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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 21:18:52 GMT 1, Drug dealers found another source of income? They could be sending anything through the post and I hope people are prosecuted for these scams.
Drug dealers found another source of income? They could be sending anything through the post and I hope people are prosecuted for these scams. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 25, 2020 21:19:32 GMT 1, Half a million people have applied for universal credit (welfare) in the UK during the past week! When you call up it says "you are 95 thousandth in the queue" (C4 news).
I've just spoken to one of my best mates, a community palliative care nurse in Gloucestershire so far she has been given one paper face mask and twelve pairs of rubber disposable gloves. There is absolutely no sign of any tests for medical staff or even any new stock of protective wear.
The implications of this virus means the world is never ever going to be the same again EVER.
Economy wise now is the time to permanently shut down all offshore tax havens and redistribute the wealth as a matter of urgency. Which will unfortunately come with its own set of problems. This movie illustrates why!
Half a million people have applied for universal credit (welfare) in the UK during the past week! When you call up it says "you are 95 thousandth in the queue" (C4 news).
I've just spoken to one of my best mates, a community palliative care nurse in Gloucestershire so far she has been given one paper face mask and twelve pairs of rubber disposable gloves. There is absolutely no sign of any tests for medical staff or even any new stock of protective wear.
The implications of this virus means the world is never ever going to be the same again EVER.
Economy wise now is the time to permanently shut down all offshore tax havens and redistribute the wealth as a matter of urgency. Which will unfortunately come with its own set of problems. This movie illustrates why!
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moron
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 21:21:18 GMT 1, I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want. Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan. I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there. To be fair if you have the virus a bit of cocaine will make you feel better.
I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want. Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan. I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there. To be fair if you have the virus a bit of cocaine will make you feel better. It will make you think you feel better. Or make you feel invincible. But only in the company of other coke heads cos they can't handle reality when they are on it. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 21:24:52 GMT 1, You need to be posting up links to support and data for claims like these. I appreciate weโre all in the dark here but this is all wild conjecture. I have posted a few previously , there is too much data to clog up the forum along with light hearted links from time to time . I am on overdrive to read all research papers I can find and track all foreign news as my 98 year old grandfather had pneumonia in December and has a weaken heart and is still under medical care also have a toddler so have a heightened awareness , so had chosen with family to limit all social activity weeks before government advice as of foreign countries procedures at the time most of the previous points I raise are discussed days later in the media
You need to be posting up links to support and data for claims like these. I appreciate weโre all in the dark here but this is all wild conjecture. I have posted a few previously , there is too much data to clog up the forum along with light hearted links from time to time . I am on overdrive to read all research papers I can find and track all foreign news as my 98 year old grandfather had pneumonia in December and has a weaken heart and is still under medical care also have a toddler so have a heightened awareness , so had chosen with family to limit all social activity weeks before government advice as of foreign countries procedures at the time most of the previous points I raise are discussed days later in the media Sweden says they will not enforce a lockdown and let people carry on as normal. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 21:40:43 GMT 1, I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want.
Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan.
I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there.[/quote]
Lol. Yes. Lots of people are floating their ideas. Itโs constructive and fun. People just have to realize theyโre just ideas tho. Odds are one or more of them are on point. I enjoy hearing them.
Weed is what I recommend for C19 prevention. ๐คช
Real talk, stress is known to break down the immune system leaving you susceptible to illnesses. People relieve stress in different ways. Folks should try to find ways to wind down in safe ways and stay healthy. Read a teen died here in California from c19. And how some have c19 after throwing a c19 party. ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
Hopefully the younger crowds start taking this thing a lil more seriously.
On the bright side, my local g-store produce section was fully stocked yesterday. That was nice. Even had water.
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I agree and it is probably a lot harder on young people than we realise. A nineteen year old girl committed suicide because of this corona virus epidemic and the fear created in the media and by the lockdown. An intensive care dealing with corona virus victims at Kings College hospital in London in her twenties committed suicide this week. An Italian nurse killed herself this week because she feared she had infected people with corona virus. It's heartbreaking in reality.
I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want. Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan. I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there.[/quote] Lol. Yes. Lots of people are floating their ideas. Itโs constructive and fun. People just have to realize theyโre just ideas tho. Odds are one or more of them are on point. I enjoy hearing them. Weed is what I recommend for C19 prevention. ๐คช Real talk, stress is known to break down the immune system leaving you susceptible to illnesses. People relieve stress in different ways. Folks should try to find ways to wind down in safe ways and stay healthy. Read a teen died here in California from c19. And how some have c19 after throwing a c19 party. ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ Hopefully the younger crowds start taking this thing a lil more seriously. On the bright side, my local g-store produce section was fully stocked yesterday. That was nice. Even had water. [/quote] I agree and it is probably a lot harder on young people than we realise. A nineteen year old girl committed suicide because of this corona virus epidemic and the fear created in the media and by the lockdown. An intensive care dealing with corona virus victims at Kings College hospital in London in her twenties committed suicide this week. An Italian nurse killed herself this week because she feared she had infected people with corona virus. It's heartbreaking in reality. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 25, 2020 21:40:55 GMT 1, To be fair if you have the virus a bit of cocaine will make you feel better. It will make you think you feel better. Or make you feel invincible. But only in the company of other coke heads cos they can't handle reality when they are on it.
I'll try the cognac idea then
To be fair if you have the virus a bit of cocaine will make you feel better. It will make you think you feel better. Or make you feel invincible. But only in the company of other coke heads cos they can't handle reality when they are on it. I'll try the cognac idea then |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 21:43:21 GMT 1, It will make you think you feel better. Or make you feel invincible. But only in the company of other coke heads cos they can't handle reality when they are on it. I'll try the cognac idea then
It will make you think you feel better. Or make you feel invincible. But only in the company of other coke heads cos they can't handle reality when they are on it. I'll try the cognac idea then You wouldn't if you knew who was promoting the drink Cognac BS. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 21:49:45 GMT 1, Always will be underlying issues, but again testing is key. With 15 minute portable testing, we will be able to reopen borders/travel ect once we have the capacity and production to facilitate. A 21 year old girl with zero underlying issues died from Covid-19 in the UK today.
The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense.
"Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health.
Always will be underlying issues, but again testing is key. With 15 minute portable testing, we will be able to reopen borders/travel ect once we have the capacity and production to facilitate. A 21 year old girl with zero underlying issues died from Covid-19 in the UK today. The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 25, 2020 21:49:49 GMT 1,
excercise is a great stress reliever as promoted by the uk government ,
even sales are up with gym equipment and many sold out items that are usually in stock for ages are shown on sport equipment sites now .
I've gone for kettle bells , body and core workout , one excercise can utilise 4 or more muscle groups , strength and core training at the same time ,great cardio and a good workout in 30-45 mins
I've gone for
32kg kettle bell
8 kg kettle bell
18kg slam ball ( only one available ๐)
skipping rope
dug out an old excercise bike from the early 80s from the shed
I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want.
Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan.
I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there.[/quote]
Lol. Yes. Lots of people are floating their ideas. Itโs constructive and fun. People just have to realize theyโre just ideas tho. Odds are one or more of them are on point. I enjoy hearing them.
Weed is what I recommend for C19 prevention. ๐คช
Real talk, stress is known to break down the immune system leaving you susceptible to illnesses. People relieve stress in different ways. Folks should try to find ways to wind down in safe ways and stay healthy. Read a teen died here in California from c19. And how some have c19 after throwing a c19 party. ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
Hopefully the younger crowds start taking this thing a lil more seriously.
On the bright side, my local g-store produce section was fully stocked yesterday. That was nice. Even had water.
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excercise is a great stress reliever as promoted by the uk government , even sales are up with gym equipment and many sold out items that are usually in stock for ages are shown on sport equipment sites now . I've gone for kettle bells , body and core workout , one excercise can utilise 4 or more muscle groups , strength and core training at the same time ,great cardio and a good workout in 30-45 mins I've gone for 32kg kettle bell 8 kg kettle bell 18kg slam ball ( only one available ๐) skipping rope dug out an old excercise bike from the early 80s from the shed I didn't post a conspiracy theory. Just some info from sources you are free to check if you want. Bats that carry the corona virus took years of searching for and they were found hundreds of miles away from the source of the outbreak. They could not find any in Wuhan region. Plus they found different genes in bats which when taken as a whole, were 97% the same as the corona virus. There is however a biological lab only three hundred yards from the market in Wuhan. I agree about conspiracy theories. There are some in the con theo game who are promoting that this epidemic is caused by chemtrails and drinking cognac protects people. Others say cocaine prevents the virus, Lots of con merchants out there.[/quote] Lol. Yes. Lots of people are floating their ideas. Itโs constructive and fun. People just have to realize theyโre just ideas tho. Odds are one or more of them are on point. I enjoy hearing them. Weed is what I recommend for C19 prevention. ๐คช Real talk, stress is known to break down the immune system leaving you susceptible to illnesses. People relieve stress in different ways. Folks should try to find ways to wind down in safe ways and stay healthy. Read a teen died here in California from c19. And how some have c19 after throwing a c19 party. ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ Hopefully the younger crowds start taking this thing a lil more seriously. On the bright side, my local g-store produce section was fully stocked yesterday. That was nice. Even had water. [/quote] |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 25, 2020 21:52:21 GMT 1, In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well.
In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 25, 2020 21:53:46 GMT 1, I don't want to sound like a patronising t**t but after talking to a few people they don't seem to get the cross contamination with food or parcels, especially the older folk.
It's all well and good self isolating, but any food packaging or parcel deliveries need to be handled with care. If it can't be left untouched for a couple of days or sanitised on receiving it, then wash hands after any time of contagt with it.
Stating the obvious to most, but it doesn't seem to get a mention on the news. So make sure the old dears know๐
I don't want to sound like a patronising t**t but after talking to a few people they don't seem to get the cross contamination with food or parcels, especially the older folk.
It's all well and good self isolating, but any food packaging or parcel deliveries need to be handled with care. If it can't be left untouched for a couple of days or sanitised on receiving it, then wash hands after any time of contagt with it.
Stating the obvious to most, but it doesn't seem to get a mention on the news. So make sure the old dears know๐
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 25, 2020 22:05:33 GMT 1, A 21 year old girl with zero underlying issues died from Covid-19 in the UK today. The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health.
A 21 year old girl with zero underlying issues died from Covid-19 in the UK today. The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 22:19:56 GMT 1, In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well. You donโt HAVE to smoke weed brah. Most weed connoisseurs out here I know have edibles, vape pens, smoke and even pills and tinctures. Make a lil weed butter and add it to ur favorite snack and hang on. Best way to have a fun night Iโve found is to knock back a couple edibles as they last for hours in ur system and then float where u wanna be with a vape pen or smoke. Something is gonna kill us all, might as well live a little bit. I donโt hate on people for what they do to unwind. I do hate on them if they canโt handle theirs**t and becomes**tty people harming others. Some of my favorite people were/are coke heads. Sadly, long term hard core use of anything has devastating effects on the mind and body. Robin Williams being one that we shouldnโt have lost and had soo much left to give that comes to mind.
In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well. You donโt HAVE to smoke weed brah. Most weed connoisseurs out here I know have edibles, vape pens, smoke and even pills and tinctures. Make a lil weed butter and add it to ur favorite snack and hang on. Best way to have a fun night Iโve found is to knock back a couple edibles as they last for hours in ur system and then float where u wanna be with a vape pen or smoke. Something is gonna kill us all, might as well live a little bit. I donโt hate on people for what they do to unwind. I do hate on them if they canโt handle theirs**t and becomes**tty people harming others. Some of my favorite people were/are coke heads. Sadly, long term hard core use of anything has devastating effects on the mind and body. Robin Williams being one that we shouldnโt have lost and had soo much left to give that comes to mind. There are always side effects. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Mar 25, 2020 22:21:13 GMT 1, Donโt panic people, the leader of the free world says heโll have this sorted by Easter.... great stuff!
Donโt panic people, the leader of the free world says heโll have this sorted by Easter.... great stuff!
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Inknart
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 22:28:06 GMT 1, The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong.
The data is still inconclusive.
A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect.
The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. Not discrediting the virus at all. It's a bad virus, but life must go on, regardless. I'm simply saying with more testing and precautions we continue to curve it until we have a vaccine. The data is still inconclusive. A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by k2 on Mar 25, 2020 22:32:50 GMT 1, I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ย ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. Not discrediting the virus at all. It's a bad virus, but life must go on, regardless. I'm simply saying with more testing and precautions we continue to curve it until we have a vaccine.ย The data is still inconclusive.ย A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect.ย
Just checking... youโve seen whatโs going on in Italy and Spain right?
I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ย ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. Not discrediting the virus at all. It's a bad virus, but life must go on, regardless. I'm simply saying with more testing and precautions we continue to curve it until we have a vaccine.ย The data is still inconclusive.ย A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect.ย Just checking... youโve seen whatโs going on in Italy and Spain right? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 22:32:52 GMT 1, The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong.
When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation.
The same happens with the regular flu every year as well. Unfortunately, that will not change the fact that nobody is going to quarantine for a full year for what is most likely under .1% of the population in that demographic with no underlying conditions. The economy will re-open regardless, the infection will still spread. Until a vaccine, humanity will have to continue with caution and like I said, up the testing to continue curbing the disease while practicing social distancing, using anti virals and common sense. "Underlying issues" was in regards to refugees coming and going, it wasn't about an individuals health. I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 25, 2020 22:38:05 GMT 1, Although it is needed I do not think throwing trainee doctors in the deep end is the right solution , they are young , yes keen but many would not be able to deal with the countless deaths they are about to encounter soon ,
There is no training to deal with deaths , unfortunately some new trainees see showing emotions about death is a weakness as it is part of the job so will deal with hidden stress and pressure trying to prove themselves in some challenging cases .
Even long term doctors , surgeons find deaths stressful and sometimes take personally let alone to be in an influx of deaths .
Already mentioned nurses committing suicide , well known of drs commuting suicide as of stress , Chinese doctors and nurses breaking down with mental health issues from dealing with covid 19
Hope the government have support mechanisms in place for all health care staff especially the trainee doctors
Subject not much discussion on , death , suicide and metal health which this pandemic will create and therefor structure and support needs to be put in place now before services available now become overloaded
Although it is needed I do not think throwing trainee doctors in the deep end is the right solution , they are young , yes keen but many would not be able to deal with the countless deaths they are about to encounter soon ,
There is no training to deal with deaths , unfortunately some new trainees see showing emotions about death is a weakness as it is part of the job so will deal with hidden stress and pressure trying to prove themselves in some challenging cases .
Even long term doctors , surgeons find deaths stressful and sometimes take personally let alone to be in an influx of deaths .
Already mentioned nurses committing suicide , well known of drs commuting suicide as of stress , Chinese doctors and nurses breaking down with mental health issues from dealing with covid 19
Hope the government have support mechanisms in place for all health care staff especially the trainee doctors
Subject not much discussion on , death , suicide and metal health which this pandemic will create and therefor structure and support needs to be put in place now before services available now become overloaded
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 25, 2020 22:39:52 GMT 1, Above mean final year students of medical school which the government have agreed to
Above mean final year students of medical school which the government have agreed to
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Mar 25, 2020 22:42:25 GMT 1, Above mean final year students of medical school which the government have agreed to
Most of which are only a few months off being fully qualified. They wonโt be doing anything not qualified to do so so I think fair play for them wanting to help.
Above mean final year students of medical school which the government have agreed to Most of which are only a few months off being fully qualified. They wonโt be doing anything not qualified to do so so I think fair play for them wanting to help. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 25, 2020 22:42:45 GMT 1, I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ย ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. ย ย When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. ย
Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are
I'm sorry to say I really think you are massively underestimating this virus on health and economy ย ... and believe me I really hope I'm wrong. ย ย When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. ย Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 22:46:12 GMT 1, Although it is needed I do not think throwing trainee doctors in the deep end is the right solution , they are young , yes keen but many would not be able to deal with the countless deaths they are about to encounter soon , There is no training to deal with deaths , unfortunately some new trainees see showing emotions about death is a weakness as it is part of the job so will deal with hidden stress and pressure trying to prove themselves in some challenging cases . Even long term doctors , surgeons find deaths stressful and sometimes take personally let alone to be in an influx of deaths . Already mentioned nurses committing suicide , well known of drs commuting suicide as of stress , Chinese doctors and nurses breaking down with mental health issues from dealing with covid 19 Hope the government have support mechanisms in place for all health care staff especially the trainee doctors Subject not much discussion on , death , suicide and metal health which this pandemic will create and therefor structure and support needs to be put in place now before services available now become overloaded
Although it is needed I do not think throwing trainee doctors in the deep end is the right solution , they are young , yes keen but many would not be able to deal with the countless deaths they are about to encounter soon , There is no training to deal with deaths , unfortunately some new trainees see showing emotions about death is a weakness as it is part of the job so will deal with hidden stress and pressure trying to prove themselves in some challenging cases . Even long term doctors , surgeons find deaths stressful and sometimes take personally let alone to be in an influx of deaths . Already mentioned nurses committing suicide , well known of drs commuting suicide as of stress , Chinese doctors and nurses breaking down with mental health issues from dealing with covid 19 Hope the government have support mechanisms in place for all health care staff especially the trainee doctors Subject not much discussion on , death , suicide and metal health which this pandemic will create and therefor structure and support needs to be put in place now before services available now become overloaded There is a lot that the government could be doing for NHS staff doctors nurses etc that they are not. Nursing staff feel under pressure over worked and under valued by the government. Where are the government initiatives to help the nursing staff? They work long shifts, can't by food cos people have over bought food and other items. Why Boris has not guaranteed an increase in pay and other benefits to NHS staff during thsi lockdown and crisis is beyond me. |
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Inknart
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 22:48:41 GMT 1, Not discrediting the virus at all. It's a bad virus, but life must go on, regardless. I'm simply saying with more testing and precautions we continue to curve it until we have a vaccine. The data is still inconclusive. A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect. Just checking... youโve seen whatโs going on in Italy and Spain right?
Again, without testing every single person who contracts the disease (80% a symptomatic) we don't have realistic accumulative numbers.
I'm not sure what i'm saying that seems so far fetched. We can fear monger all we want, we can reference numbers that aren't whole, but at the end of the day as I said life will go on, it has to regardless of a vaccine being ready to distribute. A Global Recession/Depression will outweigh the damage this virus can and will cause, the economy is already volatile, unfortunately their will be a new normality to life for awhile. Some people more at risk than others. Testing/Virals/Distancing being key players to continue curving it.
Not discrediting the virus at all. It's a bad virus, but life must go on, regardless. I'm simply saying with more testing and precautions we continue to curve it until we have a vaccine. The data is still inconclusive. A global recession/depression from 6 months of quarantine would probably yield more deaths than the virus. This is the sad truth we will be faced with, which is why curving the amount of people and peaking is the game plan. This will continue until said vaccine or hopefully it peters itself out long enough during summer here in the states to help bridge the gap for supplies/virals/vaccines ect. Just checking... youโve seen whatโs going on in Italy and Spain right? Yes, every country has different demographics, and like i said, the data is not comprehensive enough. You could compare Italy to the same size of CA, doesn't mean CA is as densely populated as somewhere like Italy. Italy's age demographic is significantly higher with elderly people. They're also saying it may have peaked this week with 3 days of decline. Again, without testing every single person who contracts the disease (80% a symptomatic) we don't have realistic accumulative numbers. I'm not sure what i'm saying that seems so far fetched. We can fear monger all we want, we can reference numbers that aren't whole, but at the end of the day as I said life will go on, it has to regardless of a vaccine being ready to distribute. A Global Recession/Depression will outweigh the damage this virus can and will cause, the economy is already volatile, unfortunately their will be a new normality to life for awhile. Some people more at risk than others. Testing/Virals/Distancing being key players to continue curving it. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 25, 2020 22:57:37 GMT 1, In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well. You donโt HAVE to smoke weed brah. Most weed connoisseurs out here I know have edibles, vape pens, smoke and even pills and tinctures. Make a lil weed butter and add it to ur favorite snack and hang on. Best way to have a fun night Iโve found is to knock back a couple edibles as they last for hours in ur system and then float where u wanna be with a vape pen or smoke. Something is gonna kill us all, might as well live a little bit. I donโt hate on people for what they do to unwind. I do hate on them if they canโt handle theirs**t and becomes**tty people harming others. Some of my favorite people were/are coke heads. Sadly, long term hard core use of anything has devastating effects on the mind and body. Robin Williams being one that we shouldnโt have lost and had soo much left to give that comes to mind.  ) I'm based in the UK however have enjoyed the many delights of the Dispensary in Yucca Valley. I'm not into edibles they make me feel sick and I think vapes are as bad for your lungs as smoking a massive bifta. Each to their own though, I never said I don't like tings like that I said they're bad for your lungs and with much regret my lungs are no longer up to it. I really like the lip balm maybe I can trip out using that 
In reality weed & cocaine significantly weaken the lungs. Smokers & users on ventilators don't respond well. You donโt HAVE to smoke weed brah. Most weed connoisseurs out here I know have edibles, vape pens, smoke and even pills and tinctures. Make a lil weed butter and add it to ur favorite snack and hang on. Best way to have a fun night Iโve found is to knock back a couple edibles as they last for hours in ur system and then float where u wanna be with a vape pen or smoke. Something is gonna kill us all, might as well live a little bit. I donโt hate on people for what they do to unwind. I do hate on them if they canโt handle theirs**t and becomes**tty people harming others. Some of my favorite people were/are coke heads. Sadly, long term hard core use of anything has devastating effects on the mind and body. Robin Williams being one that we shouldnโt have lost and had soo much left to give that comes to mind. Yes Brah ( ) I'm based in the UK however have enjoyed the many delights of the Dispensary in Yucca Valley. I'm not into edibles they make me feel sick and I think vapes are as bad for your lungs as smoking a massive bifta. Each to their own though, I never said I don't like tings like that I said they're bad for your lungs and with much regret my lungs are no longer up to it. I really like the lip balm maybe I can trip out using that |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Mar 25, 2020 23:01:41 GMT 1, When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are
When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are In Europe and US it has cost tens of thousands of small business's and individuals who are self employed their incomes and probably put the majority into debt or possibility of closing down. The lock down and people holding onto their money. Many small businesses rely on goods made in China and many compete with China. The Chinese government subsidises Chinese business and shipping products from China to US and Europe which means many small suppliers cannot compete because shipping and postal charges put people of buying internationally from US and Europe. I get the feeling that after this, many will look at China and business differently. I am sure Trump will be determined to get the economy moving and no doubt he will impose new tarifs on China. There is also Mexico which is starting to produce goods and products for the US and other markets and although it ha s long way to go to compete. With the right investment Mexico could be the place to go to have products made. |
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Inknart
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 23:03:13 GMT 1, Yes, every country has different demographics, and like i said, the data is not comprehensive enough. You could compare Italy to the same size of CA, doesn't mean CA is as densely populated as somewhere like Italy. Italy's age demographic is significantly higher with elderly people. They're also saying it may have peaked this week with 3 days of decline. Again, without testing every single person who contracts the disease (80% a symptomatic) we don't have realistic accumulative numbers. I'm not sure what i'm saying that seems so far fetched. We can fear monger all we want, we can reference numbers that aren't whole, but at the end of the day as I said life will go on, it has to regardless of a vaccine being ready to distribute. A Global Recession/Depression will outweigh the damage this virus can and will cause, the economy is already volatile, unfortunately their will be a new normality to life for awhile. Some people more at risk than others. Testing/Virals/Distancing being key players to continue curving it. There is gonna be a time when the world leaders are going to have to make the hard choice that no one enjoys, but is why ur a leader in the first place. And that choice is gonna be weighing the needs of the many vs the needs of the few and that choice is never popular as weโre talking life or death here. Itโs as**t time to be a politician right now.
Yes, every country has different demographics, and like i said, the data is not comprehensive enough. You could compare Italy to the same size of CA, doesn't mean CA is as densely populated as somewhere like Italy. Italy's age demographic is significantly higher with elderly people. They're also saying it may have peaked this week with 3 days of decline. Again, without testing every single person who contracts the disease (80% a symptomatic) we don't have realistic accumulative numbers. I'm not sure what i'm saying that seems so far fetched. We can fear monger all we want, we can reference numbers that aren't whole, but at the end of the day as I said life will go on, it has to regardless of a vaccine being ready to distribute. A Global Recession/Depression will outweigh the damage this virus can and will cause, the economy is already volatile, unfortunately their will be a new normality to life for awhile. Some people more at risk than others. Testing/Virals/Distancing being key players to continue curving it. There is gonna be a time when the world leaders are going to have to make the hard choice that no one enjoys, but is why ur a leader in the first place. And that choice is gonna be weighing the needs of the many vs the needs of the few and that choice is never popular as weโre talking life or death here. Itโs as**t time to be a politician right now. Exactly. Nobody wants to say it, but here in the US, I can almost guarantee in 4 weeks the restrictions will be lifted by the government. Trump saying 2 weeks right now for Easter, but that is way to presumptuous even by his standards with the peak estimated in 3 weeks. My money is on 4. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 25, 2020 23:04:33 GMT 1, When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are
When it is over, this pandemic will have huge repercussions for China too financially. People will also be looking at their governments in Europe differently and judging them and how they handled the situation. Maybe defence budgets and space programmes cut and medical research boosted after this , really shows how vulnerable countries are Yes and shut down offshore tax havens. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 23:06:56 GMT 1, Exactly. Nobody wants to say it, but here in the US, I can almost guarantee in 4 weeks the restrictions will be lifted by the government. Thank goodness for your guarantee, the internetโs been crying out for an unqualified expert.
Exactly. Nobody wants to say it, but here in the US, I can almost guarantee in 4 weeks the restrictions will be lifted by the government. Thank goodness for your guarantee, the internetโs been crying out for an unqualified expert. Doesn't take an expert to understand Trump's motives.... |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Inknart on Mar 25, 2020 23:11:16 GMT 1, I have literally no idea what youโre talking about, but itโs sadly necessary to single out your apparent observation of the acute involvement of โrefugeesโ in the matter? About those โrefugeesโ you mentioned Inknart , do tell?
I have literally no idea what youโre talking about, but itโs sadly necessary to single out your apparent observation of the acute involvement of โrefugeesโ in the matter? About those โrefugeesโ you mentioned Inknart , do tell? It was in response to Tab's previous post regarding stopping refugees coming and going... I was simply saying those underlying issues will always be a problem. |
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) I'm based in the UK however have enjoyed the many delights of the Dispensary in Yucca Valley. I'm not into edibles they make me feel sick and I think vapes are as bad for your lungs as smoking a massive bifta. Each to their own though, I never said I don't like tings like that I said they're bad for your lungs and with much regret my lungs are no longer up to it. I really like the lip balm maybe I can trip out using that 
