nobokov
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 7, 2023 16:02:59 GMT 1, Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these I get it, but their give their reason and not it's kind of a dead end. It's all speculation now. Unfortunately there's a frosted orange shortage due to nations cracking down on child labor. That might explain the ruby redness of it all.
Well, both Avant Arte and Ai Weiwei have done their part in feeding these I get it, but their give their reason and not it's kind of a dead end. It's all speculation now. Unfortunately there's a frosted orange shortage due to nations cracking down on child labor. That might explain the ruby redness of it all.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Jul 7, 2023 17:42:29 GMT 1, Sir, this has a direct impact on flipability
People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art. That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories.
Sir, this has a direct impact on flipability People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art. That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories.
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gus
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Jul 7, 2023 18:28:58 GMT 1, I often donโt know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was โcheapโ looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing. Iโm writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note. But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant? Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us"
Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap.
Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable
I often donโt know myself. My meaning here was that I thought it funny that the complaint was โcheapโ looking - when everything about it (glass vase, coke cola on it, 900$, an edition) is cheap - and that it not looking cheap, when everything about it is cheap, would somehow make it more appealing. Iโm writing this from Dubai, which has no relevance, but thought it fitting to note. But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant? Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us" Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap. Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable
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nobokov
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Jul 7, 2023 18:40:30 GMT 1, But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant? Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us" Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap. Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me.
But why is Dubai fitting and irrelevant? Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us" Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap. Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me.
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lukas01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by lukas01 on Jul 7, 2023 22:44:42 GMT 1, By waiting list we mean people who have let us know that in case of cancellations they'd like to purchase a vase. Quite a few people from here messaged when they missed out on the pre-orders that they'd like to be put on the waiting list. If you've entered your email address on our website then you'll be notified when the release goes live and the leftover allocation becomes available on July 26. The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish. If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like. I read the discussion born from the change of color of the vase. I like both colors... one '' sharp '' and '' irreverent '' the first... while the second '' passionate '' and '' impetuous '' almost like the lips of a woman with cherry lipstick. .. who get caught up in passion with their man. I didn't get the vase at first. I trust the artist and Avantarte. Why ask yourself all these questions?... I'm one version more beautiful than the other! If someone doesn't want it anymore... I'll put the money aside and buy it!... Dm if interested!
This is Art!... If you don't like it stay away.
*Excuse me for attaching my comment here. ๐
Many have been cut out of the presale.
By waiting list we mean people who have let us know that in case of cancellations they'd like to purchase a vase. Quite a few people from here messaged when they missed out on the pre-orders that they'd like to be put on the waiting list. If you've entered your email address on our website then you'll be notified when the release goes live and the leftover allocation becomes available on July 26. The choice from orange to red glass was made by Ai Weiwei and doesn't make a difference in cost. It's made by the same glass factory in Venice and still Murano glass Yes instead of matt the vase now has gloss finish. If you want to see it up close, ask for angles etc, feel free to join tomorrow's Warehouse Live Session on Discord at 17.00CET. I'll be showing the vase there on video chat so you can see any details you'd like. I read the discussion born from the change of color of the vase. I like both colors... one '' sharp '' and '' irreverent '' the first... while the second '' passionate '' and '' impetuous '' almost like the lips of a woman with cherry lipstick. .. who get caught up in passion with their man. I didn't get the vase at first. I trust the artist and Avantarte. Why ask yourself all these questions?... I'm one version more beautiful than the other! If someone doesn't want it anymore... I'll put the money aside and buy it!... Dm if interested! This is Art!... If you don't like it stay away. *Excuse me for attaching my comment here. ๐ Many have been cut out of the presale.
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ubl
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by ubl on Jul 8, 2023 1:05:46 GMT 1, Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us" Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap. Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me. Do you mean it makes sense to you now?
Fitting: Because it makes one "[question] the value we ascribe to the objects that surround us" Its cheap af (imho), but they try not to make it look cheap. Irrelevant: afaik its not for sale as an edition thus unflippable Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me. Do you mean it makes sense to you now?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 8, 2023 2:38:06 GMT 1, Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me. Do you mean it makes sense to you now? Its now as clear as the original translucent orange Coca Cola vase...
Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Dubai rather than the edition, which didn't make sense to me. Do you mean it makes sense to you now? Its now as clear as the original translucent orange Coca Cola vase...
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surf101
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by surf101 on Jul 11, 2023 17:26:46 GMT 1, I kind of miss the fact that the base of the orange was a solid lump of glass with a sensual finish. I don't know whether this decision was made to cut production costs.
I kind of miss the fact that the base of the orange was a solid lump of glass with a sensual finish. I don't know whether this decision was made to cut production costs.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Jules Leotard on Jul 12, 2023 2:14:41 GMT 1, People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art. That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories. Ya know, at first I wasn't thrilled with the orange, but kept it to myself. A few days later I was thinking, "that is the one thing piece of art this year that I HAVE to have." So, when the red was first shown, I was thinking, "What, no,no,no..." All that said, I am now thinking I need both which means, great concept, emotional responses. If there were enough for all of us to get one or both, I would say, let's get both.
People complained that this forum is all about flipping and value and now we have a proper discussion about an actual art. That's said I'm a little irked by the over the top negativity, entitlement and conspiracy theories. Ya know, at first I wasn't thrilled with the orange, but kept it to myself. A few days later I was thinking, "that is the one thing piece of art this year that I HAVE to have." So, when the red was first shown, I was thinking, "What, no,no,no..." All that said, I am now thinking I need both which means, great concept, emotional responses. If there were enough for all of us to get one or both, I would say, let's get both.
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Newar
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Newar on Jul 12, 2023 6:46:03 GMT 1, Just read the news , Prefer red color than the orange personnaly but why remove the matt finish cost is almost the same
wich house is used at murano Avant Arte ?
Just read the news , Prefer red color than the orange personnaly but why remove the matt finish cost is almost the same wich house is used at murano Avant Arte ?
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George Poppit
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by George Poppit on Jul 12, 2023 8:18:02 GMT 1, I kind of miss the fact that the base of the orange was a solid lump of glass with a sensual finish. I don't know whether this decision was made to cut production costs. Value engineered at the expense of the overall design.
I kind of miss the fact that the base of the orange was a solid lump of glass with a sensual finish. I don't know whether this decision was made to cut production costs. Value engineered at the expense of the overall design.
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Avant Arte
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Avant Arte on Jul 13, 2023 16:13:28 GMT 1, Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones.
Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ
Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition.
โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal.
Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM.
If you have any more questions let me know!
Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones.
Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ
Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition.
โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal.
Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM.
If you have any more questions let me know!
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 13, 2023 16:27:07 GMT 1, Great response from Avant Arte.
Great response from Avant Arte.
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elzerman
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by elzerman on Jul 13, 2023 16:51:57 GMT 1, Bravo!!!
Bravo!!!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Ruggs on Jul 13, 2023 18:22:51 GMT 1, Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones. Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition. โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal. Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM. If you have any more questions let me know!
Yes! Can I have one? ๐
Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones. Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition. โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal. Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM. If you have any more questions let me know! Yes! Can I have one? ๐
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 18:42:54 GMT 1, Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones. Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition. โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal. Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM. If you have any more questions let me know! Yes! Can I have one? ๐ me too pls avant Arte
Hi all! A lot of questions have come by so I thought I'd answer the main ones. Why the colour change?โจ We always try to bring an artistโs vision to life as best we can. While we make suggestions and present our own opinions we donโt feel itโs our role to dictate what an artist should create. The final decision is with them. In this case Ai Weiwei wanted to change the work, given we had already started selling we understand that this came as a surprise. But for those that will receive the vase know that you are getting something that is exactly as Weiwei intended. In his own words โthe new version is much stronger than the first, in terms of the quality of the glass, the colour, shape and finishing of the work, all of which are more in line with the concept of my workโ.โจโจ Did you do this to save money? โจNo, these changes actually cost us as achieving this colour is a lot harder. On top of this we spent longer on production, had to create more proofs and reshoot the edition. โจWhy is this dark red colour harder to make? Dark red is a much harder to achieve colour, especially when we have to insure colour consistency across all vases. When creating red glass the hue is not determined only by the composition of the minerals but also by the heating of it. To create the glass the minerals are mixed together and then placed in an oven at 1300ยฐC. When working with that coloured glass it needs to be reheated on the flame and then heated again in the muffle kiln during the vase creation process to make sure the shade doesnโt change. Every time heat is used we risk the colour changing because less or more heat changes the colour. There is always a risk that this colour turns lighter (more orange) or darker (more brown). It took an additional 7 proofs to be able to achieve this new colour and combine it with the right thickness to ensure colour variation is minimal. Is this real Murano glass? Yes this is created in Murano by a very reputable and certified glass studio that works with many contemporary artists. For those who want more details feel free to send me a PM. If you have any more questions let me know! Yes! Can I have one? ๐ me too pls avant Arte
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Jul 13, 2023 19:02:07 GMT 1, Yes! Can I have one? ๐ me too pls avant Arte And me.
And can I go to the top of the list please.
Yes! Can I have one? ๐ me too pls avant Arte And me. And can I go to the top of the list please.
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 13, 2023 19:14:07 GMT 1, How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"?
How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by timmyup on Jul 13, 2023 20:02:18 GMT 1, This is utter horseshit
This is utter horseshit
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by timmyup on Jul 13, 2023 20:06:22 GMT 1, How anyone is buying this is crazy!
How anyone is buying this is crazy!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by King and a Duck on Jul 13, 2023 21:02:16 GMT 1, I love the new colour. The good news, for those who donโt like it, is that itโll be exceptionally easy to not buy one. Easily my favourite purchase of 2023.
I love the new colour. The good news, for those who donโt like it, is that itโll be exceptionally easy to not buy one. Easily my favourite purchase of 2023.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 13, 2023 22:28:42 GMT 1, How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? I know one person who can answer. But heโs not on this forum.
How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? I know one person who can answer. But heโs not on this forum.
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robo
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Jul 13, 2023 22:31:01 GMT 1, I love the new colour. The good news, for those who donโt like it, is that itโll be exceptionally easy to not buy one. Easily my favourite purchase of 2023. Given the demand, itโll be one of the easiest art drops to not buy in a while.
I love the new colour. The good news, for those who donโt like it, is that itโll be exceptionally easy to not buy one. Easily my favourite purchase of 2023. Given the demand, itโll be one of the easiest art drops to not buy in a while.
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 14, 2023 6:40:34 GMT 1, How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? Since the ironic nature of my questions seems to have been lost I'll state it myself:
I think the shape of the old and the new vase are identical!
... and this raises a couple of very interesting, but also serious questions. What do you think?
How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? Since the ironic nature of my questions seems to have been lost I'll state it myself: I think the shape of the old and the new vase are identical! ... and this raises a couple of very interesting, but also serious questions. What do you think?
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Avant Arte
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Avant Arte on Jul 14, 2023 9:25:27 GMT 1, How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? Since the ironic nature of my questions seems to have been lost I'll state it myself: I think the shape of the old and the new vase are identical! ... and this raises a couple of very interesting, but also serious questions. What do you think? I get your question and honestly I'm of course not sure what exactly Weiwei would mean with this. The shape is quite similar but he might be referring to the change at the base and opening. The new vase is more sharply tapered towards the bottom and has a slightly thicker layer of glass on the base. As well as the opening of the vase having a thicker and more defined rim. I think this comparison picture shows it well.
How, exactly, is the new shape "much stronger" and "more in line with the concept of (Weiwei's) work"? Since the ironic nature of my questions seems to have been lost I'll state it myself: I think the shape of the old and the new vase are identical! ... and this raises a couple of very interesting, but also serious questions. What do you think? I get your question and honestly I'm of course not sure what exactly Weiwei would mean with this. The shape is quite similar but he might be referring to the change at the base and opening. The new vase is more sharply tapered towards the bottom and has a slightly thicker layer of glass on the base. As well as the opening of the vase having a thicker and more defined rim. I think this comparison picture shows it well.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by My Name is Frank on Jul 14, 2023 9:29:23 GMT 1, Red one is visibly better, this thread title is wrong, didnt realise you were all talking about the vase and didnt realise it had changed.
Red one is visibly better, this thread title is wrong, didnt realise you were all talking about the vase and didnt realise it had changed.
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Gentle Mental
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Gentle Mental on Jul 14, 2023 9:54:12 GMT 1, Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!!
Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Jul 14, 2023 10:39:53 GMT 1, Strange how opinions differ, isn't it. People are saying red is better but I can't help thinking that the old orange version is infinitely superior in every way.
Strange how opinions differ, isn't it. People are saying red is better but I can't help thinking that the old orange version is infinitely superior in every way.
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Pawel
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Jul 14, 2023 10:51:11 GMT 1, Strange how opinions differ, isn't it. People are saying red is better but I can't help thinking that the old orange version is infinitely superior in every way. I like the orange one more, but on a scale I'm still probably closer to people who prefer the red one, than you with that "infinitely superior in every way"
Strange how opinions differ, isn't it. People are saying red is better but I can't help thinking that the old orange version is infinitely superior in every way. I like the orange one more, but on a scale I'm still probably closer to people who prefer the red one, than you with that "infinitely superior in every way"
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Londown 01
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Jul 14, 2023 11:56:05 GMT 1, Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you!
But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about.
And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture"
p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition
Red is better. Itโs China. Itโs Coca Cola. Itโs blood. Thank you AA for pushing forward for the artist!!! I'm not disputing your personal interpretation (edited) - that is up to you! But, and I've made this point before: if Red is China, Coca Cola and blood, then the contrast between the inscription and the vase itself is lost. There is no real dissonance, no clash of times/ ideas/ ideologies/ ways of life anymore, and to me (!) that is what those original pieces are about. And Avant Arte seems to think the same: "With such artworks Ai juxtaposes new with old, and artisanal skill with mass manufacture" p.s./edit: not saying that problem would have been conclusively solved with an orange edition
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