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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by pellets on Apr 19, 2020 9:38:00 GMT 1, Ummm because he said so ‘We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible’ 😁 It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up?
Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally?
How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground?
Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus?
I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line.
Ummm because he said so ‘We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible’ 😁 It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally? How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus? I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by brycepen on Apr 19, 2020 10:08:47 GMT 1, It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally? How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus? I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line.
Okay, after this, I’m done talking about this. I think everyone is just better off believing whatever they want to believe. I’m not here to convince you otherwise.
To answer your questions (at least the important ones):
How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day?
yes, viruses replicate quickly. Does that allow for mutations to happen more rapidly, yes, absolutely. But a mutation is just an error in the transcription of viral DNA. Most of these times, it may only be a single nucleotide that changes. This is why mutations that actually lead to the evolution of a virus still take a long time. And even then, the resulting mutation usually creates some evolutionary advance. For example: antibiotic resistance. This is why we need a new flu shot each year.
How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human?
Very rarely happens. This is especially relevant in this case. The “mutations” from SARS to SARS2 had a very specific result; they added an ACE2 receptor binding site. ACE2 is the human enzyme that controls blood pressure. I cannot fathom any way that the SARS virus would acquire the human genetic coding to develop into SARS2 without a whole lot of interaction with human DNA.
How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground?
Beats me, but measuring the threat of a virus to human mortality usually has more to do with the level of contagion than the severity of the virus. What makes this virus so dangerous is that it is highly contagious with an extremely long incubation period. As we know, the severity of the illness ranges from people being completely asymptomatic to requiring prolonged hospitalization and eventually dying. Whether or not it is more “lethal” than other viruses is unfortunately inconsistent across the population. It’s pretty much a combination of quality of treatment received/age/comorbid conditions/the luck of the draw.
It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally? How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus? I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line. Okay, after this, I’m done talking about this. I think everyone is just better off believing whatever they want to believe. I’m not here to convince you otherwise. To answer your questions (at least the important ones): How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? yes, viruses replicate quickly. Does that allow for mutations to happen more rapidly, yes, absolutely. But a mutation is just an error in the transcription of viral DNA. Most of these times, it may only be a single nucleotide that changes. This is why mutations that actually lead to the evolution of a virus still take a long time. And even then, the resulting mutation usually creates some evolutionary advance. For example: antibiotic resistance. This is why we need a new flu shot each year. How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? Very rarely happens. This is especially relevant in this case. The “mutations” from SARS to SARS2 had a very specific result; they added an ACE2 receptor binding site. ACE2 is the human enzyme that controls blood pressure. I cannot fathom any way that the SARS virus would acquire the human genetic coding to develop into SARS2 without a whole lot of interaction with human DNA. How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Beats me, but measuring the threat of a virus to human mortality usually has more to do with the level of contagion than the severity of the virus. What makes this virus so dangerous is that it is highly contagious with an extremely long incubation period. As we know, the severity of the illness ranges from people being completely asymptomatic to requiring prolonged hospitalization and eventually dying. Whether or not it is more “lethal” than other viruses is unfortunately inconsistent across the population. It’s pretty much a combination of quality of treatment received/age/comorbid conditions/the luck of the draw. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by claret on Apr 19, 2020 10:23:11 GMT 1, PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability
as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days.
When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this.
PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 19, 2020 10:35:53 GMT 1, Ummm because he said so ‘We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible’ 😁 It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up?
Have you told anyone you've got a vaccine for SAR Cov1? Might save everyone alot of time and money and get yourself A KBE.
Ummm because he said so ‘We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible’ 😁 It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Have you told anyone you've got a vaccine for SAR Cov1? Might save everyone alot of time and money and get yourself A KBE. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Apr 19, 2020 10:36:38 GMT 1, Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally? How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus? I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line. Okay, after this, I’m done talking about this. I think everyone is just better off believing whatever they want to believe. I’m not here to convince you otherwise. To answer your questions (at least the important ones): How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? yes, viruses replicate quickly. Does that allow for mutations to happen more rapidly, yes, absolutely. But a mutation is just an error in the transcription of viral DNA. Most of these times, it may only be a single nucleotide that changes. This is why mutations that actually lead to the evolution of a virus still take a long time. And even then, the resulting mutation usually creates some evolutionary advance. For example: antibiotic resistance. This is why we need a new flu shot each year. How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? Very rarely happens. This is especially relevant in this case. The “mutations” from SARS to SARS2 had a very specific result; they added an ACE2 receptor binding site. ACE2 is the human enzyme that controls blood pressure. I cannot fathom any way that the SARS virus would acquire the human genetic coding to develop into SARS2 without a whole lot of interaction with human DNA. How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Beats me, but measuring the threat of a virus to human mortality usually has more to do with the level of contagion than the severity of the virus. What makes this virus so dangerous is that it is highly contagious with an extremely long incubation period. As we know, the severity of the illness ranges from people being completely asymptomatic to requiring prolonged hospitalization and eventually dying. Whether or not it is more “lethal” than other viruses is unfortunately inconsistent across the population. It’s pretty much a combination of quality of treatment received/age/comorbid conditions/the luck of the draw.
I think you’re missing the point here. You clearly either misquoted or misunderstood the Director of the National institute of allergy and infectious diseases to make your point that you believe it was man made in your original post.
I don’t or haven’t professed I have a science background but I’m fairly sure given he’s been in that position for many a year he’s fairly well versed in these matters so perhaps naively I’m going to go all out and say his judgement on this matter is likely better than mine (And dare I say it I suspect yours) 😁
Wouldnt occams razor say the simplest solution was that it formed naturally? How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? How many days have there been since the last recorded emergence of a novel virus? How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Isnt the random mutation of trillions of viruses more believable than a conspiracy involving a secret lab and a leaked virus? I have zero science background but i have to think that scientists outside of China who are concluding this is not a man made virus dont have much motivation to tow the CCP’s line. Okay, after this, I’m done talking about this. I think everyone is just better off believing whatever they want to believe. I’m not here to convince you otherwise. To answer your questions (at least the important ones): How many times do all of the virus’ in the world replicate in a single day? yes, viruses replicate quickly. Does that allow for mutations to happen more rapidly, yes, absolutely. But a mutation is just an error in the transcription of viral DNA. Most of these times, it may only be a single nucleotide that changes. This is why mutations that actually lead to the evolution of a virus still take a long time. And even then, the resulting mutation usually creates some evolutionary advance. For example: antibiotic resistance. This is why we need a new flu shot each year. How many viruses mutate into a form that could kill humans but never come into contact with a human? Very rarely happens. This is especially relevant in this case. The “mutations” from SARS to SARS2 had a very specific result; they added an ACE2 receptor binding site. ACE2 is the human enzyme that controls blood pressure. I cannot fathom any way that the SARS virus would acquire the human genetic coding to develop into SARS2 without a whole lot of interaction with human DNA. How many viruses mutate into a version that kills humans too quickly and so never get off of the ground? Beats me, but measuring the threat of a virus to human mortality usually has more to do with the level of contagion than the severity of the virus. What makes this virus so dangerous is that it is highly contagious with an extremely long incubation period. As we know, the severity of the illness ranges from people being completely asymptomatic to requiring prolonged hospitalization and eventually dying. Whether or not it is more “lethal” than other viruses is unfortunately inconsistent across the population. It’s pretty much a combination of quality of treatment received/age/comorbid conditions/the luck of the draw. I think you’re missing the point here. You clearly either misquoted or misunderstood the Director of the National institute of allergy and infectious diseases to make your point that you believe it was man made in your original post. I don’t or haven’t professed I have a science background but I’m fairly sure given he’s been in that position for many a year he’s fairly well versed in these matters so perhaps naively I’m going to go all out and say his judgement on this matter is likely better than mine (And dare I say it I suspect yours) 😁 |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 19, 2020 10:41:46 GMT 1, PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this.
I think the point is that there were alot of missed opportunities to be better prepared. Missed Cobra meetings and an unwillingness to work the weekend don't really point to Boris being particularity bellicose.
PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. I think the point is that there were alot of missed opportunities to be better prepared. Missed Cobra meetings and an unwillingness to work the weekend don't really point to Boris being particularity bellicose. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by pellets on Apr 19, 2020 11:27:52 GMT 1, Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. I think the point is that there were alot of missed opportunities to be better prepared. Missed Cobra meetings and an unwillingness to work the weekend don't really point to Boris being particularity bellicose.
Do we even have weekends anymore? Isnt everyday the same now. I can only track the day by whether we’re clapping or not.
Imagine a politician thinking its okay to not work a weekend but NHS expected to be on the front line 24/7
Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. I think the point is that there were alot of missed opportunities to be better prepared. Missed Cobra meetings and an unwillingness to work the weekend don't really point to Boris being particularity bellicose. Do we even have weekends anymore? Isnt everyday the same now. I can only track the day by whether we’re clapping or not. Imagine a politician thinking its okay to not work a weekend but NHS expected to be on the front line 24/7 |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Daylight Robber on Apr 19, 2020 11:48:26 GMT 1, PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this.
This is a political issue. Our government is meant to be equipped. They modelled a flu like pandemic in 2016 and whilst they suppressed the report itself, we know that they were told we weren't well equipped then and that they should invest in equipment pretty sharpish. It's fairly well considered that the report suggested the best way for the UK to mitigate any risk was to invest more in the NHS. They chose not to. Nothing to do with us being an island. Australia is an island. Taiwan is an island. Iceland is an island. None of them are struggling like we are.
PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. This is a political issue. Our government is meant to be equipped. They modelled a flu like pandemic in 2016 and whilst they suppressed the report itself, we know that they were told we weren't well equipped then and that they should invest in equipment pretty sharpish. It's fairly well considered that the report suggested the best way for the UK to mitigate any risk was to invest more in the NHS. They chose not to. Nothing to do with us being an island. Australia is an island. Taiwan is an island. Iceland is an island. None of them are struggling like we are. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by brycepen on Apr 19, 2020 11:59:40 GMT 1, It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Have you told anyone you've got a vaccine for SAR Cov1? Might save everyone alot of time and money and get yourself A KBE.
Uh, dozens of promising vaccines for SARS were developed, but the outbreak was neutralized before they could undergo rigorous human testing and be analyzed for efficacy. At that point, continuing the drug development process would be an expensive exercise in futility. My point was that Wuhan was definitely not trying to cure a virus that stopped being a threat in 2003.
It must be nice to lack enough scientific knowledge to find comfort in that statement. It’s not as if the head of the NIH is going to go on TV and tell the public that China is probably capable of producing sophisticated bioweapons that they could easily disseminate to the world population, killing hundreds of thousands of people and devastating national economies without so much as lifting a finger. I don’t think that China intended to release this virus to the general population. I think they were playing with explosives and accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb. But why were they studying Coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab??? We have a vaccine for SARS, so what exactly were they researching when they stumbled upon this new virus? Why the massive cover up? Have you told anyone you've got a vaccine for SAR Cov1? Might save everyone alot of time and money and get yourself A KBE. Uh, dozens of promising vaccines for SARS were developed, but the outbreak was neutralized before they could undergo rigorous human testing and be analyzed for efficacy. At that point, continuing the drug development process would be an expensive exercise in futility. My point was that Wuhan was definitely not trying to cure a virus that stopped being a threat in 2003. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by brycepen on Apr 19, 2020 12:13:50 GMT 1, I think you’re missing the point here. You clearly either misquoted or misunderstood the Director of the National institute of allergy and infectious diseases to make your point that you believe it was man made in your original post. I don’t or haven’t professed I have a science background but I’m fairly sure given he’s been in that position for many a year he’s fairly well versed in these matters so perhaps naively I’m going to go all out and say his judgement on this matter is likely better than mine (And dare I say it I suspect yours) 😁
Incorrect. My misquote actually would support the converse view; not mine. The original quote is even more ambiguous and phrases his opinion as an evolution of species through mutation rather than the evolution of viruses through mutations. I purposely made the assumption that his intent was to address to evolution of viruses and animal to human transmission because that would make more sense. Clearly you don’t really understand the discussion here if you thought my paraphrasing the original analysis completely invalidates my opinion.
I think you’re missing the point here. You clearly either misquoted or misunderstood the Director of the National institute of allergy and infectious diseases to make your point that you believe it was man made in your original post. I don’t or haven’t professed I have a science background but I’m fairly sure given he’s been in that position for many a year he’s fairly well versed in these matters so perhaps naively I’m going to go all out and say his judgement on this matter is likely better than mine (And dare I say it I suspect yours) 😁 Incorrect. My misquote actually would support the converse view; not mine. The original quote is even more ambiguous and phrases his opinion as an evolution of species through mutation rather than the evolution of viruses through mutations. I purposely made the assumption that his intent was to address to evolution of viruses and animal to human transmission because that would make more sense. Clearly you don’t really understand the discussion here if you thought my paraphrasing the original analysis completely invalidates my opinion. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by brycepen on Apr 19, 2020 12:40:23 GMT 1, just say ... that it came from a bat or other animal ... when it entered a human it would have mutated at that point to be able to infect human to human ...
Actually, dappy here just gave the most plausible way this virus could have developed naturally. If it had entered a human as SARS, the virus could have mutated into SARS2, though that really doesn’t have much to do with human to human transmission. Human to human transmission was probably always possible, but the addition of the mutation AFTER animal to human transmission could and probably did have the effect of making subsequent human to human transmission much easier (meaning, it made the virus far more contagious than it was before mutation.)
just say ... that it came from a bat or other animal ... when it entered a human it would have mutated at that point to be able to infect human to human ... Actually, dappy here just gave the most plausible way this virus could have developed naturally. If it had entered a human as SARS, the virus could have mutated into SARS2, though that really doesn’t have much to do with human to human transmission. Human to human transmission was probably always possible, but the addition of the mutation AFTER animal to human transmission could and probably did have the effect of making subsequent human to human transmission much easier (meaning, it made the virus far more contagious than it was before mutation.) |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Apr 19, 2020 12:44:43 GMT 1, PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this.
How did Britain get its response so wrong? Link
PP f&%king E What a joke. I am protesting this rubbish. Have you seen what they have? No FPP3. No proper overalls, gowns, goggles, gloves. There are probably more graffiti artists in London with better PPE than the anything the NHS have. I sit there looking at my half mask with disgust and shame. If we had proper testing it could be given to the NHS but we have nothing, so who knows if I have covid or did have, its useless for now. All I want to know is at what date did they start buying PPE. If it was not when China were building 2 hospitals in a week the our country has failed the NHS and us. Because it was clear at that point control had been lost and it was on it's way if not here. Blood on the hands of the bullingdon boys have some answering to do. Accountability Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. Everything about the governments response to Covid19 is political. You only have to look at other countries whose leaders are medically qualified professionals prior to going into politics to see that the gravitas necessary to overcome this virus is utterly lacking in the UK. Evidently a bunch of journalists, hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and PR spin doctors that are currently in office are not up to the job and never will be. How did Britain get its response so wrong? Link |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 19, 2020 12:57:24 GMT 1, Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. Everything about the governments response to Covid19 is political. You only have to look at other countries whose leaders are medically qualified professionals prior to going into politics to see that the gravitas necessary to overcome this virus is utterly lacking in the UK. Evidently a bunch of journalists, hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and PR spin doctors that are currently in office are not up to the job and never will be.
U.K. completing brexit with out any deals set , the economy was likely heading for a crash before the pandemic crisis
All advisory government policies and U.K. risk planning documents suggested a vaccine would be developed for any new virus entering the U.K. in 4-6 months , with knowing other countries infected months prior could be relying on a treatment to be developed soon and playing for time to save the economy at the time , once hit home the time scales to actually develop a viable vaccine all quickly changed
Money was initially the deciding factor
Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. Everything about the governments response to Covid19 is political. You only have to look at other countries whose leaders are medically qualified professionals prior to going into politics to see that the gravitas necessary to overcome this virus is utterly lacking in the UK. Evidently a bunch of journalists, hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and PR spin doctors that are currently in office are not up to the job and never will be. U.K. completing brexit with out any deals set , the economy was likely heading for a crash before the pandemic crisis All advisory government policies and U.K. risk planning documents suggested a vaccine would be developed for any new virus entering the U.K. in 4-6 months , with knowing other countries infected months prior could be relying on a treatment to be developed soon and playing for time to save the economy at the time , once hit home the time scales to actually develop a viable vaccine all quickly changed Money was initially the deciding factor |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 19, 2020 13:08:46 GMT 1,
Coming to the light the ppe stockpile issues. Mentioned a month ago and in that time with the documents to hand advising the government still had time to increase orders but lacked action until requests and complaints from the frontline nhs staff came..this Issue of ppe being not kept up to stock Level requirements has had devastating consequences and caused many losses of life that had been preventable and pre planned
There are many items and departments kept for emergency/crisis times , civil disturbance , terrorism etc that the government have provided stock To various emergency service departments that is well out of date , I hope this crisis will force an audit of all stocks
Otherwise will be caught out again and put emergency personnel lives needlessly in risk
Coming to the light the ppe stockpile issues. Mentioned a month ago and in that time with the documents to hand advising the government still had time to increase orders but lacked action until requests and complaints from the frontline nhs staff came..this Issue of ppe being not kept up to stock Level requirements has had devastating consequences and caused many losses of life that had been preventable and pre planned There are many items and departments kept for emergency/crisis times , civil disturbance , terrorism etc that the government have provided stock To various emergency service departments that is well out of date , I hope this crisis will force an audit of all stocks Otherwise will be caught out again and put emergency personnel lives needlessly in risk |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wardance on Apr 19, 2020 13:47:24 GMT 1, Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. Everything about the governments response to Covid19 is political. You only have to look at other countries whose leaders are medically qualified professionals prior to going into politics to see that the gravitas necessary to overcome this virus is utterly lacking in the UK. Evidently a bunch of journalists, hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and PR spin doctors that are currently in office are not up to the job and never will be. How did Britain get its response so wrong? Link
This fucking shambles of a govt are a disgrace. Led by a buffoon who thinks running his hand through his hair and bumbling a response is acceptable. Doesn't fucking work now does it you c*nt!
A man who things he's entitled to govern and so confident in himself and our stupidity that he doesn't have to do the groundwork - he can just make it up as he goes along. After all, it's worked in the past.
Michael Gove - a man who tells us we've had enough of experts. Fucking need them now don't you you idiot.
Pretti Patel - a woman even her own party are trying to hide from the public.
Matt Hancock - totally out of his depth.
Where's your fucking free market now to solve this?
Since 1979, the state has increasingly failed in its duty to provide the foundations a country needs to see it through good times and bad. And todays govt are a product of the society we've allowed to flourish, believing increased financial wealth will be all we need.
Let's hope that something better comes out of all this and these clowns that have led us to this mess are removed.
Someone else trying to play the politics card rather that debate the issue. where does bullington come into it? as the general public prefer to buy cheap goods we have limited manufacture in the Uk. That’s happened for the last 20 years. You can’t turn that around in days. When the country charters daily BA flights to China to pick up PPE it might point us to the truth that we are a limited island not equipped for this. Everything about the governments response to Covid19 is political. You only have to look at other countries whose leaders are medically qualified professionals prior to going into politics to see that the gravitas necessary to overcome this virus is utterly lacking in the UK. Evidently a bunch of journalists, hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and PR spin doctors that are currently in office are not up to the job and never will be. How did Britain get its response so wrong? LinkSince 1979 the state has been stripped back so that what we're seeing today is a culmination of incompetence, the belief in the free market, the governance by the privileged elite, and the inability of successive govts to fully appreciate the role they need to play in ensuring the well-being of its population. This fucking shambles of a govt are a disgrace. Led by a buffoon who thinks running his hand through his hair and bumbling a response is acceptable. Doesn't fucking work now does it you c*nt! A man who things he's entitled to govern and so confident in himself and our stupidity that he doesn't have to do the groundwork - he can just make it up as he goes along. After all, it's worked in the past. Michael Gove - a man who tells us we've had enough of experts. Fucking need them now don't you you idiot. Pretti Patel - a woman even her own party are trying to hide from the public. Matt Hancock - totally out of his depth. Where's your fucking free market now to solve this? Since 1979, the state has increasingly failed in its duty to provide the foundations a country needs to see it through good times and bad. And todays govt are a product of the society we've allowed to flourish, believing increased financial wealth will be all we need. Let's hope that something better comes out of all this and these clowns that have led us to this mess are removed. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Apr 19, 2020 13:48:17 GMT 1, Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital.
Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital. |
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With the increasing preciousness of PPE I do wonder what kind of tactics are being employed to procure it. What are the chaps from Hereford up to at the moment? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 19, 2020 13:58:09 GMT 1, With the increasing preciousness of PPE I do wonder what kind of tactics are being employed to procure it. What are the chaps from Hereford up to at the moment?
Hopefully we can steer clear of passive aggressive behaviour on this thread and have some open discussions and be direct with questioning
The virus is still in The early stages of research ,little is known , governments are releasing little information , some members of the public are concerned more than others and may speculate to fill in the gaps , at this present time everyone is free to have ideas from the little information we can gather ?we are on an art forum ? Which usually attracts openness and free thinkers and individuals with an imagination ?
With the increasing preciousness of PPE I do wonder what kind of tactics are being employed to procure it. What are the chaps from Hereford up to at the moment? Hopefully we can steer clear of passive aggressive behaviour on this thread and have some open discussions and be direct with questioning The virus is still in The early stages of research ,little is known , governments are releasing little information , some members of the public are concerned more than others and may speculate to fill in the gaps , at this present time everyone is free to have ideas from the little information we can gather ?we are on an art forum ? Which usually attracts openness and free thinkers and individuals with an imagination ? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 19, 2020 14:05:43 GMT 1, Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital.
I have little doubt the Prime minister was put in intensive care, albeit only on O², so that they could guarantee 24 hour monitoring. Covid19 patients can crash very quickly and no consultant would want the PMs death on his or her watch.
Watch again the footage of his speech after he came out of hospital and judge for yourself the health of his lungs!
Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital. I have little doubt the Prime minister was put in intensive care, albeit only on O², so that they could guarantee 24 hour monitoring. Covid19 patients can crash very quickly and no consultant would want the PMs death on his or her watch. Watch again the footage of his speech after he came out of hospital and judge for yourself the health of his lungs! |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by J0NNY on Apr 19, 2020 14:22:37 GMT 1, I’ve been trying to buy flour for over a month now, without success. Clearly no one in government has the same problem. Their ineptitude at every single level is beyond staggering. 
I dunno what the problem is with this one? People are baking, that’s why there’s no flour???
I’ve been trying to buy flour for over a month now, without success. Clearly no one in government has the same problem. Their ineptitude at every single level is beyond staggering. I dunno what the problem is with this one? People are baking, that’s why there’s no flour??? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Apr 19, 2020 14:37:48 GMT 1, Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital. I have little doubt the Prime minister was put in intensive care, albeit only on O², so that they could guarantee 24 hour monitoring. Covid19 patients can crash very quickly and no consultant would want the PMs death on his or her watch. Watch again the footage of his speech after he came out of hospital and judge for yourself the health of his lungs!
Thanks for posting this. I reckon Johnson is about to do a Cameron and just walk away. He's hardly been at work since he became Prime Minister so some might say it would make little difference. Its also been noted by a senior medic at St Thomas's hospital that Johnson was only ever in Intensive Care because he was the Prime Minister and since he only required minimum oxygen to help overcome the virus it wasn't necessary for him to be there. He added that to broadcast to the world that any person, let alone the Prime Minister, in Intensive Care was in 'high spirits' was completely disingenuous and sent out the wrong message about the severity of the disease as well as the severity of illness necessary to be admitted into Intensive care. He closed his statement saying that people leave ICU in wheelchairs and take up to a year to recover, they do not go for walks in the grounds of their country estates the day after leaving the hospital. I have little doubt the Prime minister was put in intensive care, albeit only on O², so that they could guarantee 24 hour monitoring. Covid19 patients can crash very quickly and no consultant would want the PMs death on his or her watch. Watch again the footage of his speech after he came out of hospital and judge for yourself the health of his lungs! Yes my family and friends that are currently, and thankfully in recovery from Covid19 were also very wheezy and weak during their recovery but they didn't get admitted to hospital on advice from 111 despite not being able to breathe properly, drink water or stand up to even get to the toilet. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 19, 2020 15:36:15 GMT 1, Boris Johnson has private medical care insurance. Just saying...
There's no private A&E or intensive care in the UK. Seen a private ward at the Radcliffe many moons ago. They might have deployed a few 'hands on' nurses to keep Boris entertained!
Boris Johnson has private medical care insurance. Just saying... There's no private A&E or intensive care in the UK. Seen a private ward at the Radcliffe many moons ago. They might have deployed a few 'hands on' nurses to keep Boris entertained! |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 19, 2020 17:03:39 GMT 1, There's no private A&E or intensive care in the UK. Seen a private ward at the Radcliffe many moons ago. They might have deployed a few 'hands on' nurses to keep Boris entertained! Sorry, I was aware of that (after my mother suffered a heart attack during routine private surgery to remove a hernia and had to be immediately moved to an NHS hospital) and should have expanded. What I was trying to say was that given his condition didn’t actually require ICU, surely he could have received adequate treatment privately outside of the NHS. Though of course that wouldn’t have allowed Murdoch and the Barclay brothers to lionise him quite so much...
Could just imagine Boris standing on the steps of a plush private hospital, waving at the adoring crowds, as if he were a royal welcoming their first child.
There's no private A&E or intensive care in the UK. Seen a private ward at the Radcliffe many moons ago. They might have deployed a few 'hands on' nurses to keep Boris entertained! Sorry, I was aware of that (after my mother suffered a heart attack during routine private surgery to remove a hernia and had to be immediately moved to an NHS hospital) and should have expanded. What I was trying to say was that given his condition didn’t actually require ICU, surely he could have received adequate treatment privately outside of the NHS. Though of course that wouldn’t have allowed Murdoch and the Barclay brothers to lionise him quite so much... Could just imagine Boris standing on the steps of a plush private hospital, waving at the adoring crowds, as if he were a royal welcoming their first child. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Apr 19, 2020 17:05:09 GMT 1, Yes my family and friends that are currently, and thankfully in recovery from Covid19 were also very wheezy and weak during their recovery but they didn't get admitted to hospital on advice from 111 despite not being able to breathe properly, drink water or stand up to even get to the toilet. Nor did two people I knew who are now dead.
Yes my family and friends that are currently, and thankfully in recovery from Covid19 were also very wheezy and weak during their recovery but they didn't get admitted to hospital on advice from 111 despite not being able to breathe properly, drink water or stand up to even get to the toilet. Nor did two people I knew who are now dead. So sorry to hear that gun. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 19, 2020 17:06:08 GMT 1, Question time today on news marking Down deaths ,
This would be a false reading as deaths are only reported if occurred and tested prior to hospital Visit
The longer this proceeds the more people would be unwilling to seek medical care immediately or have tests As are becoming scared of visiting hospitals as not sure they have the virus and many think they will be infected if step inside a hospital
The way the deaths are recorded and at least 60 % of the populations needs testing not .5% to get a clearer picture
Also other deaths are happening not just linked to lung incapacity from covid 19
Question time today on news marking Down deaths ,
This would be a false reading as deaths are only reported if occurred and tested prior to hospital Visit
The longer this proceeds the more people would be unwilling to seek medical care immediately or have tests As are becoming scared of visiting hospitals as not sure they have the virus and many think they will be infected if step inside a hospital
The way the deaths are recorded and at least 60 % of the populations needs testing not .5% to get a clearer picture
Also other deaths are happening not just linked to lung incapacity from covid 19
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