mandem
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Labour V Conservative , by mandem on Jun 29, 2024 15:48:29 GMT 1, Two cheeks of the same arse.
I'll vote as always for 'never ever Tory ever' so probably Green. Where I live has been Lab stronghold for 20+ years, so can afford to do so. If I were in anywhere marginal it'd be different
Two cheeks of the same arse. I'll vote as always for 'never ever Tory ever' so probably Green. Where I live has been Lab stronghold for 20+ years, so can afford to do so. If I were in anywhere marginal it'd be different
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jun 29, 2024 15:51:09 GMT 1, Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with.
Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with.
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Labour V Conservative , by Blue on Jun 29, 2024 17:57:36 GMT 1, Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Agree... A lack of faith in the status quo often leads to dumb decisions and lurches toward extremes and populism. If labour mess this up the right wing fringe nut jobs are waiting in the wings to pounce.
Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Agree... A lack of faith in the status quo often leads to dumb decisions and lurches toward extremes and populism. If labour mess this up the right wing fringe nut jobs are waiting in the wings to pounce.
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 18:08:44 GMT 1, Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote.
Only an absolute mug would vote for more of the same, and that's being polite. How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote.
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loui
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jun 29, 2024 18:14:23 GMT 1, How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Agree... A lack of faith in the status quo often leads to dumb decisions and lurches toward extremes and populism. If labour mess this up the right wing fringe nut jobs are waiting in the wings to pounce. Exactly. And this is what weโve seen all over Europe lately, which is scary. I loved how Kylian Mbappe recently urged the youth to vote to reject "extremists", who he said were "at the gates of power". I hope Labour is able to play it well ๐ค
www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgg8kdw190o
How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Agree... A lack of faith in the status quo often leads to dumb decisions and lurches toward extremes and populism. If labour mess this up the right wing fringe nut jobs are waiting in the wings to pounce. Exactly. And this is what weโve seen all over Europe lately, which is scary. I loved how Kylian Mbappe recently urged the youth to vote to reject "extremists", who he said were "at the gates of power". I hope Labour is able to play it well ๐ค www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgg8kdw190o
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jun 29, 2024 18:19:27 GMT 1, How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote. That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens.
How would to not vote help? I donโt think there is an ideal situation. What worries me is that the reasonable citizen seems to have lost faith that politics can provide solutions, or rather arrive at solutions that everyone can somewhat identify with. Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote. That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens.
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Onket
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jun 29, 2024 18:33:34 GMT 1, Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote. That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens. There are some great parties and some great candidates out there. But the FPTP system fucks their chances up.
People then don't vote for who they actually want, and vote for the least worst option instead, thereby rewarding the 2 or 3 main parties, none of which are going to change the FPTP system (and why would they, people are voting for them!).
So you get this 'let the other lot have a go' mentality, centrists and those right of centre switch to Labour thinking (sometimes boasting) that they are saving the country (but actually its because they are promising the same things, and they are 'safe', protected from any real change happening, god forbid) and so the cycle continues round and round and round.
Sigh. I didn't suggest or propose people shouldn't vote. That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens. There are some great parties and some great candidates out there. But the FPTP system fucks their chances up. People then don't vote for who they actually want, and vote for the least worst option instead, thereby rewarding the 2 or 3 main parties, none of which are going to change the FPTP system (and why would they, people are voting for them!). So you get this 'let the other lot have a go' mentality, centrists and those right of centre switch to Labour thinking (sometimes boasting) that they are saving the country (but actually its because they are promising the same things, and they are 'safe', protected from any real change happening, god forbid) and so the cycle continues round and round and round.
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jun 29, 2024 21:08:54 GMT 1, That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens. There are some great parties and some great candidates out there. But the FPTP system fucks their chances up. People then don't vote for who they actually want, and vote for the least worst option instead, thereby rewarding the 2 or 3 main parties, none of which are going to change the FPTP system (and why would they, people are voting for them!). So you get this 'let the other lot have a go' mentality, centrists and those right of centre switch to Labour thinking (sometimes boasting) that they are saving the country (but actually its because they are promising the same things, and they are 'safe', protected from any real change happening, god forbid) and so the cycle continues round and round and round. This is true, but it is also our system and intertwined with our entire political system. It may not feel democratic to everyone but still, in my view, our system is the best system there is. Rishi Sunak will undoubtedly not return. But much will also remain the same. The solution is within ourselves. Be humane. Anyways, football.
That is correct Onket, I didnt mean to imply this. It was just a question that came to my mind because there doesnโt seem to be a moderate party at present that has an answer to the frustrations of citizens. There are some great parties and some great candidates out there. But the FPTP system fucks their chances up. People then don't vote for who they actually want, and vote for the least worst option instead, thereby rewarding the 2 or 3 main parties, none of which are going to change the FPTP system (and why would they, people are voting for them!). So you get this 'let the other lot have a go' mentality, centrists and those right of centre switch to Labour thinking (sometimes boasting) that they are saving the country (but actually its because they are promising the same things, and they are 'safe', protected from any real change happening, god forbid) and so the cycle continues round and round and round. This is true, but it is also our system and intertwined with our entire political system. It may not feel democratic to everyone but still, in my view, our system is the best system there is. Rishi Sunak will undoubtedly not return. But much will also remain the same. The solution is within ourselves. Be humane. Anyways, football.
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Jun 30, 2024 5:05:30 GMT 1, My advice for anyone in the U.K. is unless youโre super rich with money hidden away all over the world, vote with your feet and get the fuck out. Nothing good is coming down the track, Labour wonโt make a blind bit of difference.
My advice for anyone in the U.K. is unless youโre super rich with money hidden away all over the world, vote with your feet and get the fuck out. Nothing good is coming down the track, Labour wonโt make a blind bit of difference.
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Labour V Conservative , by Daniel Silk on Jul 2, 2024 3:52:57 GMT 1,
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Labour V Conservative , by chablis on Jul 2, 2024 8:43:39 GMT 1, Reminds me of the old saying.
"How can you tell a Politician is lying?"
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Answer.. You can see their lips moving. :-)
Mau Mau, one of the wisest persons I know.
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But remember if you don't vote, you can't complain later.
Make your voice heard.
Reminds me of the old saying. "How can you tell a Politician is lying?" ![](https://i.ibb.co/b5bzHZZ/Wolf-Blue-2.jpg) ![](https://i.ibb.co/WvQ8X36/Wolf-Red-1.jpg) Answer.. You can see their lips moving. :-) Mau Mau, one of the wisest persons I know. #MauMau mau-mau.co.uk/shop/http://instagram.com/p/C8omQiAgE7z But remember if you don't vote, you can't complain later. Make your voice heard.
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Labour V Conservative , by Dive Jedi on Jul 2, 2024 8:59:32 GMT 1, This says it all.....
Hayden Kays
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This says it all..... Hayden Kays ![](https://i.ibb.co/hLHkHPf/Vote-HK.jpg)
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Labour V Conservative , by Hubble Bubble on Jul 2, 2024 10:47:07 GMT 1, Two cheeks of the same arse. With permission I shall be using this from now on... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
HB
Two cheeks of the same arse. With permission I shall be using this from now on... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) HB
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 2, 2024 11:41:51 GMT 1, I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots.
I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots.
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Labour V Conservative , by Daylight Robber on Jul 2, 2024 13:19:09 GMT 1, I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots. How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working?
I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots. How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working?
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 2, 2024 13:38:50 GMT 1, I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots. How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working? We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it?
I'm not anti-labour but their migrant policy is a complete joke. They say they will cancel the Rwanda scheme even if it's working and then they say they will "smash the gangs" by co-operating with the French. Yeah right. That's what the Tories have been trying to do for the last ten years. Labour must think we are all idiots. How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working? We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it?
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Labour V Conservative , by Acme Thunderer on Jul 2, 2024 14:09:21 GMT 1, How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working? We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it? At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.amp
Higher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option.
How do you figure that the Rwanda scheme is working? We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it? At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.ampHigher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 2, 2024 17:00:46 GMT 1, We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it? At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.ampHigher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option. Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet.
We don't know yet. But *if* the planes take off and *if* it is a good deterrent to migrant crossings then Labour are still going to cancel it. That doesn't really make sense, does it? At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.ampHigher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option. Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet.
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Labour V Conservative , by mojo on Jul 3, 2024 10:43:47 GMT 1,
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Jul 3, 2024 11:14:18 GMT 1, At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.ampHigher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option. Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet. Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right.
At the end of the day itโs one big merry-go-round. The Irish were complaining about people leaving the UK because of the Rwanda policy. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68914399.ampHigher immigration is partly due to population growth so maybe the only way to solve it long term is give the entire world free contraception - it might be the cheaper option. Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet. Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 3, 2024 12:59:33 GMT 1, Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet. Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right. We live on a finite planet with finite land to live on and finite resources (food, housing, etc). The idea that population numbers don't matter is simply absurd. There are currently over 8 million people. In the past 50 years the world population has nearly doubled. Yes, doubled. So in your child's lifetime, the population could easily exceed 16 billion and then jump to 32 billion, then 64 billion. And so it goes on. You think our planet will cope regardless? Really?
Most problems ultimately boil down to the fact that there are simply too many people on the planet. Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right. We live on a finite planet with finite land to live on and finite resources (food, housing, etc). The idea that population numbers don't matter is simply absurd. There are currently over 8 million people. In the past 50 years the world population has nearly doubled. Yes, doubled. So in your child's lifetime, the population could easily exceed 16 billion and then jump to 32 billion, then 64 billion. And so it goes on. You think our planet will cope regardless? Really?
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Jul 3, 2024 22:11:59 GMT 1, Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right. We live on a finite planet with finite land to live on and finite resources (food, housing, etc). The idea that population numbers don't matter is simply absurd. There are currently over 8 million people. In the past 50 years the world population has nearly doubled. Yes, doubled. So in your child's lifetime, the population could easily exceed 16 billion and then jump to 32 billion, then 64 billion. And so it goes on. You think our planet will cope regardless? Really? Can't really be bothered to pull that apart, but do some reading on population dynamics, birth rates and infant mortality rates and you'll see what you're saying is nonsense. The Earths population will plateau at about 10 billion and many predict will grow very slowly or even decline due to the current trend in decreasing fertility rates. In terms of finite resources, if we crack fusion that's pretty much infant energy, one example of how improved technology can make resources go much further.
Based on what? That is a ridiculous Malthusian idea thatโs been disproven time and time again. Resource is not the issue, people thought the Earthโs population was too high at 500m, thereโs ample resource. The issue is education and speed of innovation, right now there arenโt enough skilled people creating value due to backward thinking and the wrong incentives. Pretty much most challenges we face can be over come with human ingenuity and creativity if the incentives are right. We live on a finite planet with finite land to live on and finite resources (food, housing, etc). The idea that population numbers don't matter is simply absurd. There are currently over 8 million people. In the past 50 years the world population has nearly doubled. Yes, doubled. So in your child's lifetime, the population could easily exceed 16 billion and then jump to 32 billion, then 64 billion. And so it goes on. You think our planet will cope regardless? Really? Can't really be bothered to pull that apart, but do some reading on population dynamics, birth rates and infant mortality rates and you'll see what you're saying is nonsense. The Earths population will plateau at about 10 billion and many predict will grow very slowly or even decline due to the current trend in decreasing fertility rates. In terms of finite resources, if we crack fusion that's pretty much infant energy, one example of how improved technology can make resources go much further.
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Labour V Conservative , by Acme Thunderer on Jul 4, 2024 7:21:36 GMT 1, It doesnโt matter who you vote for, just make sure you vote today and donโt put it off. ๐
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It doesnโt matter who you vote for, just make sure you vote today and donโt put it off. ๐ ![](https://i.ibb.co/WWG32fC/IMG-7899.png)
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Labour V Conservative , by Onket on Jul 4, 2024 9:32:02 GMT 1, There is no 'migrant crisis' and the fact that Labour are just as happy to perpetuate this bollocks shows exactly what 'change' they offer to our country.
Saw this poll earlier-
48% of people voting Labour are only doing it to get the Tories out. 13% saying the country needs a change.
Only 5% doing it because they agree with labour policy. 1% because of Starmer's 'leadership'.
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x.com/YouGov/status/1808458226142196083
The system is entirely and completely fucked. Labour don't care because they are getting voted in. The Tories don't care because they know they've got another chance in 5 years when people inevitably get pissed off with Labour for not doing anything.
We had the chance for real progressive change very recently, and we all saw how that went.
If you vote today (and I wouldn't blame you at all for not bothering) please vote for a party who you believe in. Don't vote for someone because they aren't someone else, or because they stop someone else getting elected. Don't hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like. Be true to yourself.
There is no 'migrant crisis' and the fact that Labour are just as happy to perpetuate this bollocks shows exactly what 'change' they offer to our country. Saw this poll earlier- 48% of people voting Labour are only doing it to get the Tories out. 13% saying the country needs a change. Only 5% doing it because they agree with labour policy. 1% because of Starmer's 'leadership'. x.com/YouGov/status/1808458226142196083The system is entirely and completely fucked. Labour don't care because they are getting voted in. The Tories don't care because they know they've got another chance in 5 years when people inevitably get pissed off with Labour for not doing anything. We had the chance for real progressive change very recently, and we all saw how that went. If you vote today (and I wouldn't blame you at all for not bothering) please vote for a party who you believe in. Don't vote for someone because they aren't someone else, or because they stop someone else getting elected. Don't hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like. Be true to yourself.
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Labour V Conservative , by Bram on Jul 4, 2024 10:51:22 GMT 1, Against the old adage of never talk about money, politics, religion or back door prints, my two pennies worth is to exercise your right to vote. Large swaths of the world donโt so please do.
Politics and our political beliefs are full of contradiction and as you get older the shades of grey are more vibrant than any of the other colours, however your gut probably knows best and should your gut need attention, better to have a smaller waiting list to see a doctor.
Against the old adage of never talk about money, politics, religion or back door prints, my two pennies worth is to exercise your right to vote. Large swaths of the world donโt so please do.
Politics and our political beliefs are full of contradiction and as you get older the shades of grey are more vibrant than any of the other colours, however your gut probably knows best and should your gut need attention, better to have a smaller waiting list to see a doctor.
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Labour V Conservative , by mojo on Jul 4, 2024 12:19:09 GMT 1, Important reminder for anyone voting for Farage (rhymes with where you keep the car apparently...out the front?) you vote on Friday
Important reminder for anyone voting for Farage (rhymes with where you keep the car apparently...out the front?) you vote on Friday
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 4, 2024 12:27:27 GMT 1, Labour will obviously win but should they? It's not enough to simply be Not-The-Tory party.
Anyway, whoever you want to vote for, just vote. For all its drawbacks, the UK has one of the best democracies in the world. There are plenty of so-called democracies in other countries where the system is totally corrupt. Russia is a prime example. You can't vote out Putin. It's just not possible.
Value your vote. You are blessed to have such a privilege.
Labour will obviously win but should they? It's not enough to simply be Not-The-Tory party.
Anyway, whoever you want to vote for, just vote. For all its drawbacks, the UK has one of the best democracies in the world. There are plenty of so-called democracies in other countries where the system is totally corrupt. Russia is a prime example. You can't vote out Putin. It's just not possible.
Value your vote. You are blessed to have such a privilege.
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LJCal
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Labour V Conservative , by LJCal on Jul 5, 2024 0:26:37 GMT 1, There is no 'migrant crisis' and the fact that Labour are just as happy to perpetuate this bollocks shows exactly what 'change' they offer to our country. Saw this poll earlier- 48% of people voting Labour are only doing it to get the Tories out. 13% saying the country needs a change. Only 5% doing it because they agree with labour policy. 1% because of Starmer's 'leadership'. x.com/YouGov/status/1808458226142196083The system is entirely and completely fucked. Labour don't care because they are getting voted in. The Tories don't care because they know they've got another chance in 5 years when people inevitably get pissed off with Labour for not doing anything. We had the chance for real progressive change very recently, and we all saw how that went. If you vote today (and I wouldn't blame you at all for not bothering) please vote for a party who you believe in. Don't vote for someone because they aren't someone else, or because they stop someone else getting elected. Don't hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like. Be true to yourself. There absolutely is a migrant crisis in the UK. 50,000 illegal immigrants a year (that they know of), is a huge problem that needs sorting out. LSE believe there is a population of up to 800,000 people living illegally in the UK, that's basically the population of Birmingham who we have no idea who they are or what they're doing here. How is that remotely sustainable?
I'm a massive supporter of immigration and making a positive case for it, I believe given our fertility rate it's a necessity. However there has to be the correct checks and balances and any wealthy civilised country who wants to stay that way needs selective immigration, where people who add value should not only allowed but incentivised to come here. At the same time we need to retain the value creators which are now leaving in droves especially in last 5 years.
I firmly believe we need to keep out people who do not support our values of tolerance or are not willing to contribute and wish to take advantage of us as a nation or threaten people's property and safety. I don't know how any right thinking person who cares about their country could think otherwise. It's not blind nationalism, it's self preservation and common sense.
There is no 'migrant crisis' and the fact that Labour are just as happy to perpetuate this bollocks shows exactly what 'change' they offer to our country. Saw this poll earlier- 48% of people voting Labour are only doing it to get the Tories out. 13% saying the country needs a change. Only 5% doing it because they agree with labour policy. 1% because of Starmer's 'leadership'. x.com/YouGov/status/1808458226142196083The system is entirely and completely fucked. Labour don't care because they are getting voted in. The Tories don't care because they know they've got another chance in 5 years when people inevitably get pissed off with Labour for not doing anything. We had the chance for real progressive change very recently, and we all saw how that went. If you vote today (and I wouldn't blame you at all for not bothering) please vote for a party who you believe in. Don't vote for someone because they aren't someone else, or because they stop someone else getting elected. Don't hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like. Be true to yourself. There absolutely is a migrant crisis in the UK. 50,000 illegal immigrants a year (that they know of), is a huge problem that needs sorting out. LSE believe there is a population of up to 800,000 people living illegally in the UK, that's basically the population of Birmingham who we have no idea who they are or what they're doing here. How is that remotely sustainable? I'm a massive supporter of immigration and making a positive case for it, I believe given our fertility rate it's a necessity. However there has to be the correct checks and balances and any wealthy civilised country who wants to stay that way needs selective immigration, where people who add value should not only allowed but incentivised to come here. At the same time we need to retain the value creators which are now leaving in droves especially in last 5 years. I firmly believe we need to keep out people who do not support our values of tolerance or are not willing to contribute and wish to take advantage of us as a nation or threaten people's property and safety. I don't know how any right thinking person who cares about their country could think otherwise. It's not blind nationalism, it's self preservation and common sense.
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loui
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jul 5, 2024 0:34:34 GMT 1, I firmly believe we need to keep out people who do not support our values of toleranceโฆ Bye then ๐โโ๏ธ
I firmly believe we need to keep out people who do not support our values of toleranceโฆ Bye then ๐โโ๏ธ
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ubl
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Labour V Conservative , by ubl on Jul 5, 2024 0:44:36 GMT 1, It's funny to me, how no one sees an issue with the wealthiest families running the country, trying to contribute nothing, and draining the collective wealth (nhs, affordable housing, ...) out of society, but easily points at immigrants as the problem.
It's funny to me, how no one sees an issue with the wealthiest families running the country, trying to contribute nothing, and draining the collective wealth (nhs, affordable housing, ...) out of society, but easily points at immigrants as the problem.
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