whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 1:30:19 GMT 1, hey all, dropped my Banksquiat off yesterday but want to make sure i am 100% on how i am handling as this is not only my first Banksy, but my first piece ever.
1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice.
2. i went with museum quality glass with UV protection and anti-reflective properties.
3. how do i know/is this fully conservation/archival?
this set me back ~$1,000.
i am kinda worried at this point that i may have jumped the gun. NOT that i had a bad experience at all, quite the opposite. just unsure if i am making the right/informed choices.
thank you!
hey all, dropped my Banksquiat off yesterday but want to make sure i am 100% on how i am handling as this is not only my first Banksy, but my first piece ever.
1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice.
2. i went with museum quality glass with UV protection and anti-reflective properties.
3. how do i know/is this fully conservation/archival?
this set me back ~$1,000.
i am kinda worried at this point that i may have jumped the gun. NOT that i had a bad experience at all, quite the opposite. just unsure if i am making the right/informed choices.
thank you!
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bbperez1
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by bbperez1 on Mar 9, 2020 1:48:50 GMT 1, Where did you take it to get framed?
Where are you located?
Where did you take it to get framed?
Where are you located?
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whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 2:20:27 GMT 1, Where did you take it to get framed? Where are you located?
Where did you take it to get framed? Where are you located? i'm in NY. |
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JL Broooks
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by JL Broooks on Mar 9, 2020 2:33:57 GMT 1, Use the power of the forum. Ask for a good NY framer in here, if there is one place there has to be a good one, itโs NY. From your story it all sounds good, except the thing about the tape. If your framer doesnโt know about non-adhesive / fully reversible hinges (that be the โtapeโ) Iโm a bit worried.
Use the power of the forum. Ask for a good NY framer in here, if there is one place there has to be a good one, itโs NY. From your story it all sounds good, except the thing about the tape. If your framer doesnโt know about non-adhesive / fully reversible hinges (that be the โtapeโ) Iโm a bit worried.
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ruby
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by ruby on Mar 9, 2020 2:41:20 GMT 1, For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks...
For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks...
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by zacksz 123123 on Mar 9, 2020 2:48:07 GMT 1, Wademaxx is the best
They have locations in Manhattan and New Jersey, just check out their IG to see the bangers they frame daily
They can do the highest conservation standards and whatever else you want
Wademaxx is the best
They have locations in Manhattan and New Jersey, just check out their IG to see the bangers they frame daily
They can do the highest conservation standards and whatever else you want
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Pipes
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Pipes on Mar 9, 2020 2:50:30 GMT 1, Where did you take it to get framed? Where are you located? i'm in NY.
alvarezconservation.com
They are paper conservation specialist so I would think better than most standard framers
alvarezconservation.com/other-services
Archival framing.
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whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 3:08:38 GMT 1, pm'd you.
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Pipes
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Pipes on Mar 9, 2020 3:17:12 GMT 1,
PMโd you back
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Adam The Collector on Mar 9, 2020 3:20:55 GMT 1, Get your Banksy back before it is mishandled by the framer you left the print with. Fingers crossed there will be no mandated fees but better than your print being damaged. Take the advice above with framers.
Get your Banksy back before it is mishandled by the framer you left the print with. Fingers crossed there will be no mandated fees but better than your print being damaged. Take the advice above with framers.
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whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 3:38:29 GMT 1, Get your Banksy back before it is mishandled by the framer you left the print with. Fingers crossed there will be no mandated fees but better than your print being damaged. Take the advice above with framers.
Get your Banksy back before it is mishandled by the framer you left the print with. Fingers crossed there will be no mandated fees but better than your print being damaged. Take the advice above with framers. to be fair, the framer i left it with came highly recommended. |
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bbperez1
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by bbperez1 on Mar 9, 2020 4:20:35 GMT 1, Use the power of the forum. Ask for a good NY framer in here, if there is one place there has to be a good one, itโs NY. From your story it all sounds good, except the thing about the tape. If your framer doesnโt know about non-adhesive / fully reversible hinges (that be the โtapeโ) Iโm a bit worried.
Thatโs exactly my first impression, too.
Use the power of the forum. Ask for a good NY framer in here, if there is one place there has to be a good one, itโs NY. From your story it all sounds good, except the thing about the tape. If your framer doesnโt know about non-adhesive / fully reversible hinges (that be the โtapeโ) Iโm a bit worried. Thatโs exactly my first impression, too. |
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bbperez1
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by bbperez1 on Mar 9, 2020 4:23:35 GMT 1, Where did you take it to get framed? Where are you located? i'm in NY.
Just go to wademaxx
+1 (212) 799-6771
Where did you take it to get framed? Where are you located? i'm in NY. Just go to wademaxx +1 (212) 799-6771 |
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bbperez1
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by bbperez1 on Mar 9, 2020 5:03:47 GMT 1, Just go to wademaxx +1 (212) 799-6771 bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez)
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Just go to wademaxx +1 (212) 799-6771 bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez) ๐ป |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 5:06:42 GMT 1, bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez) ๐ป
symphony no.25 in G minor?
bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez) ๐ป symphony no.25 in G minor? |
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d.r. perseus
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by d.r. perseus on Mar 9, 2020 6:57:18 GMT 1, That price doesnโt seem right. For whatever reason that absurd price makes me think run for the hills.
That price doesnโt seem right. For whatever reason that absurd price makes me think run for the hills.
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by rjf76 on Mar 9, 2020 8:17:17 GMT 1, The price does seem high...I had similar size piece framed at Darbyshire (UK) and that was ยฃ500 Inc VAT. This was roughly same spec.
The price does seem high...I had similar size piece framed at Darbyshire (UK) and that was ยฃ500 Inc VAT. This was roughly same spec.
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by stuckeyc on Mar 9, 2020 10:31:02 GMT 1, I think rooq is pretty well respected. I know that the banksy I have was framed there and pretty sure they did the Difaced tenners for bottleneck last year
I think rooq is pretty well respected. I know that the banksy I have was framed there and pretty sure they did the Difaced tenners for bottleneck last year
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by rinz on Mar 9, 2020 10:47:01 GMT 1, 1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice.
Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat?
And should you worry about the discolour?
1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice. Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat? And should you worry about the discolour? |
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NYart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by NYart on Mar 9, 2020 10:52:42 GMT 1, 1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice. Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat?ย And should you worry about the discolour?ย
Even with a mat you still need archival corners or tape, otherwise the print will slide. Yes discoloration is damage, and value loss.
1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice. Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat?ย And should you worry about the discolour?ย Even with a mat you still need archival corners or tape, otherwise the print will slide. Yes discoloration is damage, and value loss. |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 9, 2020 10:55:03 GMT 1, 1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice. Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat?ย And should you worry about the discolour?ย
Yes, by using lineco strips or corners that are attached to the mount board.
As the prints are black, I highly doubt there would be any mat burn, but I would always use anti uv glass/acrylic on expensive prints.
1. i went with mat as the framer told me that tape needs to be used with floating. that said, i am worried about potential discoloration down the line and i'm not sure if i made the right choice. Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat?ย And should you worry about the discolour?ย Yes, by using lineco strips or corners that are attached to the mount board. As the prints are black, I highly doubt there would be any mat burn, but I would always use anti uv glass/acrylic on expensive prints. |
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rinz
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by rinz on Mar 9, 2020 11:02:49 GMT 1, Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat? And should you worry about the discolour? Even with a mat you still need archival corners or tape, otherwise the print will slide. Yes discoloration is damage, and value loss.
Is there a huge risk of discolour?
Seems like its either use a mat and get discolour - or use no mat and get tapemarks  (if you don't have that japanese stuff)
Can anyone answer this? Can you frame it without tape, if you use a mat? And should you worry about the discolour? Even with a mat you still need archival corners or tape, otherwise the print will slide. Yes discoloration is damage, and value loss. Is there a huge risk of discolour? Seems like its either use a mat and get discolour - or use no mat and get tapemarks (if you don't have that japanese stuff) |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by iamzero on Mar 9, 2020 11:41:51 GMT 1, I would prefer the minimal damage that the use of correct tape would cause than putting a window mount over it.
I would prefer the minimal damage that the use of correct tape would cause than putting a window mount over it.
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whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 11:52:17 GMT 1, I would prefer the minimal damage that the use of correct tape would cause than putting a window mount over it.
I would prefer the minimal damage that the use of correct tape would cause than putting a window mount over it. i think my question is whether tape needs to be used at all. from what i have read, hinges and paste can be used to eliminate the use of tape at all. |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by iamzero on Mar 9, 2020 11:59:44 GMT 1, Thatโs what I meant by the correct tape. Japanese mulberry tape and wheat paste hinges have been used for centuries. There are also modern cellulose mixes that are good too. I use Hayaku hinges on nearly everything but there is a strong case for P90 in exception... not on this though.
Thatโs what I meant by the correct tape. Japanese mulberry tape and wheat paste hinges have been used for centuries. There are also modern cellulose mixes that are good too. I use Hayaku hinges on nearly everything but there is a strong case for P90 in exception... not on this though.
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by Fantasmes on Mar 9, 2020 12:04:45 GMT 1, For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks...
OP, this place sounds like a no-brainer if itโs close enough to to you, not that others recommended canโt do the job well.
If you stick with the framer youโre using, do not hesitate to write down your questions and concerns then pick up the phone/go back in and ask. Trust your gut, and the forum.
For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks... OP, this place sounds like a no-brainer if itโs close enough to to you, not that others recommended canโt do the job well. If you stick with the framer youโre using, do not hesitate to write down your questions and concerns then pick up the phone/go back in and ask. Trust your gut, and the forum. |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by zacksz 123123 on Mar 9, 2020 12:48:01 GMT 1, Just go to wademaxx +1 (212) 799-6771 bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez)
Sadly wademaxx has been framing long before urban art became so popular.
They also do a ton of work for galleries and artists as well.
Always top notch framer
Just go to wademaxx +1 (212) 799-6771 bperez really?wademax? for a museum archival job? OP please don't do that, you would be only feeding the IG Hype(classy bperez) Sadly wademaxx has been framing long before urban art became so popular. They also do a ton of work for galleries and artists as well. Always top notch framer |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by cest on Mar 9, 2020 12:57:43 GMT 1, Urgent
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whatisart
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by whatisart on Mar 9, 2020 14:10:00 GMT 1, For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks... OP, this place sounds like a no-brainer if itโs close enough to to you, not that others recommended canโt do the job well. If you stick with the framer youโre using, do not hesitate to write down your questions and concerns then pick up the phone/go back in and ask. Trust your gut, and the forum.
Thanks. Interestingly this framer was recommended by many on the forum but a few have reached out and rescinded their recommendations
For anything important, I like Bark Frameworks in Long Island City. Their First rule to framing anything is โdo no harmโ. Their work is trusted by the likes of the Whitney, blue chip artists, etc etc. Not that much more expensive than your local neighborhood framer for simple jobs, but you can sleep easier leaving it with them. Takes them a bit longer than most tho - like 4 weeks... OP, this place sounds like a no-brainer if itโs close enough to to you, not that others recommended canโt do the job well. If you stick with the framer youโre using, do not hesitate to write down your questions and concerns then pick up the phone/go back in and ask. Trust your gut, and the forum. Thanks. Interestingly this framer was recommended by many on the forum but a few have reached out and rescinded their recommendations |
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Getting my Banksquiat framed. Some urgent questions..., by trap door on Mar 9, 2020 14:30:05 GMT 1, Take your time mate, you only need to frame it once.
Your first quote does sound steep, about 40% more than you should expect to be paying in a major city. Some framers might charge more for security or figure somebody with this kind of asset can pay but even for NYC thatโs a lot.
The black textured card Banksquiat is printed on is unlikely to be as acid free as any regular conservation quality mountcard anyway (being black). Mount bleed (orangey halo over time) shouldnโt be an issue either but obviously a 99% UV screening glass or Perspex is a must to stop the exposed image fading or discolouring. The anti glare element will look heaps better on this dark paper so I would opt in for that.
Wet paste of any kind may cockle the paper even minimally and I really donโt see any point in floating this, the edge is clean cut and youโll only have to put far more tabs all around the back of the art. A simple hinge at the top only would be a low impact safe bet. Easily removed by a paper restorer (in the eventuality of selling it on).
Excited for you, enjoy it when itโs home.
Take your time mate, you only need to frame it once.
Your first quote does sound steep, about 40% more than you should expect to be paying in a major city. Some framers might charge more for security or figure somebody with this kind of asset can pay but even for NYC thatโs a lot.
The black textured card Banksquiat is printed on is unlikely to be as acid free as any regular conservation quality mountcard anyway (being black). Mount bleed (orangey halo over time) shouldnโt be an issue either but obviously a 99% UV screening glass or Perspex is a must to stop the exposed image fading or discolouring. The anti glare element will look heaps better on this dark paper so I would opt in for that.
Wet paste of any kind may cockle the paper even minimally and I really donโt see any point in floating this, the edge is clean cut and youโll only have to put far more tabs all around the back of the art. A simple hinge at the top only would be a low impact safe bet. Easily removed by a paper restorer (in the eventuality of selling it on).
Excited for you, enjoy it when itโs home.
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