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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 24, 2021 4:04:06 GMT 1, So you seem to be saying that it is ok to break the law for views you agree with but not for those that you disagree with. Of course everyone is against slavery. But that doesn't mean you can do what you want, because you are against slavery. I'm reminded of L. P. Hartley who said "the past is a foreign country. They do things differently there." Any statue celebrating anyone involved in slavery and the mistreatment of people based on race should be taken down. Sure - first by authorities, but if they are too ignorant to act in a timely manner then in this particular case, yes it was a justified statement of the movement. In the US the government has removed many similar statues themselves, particularly in Charleston and many southern states. I'm reminded of Rosa Parks who said "To bring about change, you must not be afraid to take the first step. We will fail when we fail to try."
How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome?
Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece?
So you seem to be saying that it is ok to break the law for views you agree with but not for those that you disagree with. Of course everyone is against slavery. But that doesn't mean you can do what you want, because you are against slavery. I'm reminded of L. P. Hartley who said "the past is a foreign country. They do things differently there." Any statue celebrating anyone involved in slavery and the mistreatment of people based on race should be taken down. Sure - first by authorities, but if they are too ignorant to act in a timely manner then in this particular case, yes it was a justified statement of the movement. In the US the government has removed many similar statues themselves, particularly in Charleston and many southern states. I'm reminded of Rosa Parks who said "To bring about change, you must not be afraid to take the first step. We will fail when we fail to try." How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome? Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece? |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Fairxat on Dec 24, 2021 4:34:41 GMT 1, Any statue celebrating anyone involved in slavery and the mistreatment of people based on race should be taken down. Sure - first by authorities, but if they are too ignorant to act in a timely manner then in this particular case, yes it was a justified statement of the movement. In the US the government has removed many similar statues themselves, particularly in Charleston and many southern states. I'm reminded of Rosa Parks who said "To bring about change, you must not be afraid to take the first step. We will fail when we fail to try." How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome? Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece?
Any statue celebrating anyone involved in slavery and the mistreatment of people based on race should be taken down. Sure - first by authorities, but if they are too ignorant to act in a timely manner then in this particular case, yes it was a justified statement of the movement. In the US the government has removed many similar statues themselves, particularly in Charleston and many southern states. I'm reminded of Rosa Parks who said "To bring about change, you must not be afraid to take the first step. We will fail when we fail to try." How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome? Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece? silly counter argument there. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Hairbland on Dec 24, 2021 12:05:22 GMT 1, Still have no life, eh? Christmas coming, still a chance! You prefer your artists not to create art??? Sad. Really got your Brainwashed.
your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you.
Still have no life, eh? Christmas coming, still a chance! You prefer your artists not to create art??? Sad. Really got your Brainwashed. your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Hairbland on Dec 24, 2021 12:38:58 GMT 1, silly counter argument there. Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't).
one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago.
silly counter argument there. Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't). one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Coach on Dec 24, 2021 13:10:00 GMT 1, Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't). one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago.
Whilst it might be difficult to mount a logical argument to this effect, one can certainly have a “gut” feeling about it.
I certainly feel that there is an emotional and ethical difference between removing a relatively recent stature of a slave trader (after inaction by the authorities) and removing ancient Roman remains/statues, regardless of whether logical arguments can be made to assert that there is no difference.
I think the passage of time (and the resultant rarity of the artefacts) does make a huge difference.
The result of the counter argument is that all historical monuments and artefacts have to be removed when the events of the day no longer match modern thinking, or nothing can ever be removed no matter how abhorrent it becomes. That outcome must be wrong.
Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't). one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago. Whilst it might be difficult to mount a logical argument to this effect, one can certainly have a “gut” feeling about it. I certainly feel that there is an emotional and ethical difference between removing a relatively recent stature of a slave trader (after inaction by the authorities) and removing ancient Roman remains/statues, regardless of whether logical arguments can be made to assert that there is no difference. I think the passage of time (and the resultant rarity of the artefacts) does make a huge difference. The result of the counter argument is that all historical monuments and artefacts have to be removed when the events of the day no longer match modern thinking, or nothing can ever be removed no matter how abhorrent it becomes. That outcome must be wrong. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Minecrafter on Dec 24, 2021 13:23:54 GMT 1, 
Talking about racism, let's not forget what caused Robin all those problems in Kingston, jamaica all those years ago.
You can find the original interview by simply googling the quote.
By the way - that word has done nothing for hip-hop.
Talking about racism, let's not forget what caused Robin all those problems in Kingston, jamaica all those years ago. You can find the original interview by simply googling the quote. By the way - that word has done nothing for hip-hop. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Lazarus II on Dec 24, 2021 16:14:40 GMT 1, Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't). I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely.
yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us !
Why do you think it's silly??? It's literally the same thing. If you want to destroy the Colston statue then you should, presumably, want to destroy ancient Roman statues as well (although hopefully, you don't). I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely. yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us ! |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Fairxat on Dec 24, 2021 16:44:19 GMT 1, I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely. yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us !
www.google.com/amp/s/imperiumromanum.pl/en/roman-constitution/roman-law/torture-used-by-ancient-romans/amp/
I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely. yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us ! |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Pipes on Dec 24, 2021 17:07:39 GMT 1, I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely. yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us !
The aqueduct?
I suppose one notable difference is that there are a significant number of people today whose known family history has been permanently and negatively affected by activity in the time of Colston. I have yet to meet anyone who feels personally aggrieved by actions carried out on their ancestors in Ancient Rome. Perhaps they exist and the Roman statues are a daily reminder of the pain and suffering felt by prior generations of their family, but it seems less likely. yip, tell me what the Romans have ever done for us ! The aqueduct? |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by quinn on Dec 24, 2021 19:13:07 GMT 1, This thread needed a little lightheartedness.
This thread needed a little lightheartedness. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 25, 2021 21:37:29 GMT 1, How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome? Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece? silly counter argument there.
Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions.
How do you feel about Ancient Roman statues in Rome? Or the Ancient monuments and statues in Greece? silly counter argument there. Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 25, 2021 21:38:26 GMT 1, You prefer your artists not to create art??? Sad. Really got your Brainwashed. your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you.
You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip!
You prefer your artists not to create art??? Sad. Really got your Brainwashed. your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you. You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip! |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 25, 2021 21:41:49 GMT 1, one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago. Whilst it might be difficult to mount a logical argument to this effect, one can certainly have a “gut” feeling about it. I certainly feel that there is an emotional and ethical difference between removing a relatively recent stature of a slave trader (after inaction by the authorities) and removing ancient Roman remains/statues, regardless of whether logical arguments can be made to assert that there is no difference. I think the passage of time (and the resultant rarity of the artefacts) does make a huge difference. The result of the counter argument is that all historical monuments and artefacts have to be removed when the events of the day no longer match modern thinking, or nothing can ever be removed no matter how abhorrent it becomes. That outcome must be wrong.
So in 1000 years they should bring the Colston statue back?
one difference might be modern history of the last 200-250 years, versus ancient history 2000 years ago. Whilst it might be difficult to mount a logical argument to this effect, one can certainly have a “gut” feeling about it. I certainly feel that there is an emotional and ethical difference between removing a relatively recent stature of a slave trader (after inaction by the authorities) and removing ancient Roman remains/statues, regardless of whether logical arguments can be made to assert that there is no difference. I think the passage of time (and the resultant rarity of the artefacts) does make a huge difference. The result of the counter argument is that all historical monuments and artefacts have to be removed when the events of the day no longer match modern thinking, or nothing can ever be removed no matter how abhorrent it becomes. That outcome must be wrong. So in 1000 years they should bring the Colston statue back? |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Fairxat on Dec 25, 2021 22:38:46 GMT 1, Uk Ends one inhumane motion and jumps straight into the next
It’s just all these acts were written out of history and now are often openly discussed, with more people aware, some do not want any glorification of these most recent events in history
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-49404024
Uk Ends one inhumane motion and jumps straight into the next It’s just all these acts were written out of history and now are often openly discussed, with more people aware, some do not want any glorification of these most recent events in history www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-49404024 |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Fairxat on Dec 26, 2021 3:53:32 GMT 1, silly counter argument there. Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions.
You are just silly full stop ✋
silly counter argument there. Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions. You are just silly full stop ✋ |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 4:00:02 GMT 1, Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions. You are just silly full stop ✋
So you can’t answer simple questions?
Yet I’m silly….
Don’t worry I accept your apology for such heinous assumption on your part. 👍🏻
Silly assumption on your part. Never said it was a counter argument. Simple questions. You are just silly full stop ✋ So you can’t answer simple questions? Yet I’m silly…. Don’t worry I accept your apology for such heinous assumption on your part. 👍🏻 |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 4:01:35 GMT 1, Are there any hitler statues? Mussolini? Cecil Rhodes? Sadam hussein? Jimmy saville? Asking for a friend
Have you heard of Mein Kampf.
You can find it on Amazon if you’ve never heard of it …
Are there any hitler statues? Mussolini? Cecil Rhodes? Sadam hussein? Jimmy saville? Asking for a friend Have you heard of Mein Kampf. You can find it on Amazon if you’ve never heard of it … |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Hairbland on Dec 26, 2021 13:03:03 GMT 1, your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you. You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip!
There would be no other reason for capitalizing the “B”, other than as an attempt at wit. Since you enter discussions with a thud, and then do your sea lion thing, I’m guessing that…unless you’ve been influenced by Trump’s random capitalization practices.
your time away from the forum has not been well spent. Brainwash rarely gets mentioned anymore. The forum has moved on, as should you. You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip! There would be no other reason for capitalizing the “B”, other than as an attempt at wit. Since you enter discussions with a thud, and then do your sea lion thing, I’m guessing that…unless you’ve been influenced by Trump’s random capitalization practices. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 14:34:49 GMT 1, Yeah they’ve got lots of books on Amazon, it’s how they started out. Selling them from his garage I believe. Can you also get the book as a statue?
So that’s where your line is I guess?
Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river.
Seems to make sense (not really).
Yeah they’ve got lots of books on Amazon, it’s how they started out. Selling them from his garage I believe. Can you also get the book as a statue? So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really). |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 14:36:16 GMT 1, You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip! There would be no other reason for capitalizing the “B”, other than as an attempt at wit. Since you enter discussions with a thud, and then do your sea lion thing, I’m guessing that…unless you’ve been influenced by Trump’s random capitalization practices.
Wow you are finally catching on.
Of course it was a reference to Brainwash. Man glad you finally got it!
So now that Brainwash is ‘no longer discussed’ does that mean Banksy failed with that art project?
You think I’m talking about Brainwash the artist? Sad banksy really does have you in his grip! There would be no other reason for capitalizing the “B”, other than as an attempt at wit. Since you enter discussions with a thud, and then do your sea lion thing, I’m guessing that…unless you’ve been influenced by Trump’s random capitalization practices. Wow you are finally catching on. Of course it was a reference to Brainwash. Man glad you finally got it! So now that Brainwash is ‘no longer discussed’ does that mean Banksy failed with that art project? |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Lazarus II on Dec 26, 2021 14:59:40 GMT 1, It’s all a bit mad Ted.
It’s all a bit mad Ted.
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 15:00:27 GMT 1, So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really). Even for you this is a very, very strange argument.
What’s strange?
Not allowing one symbol of hate while allowing another?
You don’t find Mein Kampf as a symbol of hate? Hot take alert 🚨
So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really). Even for you this is a very, very strange argument. What’s strange? Not allowing one symbol of hate while allowing another? You don’t find Mein Kampf as a symbol of hate? Hot take alert 🚨 |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Odie on Dec 26, 2021 17:51:56 GMT 1,
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Dive Jedi on Dec 26, 2021 18:02:29 GMT 1, Yeah they’ve got lots of books on Amazon, it’s how they started out. Selling them from his garage I believe. Can you also get the book as a statue? So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really).
Yeah they’ve got lots of books on Amazon, it’s how they started out. Selling them from his garage I believe. Can you also get the book as a statue? So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really). |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 26, 2021 18:26:05 GMT 1, So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really).
I’ve seen better sea lion photos. Try again.
So that’s where your line is I guess? Allow hateful racist manifestos. Throw ugly old statues of into a river. Seems to make sense (not really). I’ve seen better sea lion photos. Try again. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Coach on Dec 27, 2021 0:06:12 GMT 1, Stop feeding the troll.
Stop feeding the troll.
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Coach on Dec 27, 2021 0:36:06 GMT 1, Hopefully he’ll find a bambi forum and fark off for good
The grown ups can still have a healthy debate about the issues, without responding to a troll, and without responses they wither. Don’t reply; ignore.
Hopefully he’ll find a bambi forum and fark off for good The grown ups can still have a healthy debate about the issues, without responding to a troll, and without responses they wither. Don’t reply; ignore. |
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Banksy Bristol TShirt • Colston Four, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 27, 2021 1:05:32 GMT 1, Hopefully he’ll find a bambi forum and fark off for good The grown ups can still have a healthy debate about the issues, without responding to a troll, and without responses they wither. Don’t reply; ignore.
Most 2022 response I’ve seen. Are you GenZ?
Hopefully he’ll find a bambi forum and fark off for good The grown ups can still have a healthy debate about the issues, without responding to a troll, and without responses they wither. Don’t reply; ignore. Most 2022 response I’ve seen. Are you GenZ? |
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