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Labour V Conservative , by Daniel Silk on Nov 21, 2022 7:42:54 GMT 1, If the UK had an Election today, who would you Vote for?
Labour, Conservative or something else.
Banksy is very openly a strong Labour Supporter and his artwork has always had its roots in Politics and Social issues, so it's interesting to get an angle on the views of the Banksy followers.
If the UK had an Election today, who would you Vote for? Labour, Conservative or something else. Banksy is very openly a strong Labour Supporter and his artwork has always had its roots in Politics and Social issues, so it's interesting to get an angle on the views of the Banksy followers. |
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Labour V Conservative , by Sebastian Dusseldorf on Nov 21, 2022 8:53:26 GMT 1, Could make sense to split the vote by those who can actually vote in the UK and others.
Could make sense to split the vote by those who can actually vote in the UK and others.
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chrispa
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Labour V Conservative , by chrispa on Nov 21, 2022 10:15:14 GMT 1, The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife)
How could anyone vote for them!!
The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife)
How could anyone vote for them!!
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Labour V Conservative , by Random Ginger Bloke on Nov 21, 2022 10:30:16 GMT 1, *Scottish anger intensifies ๐คฃ
This and the world cup commentary are gonna push me over the edge today haha
*Scottish anger intensifies ๐คฃ
This and the world cup commentary are gonna push me over the edge today haha
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Labour V Conservative , by Pete the Post on Nov 21, 2022 11:07:26 GMT 1, Not that sure i would see Banksy as overly supportive of this incarnation of labour somehow. They are shit. Pretty sure he will be looking on with disappointment and voting green.
He hasnt called to confirm this.
Not that sure i would see Banksy as overly supportive of this incarnation of labour somehow. They are shit. Pretty sure he will be looking on with disappointment and voting green.
He hasnt called to confirm this.
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Labour V Conservative , by Poster Bob on Nov 21, 2022 11:12:25 GMT 1, The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife) How could anyone vote for them!!
The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me.
The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife) How could anyone vote for them!! The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. |
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chrispa
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Labour V Conservative , by chrispa on Nov 21, 2022 11:47:03 GMT 1, The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife) How could anyone vote for them!! The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me.
(as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings)
The Tories have f**caked the economy and are making the working class pay whilst the idle rich still pay 10% tax on their capital gains....or use their "non dom" status to pay no tax (like Sunaks wife) How could anyone vote for them!! The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) |
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Nov 21, 2022 12:00:45 GMT 1, The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings)
The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) Is that true? Last time I looked capital gains tax was the same for everybody. Where does it make a distinction between "the rich" and "the workers"? |
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Labour V Conservative , by Pete the Post on Nov 21, 2022 12:10:05 GMT 1, 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) Is that true? Last time I looked capital gains tax was the same for everybody. Where does it make a distinction between "the rich" and "the workers"?
Also if you are self employed, and you dont use all of your taxable allowance, the remainder of that is rolled into your tax free part. So if you make 4k income from your business (just for easyness) then sell a 40k piece of art, you would get the first 18k or so tax free, then pay 10% on the other 22k. So ยฃ2,200 tax on 44k of income.
And yes, its a total stitch up as usual. But im self employed so, while its pathetic, a sad reflection of the corrupted way things are, its been handy for me.
10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) Is that true? Last time I looked capital gains tax was the same for everybody. Where does it make a distinction between "the rich" and "the workers"? Its true. Varying levels based on income as mentioned. It also has another 12.5k allowance before you have to pay anything. (its not just the idle rich that are doing ok using this though, lots on here will be. ) Also if you are self employed, and you dont use all of your taxable allowance, the remainder of that is rolled into your tax free part. So if you make 4k income from your business (just for easyness) then sell a 40k piece of art, you would get the first 18k or so tax free, then pay 10% on the other 22k. So ยฃ2,200 tax on 44k of income. And yes, its a total stitch up as usual. But im self employed so, while its pathetic, a sad reflection of the corrupted way things are, its been handy for me. |
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Labour V Conservative , by Poster Bob on Nov 21, 2022 12:57:50 GMT 1, The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings)
Please let me know what rich person earns under ยฃ37k and then pays gains at 10%.
The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) Please let me know what rich person earns under ยฃ37k and then pays gains at 10%. |
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Nov 21, 2022 18:46:01 GMT 1, The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings)
The rich pay 10% tax on their capital gains? Thatโs certainly news to me. 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) I donโt think you can class someone as rich if theyโre not a higher rate tax payer. |
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Labour V Conservative , by J6507G on Nov 21, 2022 19:06:27 GMT 1, 10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) I donโt think you can class someone as rich if theyโre not a higher rate tax payer.
10% up to ยฃ37K then 20%. (as opposed to workers paying ยฃ25% and then 40% + National Insurance on earnings) I donโt think you can class someone as rich if theyโre not a higher rate tax payer. I would say a lot of rich arnt higher rate tax payers. That's what accountants are for |
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Labour V Conservative , by dan993c2 on Nov 21, 2022 19:31:00 GMT 1, I can assure you Iโm not rich and pay significant Corporation Tax at the end of the year!
I can assure you Iโm not rich and pay significant Corporation Tax at the end of the year!
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Nov 21, 2022 19:31:27 GMT 1, I donโt think you can class someone as rich if theyโre not a higher rate tax payer. I would say a lot of rich arnt higher rate tax payers. That's what accountants are for
I donโt think you can class someone as rich if theyโre not a higher rate tax payer. I would say a lot of rich arnt higher rate tax payers. That's what accountants are for Youโre telling me that rich people can survive on personal income of less than ยฃ50,000? No accountant can stop you paying tax on personal income, you can incorporate wealth, put it in trusts, keep it off shore, put into a pension scheme and these will all limit or defer your tax liabilities but once you take income personally to fund your life style then youโre paying tax and more than likely top rate tax, even if you pay yourself dividends the tax payable is broadly comparable to income tax (and arguably more as the company would have already paid corporation tax). |
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Labour V Conservative , by dan993c2 on Nov 21, 2022 19:37:36 GMT 1, I would say a lot of rich arnt higher rate tax payers. That's what accountants are for Youโre telling me that rich people can survive on personal income of less than ยฃ50,000? No accountant can stop you paying tax on personal income, you can incorporate wealth, put it in trusts, keep it off shore, put into a pension scheme and these will all limit or defer your tax liabilities but once you take income personally to fund your life style then youโre paying tax and more than likely top rate tax, even if you pay yourself dividends the tax payable is broadly comparable to income tax.
I would say a lot of rich arnt higher rate tax payers. That's what accountants are for Youโre telling me that rich people can survive on personal income of less than ยฃ50,000? No accountant can stop you paying tax on personal income, you can incorporate wealth, put it in trusts, keep it off shore, put into a pension scheme and these will all limit or defer your tax liabilities but once you take income personally to fund your life style then youโre paying tax and more than likely top rate tax, even if you pay yourself dividends the tax payable is broadly comparable to income tax. Very correct you only save small amount through dividends but it allows your company to remain solvent for a potentially difficult year. The real problem is offshore registration or registration in a tax efficient country, Amazon and Starbucks ๐ณ |
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Nov 21, 2022 19:56:04 GMT 1, Youโre telling me that rich people can survive on personal income of less than ยฃ50,000? No accountant can stop you paying tax on personal income, you can incorporate wealth, put it in trusts, keep it off shore, put into a pension scheme and these will all limit or defer your tax liabilities but once you take income personally to fund your life style then youโre paying tax and more than likely top rate tax, even if you pay yourself dividends the tax payable is broadly comparable to income tax. Very correct you only save small amount through dividends but it allows your company to remain solvent for a potentially difficult year. The real problem is offshore registration or registration in a tax efficient country, Amazon and Starbucks ๐ณ
Youโre telling me that rich people can survive on personal income of less than ยฃ50,000? No accountant can stop you paying tax on personal income, you can incorporate wealth, put it in trusts, keep it off shore, put into a pension scheme and these will all limit or defer your tax liabilities but once you take income personally to fund your life style then youโre paying tax and more than likely top rate tax, even if you pay yourself dividends the tax payable is broadly comparable to income tax. Very correct you only save small amount through dividends but it allows your company to remain solvent for a potentially difficult year. The real problem is offshore registration or registration in a tax efficient country, Amazon and Starbucks ๐ณ Agreed alot of companies who earn money in our economy avoid tax through complex off shore arrangements leaving domestic companies to carry the burden. Iโd be in favour of lower corporation tax but making sure all companies doing business in the UK pay. I really canโt see why it would be difficult to legislate to make all businessโs with a presence in the UK pay up. Likewise with non dom status, if youโre genuinely not a resident in the UK then of course you shouldโnt pay tax here however as things stand plenty of people use the UK as their principle country of residence and still claim non dom status, this should be scrapped all together. |
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Labour V Conservative , by Reader on Nov 21, 2022 20:21:25 GMT 1, Very correct you only save small amount through dividends but it allows your company to remain solvent for a potentially difficult year. The real problem is offshore registration or registration in a tax efficient country, Amazon and Starbucks ๐ณ Agreed alot of companies who earn money in our economy avoid tax through complex off shore arrangements leaving domestic companies to carry the burden. Iโd be in favour of lower corporation tax but making sure all companies doing business in the UK pay. I really canโt see why it would be difficult to legislate to make all businessโs with a presence in the UK pay up. Likewise with non dom status, if youโre genuinely not a resident in the UK then of course you shouldโnt pay tax here however as things stand plenty of people use the UK as their principle country of residence and still claim non dom status, this should be scrapped all together.
At the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of offshore secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it behind obscure financial structures in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth may be hidden in British offshore jurisdictions and Britain and its offshore jurisdictions are the largest global players in the world of international finance. How did this come about, and what impact does it have on the world today?
Very correct you only save small amount through dividends but it allows your company to remain solvent for a potentially difficult year. The real problem is offshore registration or registration in a tax efficient country, Amazon and Starbucks ๐ณ Agreed alot of companies who earn money in our economy avoid tax through complex off shore arrangements leaving domestic companies to carry the burden. Iโd be in favour of lower corporation tax but making sure all companies doing business in the UK pay. I really canโt see why it would be difficult to legislate to make all businessโs with a presence in the UK pay up. Likewise with non dom status, if youโre genuinely not a resident in the UK then of course you shouldโnt pay tax here however as things stand plenty of people use the UK as their principle country of residence and still claim non dom status, this should be scrapped all together. Really recommend the documentary on Netflix "The Spiders Web, Britain's Second Empire", a real eye opener on the hidden network of power and finance the establishment control. At the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of offshore secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it behind obscure financial structures in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth may be hidden in British offshore jurisdictions and Britain and its offshore jurisdictions are the largest global players in the world of international finance. How did this come about, and what impact does it have on the world today? |
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 13:34:07 GMT 1, Two cheeks of the same arse at the moment, unfortunately. Whilst I will never vote Tory, it's very difficult to vote Labour as things stand as they are only promising more of the same. Austerity, privatisation, war and devision based on nationality and race.
It's a sorry state of affairs. How downhill the party have fallen. I used to be an active member within my CLP, so I'm not some floating voter they've pissed off.
Anyway, can't see this thread causing anything other than more division. Seems to be the way of things since the middle of the last decade or so.
Two cheeks of the same arse at the moment, unfortunately. Whilst I will never vote Tory, it's very difficult to vote Labour as things stand as they are only promising more of the same. Austerity, privatisation, war and devision based on nationality and race.
It's a sorry state of affairs. How downhill the party have fallen. I used to be an active member within my CLP, so I'm not some floating voter they've pissed off.
Anyway, can't see this thread causing anything other than more division. Seems to be the way of things since the middle of the last decade or so.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jun 29, 2024 13:48:39 GMT 1, I don't want to vote Tory or Labour at the forthcoming election. It seems whoever wins I am going to be disappointed.
And in the US it's even worse. The choice there is between a dementing geriatric and a lying delusional narcissist.
I don't want to vote Tory or Labour at the forthcoming election. It seems whoever wins I am going to be disappointed.
And in the US it's even worse. The choice there is between a dementing geriatric and a lying delusional narcissist.
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Labour V Conservative , by Acme Thunderer on Jun 29, 2024 13:51:44 GMT 1, I might as well make my prediction of the election resultsโฆ that we are about to enter a 5 year coalition of Labour and Liberal Democratโs. Welcome to the dream team of โStarmer & Daveyโ who will put the UK in limbo.
There will be a small representation of MPs for Green and Reform, but not as many as people will think, as the people who would vote for these parties tend to be the people who donโt usually vote. The Lib Demโs will be the main benefactor of previous Tory voters who couldnโt bring themselves to vote for any of the others.
My only consolation is that will never be as bad as USA, and hopefully Farage wonโt get elected so he can work as Trumpโs pimp instead.
I might as well make my prediction of the election resultsโฆ that we are about to enter a 5 year coalition of Labour and Liberal Democratโs. Welcome to the dream team of โStarmer & Daveyโ who will put the UK in limbo.
There will be a small representation of MPs for Green and Reform, but not as many as people will think, as the people who would vote for these parties tend to be the people who donโt usually vote. The Lib Demโs will be the main benefactor of previous Tory voters who couldnโt bring themselves to vote for any of the others.
My only consolation is that will never be as bad as USA, and hopefully Farage wonโt get elected so he can work as Trumpโs pimp instead.
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Labour V Conservative , by STP on Jun 29, 2024 14:29:06 GMT 1, Imagine you're on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with the food cart and asks "can I interest you in the chicken? Or would you prefer the platter of shit with broken glass in it?"
To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment before asking how the chicken is cooked.
Use your vote, and use it to vote tactically.
Imagine you're on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with the food cart and asks "can I interest you in the chicken? Or would you prefer the platter of shit with broken glass in it?"
To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment before asking how the chicken is cooked.
Use your vote, and use it to vote tactically.
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 14:30:44 GMT 1, Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite.
Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite.
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drip
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Labour V Conservative , by drip on Jun 29, 2024 14:31:22 GMT 1, You don't get a bespoke candidate or party. If you think they're all the same, they really aren't. Some are much, much worse. Always vote for the lesser evil.
You don't get a bespoke candidate or party. If you think they're all the same, they really aren't. Some are much, much worse. Always vote for the lesser evil.
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 15:02:57 GMT 1, I didn't say 'they are all the same'. That's the sort of rubbush the pub bore comes out with. The sort of peron who thinks Farage is anti-establishment.
The fact of the matter is that you do get different parties, you do get parties with a range of candidates. Or you did, anyway.
And then you get a party using pure 1984 double speak like Labour, saying they represent 'Change' whilst offering austerity, privatisation, war. It's nothing less than disgusting. And voting for them isn't tactical, it's foolish. They don't even represent the 'lesser evil'. It's literally voting for more of the same.
As I said, this thread isn't going anywhere, fuck knows why it was bumped. A cynic would say it was to generate traffic at all costs. Grim stuff.
I didn't say 'they are all the same'. That's the sort of rubbush the pub bore comes out with. The sort of peron who thinks Farage is anti-establishment.
The fact of the matter is that you do get different parties, you do get parties with a range of candidates. Or you did, anyway.
And then you get a party using pure 1984 double speak like Labour, saying they represent 'Change' whilst offering austerity, privatisation, war. It's nothing less than disgusting. And voting for them isn't tactical, it's foolish. They don't even represent the 'lesser evil'. It's literally voting for more of the same.
As I said, this thread isn't going anywhere, fuck knows why it was bumped. A cynic would say it was to generate traffic at all costs. Grim stuff.
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Labour V Conservative , by drip on Jun 29, 2024 15:09:46 GMT 1, I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine.
I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine.
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 15:14:16 GMT 1, I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine.
I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine. Sorry mate. |
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Labour V Conservative , by artstuff on Jun 29, 2024 15:20:13 GMT 1, these politicians don't give a shi* about us. power to the people โ๐ฝ
these politicians don't give a shi* about us. power to the people โ๐ฝ
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Labour V Conservative , by drip on Jun 29, 2024 15:23:20 GMT 1, I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine. Sorry mate.
Peace, mate.
I was honestly not getting at you, Onket. I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine. Sorry mate. No, I'M sorry, Onket. Peace, mate. |
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Labour V Conservative , by Acme Thunderer on Jun 29, 2024 15:26:36 GMT 1, Onket and drip for PM ๐ค
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