Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 5, 2023 19:51:04 GMT 1, The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture.
But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society?
The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture.
But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by King and a Duck on Jul 5, 2023 19:53:50 GMT 1, I think it looks way better now. Canโt wait to receive it.
I think it looks way better now. Canโt wait to receive it.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 5, 2023 20:34:22 GMT 1, Like both a lot, would be hard to pick between the two if I had to, in saying that I have a lot of kitsch stuff. Iโm not a glass expert, but Iโd assume red and orange glass costs roughly the same? Think the comments would be roughly the same if the change was from red one to orange one.
Like both a lot, would be hard to pick between the two if I had to, in saying that I have a lot of kitsch stuff. Iโm not a glass expert, but Iโd assume red and orange glass costs roughly the same? Think the comments would be roughly the same if the change was from red one to orange one.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 5, 2023 20:44:32 GMT 1, Itโs also a change from a matt to a gloss finish, right?
Itโs also a change from a matt to a gloss finish, right?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by sevrin on Jul 5, 2023 20:46:37 GMT 1, Like both a lot, would be hard to pick between the two if I had to, in saying that I have a lot of kitsch stuff. Iโm not a glass expert, but Iโd assume red and orange glass costs roughly the same? Think the comments would be roughly the same if the change was from red one to orange one. Absolutely agree, they are both still made on 'Murano' and are of cast glass from an iron mould, one a bit more orangey red and frosted, the other a darker red and translucent, i don't think there would be much of a difference, if any, in production cost imho, and they are still both equally as beautiful! Ergo.....I will not be applying for a refund
Like both a lot, would be hard to pick between the two if I had to, in saying that I have a lot of kitsch stuff. Iโm not a glass expert, but Iโd assume red and orange glass costs roughly the same? Think the comments would be roughly the same if the change was from red one to orange one. Absolutely agree, they are both still made on 'Murano' and are of cast glass from an iron mould, one a bit more orangey red and frosted, the other a darker red and translucent, i don't think there would be much of a difference, if any, in production cost imho, and they are still both equally as beautiful! Ergo.....I will not be applying for a refund
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Wanchope
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Wanchope on Jul 5, 2023 20:55:44 GMT 1, Just got an update from Avant Arte - the artist has changed the materials and colour of the vase - no more Orange, now a deeper Red !!! They said if you dont like, you can request a refund - how nice ! Personally, I preferred the Orange ! What do people think of the new colour and any idea why Weiwei changed it now ? Thanks I definitely preferred the cloudy orange look rather than this one but I still like it
Just got an update from Avant Arte - the artist has changed the materials and colour of the vase - no more Orange, now a deeper Red !!! They said if you dont like, you can request a refund - how nice ! Personally, I preferred the Orange ! What do people think of the new colour and any idea why Weiwei changed it now ? Thanks I definitely preferred the cloudy orange look rather than this one but I still like it
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Avant Arte on Jul 5, 2023 20:55:44 GMT 1, By waiting list we mean people who have let us know that in case of cancellations they'd like to purchase a vase. Quite a few people from here messaged when they missed out on the pre-orders that they'd like to be put on the waiting list.
If you've entered your email address on our website then you'll be notified when the release goes live and the leftover allocation becomes available on July 26.
The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass
Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish.
If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like.
By waiting list we mean people who have let us know that in case of cancellations they'd like to purchase a vase. Quite a few people from here messaged when they missed out on the pre-orders that they'd like to be put on the waiting list. If you've entered your email address on our website then you'll be notified when the release goes live and the leftover allocation becomes available on July 26. The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish. If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like.
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Pawel
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 5, 2023 21:08:26 GMT 1, player.vimeo.com/video/842426844
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Charlie Bronson
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Charlie Bronson on Jul 5, 2023 21:56:01 GMT 1, Imho the orange looked much better. I think it was the mat/cloudy glass effect that made it look like an art piece/sculpture, as opposed to the updated clear/glossy red that makes it look like a Coke brand glass jar that grandma would put her cookies in. Regardless, Iโll still try in a couple of weeks.
Imho the orange looked much better. I think it was the mat/cloudy glass effect that made it look like an art piece/sculpture, as opposed to the updated clear/glossy red that makes it look like a Coke brand glass jar that grandma would put her cookies in. Regardless, Iโll still try in a couple of weeks.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 5, 2023 22:03:39 GMT 1, The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish. If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like. I donโt get why Ai Weiwei would chose to make this look like a much cheaper artwork? It looks nowhere near as good as the matt orange finish. Surely gloss is just lower budget than matt?
Did Avante Art just spend too much of their budget on tote bags, branded white gloves, and expensive packaging?
The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish. If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like. I donโt get why Ai Weiwei would chose to make this look like a much cheaper artwork? It looks nowhere near as good as the matt orange finish. Surely gloss is just lower budget than matt? Did Avante Art just spend too much of their budget on tote bags, branded white gloves, and expensive packaging?
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Wanchope
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Wanchope on Jul 5, 2023 22:20:51 GMT 1, Just a thought, but it does seem that overall the original colour and smoked look to the glass is generally preferred over this version. With this in mind would he consider sticking with the original and then releasing this version too? Seems strange to change a piece so much after orders have been made.
I ask the above with upmost respect to the artist and yourselves, but it surely is worth considering.
all the best
Just a thought, but it does seem that overall the original colour and smoked look to the glass is generally preferred over this version. With this in mind would he consider sticking with the original and then releasing this version too? Seems strange to change a piece so much after orders have been made.
I ask the above with upmost respect to the artist and yourselves, but it surely is worth considering.
all the best
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by orchid on Jul 5, 2023 22:26:43 GMT 1, It is a shame and strange decision and does seem an amateur or unprofessional backtrack. Doubt they'll be any cancellations though, still an iconic motif and good price.
It is a shame and strange decision and does seem an amateur or unprofessional backtrack. Doubt they'll be any cancellations though, still an iconic motif and good price.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 5, 2023 22:27:24 GMT 1, I completely get the concept of the artโฆ but I wouldnโt want to display either of these vases. At least the cloudy orange didnโt look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop.
Still reckon this is the best version of incorporating Coke branding with a powerful messageโฆ
I completely get the concept of the artโฆ but I wouldnโt want to display either of these vases. At least the cloudy orange didnโt look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop. Still reckon this is the best version of incorporating Coke branding with a powerful messageโฆ
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by topper on Jul 5, 2023 22:29:36 GMT 1, Well I really like it. The orange one was great but subtle. IMO this piece deserves to be bold and it now demands to be looked at. I don't think it looks cheap, it's not like frosted glass is new and stylish. It will make a great centrepiece and the red is a nod to both China and Coca-Cola. Wait until you see the photos of these coming in on shelves, they'll look stunning.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind getting hold of the orange one sitting in the Design Museum. Come on Avant-Art, competition time!
Well I really like it. The orange one was great but subtle. IMO this piece deserves to be bold and it now demands to be looked at. I don't think it looks cheap, it's not like frosted glass is new and stylish. It will make a great centrepiece and the red is a nod to both China and Coca-Cola. Wait until you see the photos of these coming in on shelves, they'll look stunning.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind getting hold of the orange one sitting in the Design Museum. Come on Avant-Art, competition time!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by jp on Jul 5, 2023 22:45:17 GMT 1, The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece.
Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer.
The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 5, 2023 23:23:46 GMT 1, The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. I think Londown made a good point, but itโs actually more an issue with the red version. The orange version says โsomething non-Coke related that somehow has the Coke logoโ (and also matches the matt finish of the earthenware pottery). The red shiny version just says โpot with Coke logo and colour schemeโ.
The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. I think Londown made a good point, but itโs actually more an issue with the red version. The orange version says โsomething non-Coke related that somehow has the Coke logoโ (and also matches the matt finish of the earthenware pottery). The red shiny version just says โpot with Coke logo and colour schemeโ.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 5, 2023 23:25:14 GMT 1, I truly hope that Avant Arte will listen to the feedback and reverse this poor decision.
I donโt see how they can go forward with any credibility otherwise.
I truly hope that Avant Arte will listen to the feedback and reverse this poor decision.
I donโt see how they can go forward with any credibility otherwise.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Arty Farty 15 on Jul 5, 2023 23:36:03 GMT 1, Iโm sure if those who are unhappy with the AA colour change, they signed a resale agreement on the understanding of it being an orange vaseโฆ so perhaps that agreement can be thrown out with the orange frosted version too
Iโm sure if those who are unhappy with the AA colour change, they signed a resale agreement on the understanding of it being an orange vaseโฆ so perhaps that agreement can be thrown out with the orange frosted version too
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 6, 2023 0:41:44 GMT 1, I truly hope that Avant Arte will listen to the feedback and reverse this poor decision. I donโt see how they can go forward with any credibility otherwise. Oh come on. Unless you decorated.the whole apartment with that orange in mind, a full refund is an option here.
I truly hope that Avant Arte will listen to the feedback and reverse this poor decision. I donโt see how they can go forward with any credibility otherwise. Oh come on. Unless you decorated.the whole apartment with that orange in mind, a full refund is an option here.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Dinin on Jul 6, 2023 1:01:34 GMT 1, I liked the orange version but the red is stunning in its own way, and more in keeping with AWW's other works. I definitely preferred the smoky/frosted look and would certainly like to see how the piece would look with just the colour chsnge, and not the finish. I missed out on the presale so if anyone has buyer's remorse thanks to the new colour then I'll gladly take your place in the queue as it were.
I liked the orange version but the red is stunning in its own way, and more in keeping with AWW's other works. I definitely preferred the smoky/frosted look and would certainly like to see how the piece would look with just the colour chsnge, and not the finish. I missed out on the presale so if anyone has buyer's remorse thanks to the new colour then I'll gladly take your place in the queue as it were.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by hui on Jul 6, 2023 1:46:19 GMT 1, I wasn't even aware of the pre-sale. Flippers, take my money.
I wasn't even aware of the pre-sale. Flippers, take my money.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by buffin on Jul 6, 2023 8:19:24 GMT 1, The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. Historically red glass was expensive to make and much sought after so perhaps more in keeping with the theme. That being said it is strange that such a drastic change is made so late in the day. Perhaps more to this than we are being told.
The problem with these for me is not that they are visually rather unappealing but that the whole original message is lost. The "CocaCola" is supposed to deface the beautiful, unique and culturally valuable artefact - and thereby first and foremost criticise consumer culture. But what is this release if not just another commodity for a globalised consumer society? I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. Historically red glass was expensive to make and much sought after so perhaps more in keeping with the theme. That being said it is strange that such a drastic change is made so late in the day. Perhaps more to this than we are being told.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Jul 6, 2023 11:47:16 GMT 1, I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. Historically red glass was expensive to make and much sought after so perhaps more in keeping with the theme. That being said it is strange that such a drastic change is made so late in the day. Perhaps more to this than we are being told. Indeed. I find it hard to accept that AWW has suddenly changed his mind regarding colour and finish on this piece so late in the process. Why would he do that? If he thinks it's best being red and shiny then why would he originally say make it orange and smoky matt finish? It doesn't really make sense. All very odd.
I had to login just to like this. I'm sure fans who pre-purchased this piece don't want to hear your rational, well-reasoned critique of why this piece doesn't work. But as it is now, most people who see the original orange or new red version of this vase will simply see a Coca Cola vase and assume you love Coca Cola. The entire original meaning is lost. Of course it's an opportunity to educate someone about AWW and his art but having to explain everything says a lot about the failings of the piece. Instead of making a change to the color, which now makes it even more directly tied to the Coca Cola brand, I wish the artist completely re-designed the piece to provoke more thought for the viewer. Historically red glass was expensive to make and much sought after so perhaps more in keeping with the theme. That being said it is strange that such a drastic change is made so late in the day. Perhaps more to this than we are being told. Indeed. I find it hard to accept that AWW has suddenly changed his mind regarding colour and finish on this piece so late in the process. Why would he do that? If he thinks it's best being red and shiny then why would he originally say make it orange and smoky matt finish? It doesn't really make sense. All very odd.
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2023 11:50:34 GMT 1, At least the cloudy orange didnโt look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop Yes, looks like a Cola Cola item with "Coca Cola" written on it.
However... ... if this is a conscious artistic choice, then there could be more to it than we see. But honestly (this is directed at Avant Arte), you would really have to make a better effort and elaborate on HOW the change aligns "more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice". Otherwise these just sound like the fancy phrasings that you get all over the art world, but that are really empty and meaningless.
At least the cloudy orange didnโt look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop Yes, looks like a Cola Cola item with "Coca Cola" written on it. However... ... if this is a conscious artistic choice, then there could be more to it than we see. But honestly (this is directed at Avant Arte), you would really have to make a better effort and elaborate on HOW the change aligns "more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice". Otherwise these just sound like the fancy phrasings that you get all over the art world, but that are really empty and meaningless.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Someone Like You on Jul 6, 2023 12:25:34 GMT 1, It's very simple, the orange was more reminiscent of a ceramic vase, that is how it should be originally, a wicked and even more serious choice made a few days after its release. I hope that AA at least they explain to us why it was done like this, not with cliches.
It's very simple, the orange was more reminiscent of a ceramic vase, that is how it should be originally, a wicked and even more serious choice made a few days after its release. I hope that AA at least they explain to us why it was done like this, not with cliches.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Ads Army on Jul 6, 2023 13:15:33 GMT 1, I am certain this is production cost related, Orange being much more than the Red !
I am certain this is production cost related, Orange being much more than the Red !
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 13:34:57 GMT 1, I might have been a bit tough on Avant and I'm sure the artist's decision here was the factor - it might even be that the red finish is _more_ expensive than the orange. But I think it would help if Avant gave a more detailed explanation or more of an insight into the artist's vision.
It occurred to me overnight that in this new hybrid object shiny red is not only reminiscent of Coca Cola but also of blood...
I might have been a bit tough on Avant and I'm sure the artist's decision here was the factor - it might even be that the red finish is _more_ expensive than the orange. But I think it would help if Avant gave a more detailed explanation or more of an insight into the artist's vision.
It occurred to me overnight that in this new hybrid object shiny red is not only reminiscent of Coca Cola but also of blood...
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by bookends on Jul 6, 2023 13:49:20 GMT 1, Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses
Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Happy Shopper on Jul 6, 2023 13:54:03 GMT 1, Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses You may have accidentally hit upon the very point of how these look. Like the free glasses, but in the shape of an antique vase!
Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses You may have accidentally hit upon the very point of how these look. Like the free glasses, but in the shape of an antique vase!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Jul 6, 2023 13:56:55 GMT 1, I am certain this is production cost related, Orange being much more than the Red ! I don't get it. Why would one colour be more expensive to produce than another? If you bought an orange beach ball for your child, would you expect it to be more expensive than a red one?
I am certain this is production cost related, Orange being much more than the Red ! I don't get it. Why would one colour be more expensive to produce than another? If you bought an orange beach ball for your child, would you expect it to be more expensive than a red one?
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