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Provenance advice/ help, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 9:22:05 GMT 1, Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated.
I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong.
My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist.
I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed.
I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible.
I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying.
This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags.
Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls.
Thanks
Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated.
I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong.
My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist.
I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed.
I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible.
I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying.
This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags.
Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls.
Thanks
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Provenance advice/ help, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jul 31, 2020 9:29:42 GMT 1, Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong. My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist. I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed. I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible. I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying. This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags. Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls. Thanks
Sounds well dodgy to me. It sounds like they will have all the provenance to make some nice fakes.
If they've seen all the proof of ownership, then any files shouldn't be sent until you have your monies.
My guess is the second you send those files, you won't hear from them again.
Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong. My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist. I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed. I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible. I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying. This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags. Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls. Thanks Sounds well dodgy to me. It sounds like they will have all the provenance to make some nice fakes. If they've seen all the proof of ownership, then any files shouldn't be sent until you have your monies. My guess is the second you send those files, you won't hear from them again. |
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Provenance advice/ help, by John The Badgers on Jul 31, 2020 11:18:02 GMT 1, I'm with Terryfuckwitt, why would someone require you to send all these (and keep), when you have offered screen shots/zoom etc.
If they are genuine, don't see this request necessary as a condition of sale?
Warning signs right there I reckon.
I'm with Terryfuckwitt, why would someone require you to send all these (and keep), when you have offered screen shots/zoom etc.
If they are genuine, don't see this request necessary as a condition of sale?
Warning signs right there I reckon.
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Dive Jedi
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Provenance advice/ help, by Dive Jedi on Jul 31, 2020 11:39:15 GMT 1, Yeah....
When I was selling a Soup Can poster here on the forum
I was asked to send over my email notification from purchase.
Never heard from the guy again.....
Probably still selling fakes with my order# right now.....
Or he got hit by a bus the next day.... who knows.
When they require this much info, they are likely to use it to sell fakes.
Or they just don't trust you, which means no evidence will be enough to fix that.
Sounds like you gone out of your way to supply information already.
Yeah....
When I was selling a Soup Can poster here on the forum
I was asked to send over my email notification from purchase.
Never heard from the guy again.....
Probably still selling fakes with my order# right now.....
Or he got hit by a bus the next day.... who knows.
When they require this much info, they are likely to use it to sell fakes.
Or they just don't trust you, which means no evidence will be enough to fix that.
Sounds like you gone out of your way to supply information already.
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samfrost
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Provenance advice/ help, by samfrost on Jul 31, 2020 12:00:22 GMT 1, Seems suspect and dodgy. Trust your instincts.
With Soup Cans posters, best provenance is having tube, POW return label and a postage date. Also, possible to fake, but requires some serious effort.
Seems suspect and dodgy. Trust your instincts.
With Soup Cans posters, best provenance is having tube, POW return label and a postage date. Also, possible to fake, but requires some serious effort.
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Charlesworth
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Provenance advice/ help, by Charlesworth on Jul 31, 2020 12:16:31 GMT 1, can you some how water mark the photos and videos so they cant be shared?
can you some how water mark the photos and videos so they cant be shared?
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LJCal
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Provenance advice/ help, by LJCal on Jul 31, 2020 15:25:39 GMT 1, I'd walk away, not worth dealing with people you don't feel 100% comfortable with, especially if it's an international deal.
I'd walk away, not worth dealing with people you don't feel 100% comfortable with, especially if it's an international deal.
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Provenance advice/ help, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 16:26:05 GMT 1, I appreciate all the advice and responses.
Thanks guys . 🙌🏽
I appreciate all the advice and responses.
Thanks guys . 🙌🏽
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Provenance advice/ help, by pottsy11 on Jul 31, 2020 21:41:34 GMT 1, can you some how water mark the photos and videos so they cant be shared?
can you some how water mark the photos and videos so they cant be shared? Agree , a great way to go forward with this. |
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Provenance advice/ help, by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 15:06:31 GMT 1, Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong. My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist. I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed. I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible. I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying. This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags. Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls. Thanks
I won’t be selling to anyone in Hong Kong ever again.
My provenance was used to flip my art before they even bought it. Even though I didn’t supply what they wanted pre sale the little I did provide was used without my permission.
There seems to be a few newer people on here that think they are Charles Saatchi or Gordon gecko lol just remember you’re only burning yourself by doing bad business with people.
These guys now have art now with no real provenance and I’ll tell anyone that tries to contact me about it that it’s fake. The buyers have no recourse with me and i’ve refused to supply any provenance for those pieces.
IF ANYONE IS DOING A DEAL WITH ANYONE FROM HONG KONG DM ME AND I’LL LET YOU KNOW IF ITS THE SAME PEOPLE.
Happy bank holiday everyone.
Life is beautiful.
Hi guys I need some advice if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I’m in the middle of selling a few originals to a collector in Hong Kong. My provenance for the art consists of email conversations with the artist, videos and photos of the artist making the pieces as well as the pieces featuring in a promotional video for the artist. I have been asked to supply the potential buyer with all these files for him to view and keep with no guarantees of the deal being completed. I have sent lots of pictures and videos of the pieces, screenshots from the videos of the pieces being made, the promotional video and as much information as possible. I have also offered to show the potential buyer all the videos via zoom but they insist on having all the files in their possession before buying. This doesn’t feel right to me and has raised some red flags. Anyone able to advise or give your opinion pls. Thanks I won’t be selling to anyone in Hong Kong ever again. My provenance was used to flip my art before they even bought it. Even though I didn’t supply what they wanted pre sale the little I did provide was used without my permission. There seems to be a few newer people on here that think they are Charles Saatchi or Gordon gecko lol just remember you’re only burning yourself by doing bad business with people. These guys now have art now with no real provenance and I’ll tell anyone that tries to contact me about it that it’s fake. The buyers have no recourse with me and i’ve refused to supply any provenance for those pieces. IF ANYONE IS DOING A DEAL WITH ANYONE FROM HONG KONG DM ME AND I’LL LET YOU KNOW IF ITS THE SAME PEOPLE. Happy bank holiday everyone. Life is beautiful. |
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Provenance advice/ help, by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 15:36:52 GMT 1, I won’t be selling to anyone in Hong Kong ever again. My provenance was used to flip my art before they even bought it. Even though I didn’t supply what they wanted pre sale the little I did provide was used without my permission. There seems to be a few newer people on here that think they are Charles Saatchi or Gordon gecko lol just remember you’re only burning yourself by doing bad business with people. These guys now have art now with no real provenance and I’ll tell anyone that tries to contact me about it that it’s fake. The buyers have no recourse with me and i’ve refused to supply any provenance for those pieces. IF ANYONE IS DOING A DEAL WITH ANYONE FROM HONG KONG DM ME AND I’LL LET YOU KNOW IF ITS THE SAME PEOPLE. Happy bank holiday everyone. Life is beautiful. If you sold the artwork at prices that you were happy with, does it really matter? It is rude and unsustainable of course, but the net result at your end is the same no matter what they do with the artwork once it’s left you.
Yep totally matters and money isn’t everything!!!
I own a fair bit of art from the artist who’s work I sold and I never gave permission for my provenance (even though I only sent poor quality recordings and watermarked vids and pics) to be sent around Asia before our deal was concluded. Which could in turn effect my other pieces as they are connected.
Everyone can chose to do business as they please but as I said they won’t get more art or the provenance for the pieces from me...
Have a good day.
I won’t be selling to anyone in Hong Kong ever again. My provenance was used to flip my art before they even bought it. Even though I didn’t supply what they wanted pre sale the little I did provide was used without my permission. There seems to be a few newer people on here that think they are Charles Saatchi or Gordon gecko lol just remember you’re only burning yourself by doing bad business with people. These guys now have art now with no real provenance and I’ll tell anyone that tries to contact me about it that it’s fake. The buyers have no recourse with me and i’ve refused to supply any provenance for those pieces. IF ANYONE IS DOING A DEAL WITH ANYONE FROM HONG KONG DM ME AND I’LL LET YOU KNOW IF ITS THE SAME PEOPLE. Happy bank holiday everyone. Life is beautiful. If you sold the artwork at prices that you were happy with, does it really matter? It is rude and unsustainable of course, but the net result at your end is the same no matter what they do with the artwork once it’s left you. Yep totally matters and money isn’t everything!!! I own a fair bit of art from the artist who’s work I sold and I never gave permission for my provenance (even though I only sent poor quality recordings and watermarked vids and pics) to be sent around Asia before our deal was concluded. Which could in turn effect my other pieces as they are connected. Everyone can chose to do business as they please but as I said they won’t get more art or the provenance for the pieces from me... Have a good day. |
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