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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2024 11:35:28 GMT 1, Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent?
It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons)
Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent? It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Reader on Jul 6, 2024 11:54:11 GMT 1, I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope. "His work intervenes in global issues such as climate change, the refugee crisis, and the Covid-19 pandemic. Pejac is passionate about humanity and meeting people where they are โ โI am very moved by working in the public space as it is the ultimate form of giving art to people who might have never stepped into a museum or gallery.โ
SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future.
I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope. "His work intervenes in global issues such as climate change, the refugee crisis, and the Covid-19 pandemic. Pejac is passionate about humanity and meeting people where they are โ โI am very moved by working in the public space as it is the ultimate form of giving art to people who might have never stepped into a museum or gallery.โ Text from the original street piece SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Reader on Jul 6, 2024 12:04:19 GMT 1, Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent? It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons)
Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus. Others have contended that the metaphor is inapposite because its exemplar โ unfettered access to common land โ did not exist historically, the right to exploit common land being controlled by law.
The work of Elinor Ostrom, who received the Nobel Prize in Economics is seen by some economists as having refuted Hardin's claims. Hardin's views on over-population, along with those of writers like Paul R. Ehrlich have been criticised as simplistic.
Other criticisms have focused on Hardin's racist and eugenicist views, claiming that his arguments are directed towards forcible population control, particularly for people of colour.
Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent? It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) or not... Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus. Others have contended that the metaphor is inapposite because its exemplar โ unfettered access to common land โ did not exist historically, the right to exploit common land being controlled by law. The work of Elinor Ostrom, who received the Nobel Prize in Economics is seen by some economists as having refuted Hardin's claims. Hardin's views on over-population, along with those of writers like Paul R. Ehrlich have been criticised as simplistic. Other criticisms have focused on Hardin's racist and eugenicist views, claiming that his arguments are directed towards forcible population control, particularly for people of colour. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2024 12:18:40 GMT 1, It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) or not...
That is ChatGPT, isn't it?
It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) or not... That is ChatGPT, isn't it? |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by tranito on Jul 6, 2024 12:18:40 GMT 1, I was thinking about the final 250 in the series. What do people think of the word 'hope'? I don't like it, to be honest, especially as it seems to be placed in amongst the figures. It seems a bit incongruous to me and detracts from the 3D effect of the figures. Not just the word but also the flatness of the word and the placement of the word itself. Seems odd. I think that it works better if you are planning to display the triptych to be honest. On its own it loses the context. I would really like one of the first run as I think the minimal look would suit my home better. If Avant Arte and Pejac really wanted to do something special have missed a good opportunity to make the work using 1000 people with the first having only one figure, the second in the edition having two all the way up to the 1000th having 1000 figures. Then charge one price say $750 but you do not know edition number you have purchase until they show up.
It would have been cheaper, yes.
But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups..
Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures.
I was thinking about the final 250 in the series. What do people think of the word 'hope'? I don't like it, to be honest, especially as it seems to be placed in amongst the figures. It seems a bit incongruous to me and detracts from the 3D effect of the figures. Not just the word but also the flatness of the word and the placement of the word itself. Seems odd. I think that it works better if you are planning to display the triptych to be honest. On its own it loses the context. I would really like one of the first run as I think the minimal look would suit my home better. If Avant Arte and Pejac really wanted to do something special have missed a good opportunity to make the work using 1000 people with the first having only one figure, the second in the edition having two all the way up to the 1000th having 1000 figures. Then charge one price say $750 but you do not know edition number you have purchase until they show up. How would that be much more special than the actual release? It would have been cheaper, yes. But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups.. Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by artlike on Jul 6, 2024 12:30:37 GMT 1, Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent? Is it how everyone became like sheep during covid? Just did what they were told by dishonest governments without any critical thinking and all ended up in a giant crevice (leaving HOPE behind?)? I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope.
My issue is I really struggle to see what it is representing. One take could be it's an invisible crevice or crack in the world that nobody sees until enough people have fallen in it. Like how humans make the same mistakes over and over and often don't realise until it's too late.
Any other takes would be very welcome as I'm on the fence with this one and maybe understanding it would make my mind up
Anybody have any idea what it's supposed to represent? Is it how everyone became like sheep during covid? Just did what they were told by dishonest governments without any critical thinking and all ended up in a giant crevice (leaving HOPE behind?)? I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope. Interesting take. The reason I thought it has to do with Covid is that's when he did the street piece. At a hospital in Spain. I miss those days! The hospitals were empty and you could see a specialist at the drop of a hat! My issue is I really struggle to see what it is representing. One take could be it's an invisible crevice or crack in the world that nobody sees until enough people have fallen in it. Like how humans make the same mistakes over and over and often don't realise until it's too late. Any other takes would be very welcome as I'm on the fence with this one and maybe understanding it would make my mind up |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by kjg on Jul 6, 2024 12:30:41 GMT 1, That is ChatGPT, isn't it?
That is ChatGPT, isn't it? |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Reader on Jul 6, 2024 12:42:33 GMT 1, I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope. Interesting take. The reason I thought it has to do with Covid is that's when he did the street piece. At a hospital in Spain. I miss those days! The hospitals were empty and you could see a specialist at the drop of a hat! My issue is I really struggle to see what it is representing. One take could be it's an invisible crevice or crack in the world that nobody sees until enough people have fallen in it. Any other takes would be very welcome as I'm on the fence with this one and maybe understanding it would make my mind up
SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future.
I don't think it has anything to do with Covid. That feels like ancient history now. I would suggest it is representing how people are at risk of falling but with each other's help we can all succeed in life; hence the hope. Interesting take. The reason I thought it has to do with Covid is that's when he did the street piece. At a hospital in Spain. I miss those days! The hospitals were empty and you could see a specialist at the drop of a hat! My issue is I really struggle to see what it is representing. One take could be it's an invisible crevice or crack in the world that nobody sees until enough people have fallen in it. Any other takes would be very welcome as I'm on the fence with this one and maybe understanding it would make my mind up You're correct. It's about the concept of social distancing and based on the original street work. SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2024 12:48:04 GMT 1, It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus.
There are so many things about it that say AI-generated, but I'll just pick out one:
Hardin speaks about "over-exploitation" and the possible disastrous consequences. But he also offers at least one way to avoid this, which is "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon", which is exactly the alleged counter-argument that is presented above. This, therefore, is not a valid criticism, and anyone with proper (!) knowledge of Hardin's text would have known that.
It could be seen as being about overpopulation, and its consequences (see Hardin: Tragedy of the Commons) Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus. There are so many things about it that say AI-generated, but I'll just pick out one: Hardin speaks about "over-exploitation" and the possible disastrous consequences. But he also offers at least one way to avoid this, which is "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon", which is exactly the alleged counter-argument that is presented above. This, therefore, is not a valid criticism, and anyone with proper (!) knowledge of Hardin's text would have known that. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by artlike on Jul 6, 2024 12:58:52 GMT 1, "His work intervenes in global issues such as climate change, the refugee crisis, and the Covid-19 pandemic. Pejac is passionate about humanity and meeting people where they are โ โI am very moved by working in the public space as it is the ultimate form of giving art to people who might have never stepped into a museum or gallery.โ Text from the original street piece SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future.
Ooooh, they're escaping! OK that makes sense. I like that they're escaping the very thing they created. That certainly makes sense given covid.
He didn't mention the great Tiktoks the health workers found time for. That's a big miss.
"His work intervenes in global issues such as climate change, the refugee crisis, and the Covid-19 pandemic. Pejac is passionate about humanity and meeting people where they are โ โI am very moved by working in the public space as it is the ultimate form of giving art to people who might have never stepped into a museum or gallery.โ Text from the original street piece SOCIAL DISTANCING is a trompe l'oeil intervention that creates an illusion of a deep gaping crevice on a rigid surface of a cement wall. Made from countless human silhouettes that are trying to escape it, the artist wanted to represent the wound that this pandemic has left and do it as a tribute to health workers for their respect and solidarity towards the victims. While the image serves as a metaphor for the damage done by the pandemic, it also literally proposes Social Distancing as a way to fix them. In between the large crowd, the artist included scenes of reunion, empathy, care, and love, suggesting a door to a better, hopeful future. Ooooh, they're escaping! OK that makes sense. I like that they're escaping the very thing they created. That certainly makes sense given covid. He didn't mention the great Tiktoks the health workers found time for. That's a big miss. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by J0NNY on Jul 6, 2024 13:06:15 GMT 1, I think that it works better if you are planning to display the triptych to be honest. On its own it loses the context. I would really like one of the first run as I think the minimal look would suit my home better. If Avant Arte and Pejac really wanted to do something special have missed a good opportunity to make the work using 1000 people with the first having only one figure, the second in the edition having two all the way up to the 1000th having 1000 figures. Then charge one price say $750 but you do not know edition number you have purchase until they show up. How would that be much more special than the actual release? It would have been cheaper, yes. But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups.. Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures.
I think thatโs the reason that I like the ones that do not show any obvious form of the void better personally.
As for the making the release more special, it was just what I thought would be more fun and could of kind of created a bit of a swap shop for people to offer there ones to swap with each other and you never know maybe come together and perhaps make friendships / relationships etc making a little bit of hope for this dismal scene.
I think that it works better if you are planning to display the triptych to be honest. On its own it loses the context. I would really like one of the first run as I think the minimal look would suit my home better. If Avant Arte and Pejac really wanted to do something special have missed a good opportunity to make the work using 1000 people with the first having only one figure, the second in the edition having two all the way up to the 1000th having 1000 figures. Then charge one price say $750 but you do not know edition number you have purchase until they show up. How would that be much more special than the actual release? It would have been cheaper, yes. But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups.. Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures. To be honest, I donโt really think the message is very clever or perhaps I am just not understanding it as intended, but Iโm not sure a void is the best choice of subject if you want to represent that there is hope in people coming together. I think thatโs the reason that I like the ones that do not show any obvious form of the void better personally. As for the making the release more special, it was just what I thought would be more fun and could of kind of created a bit of a swap shop for people to offer there ones to swap with each other and you never know maybe come together and perhaps make friendships / relationships etc making a little bit of hope for this dismal scene. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by its all about me on Jul 6, 2024 13:36:56 GMT 1, It's interesting when you consider the meaning of an artwork. Not just this one but any artwork. People usually assume the artist explains the meaning of his artwork and that is the end of it. But some artists maintain that all good art is only completed by the viewer after he or she projects his/her own interpretation on the piece. That's often why artists will name their art pieces as "untitled". It frees up the viewer to think for themselves.
It's interesting when you consider the meaning of an artwork. Not just this one but any artwork. People usually assume the artist explains the meaning of his artwork and that is the end of it. But some artists maintain that all good art is only completed by the viewer after he or she projects his/her own interpretation on the piece. That's often why artists will name their art pieces as "untitled". It frees up the viewer to think for themselves.
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jimmyman on Jul 6, 2024 13:53:28 GMT 1, Itโs all a bit yawn no? How can we justify selling 1000 prints.. hmm lets make them all different / not different.. Screams of trying to hard.. Hardly a living edition is it?
Let's to 8 releases instead of 1 releases!! Let's start with the weakest then finish with the strongest.
Itโs all a bit yawn no? How can we justify selling 1000 prints.. hmm lets make them all different / not different.. Screams of trying to hard.. Hardly a living edition is it? Very nice post. Let's to 8 releases instead of 1 releases!! Let's start with the weakest then finish with the strongest. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jordansw on Jul 6, 2024 13:53:53 GMT 1, I have been out of the scene for a while and not sure how the demand for Pejac pieces are these days. Do you guys reckon it will be the button smashing, site crashing, general chaos of drops a couple of years ago. Or do you reckon picking up the editions, especially the ones with 120 prints, will be manageable?
Hard to say. If I had to guess Iโd say complete chaos especially the lower more affordable editions. However, we are seeing New Wave hardly fetch drop price now. I know about 5 EEs for sale. Prices arenโt what they used to be and people are struggling to accept this. All of this taken into considering itโs possible it wonโt be as difficult as some people may think. I know itโs not really an answer but if you really want this Iโd be ready to spam refresh, have payment info pre filled, and do a couple โdry runsโ if you can. Makes it more exciting anyways 
I have been out of the scene for a while and not sure how the demand for Pejac pieces are these days. Do you guys reckon it will be the button smashing, site crashing, general chaos of drops a couple of years ago. Or do you reckon picking up the editions, especially the ones with 120 prints, will be manageable? Hard to say. If I had to guess Iโd say complete chaos especially the lower more affordable editions. However, we are seeing New Wave hardly fetch drop price now. I know about 5 EEs for sale. Prices arenโt what they used to be and people are struggling to accept this. All of this taken into considering itโs possible it wonโt be as difficult as some people may think. I know itโs not really an answer but if you really want this Iโd be ready to spam refresh, have payment info pre filled, and do a couple โdry runsโ if you can. Makes it more exciting anyways |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jordansw on Jul 6, 2024 14:00:38 GMT 1, How would that be much more special than the actual release? It would have been cheaper, yes. But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups.. Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures. To be honest, I donโt really think the message is very clever or perhaps I am just not understanding it as intended, but Iโm not sure a void is the best choice of subject if you want to represent that there is hope in people coming together. I think thatโs the reason that I like the ones that do not show any obvious form of the void better personally. As for the making the release more special, it was just what I thought would be more fun and could of kind of created a bit of a swap shop for people to offer there ones to swap with each other and you never know maybe come together and perhaps make friendships / relationships etc making a little bit of hope for this dismal scene.
How would that be much more special than the actual release? It would have been cheaper, yes. But it would be an incomplete image all the way through the edition and wouldn't even look like a crevice, which is mandatory for the art/message. It starts to look like a crevice in the later groups.. 1000 figures still is in the early groups.. Also, it's really nice to be able to choose what stage you're getting. Would hate it to purchase and have it totally random between minimal figures and maximal figures. To be honest, I donโt really think the message is very clever or perhaps I am just not understanding it as intended, but Iโm not sure a void is the best choice of subject if you want to represent that there is hope in people coming together. I think thatโs the reason that I like the ones that do not show any obvious form of the void better personally. As for the making the release more special, it was just what I thought would be more fun and could of kind of created a bit of a swap shop for people to offer there ones to swap with each other and you never know maybe come together and perhaps make friendships / relationships etc making a little bit of hope for this dismal scene. This is how I felt with New Wave. I thought the image was really weak, message wasnโt there, and compared to the boss or SFSC it just didnโt come close compared to newer releases. I think HOPE is a little on the weak side considering how beautiful some of his other originals are. It would be cool if he left a release up to his supporters and fans. Let us decide the next one! |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jimmyman on Jul 6, 2024 14:03:55 GMT 1, Let's be realistic, Pejac isn't going to apply gold leaf figures to 1000 different prints. 125 of which are selling for 150 quid! Love the edition. Well done again AA
Let's be realistic, Pejac isn't going to apply gold leaf figures to 1000 different prints. 125 of which are selling for 150 quid! Love the edition. Well done again AA oh my god, so amazing, you can get an incredible piece of art at 150 quid! oh my god! |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jimmyman on Jul 6, 2024 14:07:13 GMT 1, Honestly who gives a shit who applied the gold - if you like the print go for it. I am still undecided - I like the concept just not totally sold on the image. Well AA are advertising it as โhand finished prints by Pejacโ so seems like a fairly simple question. If Pejac is not doing the gold leaf hand finishing then that is misleading. 
Honestly who gives a shit who applied the gold - if you like the print go for it. I am still undecided - I like the concept just not totally sold on the image. Well AA are advertising it as โhand finished prints by Pejacโ so seems like a fairly simple question. If Pejac is not doing the gold leaf hand finishing then that is misleading. Your questioning is perfectly reasonable. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by sevrin on Jul 6, 2024 14:10:41 GMT 1, The meaning of this edition is obvious to me.......Pejac, hates human beings for the way they we have screwed up the planet, he depicts us as lemmings being swallowed up by a giant crevasse of our own making, each edition bringing more and more people along for the ride as FOMO reaches fever pitch!........it's either that, or, I've had one too many at the bottomless brunch...... 
The meaning of this edition is obvious to me.......Pejac, hates human beings for the way they we have screwed up the planet, he depicts us as lemmings being swallowed up by a giant crevasse of our own making, each edition bringing more and more people along for the ride as FOMO reaches fever pitch!........it's either that, or, I've had one too many at the bottomless brunch...... |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Reader on Jul 6, 2024 14:13:57 GMT 1, Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus. There are so many things about it that say AI-generated, but I'll just pick out one: Hardin speaks about "over-exploitation" and the possible disastrous consequences. But he also offers at least one way to avoid this, which is "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon", which is exactly the alleged counter-argument that is presented above. This, therefore, is not a valid criticism, and anyone with proper (!) knowledge of Hardin's text would have known that.
Proper knowledge ? Hardin's theories have been discredited for over half a century. He's only cited in contemporary economics by ardent capitalists and fascists. He was a pro-colonial white supremacist to the end, comparing colonial countires and powers in the west to lifeboats that couldn't take more passangers without sinking. You may as well cite Farage. It was an old theory from the early 1800's dusted down and published in 1968 during the civil rights movement to undermine cultural shifts towards more equitable societies. It's a fundamentally Right Wing idea birthed during the industrial revolution that implied people couldn't manage themselves or the "commons" so land and other common goods should be privatised or given to the landed gentry to manage.
There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable, though it's still popular with science teachers in high schools, in a very constructive manner.
jacobin.com/2023/10/tragedy-of-the-commons-garrett-hardin-white-supremacy-enclosure-privatization-history
Some scholars have argued that over-exploitation of the common resource is by no means inevitable, since the individuals concerned may be able to achieve mutual restraint by consensus. There are so many things about it that say AI-generated, but I'll just pick out one: Hardin speaks about "over-exploitation" and the possible disastrous consequences. But he also offers at least one way to avoid this, which is "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon", which is exactly the alleged counter-argument that is presented above. This, therefore, is not a valid criticism, and anyone with proper (!) knowledge of Hardin's text would have known that. Maybe should be a different thread but... Proper knowledge ? Hardin's theories have been discredited for over half a century. He's only cited in contemporary economics by ardent capitalists and fascists. He was a pro-colonial white supremacist to the end, comparing colonial countires and powers in the west to lifeboats that couldn't take more passangers without sinking. You may as well cite Farage. It was an old theory from the early 1800's dusted down and published in 1968 during the civil rights movement to undermine cultural shifts towards more equitable societies. It's a fundamentally Right Wing idea birthed during the industrial revolution that implied people couldn't manage themselves or the "commons" so land and other common goods should be privatised or given to the landed gentry to manage. There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable, though it's still popular with science teachers in high schools, in a very constructive manner. jacobin.com/2023/10/tragedy-of-the-commons-garrett-hardin-white-supremacy-enclosure-privatization-history |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by SFBM on Jul 6, 2024 14:17:53 GMT 1, Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it.
Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though?
Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it.
Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though?
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by goose on Jul 6, 2024 14:29:57 GMT 1, Well AA are advertising it as โhand finished prints by Pejacโ so seems like a fairly simple question. If Pejac is not doing the gold leaf hand finishing then that is misleading. Your questioning is perfectly reasonable.
Well AA are advertising it as โhand finished prints by Pejacโ so seems like a fairly simple question. If Pejac is not doing the gold leaf hand finishing then that is misleading. Your questioning is perfectly reasonable. Come on - I think AA have been very clear that Pejac hasn't hand finished any of the prints. They have said it requires someone skilled in the art to add the gold leaf and in the screenshots above it just states the prints are by Pejac and are hand finished. There is no conspiracy here. The prices are very reasonable for a Pejac release, a price point for pretty much everyone. So I would expect them to be alot more if Pejac himself had applied any sort of hand finishing. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2024 14:33:27 GMT 1, There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable
Just to point this out: I was neither defending Hardin's stance in the essay, nor his other views.
The Pejac piece reminded me of the essay. The - empty - canvas is the space (commons) that is increasingly populated with human beings. Given a big enough number of individuals, a crevice becomes visible: and a crevice to me has certain connotations of danger ... and to me an atmosphere of threat is there in the work.
There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable Just to point this out: I was neither defending Hardin's stance in the essay, nor his other views. The Pejac piece reminded me of the essay. The - empty - canvas is the space (commons) that is increasingly populated with human beings. Given a big enough number of individuals, a crevice becomes visible: and a crevice to me has certain connotations of danger ... and to me an atmosphere of threat is there in the work. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by jimmyman on Jul 6, 2024 14:38:25 GMT 1, 
Did anyone ever work out what the meaning behind Yin Yang was?
Did anyone ever work out what the meaning behind Yin Yang was? |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 6, 2024 14:50:44 GMT 1, Your questioning is perfectly reasonable. Come on - I think AA have been very clear that Pejac hasn't hand finished any of the prints. They have said it requires someone skilled in the art to add the gold leaf and in the screenshots above it just states the prints are by Pejac and are hand finished. There is no conspiracy here. The prices are very reasonable for a Pejac release, a price point for pretty much everyone. So I would expect them to be alot more if Pejac himself had applied any sort of hand finishing.
Your questioning is perfectly reasonable. Come on - I think AA have been very clear that Pejac hasn't hand finished any of the prints. They have said it requires someone skilled in the art to add the gold leaf and in the screenshots above it just states the prints are by Pejac and are hand finished. There is no conspiracy here. The prices are very reasonable for a Pejac release, a price point for pretty much everyone. So I would expect them to be alot more if Pejac himself had applied any sort of hand finishing. We would love to know where on the website, social media (AA and Pejac), launch email or presale email does it say Pejac hasnโt hand finished any of the prints? ๐ค |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 6, 2024 14:53:26 GMT 1, Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though?
This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given.
Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though? If these are not hand finished by the artist, then of course it will affect the value as they would have been worth more if all hand finishing was done by Pejac. This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Londown 01 on Jul 6, 2024 15:04:11 GMT 1, Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though? If these are not hand finished by the artist, then of course it will affect the value as they would have been worth more if all hand finishing was done by Pejac. This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given.
I think it's good that you are having this discussion: it shows that people actually care about the work, technique, and the details (and not just about the monetary value).
In this particular case, I think AA have done a good job to suggest something without actually claiming it. Therefore they would have full deniability. As they are an enterprise, they take care to market their products as advantageously as possible. - The "hand finished" here should probably (just my best guess, without actually knowing it) be seen as a feature of the print, just like they are "on paper" or "unique", without a claim made to authorship.
Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though? If these are not hand finished by the artist, then of course it will affect the value as they would have been worth more if all hand finishing was done by Pejac. This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given. I think it's good that you are having this discussion: it shows that people actually care about the work, technique, and the details (and not just about the monetary value). In this particular case, I think AA have done a good job to suggest something without actually claiming it. Therefore they would have full deniability. As they are an enterprise, they take care to market their products as advantageously as possible. - The "hand finished" here should probably (just my best guess, without actually knowing it) be seen as a feature of the print, just like they are "on paper" or "unique", without a claim made to authorship. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by its all about me on Jul 6, 2024 15:05:54 GMT 1, Come on - I think AA have been very clear that Pejac hasn't hand finished any of the prints. They have said it requires someone skilled in the art to add the gold leaf and in the screenshots above it just states the prints are by Pejac and are hand finished. There is no conspiracy here. The prices are very reasonable for a Pejac release, a price point for pretty much everyone. So I would expect them to be alot more if Pejac himself had applied any sort of hand finishing. We would love to know where on the website, social media (AA and Pejac), launch email or presale email does it say Pejac hasnโt hand finished any of the prints? ๐ค
Come on - I think AA have been very clear that Pejac hasn't hand finished any of the prints. They have said it requires someone skilled in the art to add the gold leaf and in the screenshots above it just states the prints are by Pejac and are hand finished. There is no conspiracy here. The prices are very reasonable for a Pejac release, a price point for pretty much everyone. So I would expect them to be alot more if Pejac himself had applied any sort of hand finishing. We would love to know where on the website, social media (AA and Pejac), launch email or presale email does it say Pejac hasnโt hand finished any of the prints? ๐ค I'm not sure why you keep asking about this. AA has clearly stated that gold-leafing on this requires an 'expert' and that Pejac has been 'supervising' the process. This obviously means that Pejac has NOT done the gold-leaf himself. It doesn't need any further clarification. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Matt 2 ttaM on Jul 6, 2024 15:06:37 GMT 1, Did anyone ever work out what the meaning behind Yin Yang was?
Or in the time of plenty we are wasteful and in the time of scarcity we are resourceful.
Or dont appreciate something until its gone
idk โฆ youโd have to ask the original artist that Pejac took it from.
Did anyone ever work out what the meaning behind Yin Yang was? One mans trash (the circle cut out) is another mans treasure. Or in the time of plenty we are wasteful and in the time of scarcity we are resourceful. Or dont appreciate something until its gone idk โฆ youโd have to ask the original artist that Pejac took it from. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Jimini Cricket on Jul 6, 2024 15:07:49 GMT 1, Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though? If these are not hand finished by the artist, then of course it will affect the value as they would have been worth more if all hand finishing was done by Pejac. This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given.
Theres a difference between saying โhand-finished prints by Pejacโ and โprints hand-finished by Pejacโ but I get that not everyone will stop to think about it. Does anyone really think that this is going to affect the future value of these though? If these are not hand finished by the artist, then of course it will affect the value as they would have been worth more if all hand finishing was done by Pejac. This faux-pas could potentially affect future AA releases as some collectors start to mistrust the information they are being given. If you believe that the non-Pejac hand finishing could affect collectors goodwill towards AA, pour one out for the owners that burned their mittens on the overpriced AA editions from 2021-2023. |
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Pejac & Avant Arte - A new print series, by Reader on Jul 6, 2024 15:11:03 GMT 1, There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable Just to point this out: I was neither defending Hardin's stance in the essay, nor his other views. The Pejac piece reminded me of the essay. The - empty - canvas is the space (commons) that is increasingly populated with human beings. Given a big enough number of individuals, a crevice becomes visible: and a crevice to me has certain connotations of danger ... and to me an atmosphere of threat is there in the work.
There's a ton of books and papers written that critique the theory or parable Just to point this out: I was neither defending Hardin's stance in the essay, nor his other views. The Pejac piece reminded me of the essay. The - empty - canvas is the space (commons) that is increasingly populated with human beings. Given a big enough number of individuals, a crevice becomes visible: and a crevice to me has certain connotations of danger ... and to me an atmosphere of threat is there in the work. Fair enough mate ! Interesting observation |
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