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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 14:11:58 GMT 1, The difference partly is in process - one was burnished matt, the other gloss.
But also with the colour, making glasswear is not at all the same as making plastic. The stability of the colour can be different. I’m hearing that a red gloss finish might actually be more difficult to make than orange.
The difference partly is in process - one was burnished matt, the other gloss.
But also with the colour, making glasswear is not at all the same as making plastic. The stability of the colour can be different. I’m hearing that a red gloss finish might actually be more difficult to make than orange.
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Dinin
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Dinin on Jul 6, 2023 14:25:18 GMT 1, I wonder if they had issues faithfully recreating the original process - maybe an issue with sourcing raw materials, or a happy accident creating a version the artist preferred? As to his vision for the piece - if the red version more accurately reflects his vision then he must have compromised on the version he allowed to be in his original exhibition. If not, then he's compromising now. It's certainly an odd state of affairs and warrants a more detailed explanation - although I do like the idea of the vase being made to reflect the McDonald's glasses. Maybe that meaning will be ascribed after the fact!
I wonder if they had issues faithfully recreating the original process - maybe an issue with sourcing raw materials, or a happy accident creating a version the artist preferred? As to his vision for the piece - if the red version more accurately reflects his vision then he must have compromised on the version he allowed to be in his original exhibition. If not, then he's compromising now. It's certainly an odd state of affairs and warrants a more detailed explanation - although I do like the idea of the vase being made to reflect the McDonald's glasses. Maybe that meaning will be ascribed after the fact!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by King and a Duck on Jul 6, 2023 15:08:58 GMT 1,
To be fair... it was always advertised as being red glass.
To be fair... it was always advertised as being red glass.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 16:27:44 GMT 1, To be fair... it was always advertised as being red glass. Good spot!
To be fair... it was always advertised as being red glass. Good spot!
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 18:02:48 GMT 1, I wonder if they had issues faithfully recreating the original process - maybe an issue with sourcing raw materials, or a happy accident creating a version the artist preferred? As to his vision for the piece - if the red version more accurately reflects his vision then he must have compromised on the version he allowed to be in his original exhibition. If not, then he's compromising now. It's certainly an odd state of affairs and warrants a more detailed explanation - although I do like the idea of the vase being made to reflect the McDonald's glasses. Maybe that meaning will be ascribed after the fact! The pot wasn’t part of the exhibition though, it was just on display in the gift shop.
I’m now convinced that this was artist intention not production issues.
I wonder if they had issues faithfully recreating the original process - maybe an issue with sourcing raw materials, or a happy accident creating a version the artist preferred? As to his vision for the piece - if the red version more accurately reflects his vision then he must have compromised on the version he allowed to be in his original exhibition. If not, then he's compromising now. It's certainly an odd state of affairs and warrants a more detailed explanation - although I do like the idea of the vase being made to reflect the McDonald's glasses. Maybe that meaning will be ascribed after the fact! The pot wasn’t part of the exhibition though, it was just on display in the gift shop. I’m now convinced that this was artist intention not production issues.
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nobokov
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2023 18:03:08 GMT 1, At least the cloudy orange didn’t look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop Yes, looks like a Cola Cola item with "Coca Cola" written on it. However... ... if this is a conscious artistic choice, then there could be more to it than we see. But honestly (this is directed at Avant Arte), you would really have to make a better effort and elaborate on HOW the change aligns "more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice". Otherwise these just sound like the fancy phrasings that you get all over the art world, but that are really empty and meaningless. I'm just thankful no one's used the word "oeuvre" yet.
At least the cloudy orange didn’t look like something you would get from the Coca Cola gift shop Yes, looks like a Cola Cola item with "Coca Cola" written on it. However... ... if this is a conscious artistic choice, then there could be more to it than we see. But honestly (this is directed at Avant Arte), you would really have to make a better effort and elaborate on HOW the change aligns "more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice". Otherwise these just sound like the fancy phrasings that you get all over the art world, but that are really empty and meaningless. I'm just thankful no one's used the word "oeuvre" yet.
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sevrin
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by sevrin on Jul 6, 2023 18:52:04 GMT 1, Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses You may have accidentally hit upon the very point of how these look. Like the free glasses, but in the shape of an antique vase! Indeed, making it more translucent red and commercial looking like these glasses but within the aesthetic of an ancient vase, may make it somehow more poignant than the earlier piece, perhaps this is what he means when he says about aligning it more closely to his original vision for the vase.
Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses You may have accidentally hit upon the very point of how these look. Like the free glasses, but in the shape of an antique vase! Indeed, making it more translucent red and commercial looking like these glasses but within the aesthetic of an ancient vase, may make it somehow more poignant than the earlier piece, perhaps this is what he means when he says about aligning it more closely to his original vision for the vase.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 19:10:32 GMT 1, I’ve actually grown to like the red now that I’ve had time to process it. I think it’s more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted. The use of colour does more for the piece than the orange, which was just a nice colour. The artist considers it the stronger option too, which I have to respect.
I’ve actually grown to like the red now that I’ve had time to process it. I think it’s more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted. The use of colour does more for the piece than the orange, which was just a nice colour. The artist considers it the stronger option too, which I have to respect.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Jul 6, 2023 19:31:28 GMT 1, I assume that's the point
Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses
I assume that's the point Any more adjustments and it will fit in with the free Mcdonalds glasses
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2023 19:37:00 GMT 1, the red (is) more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted I also don't mind the colour: but what you're saying is just not in line with the original pieces. They are anything but "visceral, and opulent" and the point is that they are the opposite of the products of hyper-commercial, globalised brands as Coca Cola.
the red (is) more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted I also don't mind the colour: but what you're saying is just not in line with the original pieces. They are anything but "visceral, and opulent" and the point is that they are the opposite of the products of hyper-commercial, globalised brands as Coca Cola.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 6, 2023 19:40:17 GMT 1, I had a screenshot of the original web site copy, which also says red...
I had a screenshot of the original web site copy, which also says red...
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blurp
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Jul 6, 2023 20:49:29 GMT 1, has anyone actually asked the artist?
the red (is) more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted I also don't mind the colour: but what you're saying is just not in line with the original pieces. They are anything but "visceral, and opulent" and the point is that they are the opposite of the products of hyper-commercial, globalised brands as Coca Cola.
has anyone actually asked the artist? the red (is) more seductive, visceral, and opulent, whilst also reflecting the brand it has adopted I also don't mind the colour: but what you're saying is just not in line with the original pieces. They are anything but "visceral, and opulent" and the point is that they are the opposite of the products of hyper-commercial, globalised brands as Coca Cola.
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pertikis
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by pertikis on Jul 6, 2023 21:11:26 GMT 1, I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf!
Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking"
I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking"
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by 321- on Jul 6, 2023 21:52:35 GMT 1, I had a screenshot of the original web site copy, which also says red... And translucent.
I had a screenshot of the original web site copy, which also says red... And translucent.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 6, 2023 23:17:39 GMT 1, I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left.
I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left.
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sevrin
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by sevrin on Jul 7, 2023 0:01:00 GMT 1, I wonder how many of the 'original' vases were actually made, obviously the one on show at the design museum, but maybe a few more test pieces? it will be interesting to see if any of them, or just that one, ever become available, maybe as AP editions in the future?.......or maybe Weiwei may break them, or it, in a symbolic gesture!
I wonder how many of the 'original' vases were actually made, obviously the one on show at the design museum, but maybe a few more test pieces? it will be interesting to see if any of them, or just that one, ever become available, maybe as AP editions in the future?.......or maybe Weiwei may break them, or it, in a symbolic gesture!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by sevrin on Jul 7, 2023 0:23:00 GMT 1, I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left. The original comment by 'Patrick Mc Curdy' is not very well observed, as even a cursory Google search will show a varying array of Murano glass in different styles, the original vase however is much more in keeping with the style of 'Lalique' who very often used a frosted style of glass for his sculptural pieces, made in Alsace, France.
I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left. The original comment by 'Patrick Mc Curdy' is not very well observed, as even a cursory Google search will show a varying array of Murano glass in different styles, the original vase however is much more in keeping with the style of 'Lalique' who very often used a frosted style of glass for his sculptural pieces, made in Alsace, France.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 7, 2023 5:13:13 GMT 1, That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left. The original comment by 'Patrick Mc Curdy' is not very well observed, as even a cursory Google search will show a varying array of Murano glass in different styles, the original vase however is much more in keeping with the style of 'Lalique' who very often used a frosted style of glass for his sculptural pieces, made in Alsace, France. Rene Lalique brought 'pate de verre' into vogue in France. Its glass powder melted into a mold. Murano is blown. I guess the cherry cough drop vase is more Murano-esque. Different styles, I prefer the Lalique/ Pate de Verre style.
That's a bit disappointing. The one on the left looks like 'Pate de Verre' and I was all excited about that. The one on the right looks like in was cast in a factory in 1940 America. Either way, its a Weiwei, but I prefer the one on the left. The original comment by 'Patrick Mc Curdy' is not very well observed, as even a cursory Google search will show a varying array of Murano glass in different styles, the original vase however is much more in keeping with the style of 'Lalique' who very often used a frosted style of glass for his sculptural pieces, made in Alsace, France. Rene Lalique brought 'pate de verre' into vogue in France. Its glass powder melted into a mold. Murano is blown. I guess the cherry cough drop vase is more Murano-esque. Different styles, I prefer the Lalique/ Pate de Verre style.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by kai22 on Jul 7, 2023 6:08:10 GMT 1, AWW’s response is disappointing- conceptually and aesthetically
AWW’s response is disappointing- conceptually and aesthetically
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by alberti on Jul 7, 2023 7:05:28 GMT 1, AWW’s response is disappointing- conceptually and aesthetically Well, to all of you wondering or questioning AWW... orange or red, what type of glass... but why oh why??? Here is AWW replies. Ahahaha!!
AWW’s response is disappointing- conceptually and aesthetically Well, to all of you wondering or questioning AWW... orange or red, what type of glass... but why oh why??? Here is AWW replies. Ahahaha!!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Jul 7, 2023 12:25:51 GMT 1, I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" So AWW seems to be saying that "more glass looking" is a good thing. I"m not sure why he thinks that. When you see them side by side, I much prefer the orange frosted look. The red one looks cheap and tacky in comparison.
Although I would still be happy to own either one.
I just read on twitter that a man asked Ai Weiwei today: @aiww genuinely curious about your decision to change glass types for this edition. The left (old) has a more traditional Murano look while the right is more Coca-Cola souvenir. Will put either on my shelf! Ai Weiwei replied: "more glass looking" So AWW seems to be saying that "more glass looking" is a good thing. I"m not sure why he thinks that. When you see them side by side, I much prefer the orange frosted look. The red one looks cheap and tacky in comparison. Although I would still be happy to own either one.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by JW on Jul 7, 2023 13:07:09 GMT 1, Really confused about the reaction to the update.
People originally complained that it was orange, now people are complaining that it's not?
Interested to see whether it's those who actually bought that are disappointed or mainly those who missed out...
I liked the first version and bought it right after leaving the exhibition (first Saturday). But I honestly like the new version even more. Would maybe prefer it to be frosted but do prefe the deep cherry red more than the orange.
Happy either way.
Really confused about the reaction to the update.
People originally complained that it was orange, now people are complaining that it's not?
Interested to see whether it's those who actually bought that are disappointed or mainly those who missed out...
I liked the first version and bought it right after leaving the exhibition (first Saturday). But I honestly like the new version even more. Would maybe prefer it to be frosted but do prefe the deep cherry red more than the orange.
Happy either way.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 7, 2023 13:47:12 GMT 1, Like it more. And the “cheap” etc comments cement that more. It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Think I’ll be far more comfortable putting the red thing in my humble abode than the orange one tbh.
Haven’t seen anyone that bought one being overly disappointed. Anyone getting a refund?
Like it more. And the “cheap” etc comments cement that more. It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Think I’ll be far more comfortable putting the red thing in my humble abode than the orange one tbh.
Haven’t seen anyone that bought one being overly disappointed. Anyone getting a refund?
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 7, 2023 13:51:08 GMT 1, There are a few questions "discussed" here that need to be separated:
i) Personal preference of the colour (and finish): a matter of taste.
ii) How the change in colour and finish alters the meaning and message of the piece: Hard to say; that comment of Weiwei's should have shed some light on that, but it was one odd reply (very disappointing I think)
iii) How the new colour and finish align with the Ai Weiwei's oeuvre (yes nobokov, this one is just for you: but that is also what Avant Arte alluded to when they said "wider practice")
There are a few questions "discussed" here that need to be separated:
i) Personal preference of the colour (and finish): a matter of taste.
ii) How the change in colour and finish alters the meaning and message of the piece: Hard to say; that comment of Weiwei's should have shed some light on that, but it was one odd reply (very disappointing I think)
iii) How the new colour and finish align with the Ai Weiwei's oeuvre (yes nobokov, this one is just for you: but that is also what Avant Arte alluded to when they said "wider practice")
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 7, 2023 13:52:48 GMT 1, It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious
It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 7, 2023 14:04:51 GMT 1, It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious I often don’t know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was “cheap” looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing.
I’m writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note.
It’s a 900$ glass vase with coke cola written on it. It’s perfect. Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious I often don’t know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was “cheap” looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing. I’m writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 7, 2023 14:10:09 GMT 1, People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art.
That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories.
People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art.
That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 7, 2023 14:18:14 GMT 1, Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these
Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 7, 2023 14:46:11 GMT 1, Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious I often don’t know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was “cheap” looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing. I’m writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note. But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant?
Sometimes I don't know whether you're being ironic/ sarcastic or serious I often don’t know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was “cheap” looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing. I’m writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note. But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 7, 2023 14:48:53 GMT 1, Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these I get it, but their give their reason and not it's kind of a dead end. It's all speculation now.
Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these I get it, but their give their reason and not it's kind of a dead end. It's all speculation now.
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