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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Avant Arte on Jul 14, 2023 14:06:17 GMT 1, But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good.
So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry.
Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism.
But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good. So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry. Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism.
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lukas01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by lukas01 on Jul 14, 2023 14:47:25 GMT 1, But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good. So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry. Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism. A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano.
I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum.
Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off.
Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐
Luca
* sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator.
But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good. So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry. Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism. A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator.
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 14, 2023 15:09:03 GMT 1, I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Am I right in assuming that you are talking about me? ... I should not be doing this but:
a) I was not talking to AA but another user b) We're finally having a discussion about the meaning & design of a piece c) Therefore I was not trying to piss off anyone d) You make too many assumptions about people you don't know e) AA is not a charity, they're a business f) You're not Italian, you are French, because Lroy is too g) (continue this list as you please)
I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Am I right in assuming that you are talking about me? ... I should not be doing this but: a) I was not talking to AA but another user b) We're finally having a discussion about the meaning & design of a piece c) Therefore I was not trying to piss off anyone d) You make too many assumptions about people you don't know e) AA is not a charity, they're a business f) You're not Italian, you are French, because Lroy is too g) (continue this list as you please)
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Avant Arte
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Avant Arte on Jul 14, 2023 15:48:40 GMT 1, A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. No worries, Google translate is working fine. And it's lovely to hear you enjoy our work with artists.
I think something to remember is that in any online space most of the people reading won't ever comment. We don't know their story or their life. And while it's easy to assume all sorts of things from the loudest voices here it's probably best not to. I find that while emotions can run high, it's understandable that people have concerns or curiosities about the work we do with artists.
I'm the community manager for Avant Arte so I spend a lot of my time talking to collectors here, on Discord and Twitter. While collecting art is indeed a privilege that not everyone can afford so easily I do think you'd be surprised by how varied the collector base is. I've talked to collectors who didn't have any pieces from Ai Weiwei yet, collectors for who it's their first piece in their art collection, collectors who are long time Ai Weiwei fans, collectors who have large collections, collectors who had to save up for this piece.
Interesting what you're saying about buying Murano glass in a shop for 400eu. I think it's also a question of what you assign value too. A vase you buy at a shop for 30 eu > a Murano vase you buy for 400 > an Ai Weiwei Murano vase you buy for 900eu. All glass vases, yet there is a difference in perceived value based on who makes them, where they are made and for who they are made.
A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. No worries, Google translate is working fine. And it's lovely to hear you enjoy our work with artists. I think something to remember is that in any online space most of the people reading won't ever comment. We don't know their story or their life. And while it's easy to assume all sorts of things from the loudest voices here it's probably best not to. I find that while emotions can run high, it's understandable that people have concerns or curiosities about the work we do with artists. I'm the community manager for Avant Arte so I spend a lot of my time talking to collectors here, on Discord and Twitter. While collecting art is indeed a privilege that not everyone can afford so easily I do think you'd be surprised by how varied the collector base is. I've talked to collectors who didn't have any pieces from Ai Weiwei yet, collectors for who it's their first piece in their art collection, collectors who are long time Ai Weiwei fans, collectors who have large collections, collectors who had to save up for this piece. Interesting what you're saying about buying Murano glass in a shop for 400eu. I think it's also a question of what you assign value too. A vase you buy at a shop for 30 eu > a Murano vase you buy for 400 > an Ai Weiwei Murano vase you buy for 900eu. All glass vases, yet there is a difference in perceived value based on who makes them, where they are made and for who they are made.
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lukas01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by lukas01 on Jul 14, 2023 15:52:03 GMT 1, I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Am I right in assuming that you are talking about me? ... I should not be doing this but: a) I was not talking to AA but another user b) We're finally having a discussion about the meaning & design of a piece c) Therefore I was not trying to piss off anyone d) You make too many assumptions about people you don't know e) AA is not a charity, they're a business f) You're not Italian, you are French, because Lroy is too g) (continue this list as you please) LOL Did you get into the 80% yourself? I wasn't talking about Lroy. I was talking to Avantarte.com ... which is certainly not a charity ... but which nevertheless collaborates in creating "cultural wealth" ... through its selection work made available to collectors. Good evening.
I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Am I right in assuming that you are talking about me? ... I should not be doing this but: a) I was not talking to AA but another user b) We're finally having a discussion about the meaning & design of a piece c) Therefore I was not trying to piss off anyone d) You make too many assumptions about people you don't know e) AA is not a charity, they're a business f) You're not Italian, you are French, because Lroy is too g) (continue this list as you please) LOL Did you get into the 80% yourself? I wasn't talking about Lroy. I was talking to Avantarte.com ... which is certainly not a charity ... but which nevertheless collaborates in creating "cultural wealth" ... through its selection work made available to collectors. Good evening.
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lukas01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by lukas01 on Jul 14, 2023 16:18:00 GMT 1, A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. No worries, Google translate is working fine. And it's lovely to hear you enjoy our work with artists. I think something to remember is that in any online space most of the people reading won't ever comment. We don't know their story or their life. And while it's easy to assume all sorts of things from the loudest voices here it's probably best not to. I find that while emotions can run high, it's understandable that people have concerns or curiosities about the work we do with artists. I'm the community manager for Avant Arte so I spend a lot of my time talking to collectors here, on Discord and Twitter. While collecting art is indeed a privilege that not everyone can afford so easily I do think you'd be surprised by how varied the collector base is. I've talked to collectors who didn't have any pieces from Ai Weiwei yet, collectors for who it's their first piece in their art collection, collectors who are long time Ai Weiwei fans, collectors who have large collections, collectors who had to save up for this piece. Interesting what you're saying about buying Murano glass in a shop for 400eu. I think it's also a question of what you assign value too. A vase you buy at a shop for 30 eu > a Murano vase you buy for 400 > an Ai Weiwei Murano vase you buy for 900eu. All glass vases, yet there is a difference in perceived value based on who makes them, where they are made and for who they are made.
You know how to do your job well. You need to create conditions for the interlocutor to be comfortable. I do not work with Avantarte.com and I can do otherwise. Of course... there are also some valid collectors in here... I don't doubt it. ;-)
Murano glass has its history and its value. We Italians know very well what we are talking about when we refer to the excellent factories of Murano.
Ai Weiwei has chosen to make this union between glass art and contemporary art, creating something unique as well as extraordinary.
Good continuation... and good commercial expansion.
Always remain humble and accessible to all. Even to those who can allocate a small amount of money to their passion for art.
Luca
Some examples of valid Murano glass... www.astrua.com/it/venini
A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. No worries, Google translate is working fine. And it's lovely to hear you enjoy our work with artists. I think something to remember is that in any online space most of the people reading won't ever comment. We don't know their story or their life. And while it's easy to assume all sorts of things from the loudest voices here it's probably best not to. I find that while emotions can run high, it's understandable that people have concerns or curiosities about the work we do with artists. I'm the community manager for Avant Arte so I spend a lot of my time talking to collectors here, on Discord and Twitter. While collecting art is indeed a privilege that not everyone can afford so easily I do think you'd be surprised by how varied the collector base is. I've talked to collectors who didn't have any pieces from Ai Weiwei yet, collectors for who it's their first piece in their art collection, collectors who are long time Ai Weiwei fans, collectors who have large collections, collectors who had to save up for this piece. Interesting what you're saying about buying Murano glass in a shop for 400eu. I think it's also a question of what you assign value too. A vase you buy at a shop for 30 eu > a Murano vase you buy for 400 > an Ai Weiwei Murano vase you buy for 900eu. All glass vases, yet there is a difference in perceived value based on who makes them, where they are made and for who they are made. You know how to do your job well. You need to create conditions for the interlocutor to be comfortable. I do not work with Avantarte.com and I can do otherwise. Of course... there are also some valid collectors in here... I don't doubt it. ;-) Murano glass has its history and its value. We Italians know very well what we are talking about when we refer to the excellent factories of Murano. Ai Weiwei has chosen to make this union between glass art and contemporary art, creating something unique as well as extraordinary. Good continuation... and good commercial expansion. Always remain humble and accessible to all. Even to those who can allocate a small amount of money to their passion for art. Luca Some examples of valid Murano glass... www.astrua.com/it/venini
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Gentle Mental
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Gentle Mental on Jul 14, 2023 17:18:39 GMT 1, Red is China. Red is Coca Cola. Red is blood. Itโs pretty much facts. Not even subjective.
Orange isโฆ. Pretty? I think it was a mistake- I think thatโs why itโs been changed.
For real juxtaposition /contrast - between commercialism vs history etc etc get the original. Orange wonโt help.
Red is China. Red is Coca Cola. Red is blood. Itโs pretty much facts. Not even subjective.
Orange isโฆ. Pretty? I think it was a mistake- I think thatโs why itโs been changed.
For real juxtaposition /contrast - between commercialism vs history etc etc get the original. Orange wonโt help.
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gus
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 14, 2023 22:43:14 GMT 1, Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition How is there "no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore" if the red vase means china, coke cola, blood?
Imho that is one of the weirdest things I've read on the forum lol Can't think of a color that evokes more clashes "of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore"... I'd also add communism to it to the list.
Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition How is there "no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore" if the red vase means china, coke cola, blood? Imho that is one of the weirdest things I've read on the forum lol Can't think of a color that evokes more clashes "of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore"... I'd also add communism to it to the list.
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gus
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 14, 2023 22:55:34 GMT 1, It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good. So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry. Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism. A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation?
Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way.
Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase.
It's always interesting to see people's take on an art work. I don't see the red as China or Blood but I make no claim as to what Weiwei's intentions might have been. It reminded me personally of 'cranberry glass' straight away. While dark red glass today is still difficult to make it used to be even more complex. The romans first created this dark red glass or cranberry glass by mixing in gold chloride which would be produced by dissolving gold in acid. The need for gold to create cranberry glass made it a very precious good. So for me the juxtaposition is not only in it being an ancient Chinese vase shape contrasted with the corporate logo. It's also the colour itself 'Coca Cola red' recognisable as something common and widespread, yet in glass it actually was and still is considered much more precious. And then the idea that Coca Cola bottles and this vase are both glass yet there is such a disparity between production methods because Weiwei chose to have these produced in Murano, famous for its long history of glass artistry. Through his work he often puts the past and present in conversation with each other in this way and it challenges you to reconsider the meaning you ascribe to these objects. Again, just my personal opinion, but this is what makes me smile about the work, it's clear Weiwei-ism. A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation? Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way. Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase.
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lukas01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by lukas01 on Jul 14, 2023 23:54:52 GMT 1, A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation? Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way. Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase. Gus... I'm weird on my own. Don't tap this button... forget it. ;-)
You mean, in here... from what you've read, there aren't any rich and spoiled people? You can be rich and not spoiled. You can be economically normal and still be capricious. I was wrong?
Anyway... my thought is that Ai Weiwei is really ''giving away'' that vase to the forum users. If you enter the link I previously attached... you can see the prices of quality Murano vases. If you do the math... it seems obvious to me... that the question of color is superfluous.
I had to lend that money to a friend this afternoon. If you have a lot of expenses... you understand how difficult it is to buy Art. Friendship is the one thing I always put first. Obviously together with the family. Unfortunately I will not buy the vase. But I'm happy for those who can do it.
Red or orange is equally beautiful. It is an Ai Weiwei vase. Art colors our lives... let the artists dictate the rest.
A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation? Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way. Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase. Gus... I'm weird on my own. Don't tap this button... forget it. ;-) You mean, in here... from what you've read, there aren't any rich and spoiled people? You can be rich and not spoiled. You can be economically normal and still be capricious. I was wrong? Anyway... my thought is that Ai Weiwei is really ''giving away'' that vase to the forum users. If you enter the link I previously attached... you can see the prices of quality Murano vases. If you do the math... it seems obvious to me... that the question of color is superfluous. I had to lend that money to a friend this afternoon. If you have a lot of expenses... you understand how difficult it is to buy Art. Friendship is the one thing I always put first. Obviously together with the family. Unfortunately I will not buy the vase. But I'm happy for those who can do it. Red or orange is equally beautiful. It is an Ai Weiwei vase. Art colors our lives... let the artists dictate the rest.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 15, 2023 5:34:13 GMT 1, I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition How is there "no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore" if the red vase means china, coke cola, blood? Imho that is one of the weirdest things I've read on the forum lol Can't think of a color that evokes more clashes "of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore"... I'd also add communism to it to the list. I'd add to the list of the color subtext, 'the times in general,' the climate, nuclear saber-rattling back in fashion, the looming recession, etc. What a human shit-show the planet is becoming. The Anthropocene Epoch.
I think this thread now has the most juice of any single Ai WeiWei thread.
I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition How is there "no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore" if the red vase means china, coke cola, blood? Imho that is one of the weirdest things I've read on the forum lol Can't think of a color that evokes more clashes "of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore"... I'd also add communism to it to the list. I'd add to the list of the color subtext, 'the times in general,' the climate, nuclear saber-rattling back in fashion, the looming recession, etc. What a human shit-show the planet is becoming. The Anthropocene Epoch.
I think this thread now has the most juice of any single Ai WeiWei thread.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 15, 2023 5:43:17 GMT 1, A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation? Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way. Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase. A very nice vase.
A vase like this made by a Murano factory... you can buy it for at least 300/400 euros in the shop. And it has no artistic signature. Only because it was made in Murano. I understand your kindness. But both you at AvantArte.com and Ai Weiwei are giving away too much to the spoiled users of this forum. Not all of course. But a good 80% are wealthy and spoiled. And like a naughty boy or girl... he'll always tell you something to piss you off. Thank you so much for all you do. An ideal Hug to all of you... and a huge one to Ai Weiwei!... Go ahead always smiling and with your head held high! ๐ Luca * sorry for my not perfect english. I'm Italian... and I use the Google translator. Curious what the other 20% is? Complainers about their economic situation? Personally think 80% of the forum being both wealthy and spoiled is a massive overestimation, and highly unlikely. Maybe one or the other, but BOTH? no way. Regardless, what a weird comment on a 900$ vase. A very nice vase.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by topper on Jul 15, 2023 6:44:49 GMT 1, Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition I actually think it's a valid point you have. However, he can't create an edition of 300 Ming vases so needs to rethink and replicate the artwork in another way. And the moment he creates the edition he is at risk of becoming the mass producer that the original piece critiques. By going subtle with the artwork, (although for me the orange frosted glass wasn't exactly pretty) he doesnt reproduce the original artwork or maybe change direction enough. By going 'all in' on the glossy deep red it demands attention and becomes even more garish. It is now a new artwork in its own right. Retaining the shape in a nod to the beautiful and traditional vase that it replaces. I absolutely love it to be fair and can't wait to own one. Also think is will look amazing on the shelf!
Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition I actually think it's a valid point you have. However, he can't create an edition of 300 Ming vases so needs to rethink and replicate the artwork in another way. And the moment he creates the edition he is at risk of becoming the mass producer that the original piece critiques. By going subtle with the artwork, (although for me the orange frosted glass wasn't exactly pretty) he doesnt reproduce the original artwork or maybe change direction enough. By going 'all in' on the glossy deep red it demands attention and becomes even more garish. It is now a new artwork in its own right. Retaining the shape in a nod to the beautiful and traditional vase that it replaces. I absolutely love it to be fair and can't wait to own one. Also think is will look amazing on the shelf!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 18, 2023 15:28:47 GMT 1,
Here's some insight on the vase directly from the guy's mouth.
Here's some insight on the vase directly from the guy's mouth.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by pertikis on Jul 22, 2023 10:14:54 GMT 1, Considering that some glass vases have already been sold in pre-sale, I wonder how many vases will be on sale on 26 July?
Considering that some glass vases have already been sold in pre-sale, I wonder how many vases will be on sale on 26 July?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by ubl on Jul 22, 2023 11:05:41 GMT 1, Considering that some glass vases have already been sold in pre-sale, I wonder how many vases will be on sale on 26 July? Consider 90% sold, they don't want to run the risk not selling out straight away.
Considering that some glass vases have already been sold in pre-sale, I wonder how many vases will be on sale on 26 July? Consider 90% sold, they don't want to run the risk not selling out straight away.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Alberto Collecto on Jul 22, 2023 15:41:36 GMT 1, Avant Arte would it be possible to share the number of vases available next week?
Avant Arte would it be possible to share the number of vases available next week?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 22, 2023 17:49:27 GMT 1, Avant Arte would it be possible to share the number of vases available next week? Not without angering some souls on here.
Avant Arte would it be possible to share the number of vases available next week? Not without angering some souls on here.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by drbf on Jul 22, 2023 22:58:51 GMT 1, What time is the drop on the vase?
What time is the drop on the vase?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Alberto Collecto on Jul 26, 2023 9:55:25 GMT 1, What time is the drop on the vase? 2pm BST today
What time is the drop on the vase? 2pm BST today
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by King and a Duck on Jul 26, 2023 10:23:20 GMT 1,
Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech.
Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 26, 2023 10:48:53 GMT 1, Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. I would get one now ๐
Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. I would get one now ๐
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Poster Bob on Jul 26, 2023 10:57:06 GMT 1, Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse.
Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by topper on Jul 26, 2023 11:23:41 GMT 1, Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse. How exactly is the company being driven into the ground? Huge saving have been made cutting staff, with apparently no negative impact on operations, user base is growing, and more sources of income being introduced all of the time.
Loving this print even more now that the bird has been killed off in the name of free speech. It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse. How exactly is the company being driven into the ground? Huge saving have been made cutting staff, with apparently no negative impact on operations, user base is growing, and more sources of income being introduced all of the time.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Poster Bob on Jul 26, 2023 11:41:27 GMT 1, It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse. How exactly is the company being driven into the ground? Huge saving have been made cutting staff, with apparently no negative impact on operations, user base is growing, and more sources of income being introduced all of the time. While cutting staff seems a prudent decision for all bloated "tech" companies in this economy all of the reporting I have seen says that YoY revenue is forecast to be down another billion from 2022, that they saw a sharp 50% drop in ad revenue following his takeover, that it still isn't making a profit, and that Fidelity themselves stated it has dropped in value by 50%. In regards to user base it now has to compete with Threads, and the rebrand may cause more churn towards that platform. I find it hard to be positive with that information, but perhaps you're privy to sources that I am not.
It was not "killed off in the name of free speech" unless you're an extreme idealogue. While the company is certainly being driven into the ground due to poor decisions, and a quite shocking rebranding, the intention, whether or not it was properly executed (by someone who at times exerts authoritarian power on the platform), is to all proper discourse. How exactly is the company being driven into the ground? Huge saving have been made cutting staff, with apparently no negative impact on operations, user base is growing, and more sources of income being introduced all of the time. While cutting staff seems a prudent decision for all bloated "tech" companies in this economy all of the reporting I have seen says that YoY revenue is forecast to be down another billion from 2022, that they saw a sharp 50% drop in ad revenue following his takeover, that it still isn't making a profit, and that Fidelity themselves stated it has dropped in value by 50%. In regards to user base it now has to compete with Threads, and the rebrand may cause more churn towards that platform. I find it hard to be positive with that information, but perhaps you're privy to sources that I am not.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by topper on Jul 26, 2023 11:46:52 GMT 1, No I haven't seen any figures. Where did you get yours from?
No I haven't seen any figures. Where did you get yours from?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Arty Farty 15 on Jul 26, 2023 11:49:10 GMT 1, ๐ด๐ด๐ด๐ด
Boring chat stick to the art or go and call up LBC or something so you can vent to viewers that care.
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Boring chat stick to the art or go and call up LBC or something so you can vent to viewers that care.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by King and a Duck on Jul 26, 2023 12:11:25 GMT 1, Ah... Musk fans.
Ah... Musk fans.
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