doing so. In a world where excess packaging is becoming increasingly frowned upon and yet Pejac is happy that one day these will end up in landfill. Whether that is in 2 years or 20 years time, really goes against everything he strongly stands by🤔 |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Dive Jedi on Dec 7, 2019 15:33:33 GMT 1, They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. Yeah, that was exactly my thoughts, but was hoping there was a good reason for him doing so. In a world where excess packaging is becoming increasingly frowned upon and yet Pejac is happy that one day these will end up in landfill. Whether that is in 2 years or 20 years time, really goes against everything he strongly stands by🤔
They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. Yeah, that was exactly my thoughts, but was hoping there was a good reason for him doing so. In a world where excess packaging is becoming increasingly frowned upon and yet Pejac is happy that one day these will end up in landfill. Whether that is in 2 years or 20 years time, really goes against everything he strongly stands by🤔 The crate has a Moon Stamp on it. Nobody will throw that in the thrash. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by NYart on Dec 7, 2019 15:36:47 GMT 1, His first couple editions came flat packed between cardboard and they had a lot of issues arriving damaged. Not sure why the change to crates over tubes after that fiasco, abundance of caution perhaps? GP sized tubes would certainly be fine
His first couple editions came flat packed between cardboard and they had a lot of issues arriving damaged. Not sure why the change to crates over tubes after that fiasco, abundance of caution perhaps? GP sized tubes would certainly be fine
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Pejac • H2O Print, by streetartger on Dec 7, 2019 15:37:11 GMT 1, Kept all my Pejac crates so far.... so nothing went to the trash.
Kept all my Pejac crates so far.... so nothing went to the trash.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Terry Fuckwitt on Dec 7, 2019 15:44:49 GMT 1, Kept all my Pejac crates so far.... so nothing went to the trash.
Yet! Unless the crates are passed down through the generations until the world just explodes and then those extra few crates wouldn't really matter anywhere. Maybe that was Pejacs thoughts😉
Kept all my Pejac crates so far.... so nothing went to the trash. Yet! Unless the crates are passed down through the generations until the world just explodes and then those extra few crates wouldn't really matter anywhere. Maybe that was Pejacs thoughts😉 |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by streetartger on Dec 7, 2019 16:14:00 GMT 1, this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers
this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers
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Pejac • H2O Print, by blerd on Dec 7, 2019 16:30:39 GMT 1, This print looked pretty nice and it took a bit of will power to resist entering. It's an interesting dilemma. He has plenty of forum fans so his work flips, so they have to price it high enough for Pejac and Max to profit, but low enough to entice those who want to flip his work by leaving some meat on the bone. Yet without any serious gallery representation and shows in the wider art world, he's a bit of a nobody and has to rely on keeping the UAA and flipper customer base to maintain. I just can't see paying $2000 for hanging a print, when there are so many other well-known names with gallery support at much lower prices and edition sizes, but I can see how it's a fair price for those who really love his work. That first show blew me away and I thought he would be the next Banksy, but it's kind of been one-note since, concentrating on drawings rather than painting. Hopefully he'll have some great work next year in NYC.
This print looked pretty nice and it took a bit of will power to resist entering. It's an interesting dilemma. He has plenty of forum fans so his work flips, so they have to price it high enough for Pejac and Max to profit, but low enough to entice those who want to flip his work by leaving some meat on the bone. Yet without any serious gallery representation and shows in the wider art world, he's a bit of a nobody and has to rely on keeping the UAA and flipper customer base to maintain. I just can't see paying $2000 for hanging a print, when there are so many other well-known names with gallery support at much lower prices and edition sizes, but I can see how it's a fair price for those who really love his work. That first show blew me away and I thought he would be the next Banksy, but it's kind of been one-note since, concentrating on drawings rather than painting. Hopefully he'll have some great work next year in NYC. Agreed. "the next Banksy". he should ditch drawing and make door mats. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by blerd on Dec 7, 2019 16:31:45 GMT 1, this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers
this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers The problem is his whole shtick as I understand it is environmental. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by qest on Dec 7, 2019 16:41:33 GMT 1, this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers The problem is his whole shtick as I understand it is environmental.
The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play.
Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns.
this whole environmental morality is going on my nerves. I am sure everyone can do better and should stop pointing fingers The problem is his whole shtick as I understand it is environmental. The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play. Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by urbanny on Dec 7, 2019 17:00:44 GMT 1, His first couple editions came flat packed between cardboard and they had a lot of issues arriving damaged. Not sure why the change to crates over tubes after that fiasco, abundance of caution perhaps? GP sized tubes would certainly be fine
Ill informed
His first couple editions came flat packed between cardboard and they had a lot of issues arriving damaged. Not sure why the change to crates over tubes after that fiasco, abundance of caution perhaps? GP sized tubes would certainly be fine Ill informed |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by blerd on Dec 7, 2019 17:12:07 GMT 1, The problem is his whole shtick as I understand it is environmental. The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play. Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns.
The problem is his whole shtick as I understand it is environmental. The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play. Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns. its not unreasonable. roll it and put it in a tube. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by nobokov on Dec 7, 2019 17:41:30 GMT 1, The same people clamouring to save the environment by having it rolled instead will likely be clamouring for a replacement to be sent when there's a tiny ding. This is likely to minimize risk, even possibly reduce the environmental impact. The fossil fuels spent on a replacement might outweigh the wooden crates saved.
It likely doesnt matter in the end anyway. Humanity cannot be saved. Malthus was right. We're all going to kill each other for limited resources anyway. Might as well kill while enjoying artwork on your walls.
The same people clamouring to save the environment by having it rolled instead will likely be clamouring for a replacement to be sent when there's a tiny ding. This is likely to minimize risk, even possibly reduce the environmental impact. The fossil fuels spent on a replacement might outweigh the wooden crates saved.
It likely doesnt matter in the end anyway. Humanity cannot be saved. Malthus was right. We're all going to kill each other for limited resources anyway. Might as well kill while enjoying artwork on your walls.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by qest on Dec 7, 2019 17:43:47 GMT 1, The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play. Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns. its not unreasonable. roll it and put it in a tube.
Pretty sure that doesn't stop the criticism of Shepard Fairey.
The problem is reverse virtue signaling, where anyone who expresses environmental concerns or calls for action is held to unreasonable standards and labeled a hypocrite. If he has a fridge of disposable plastic water bottles or stock in a coal company then fair play. Otherwise it just smells like an attempt to delegitimize climate change concerns. its not unreasonable. roll it and put it in a tube. Pretty sure that doesn't stop the criticism of Shepard Fairey. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Fake on Dec 7, 2019 17:56:07 GMT 1, Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either. They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it.
Anyone know why these prints are being shipped flat in a fuckin huge crate. Why can they not be sent rolled in a wide tube? Seems very wasteful of resources and extra transportation costs for these being sent around the world in this way. 300gsm paper is not extensively thick for prints and printing techniques used doesn't seem to justify this either. They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. That and the Meadow edition came rolled and 90% of the prints are wavy... |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by tranito on Dec 7, 2019 18:29:49 GMT 1, They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. That and the Meadow edition came rolled and 90% of the prints are wavy...
Good thing he upgraded to at least 300-320gsm paper then (Meadow was only 250gsm), because that's what it all comes down to. If the paper is too thin and it drinks too much ink for what it can handle, fibers might shrink or get tighter/looser in some places resulting in some waviness. I've received stuff shipped flat that had waves still, while I have zero issue with prints on the super thick paper even if they were rolled for a little while. Also hand painted background can make some thick paper catch some waves to. It's just too much to handle sometimes. Roll needs to be loose in a fat tube and it doesn't do any bad to the paper as long as you flatten it properly as soon as you receive it. Sure it's nice not to have to do the flattening process and get it straight to the framer.. or to the flat file..
They could be sent out rolled no problem. The decision to send them flat in massive wooden crates comes from elsewhere.. and my guess is that he wants to market his products as super premium high end stuff.. with the price tag that comes with it. That and the Meadow edition came rolled and 90% of the prints are wavy... Good thing he upgraded to at least 300-320gsm paper then (Meadow was only 250gsm), because that's what it all comes down to. If the paper is too thin and it drinks too much ink for what it can handle, fibers might shrink or get tighter/looser in some places resulting in some waviness. I've received stuff shipped flat that had waves still, while I have zero issue with prints on the super thick paper even if they were rolled for a little while. Also hand painted background can make some thick paper catch some waves to. It's just too much to handle sometimes. Roll needs to be loose in a fat tube and it doesn't do any bad to the paper as long as you flatten it properly as soon as you receive it. Sure it's nice not to have to do the flattening process and get it straight to the framer.. or to the flat file.. |
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