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Christie's Art Auctions , by Argiebaji on Mar 30, 2021 7:45:38 GMT 1, Supply out stripping Demand.
A case of the V basics of Economics right here?
Time to 'Hold' peoples?!
Supply out stripping Demand.
A case of the V basics of Economics right here?
Time to 'Hold' peoples?!
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 7:50:31 GMT 1, You seen the canvas in New Zealand!
You seen the canvas in New Zealand!
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 30, 2021 10:20:17 GMT 1, I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints.
A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it.
With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet.
I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints.
A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it.
With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by jstjst on Mar 30, 2021 10:31:36 GMT 1, I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it. With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet.
I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it. With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet. 4 hours to go - many are at or close to estimate now - estimates many felt too high. I think at worst itโs a pause and consolidation - take a 12 month backward view and perspectives might change. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by fusion0001 on Mar 30, 2021 10:53:39 GMT 1, Latest bids and what the buyer pays in comparison to historical records (prior to Sothebys) and expected price ranges are updated now on banksy value also in case it helps anyone. Also has all the condition reports.
banksy-value.com/hot_auctions.html
Current status also below (if there is no bid the starting price is marked as bid)
| Print | Signed | Bid | Price for buyer | Our expert price estimate | Price record | % of price est | % of record | | Love is in the Air | Signed | ยฃ380,000 | ยฃ513,000 | ยฃ300,000 | ยฃ37,076 | 171% | 1384% | | Nola (Yellow Rain) | Signed | ยฃ190,000 | ยฃ256,500 | ยฃ195,000 | ยฃ243,000 | 132% | 106% | | CND Soldiers | Signed | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ94,500 | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ96,480 | 118% | 98% | | Stop and Search | Signed | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ108,000 | ยฃ92,500 | ยฃ101,840 | 117% | 106% | | Napalm | Unsigned | ยฃ30,000 | ยฃ40,500 | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ46,900 | 116% | 86% | | Napalm | Signed | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ74,250 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ73,700 | 114% | 101% | | Flag | Unsigned | ยฃ24,000 | ยฃ32,400 | ยฃ30,500 | ยฃ42,880 | 106% | 76% | | Applause | Unsigned | ยฃ32,000 | ยฃ43,200 | ยฃ41,500 | ยฃ46,900 | 104% | 92% | | Toxic Mary | Unsigned | ยฃ26,000 | ยฃ35,100 | ยฃ34,000 | ยฃ40,200 | 103% | 87% | | Morons | Unsigned | ยฃ38,000 | ยฃ51,300 | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ72,626 | 103% | 71% | | Pulp Fiction | Unsigned | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ93,632 | 100% | 72% | | Girl with Balloon | Signed | ยฃ300,000 | ยฃ405,000 | ยฃ412,500 | ยฃ469,800 | 98% | 86% | | Nola (White Rain) | Signed | ยฃ110,000 | ยฃ148,500 | ยฃ152,500 | ยฃ154,100 | 97% | 96% | | Toxic Mary | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ73,700 | 96% | 92% | | Soup Cans (Cream) | Signed | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ101,250 | ยฃ105,000 | ยฃ20,000 | 96% | 506% | | Girl with Balloon | Unsigned | ยฃ140,000 | ยฃ189,000 | ยฃ202,500 | ยฃ268,000 | 93% | 71% | | Morons | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ103,180 | 90% | 65% | | Bomb Hugger | Signed | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ108,000 | ยฃ122,500 | ยฃ132,660 | 88% | 81% | | Happy Choppers | Signed | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ87,750 | ยฃ100,000 | ยฃ102,677 | 88% | 85% | | Very Little Helps | Signed | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ74,250 | ยฃ85,000 | ยฃ98,190 | 87% | 76% | | Trolleys (Color) | Signed | ยฃ42,000 | ยฃ56,700 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ82,784 | 87% | 68% | | Soup Can | Signed | ยฃ48,000 | ยฃ64,800 | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ68,340 | 86% | 95% | | Sale Ends | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ62,500 | ยฃ56,880 | 86% | 95% | | Happy Choppers | Unsigned | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ47,250 | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ68,696 | 86% | 69% | | Love is in the Air | Unsigned | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | ยฃ150,000 | ยฃ229,500 | 86% | 56% | | Queen Vic | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ64,320 | 83% | 84% | | I Fought The Law | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ61,640 | 83% | 88% | | Flag | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ77,720 | 83% | 69% | | Jack and Jill | Signed | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ87,750 | ยฃ107,500 | ยฃ127,300 | 82% | 69% | | HMV Dog | Unsigned | ยฃ30,000 | ยฃ40,500 | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,000 | 81% | 60% | | Jack and Jill | Unsigned | ยฃ28,000 | ยฃ37,800 | ยฃ47,000 | ยฃ61,900 | 80% | 61% | | Queen Vic | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ37,500 | ยฃ53,600 | 79% | 55% | | Barcode | Unsigned | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ90,450 | 77% | 60% | | Donuts (Strawberry) | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ87,500 | ยฃ120,600 | 77% | 56% | | Love Rat | Unsigned | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ47,250 | ยฃ62,500 | ยฃ73,700 | 76% | 64% | | Christ With Shopping Bags | Signed | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | ยฃ170,000 | ยฃ187,600 | 75% | 68% | | Golf Sale | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ39,500 | ยฃ41,690 | 75% | 71% | | Trolleys (BW) | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ39,500 | ยฃ66,486 | 75% | 45% | | Laugh Now | Signed | ยฃ90,000 | ยฃ121,500 | ยฃ175,000 | ยฃ214,700 | 69% | 57% | | Monkey Queen | Unsigned | ยฃ18,000 | ยฃ24,300 | ยฃ36,500 | ยฃ42,906 | 67% | 57% | | Bomb Hugger | Unsigned | ยฃ26,000 | ยฃ35,100 | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ60,300 | 64% | 58% | | Grin Reaper | Signed | ยฃ45,000 | ยฃ60,750 | ยฃ102,500 | ยฃ113,900 | 59% | 53% | | I Fought the Law | Unsigned | ยฃ18,000 | ยฃ24,300 | ยฃ43,500 | ยฃ57,700 | 56% | 42% | | CND Soldiers | Unsigned | ยฃ17,000 | ยฃ22,950 | ยฃ45,000 | ยฃ56,800 | 51% | 40% | | Pulp Fiction | AP | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | | | | | | Heavy Weaponry | Canvas | ยฃ190,000 | ยฃ256,500 | | | | | | I Fought The Law | AP | ยฃ60,000 | ยฃ81,000 |
Latest bids and what the buyer pays in comparison to historical records (prior to Sothebys) and expected price ranges are updated now on banksy value also in case it helps anyone. Also has all the condition reports. banksy-value.com/hot_auctions.htmlCurrent status also below (if there is no bid the starting price is marked as bid) | Print | Signed | Bid | Price for buyer | Our expert price estimate | Price record | % of price est | % of record | | Love is in the Air | Signed | ยฃ380,000 | ยฃ513,000 | ยฃ300,000 | ยฃ37,076 | 171% | 1384% | | Nola (Yellow Rain) | Signed | ยฃ190,000 | ยฃ256,500 | ยฃ195,000 | ยฃ243,000 | 132% | 106% | | CND Soldiers | Signed | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ94,500 | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ96,480 | 118% | 98% | | Stop and Search | Signed | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ108,000 | ยฃ92,500 | ยฃ101,840 | 117% | 106% | | Napalm | Unsigned | ยฃ30,000 | ยฃ40,500 | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ46,900 | 116% | 86% | | Napalm | Signed | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ74,250 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ73,700 | 114% | 101% | | Flag | Unsigned | ยฃ24,000 | ยฃ32,400 | ยฃ30,500 | ยฃ42,880 | 106% | 76% | | Applause | Unsigned | ยฃ32,000 | ยฃ43,200 | ยฃ41,500 | ยฃ46,900 | 104% | 92% | | Toxic Mary | Unsigned | ยฃ26,000 | ยฃ35,100 | ยฃ34,000 | ยฃ40,200 | 103% | 87% | | Morons | Unsigned | ยฃ38,000 | ยฃ51,300 | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ72,626 | 103% | 71% | | Pulp Fiction | Unsigned | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ93,632 | 100% | 72% | | Girl with Balloon | Signed | ยฃ300,000 | ยฃ405,000 | ยฃ412,500 | ยฃ469,800 | 98% | 86% | | Nola (White Rain) | Signed | ยฃ110,000 | ยฃ148,500 | ยฃ152,500 | ยฃ154,100 | 97% | 96% | | Toxic Mary | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ73,700 | 96% | 92% | | Soup Cans (Cream) | Signed | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ101,250 | ยฃ105,000 | ยฃ20,000 | 96% | 506% | | Girl with Balloon | Unsigned | ยฃ140,000 | ยฃ189,000 | ยฃ202,500 | ยฃ268,000 | 93% | 71% | | Morons | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ103,180 | 90% | 65% | | Bomb Hugger | Signed | ยฃ80,000 | ยฃ108,000 | ยฃ122,500 | ยฃ132,660 | 88% | 81% | | Happy Choppers | Signed | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ87,750 | ยฃ100,000 | ยฃ102,677 | 88% | 85% | | Very Little Helps | Signed | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ74,250 | ยฃ85,000 | ยฃ98,190 | 87% | 76% | | Trolleys (Color) | Signed | ยฃ42,000 | ยฃ56,700 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ82,784 | 87% | 68% | | Soup Can | Signed | ยฃ48,000 | ยฃ64,800 | ยฃ75,000 | ยฃ68,340 | 86% | 95% | | Sale Ends | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ62,500 | ยฃ56,880 | 86% | 95% | | Happy Choppers | Unsigned | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ47,250 | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ68,696 | 86% | 69% | | Love is in the Air | Unsigned | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | ยฃ150,000 | ยฃ229,500 | 86% | 56% | | Queen Vic | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ64,320 | 83% | 84% | | I Fought The Law | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ61,640 | 83% | 88% | | Flag | Signed | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ77,720 | 83% | 69% | | Jack and Jill | Signed | ยฃ65,000 | ยฃ87,750 | ยฃ107,500 | ยฃ127,300 | 82% | 69% | | HMV Dog | Unsigned | ยฃ30,000 | ยฃ40,500 | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,000 | 81% | 60% | | Jack and Jill | Unsigned | ยฃ28,000 | ยฃ37,800 | ยฃ47,000 | ยฃ61,900 | 80% | 61% | | Queen Vic | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ37,500 | ยฃ53,600 | 79% | 55% | | Barcode | Unsigned | ยฃ40,000 | ยฃ54,000 | ยฃ70,000 | ยฃ90,450 | 77% | 60% | | Donuts (Strawberry) | Signed | ยฃ50,000 | ยฃ67,500 | ยฃ87,500 | ยฃ120,600 | 77% | 56% | | Love Rat | Unsigned | ยฃ35,000 | ยฃ47,250 | ยฃ62,500 | ยฃ73,700 | 76% | 64% | | Christ With Shopping Bags | Signed | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | ยฃ170,000 | ยฃ187,600 | 75% | 68% | | Golf Sale | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ39,500 | ยฃ41,690 | 75% | 71% | | Trolleys (BW) | Unsigned | ยฃ22,000 | ยฃ29,700 | ยฃ39,500 | ยฃ66,486 | 75% | 45% | | Laugh Now | Signed | ยฃ90,000 | ยฃ121,500 | ยฃ175,000 | ยฃ214,700 | 69% | 57% | | Monkey Queen | Unsigned | ยฃ18,000 | ยฃ24,300 | ยฃ36,500 | ยฃ42,906 | 67% | 57% | | Bomb Hugger | Unsigned | ยฃ26,000 | ยฃ35,100 | ยฃ55,000 | ยฃ60,300 | 64% | 58% | | Grin Reaper | Signed | ยฃ45,000 | ยฃ60,750 | ยฃ102,500 | ยฃ113,900 | 59% | 53% | | I Fought the Law | Unsigned | ยฃ18,000 | ยฃ24,300 | ยฃ43,500 | ยฃ57,700 | 56% | 42% | | CND Soldiers | Unsigned | ยฃ17,000 | ยฃ22,950 | ยฃ45,000 | ยฃ56,800 | 51% | 40% | | Pulp Fiction | AP | ยฃ95,000 | ยฃ128,250 | | | | | | Heavy Weaponry | Canvas | ยฃ190,000 | ยฃ256,500 | | | | | | I Fought The Law | AP | ยฃ60,000 | ยฃ81,000 |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by F*X on Mar 30, 2021 11:27:14 GMT 1, Thanks for the update but the following don't yet have any bids.
Nola (Yellow Rain)
Bomb Hugger Signed
Christ With Shopping Bags Signed
Queen Vic Signed
CND Soldiers Signed
Toxic Mary Signed
Flag (Gold)Signed
Girl With Balloon Unsigned
Thanks for the update but the following don't yet have any bids.
Nola (Yellow Rain)
Bomb Hugger Signed
Christ With Shopping Bags Signed
Queen Vic Signed
CND Soldiers Signed
Toxic Mary Signed
Flag (Gold)Signed
Girl With Balloon Unsigned
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Christie's Art Auctions , by fusion0001 on Mar 30, 2021 11:46:31 GMT 1, Thanks for the update but the following don't yet have any bids. Nola (Yellow Rain) Bomb Hugger Signed Christ With Shopping Bags Signed Queen Vic Signed CND Soldiers Signed Toxic Mary Signed Flag (Gold)Signed Girl With Balloon Unsigned
Thanks for the update but the following don't yet have any bids. Nola (Yellow Rain) Bomb Hugger Signed Christ With Shopping Bags Signed Queen Vic Signed CND Soldiers Signed Toxic Mary Signed Flag (Gold)Signed Girl With Balloon Unsigned Yep, I have the starting price marked is there is no bid (just edited that a few minutes after posting) |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Sundowner on Mar 30, 2021 12:02:30 GMT 1, Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background.
Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Sundowner on Mar 30, 2021 12:05:00 GMT 1, Does anyone know the total % to factor on top for the works that have 5% import duty to add onto the hammer?
Does anyone know the total % to factor on top for the works that have 5% import duty to add onto the hammer?
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Carl Cashman Art on Mar 30, 2021 12:09:25 GMT 1, I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it. With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet.
I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it. With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet. Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by JFCC on Mar 30, 2021 12:11:26 GMT 1, Does anyone know the total % to factor on for the works that have 5% import duty to add onto the hammer?
If you are overseas the import duty is reclaimable when it is exported from the UK.
Does anyone know the total % to factor on for the works that have 5% import duty to add onto the hammer? You have to add 5% to the Hammer price + premium to establish the "import" price. For UK you then pay VAT on the premium and add ARR. If you are overseas the import duty is reclaimable when it is exported from the UK. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 30, 2021 12:17:54 GMT 1, I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it.ย With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet. Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely.
You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now.
I reckon that this auction is the end of the line for price rise of Banksy prints. A correction in the market was due, I suggest that this is it.ย With 4 hours to go prices are stagnant and most of the USA haven't woken up yet. Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 12:19:57 GMT 1, As I have posted many, many times, these things are in general, of no consequence to seasoned collectors. Look at the Grannies and Toxic Mary that sold at Sotheby's just a couple of weeks ago. "A1, minty-fresh" prints are for your annoying, braggart, stockbroker types. Condition will affect value, but not to the extent that people claim it will, and everything should sell.
Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background.
As I have posted many, many times, these things are in general, of no consequence to seasoned collectors. Look at the Grannies and Toxic Mary that sold at Sotheby's just a couple of weeks ago. "A1, minty-fresh" prints are for your annoying, braggart, stockbroker types. Condition will affect value, but not to the extent that people claim it will, and everything should sell. Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Carl Cashman Art on Mar 30, 2021 12:20:05 GMT 1, Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now.
Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now. Yeah but a 100k gaff won't be sold today for 400k and then the same buyer complain in December that its not worth a mil. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 12:30:32 GMT 1, To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this:
1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later.
2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as GWB and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements.
3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this:
1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later.
2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as GWB and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements.
3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by ubl on Mar 30, 2021 12:38:57 GMT 1, To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. Thank you for education us, the ill-informed trash, about how this auction will go. Also I think you forgot to mention that all the unsigned pieces will be shredded and binned as these are now worthless. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Graham H on Mar 30, 2021 12:40:52 GMT 1, Common sense at last... About sums things up perfectly
No wonder this man is retiring in 18 months!
To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
Common sense at last... About sums things up perfectly No wonder this man is retiring in 18 months! To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 12:42:25 GMT 1, I didn't call anyone trash. I said that I've seen many ill-informed speculations which is my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Anyone is welcome to criticize what I said, especially if they're informed on auction theory, which I really should spend some time reading about.
To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. Thank you for education us, the ill-informed trash, about how this auction will go.ย Also I think you forgot to mention that all the unsigned pieces will be shredded and binned as these are now worthless.
I didn't call anyone trash. I said that I've seen many ill-informed speculations which is my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Anyone is welcome to criticize what I said, especially if they're informed on auction theory, which I really should spend some time reading about. To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. Thank you for education us, the ill-informed trash, about how this auction will go.ย Also I think you forgot to mention that all the unsigned pieces will be shredded and binned as these are now worthless. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by theclash on Mar 30, 2021 12:43:08 GMT 1, The sun is shining in U.K., go for walk in a park for an hour 15 mins and check in when it matters.
The sun is shining in U.K., go for walk in a park for an hour 15 mins and check in when it matters.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by ubl on Mar 30, 2021 12:46:43 GMT 1, I didn't call anyone trash. I said that I've seen many ill-informed speculations which is my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Anyone is welcome to criticize what I said, especially if they're informed on auction theory, which I really should spend some time reading about. Thank you for education us, the ill-informed trash, about how this auction will go. Also I think you forgot to mention that all the unsigned pieces will be shredded and binned as these are now worthless.
I didn't call anyone trash. I said that I've seen many ill-informed speculations which is my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Anyone is welcome to criticize what I said, especially if they're informed on auction theory, which I really should spend some time reading about. Thank you for education us, the ill-informed trash, about how this auction will go. Also I think you forgot to mention that all the unsigned pieces will be shredded and binned as these are now worthless. Fair enough. We'll see how it goes don't believe the high estimates were helpful, they don't leave much room for bidding anyway. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by bob60 on Mar 30, 2021 12:55:28 GMT 1, Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now.
Or.... things can't quadruple in value every single year or rise with every auction. Weirdly nobody buys a house today expecting to flip it for multiple times of the cost in just a few months indefinitely. You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now. Absolute bullshit.... |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by robo on Mar 30, 2021 12:58:07 GMT 1, 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
I'd agree with this, esp (1). Of course "images that are still undervalued" is a moving feast - Nola so far is interesting and I wouldn't have predicted (and it's still to run).
1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. I'd agree with this, esp (1). Of course "images that are still undervalued" is a moving feast - Nola so far is interesting and I wouldn't have predicted (and it's still to run). |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by bob60 on Mar 30, 2021 12:59:00 GMT 1, Common sense at last... About sums things up perfectly No wonder this man is retiring in 18 months! To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates.
Common sense at last... About sums things up perfectly No wonder this man is retiring in 18 months! To opine on every single ridiculous and ill-informed speculation in this thread I'll say this: 1) The auction, as we would define it in terms of the real competition and sale, occurs today. View the current prices as starting bids with the lense that bidding starts in the last hour or so, perhaps even later. 2) Prices cannot keep increasing at this rate forever. You'll probably see record after record for the most iconic images such as Girl With Balloon and LIITA, but the hammer prices of other prints will fluctuate naturally. No single fluctuation is evidence of a dip, correction, drop in demand or overall falling prices as so many of you think it is. Condition and competition on the day are often disregarded when people make these blanket statements. 3) Given the very sharp increases seen in the last year, I assume that there isn't much more room for huge jumps in price, the exception being images that are still undervalued (Nola for example). Most prints will appreciate YoY in excess of interest rates. Maybe heโs retiring because, you know, heโs old enough to be eligible for his old age pension... |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 30, 2021 13:41:04 GMT 1, You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now. Absolute bullshit....
OK buddy. Your version of life isn't comparable to mine.
You obviously don't live in Scotland, that's exactly what people are doing right now. Absolute bullshit.... OK buddy. Your version of life isn't comparable to mine. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by dzigavertov on Mar 30, 2021 13:47:40 GMT 1, Not much happening with less than 15 to go.
Not much happening with less than 15 to go.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by JFCC on Mar 30, 2021 13:55:47 GMT 1, Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background.
Condition on the CWSB is poor - bad mount burn, lots of creases and a white patch on the grey background. You are correct, as we saw in the last auction with the Grin Reaper AP, the price will be materially below expectation and a substantially below a good or excellent conditioned version. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by tonys on Mar 30, 2021 14:06:13 GMT 1, Not many earth shattering results so far in this.
Not many earth shattering results so far in this.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 14:07:58 GMT 1, Not many earth shattering results so far in this.
Not many earth shattering results so far in this. Depends where your baseline is, ยฃ50 prints going for north of 100k is pretty fucking earth shattering if you ask me. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 30, 2021 14:09:17 GMT 1, What does Price Realised mean?
Is that the TOTAL paid by the buyer?
What does Price Realised mean?
Is that the TOTAL paid by the buyer?
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 30, 2021 14:09:49 GMT 1, Heavy weaponry was a bit of a steal
Heavy weaponry was a bit of a steal
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