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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by tab1 on Aug 29, 2020 19:44:52 GMT 1, What is the price on these ? £90k? 90k for maybe the left part - silly boy ! I am asking ? What is your quote ,cheeky boy!
What is the price on these ? £90k? 90k for maybe the left part - silly boy ! I am asking ? What is your quote ,cheeky boy!
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by chefd on Aug 29, 2020 20:34:36 GMT 1, 90k for maybe the left part - silly boy ! I am asking ? What is your quote ,cheeky boy! £150,000
But I am biased...
90k for maybe the left part - silly boy ! I am asking ? What is your quote ,cheeky boy! £150,000 But I am biased...
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Fish on Aug 29, 2020 20:42:08 GMT 1, lovely to see the framed , i get mine back framed on the 9th, i have gone for the gold fancy frames without the central oval. i will post a pic once complete
lovely to see the framed , i get mine back framed on the 9th, i have gone for the gold fancy frames without the central oval. i will post a pic once complete
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by 123456789 on Aug 29, 2020 20:55:02 GMT 1, Thanks for the suggestion Here is a close look, I like the different colours as it is. The important thing is that you like, it's your Banksy Here is effect with the gold leaf technique I was talking about True that looks also pretty cool. I think in general its pretty hard which way you should go because on the wall it looks so different.
The frames look similar in the first picture but when u stand before you notice they are quite different, maybe not different enough for one. Thats why I dont mind the simple gold matt. But sure its all subjective.
Thanks for the suggestion Here is a close look, I like the different colours as it is. The important thing is that you like, it's your Banksy Here is effect with the gold leaf technique I was talking about True that looks also pretty cool. I think in general its pretty hard which way you should go because on the wall it looks so different. The frames look similar in the first picture but when u stand before you notice they are quite different, maybe not different enough for one. Thats why I dont mind the simple gold matt. But sure its all subjective.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by atom on Aug 29, 2020 20:58:32 GMT 1, Blacked out box frame float mounted for me
Blacked out box frame float mounted for me
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by iamzero on Aug 29, 2020 21:04:05 GMT 1, Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision.
Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Aza on Aug 29, 2020 21:08:39 GMT 1, I think it looks pretty good, but yeah I would be scared with the oval mount, even though it may look better.
Can you show a wider view photo? Would be interested in seeing it in the context of a room
I think it looks pretty good, but yeah I would be scared with the oval mount, even though it may look better. Can you show a wider view photo? Would be interested in seeing it in the context of a room
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Aza on Aug 29, 2020 21:09:29 GMT 1, The issue with mounts and wider frames is you might not then be able to hang them near enough to each other, and he’ll look like he has oddly long arms! 😂 Good point!
The issue with mounts and wider frames is you might not then be able to hang them near enough to each other, and he’ll look like he has oddly long arms! 😂 Good point!
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by 123456789 on Aug 29, 2020 21:18:50 GMT 1, Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision.
Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean?
Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision. Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean?
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by FЯ on Aug 29, 2020 21:21:49 GMT 1, Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision.
people also get tied up with using god awful ornate frames for banksy work.
they look good in banksy settings as they are intended to be kitsch and ironic and part of the show. Not hanging like that in your semi detached next to your ikea floating shelves. He also has alot of these prints to fuck about with and mess up - you don’t have that luxury.
Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision. people also get tied up with using god awful ornate frames for banksy work. they look good in banksy settings as they are intended to be kitsch and ironic and part of the show. Not hanging like that in your semi detached next to your ikea floating shelves. He also has alot of these prints to fuck about with and mess up - you don’t have that luxury.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by FЯ on Aug 29, 2020 21:32:49 GMT 1, people also get tied up with using god awful ornate frames for banksy work. they look good in banksy settings as they are intended to be kitsch and ironic and part of the show. Not hanging like that in your semi detached next to your ikea floating shelves. He also has alot of these prints to fuck about with and mess up - you don’t have that luxury. I entirely agree with you. I can’t remember a single example that, to my taste, works well. However in this case i would make an exception, if they were mine, and I think they do work well as part of the ensemble in the example here. I will be interested to see the first example of them framed in ‘cleaner’ frames of course. Edit: having said that, I noticed that in your recent framing of your restored poster, you decided to ‘inject’ a little something extra into the framing by adding some splatters to the mat. Respectfully, I find that equally if not more disappointing than an overly fussy frame. But each to their own. depends on who did the splattering 🙂
people also get tied up with using god awful ornate frames for banksy work. they look good in banksy settings as they are intended to be kitsch and ironic and part of the show. Not hanging like that in your semi detached next to your ikea floating shelves. He also has alot of these prints to fuck about with and mess up - you don’t have that luxury. I entirely agree with you. I can’t remember a single example that, to my taste, works well. However in this case i would make an exception, if they were mine, and I think they do work well as part of the ensemble in the example here. I will be interested to see the first example of them framed in ‘cleaner’ frames of course. Edit: having said that, I noticed that in your recent framing of your restored poster, you decided to ‘inject’ a little something extra into the framing by adding some splatters to the mat. Respectfully, I find that equally if not more disappointing than an overly fussy frame. But each to their own. depends on who did the splattering 🙂
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 21:47:34 GMT 1, Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision. Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean?
The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print.
Are you not concerned about the implications that oval matting might have toward the artwork? Perhaps you considered the risk that it poses and just though fuck it I’m just gonna enjoy the way it looks and not care. Personally I would’ve played the more cautious game when it comes to the investment side over the aesthetics... but I’m not a gambling person. I have to applaud your balls in such a decision. Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean? The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 21:50:33 GMT 1, I entirely agree with you. I can’t remember a single example that, to my taste, works well. However in this case i would make an exception, if they were mine, and I think they do work well as part of the ensemble in the example here. I will be interested to see the first example of them framed in ‘cleaner’ frames of course. Edit: having said that, I noticed that in your recent framing of your restored poster, you decided to ‘inject’ a little something extra into the framing by adding some splatters to the mat. Respectfully, I find that equally if not more disappointing than an overly fussy frame. But each to their own. depends on who did the splattering 🙂
Mark at pfg presumably?
I entirely agree with you. I can’t remember a single example that, to my taste, works well. However in this case i would make an exception, if they were mine, and I think they do work well as part of the ensemble in the example here. I will be interested to see the first example of them framed in ‘cleaner’ frames of course. Edit: having said that, I noticed that in your recent framing of your restored poster, you decided to ‘inject’ a little something extra into the framing by adding some splatters to the mat. Respectfully, I find that equally if not more disappointing than an overly fussy frame. But each to their own. depends on who did the splattering 🙂 Mark at pfg presumably?
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by FЯ on Aug 29, 2020 21:53:54 GMT 1, depends on who did the splattering 🙂 Mark at pfg presumably?
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depends on who did the splattering 🙂 Mark at pfg presumably? ❌
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 21:56:37 GMT 1,
Ryca?
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by iamzero on Aug 29, 2020 22:21:41 GMT 1, Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean? The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print.
Exactly as Coach says. But light is not the only thing that damages the paper. It will oxidise over time as seen in the Rat prints that have had conservation mats placed over the edges causing uneven discolouration of the paper. The mount doesn’t cause this but it happens naturally over time but I’m sure your professional framer told you this. I’m only a casual framer but nevertheless I do my homework.
Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean? The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. Exactly as Coach says. But light is not the only thing that damages the paper. It will oxidise over time as seen in the Rat prints that have had conservation mats placed over the edges causing uneven discolouration of the paper. The mount doesn’t cause this but it happens naturally over time but I’m sure your professional framer told you this. I’m only a casual framer but nevertheless I do my homework.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by jnschicago on Aug 29, 2020 22:22:01 GMT 1, Is it possible to create a free version of this (i.e. 3 prints in 3 separate frames) using the hi-res download at gdp.com? Or, does that file essentially give you a "poster" with all 3 images inside "mock" frames on one sheet?
Is it possible to create a free version of this (i.e. 3 prints in 3 separate frames) using the hi-res download at gdp.com? Or, does that file essentially give you a "poster" with all 3 images inside "mock" frames on one sheet?
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by 123456789 on Aug 29, 2020 22:24:04 GMT 1, Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean? The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print.
for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room.
Framer assured me the acid free passepartout will not damage the art. he uses it for expansive art all the time. Nevertheless what implications do you mean? The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by Amber Halo on Aug 29, 2020 22:44:29 GMT 1, The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room. Sun bleaching would be my main concern, really no way around that even with top of the line materials (unless in a super dark room -- and who wants that with such show piece?). It's why if I were lucky enough to win the Thrower I would (somewhat sadly) not feel I had the luxury to frame like Banksy did. I'd frame it sans any mounts or covering, either floated or frame mounted to the edge (all black framing). Would not look as cool as Mr B's but still would be a badass piece and you would not see the bleaching in 8-10 years if/when it's unframed.
The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room. Sun bleaching would be my main concern, really no way around that even with top of the line materials (unless in a super dark room -- and who wants that with such show piece?). It's why if I were lucky enough to win the Thrower I would (somewhat sadly) not feel I had the luxury to frame like Banksy did. I'd frame it sans any mounts or covering, either floated or frame mounted to the edge (all black framing). Would not look as cool as Mr B's but still would be a badass piece and you would not see the bleaching in 8-10 years if/when it's unframed.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by iamzero on Aug 29, 2020 23:08:13 GMT 1, Acid free board and not cotton rag on something of this value?
Acid free board and not cotton rag on something of this value?
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by 123456789 on Aug 29, 2020 23:13:35 GMT 1, Acid free board and not cotton rag on something of this value?
not sure, good point will ask framer.
Acid free board and not cotton rag on something of this value? not sure, good point will ask framer.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by iamzero on Aug 29, 2020 23:21:00 GMT 1, To be clear there are even quality differences in acid free board. The buffering, backing papers etc. Not trying to ‘shitcan’ anyone but sometimes framers however long they’ve been framIng do not know it all. Ask which board. Ask which tape they used? Ask which glass they used? What backing board? What tape did they seal the back with? Like mentioned this is possible a £200k piece of art... if it cost £5k to frame it to a high standard then so be it.
To be clear there are even quality differences in acid free board. The buffering, backing papers etc. Not trying to ‘shitcan’ anyone but sometimes framers however long they’ve been framIng do not know it all. Ask which board. Ask which tape they used? Ask which glass they used? What backing board? What tape did they seal the back with? Like mentioned this is possible a £200k piece of art... if it cost £5k to frame it to a high standard then so be it.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 0:08:27 GMT 1, The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room.
Focusing solely on potential light damage, you've already indicated 99% protection is not 100%. Consider the possible impact of the remaining 1%. Not over weeks or months, but cumulatively over years.
There's an important separate issue which many (including many framers) don't seem to appreciate:
That 99% protection offered by your glazing relates to UV light, and UV light only. It will not protect against damage that may be caused by visible light — which is also harmful, albeit to a lesser degree.
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Aesthetics aside, this is one reason why a significant number of seasoned collectors choose to float mount their works on paper.
If they actually wish to hang their art and be able to see it daily (as opposed to storing it in darkness), they cannot prevent at least some light damage from happening. But what they can do by float mounting is ensure that any light-related bleaching or fading occurs evenly, across the entire surface of the relevant piece — and therefore less noticeably.
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The point here is simply to ensure you've factored in and thought through all of the variables.
To state the blindingly obvious, if only for the sake of emphasis, an artwork like yours has a financial value that would be life-changing for the vast majority of the population. And so it would be regrettable if, say, in a decade's time, you were to look under the matt, only to find that a prominent oval shape had become distractingly visible on your prized collectible.
Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level*, or merely conservation level*).
The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room. Focusing solely on potential light damage, you've already indicated 99% protection is not 100%. Consider the possible impact of the remaining 1%. Not over weeks or months, but cumulatively over years. There's an important separate issue which many (including many framers) don't seem to appreciate: That 99% protection offered by your glazing relates to UV light, and UV light only. It will not protect against damage that may be caused by visible light — which is also harmful, albeit to a lesser degree. __________ Aesthetics aside, this is one reason why a significant number of seasoned collectors choose to float mount their works on paper. If they actually wish to hang their art and be able to see it daily (as opposed to storing it in darkness), they cannot prevent at least some light damage from happening. But what they can do by float mounting is ensure that any light-related bleaching or fading occurs evenly, across the entire surface of the relevant piece — and therefore less noticeably. __________ The point here is simply to ensure you've factored in and thought through all of the variables. To state the blindingly obvious, if only for the sake of emphasis, an artwork like yours has a financial value that would be life-changing for the vast majority of the population. And so it would be regrettable if, say, in a decade's time, you were to look under the matt, only to find that a prominent oval shape had become distractingly visible on your prized collectible. Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *).
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by lee3 on Aug 30, 2020 0:34:29 GMT 1, As a counter point regarding many of the cautious warnings the past few pages, enjoy it the way you want. You'll easily be able to sell it in the years ahead if needs must for 90% of whatever recent auction prices achieve. No need to be greedy and no need to over worry as life is too short. With an edition of just 300 and the proverbial line around the corner, frame it to the owners satisfaction and enjoy. If you choose to frame to archival with a matte, then the next owner whether 2 or 50 years from now, is going to have to frame with a matte too. I like the 12345 frame job previous pages and appreciate them sharing. If in their shoes, I would look to frame with an oval a la walled off as well.
That signed Girl With Balloon coming next month at sotheby's has a touch of matte burn and I don't think that seller will be harmed one bit.
As a counter point regarding many of the cautious warnings the past few pages, enjoy it the way you want. You'll easily be able to sell it in the years ahead if needs must for 90% of whatever recent auction prices achieve. No need to be greedy and no need to over worry as life is too short. With an edition of just 300 and the proverbial line around the corner, frame it to the owners satisfaction and enjoy. If you choose to frame to archival with a matte, then the next owner whether 2 or 50 years from now, is going to have to frame with a matte too. I like the 12345 frame job previous pages and appreciate them sharing. If in their shoes, I would look to frame with an oval a la walled off as well.
That signed Girl With Balloon coming next month at sotheby's has a touch of matte burn and I don't think that seller will be harmed one bit.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by 123456789 on Aug 30, 2020 0:58:32 GMT 1, Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey.
I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary.
Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey. I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by nameless on Aug 30, 2020 1:09:02 GMT 1, Hello! I absolutely need to know where to go in Italy to frame my thrower, I want the best for him, also I would like to know how long it can stay closed in its packaging, thanks.
Hello! I absolutely need to know where to go in Italy to frame my thrower, I want the best for him, also I would like to know how long it can stay closed in its packaging, thanks.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 2:17:39 GMT 1, Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *). This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing?
The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing:
It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.
The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets.
In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing.
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My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means.
With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future.
When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them.
A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do.
Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them.
Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *). This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing? The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing: It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets. In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing. __________ My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means. With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future. When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them. A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do. Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them.
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by acaipride on Aug 30, 2020 2:33:04 GMT 1, This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing? The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing: It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets. In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing. __________ My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means. With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future. When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them. A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do. Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them. i'll mention it one more time.. seek an archival specialist at your MoMa, they are levels above any top framer mentioned on here. See my previous posts on this subject
This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing? The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing: It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets. In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing. __________ My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means. With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future. When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them. A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do. Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them. i'll mention it one more time.. seek an archival specialist at your MoMa, they are levels above any top framer mentioned on here. See my previous posts on this subject
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Banksy™ Thrower Prints Set, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 5:16:39 GMT 1, Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey. I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary.
Out of interest, which specific points in previous comments are you referring to? And query if it was suggested they were absolutely necessary.
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I only read a handful of the more recent posts, covering conservation. These were to be expected given the value of your piece. But if one took an extreme approach, it would amount to the work pretty much being kept out of sight — in a hermetically-sealed, temperature and humidity-controlled black box.
And so, most people (being those who wish to hang and look at their art) will always have to accept some tradeoff between (a) conservation and (b) presentation.
The sheet you posted does offer basic conservation tips, much of it being common sense. But its priority is the presentation of Banksy's Thrower print.
That's clear from the obsessively-detailed assembly instructions (with their precise measurements, to the millimetre) and parts of the text itself, e.g. "The artist has some quite particular ideas about how it's best displayed." and "Do not store indefinitely in a dark place hoping it will increase in value [...] - for display purposes only."
Had Banksy's key concern been conservation, he would never for example have put such emphasis on an oval-shaped mount.
Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey. I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary. Out of interest, which specific points in previous comments are you referring to? And query if it was suggested they were absolutely necessary. __________ I only read a handful of the more recent posts, covering conservation. These were to be expected given the value of your piece. But if one took an extreme approach, it would amount to the work pretty much being kept out of sight — in a hermetically-sealed, temperature and humidity-controlled black box. And so, most people (being those who wish to hang and look at their art) will always have to accept some tradeoff between (a) conservation and (b) presentation. The sheet you posted does offer basic conservation tips, much of it being common sense. But its priority is the presentation of Ban ksy's Thrower print. That's clear from the obsessively-detailed assembly instructions (with their precise measurements, to the millimetre) and parts of the text itself, e.g. "The artist has some quite particular ideas about how it's best displayed." and "Do not store indefinitely in a dark place hoping it will increase in value [...] - for display purposes only."Had Ban ksy's key concern been conservation, he would never for example have put such emphasis on an oval-shaped mount.
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