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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 22, 2008 17:20:03 GMT 1, I respect that System have been around a lot longer Remi, but the work is just not as impressive imo. I would even say that I much prefer Replete and his TPN Crew's work to System. Case and Part2ism are masters of their trade, but again, I prefer Case, because I feel his work is just more interesting conceptually. I actually think he has the slight edge when it comes to execution too. As stated above though, I am def' a fan of Part2ism's work.
I respect that System have been around a lot longer Remi, but the work is just not as impressive imo. I would even say that I much prefer Replete and his TPN Crew's work to System. Case and Part2ism are masters of their trade, but again, I prefer Case, because I feel his work is just more interesting conceptually. I actually think he has the slight edge when it comes to execution too. As stated above though, I am def' a fan of Part2ism's work.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by hick on Nov 22, 2008 18:08:09 GMT 1, finally an intersesting discussion on here !
no flipping n**a talk !
remi while i respect those two artists, I have to say that the work looks slightly dated imo, although its fansatic the difference i see is between graf and street art, meaning those shots are from pioneering grafitti writers whereas case i consider a street artist, and like his subject matter as it is just really dark but , it's horses for courses innit?
It's great that you are now part on .info and wall kandy as you bring a very well schooled and level head into discussions and of course with you being a front liner you have seen it all come and go, who would have though 20 years ago guys would be selling home versions of their street stuff?
i remember watching guys like temper back in brum , you lot definately primed this new school street art lot....
finally an intersesting discussion on here !
no flipping n**a talk !
remi while i respect those two artists, I have to say that the work looks slightly dated imo, although its fansatic the difference i see is between graf and street art, meaning those shots are from pioneering grafitti writers whereas case i consider a street artist, and like his subject matter as it is just really dark but , it's horses for courses innit?
It's great that you are now part on .info and wall kandy as you bring a very well schooled and level head into discussions and of course with you being a front liner you have seen it all come and go, who would have though 20 years ago guys would be selling home versions of their street stuff?
i remember watching guys like temper back in brum , you lot definately primed this new school street art lot....
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by graeme501 on Nov 24, 2008 1:32:06 GMT 1, would have to agree with others on the forum, much prefer case's work to part2 and system's, imo their work looks dated and if its photo realism - for me it has to be spot on, i get this with case, but not with these two artists, it either looks a bit cartoony, or something is a bit off with the face
would have to agree with others on the forum, much prefer case's work to part2 and system's, imo their work looks dated and if its photo realism - for me it has to be spot on, i get this with case, but not with these two artists, it either looks a bit cartoony, or something is a bit off with the face
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by BONGO on Nov 24, 2008 12:51:46 GMT 1, BONGO NOT FAN OF KITTENS AND BALLS OF WOOL SCHOOL OF ART
BUT BONGO WOULD NOT WANT SUCH A CLUMSY JUXTAPOSITION ON WALL
SUBTLE IT IS NOT
BONGO NOT FAN OF KITTENS AND BALLS OF WOOL SCHOOL OF ART
BUT BONGO WOULD NOT WANT SUCH A CLUMSY JUXTAPOSITION ON WALL
SUBTLE IT IS NOT
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by calamity on Nov 24, 2008 13:56:58 GMT 1, I like part2's stuff on the website, especially Dad.
I do like the way Case both repulses and captivates me though
I like part2's stuff on the website, especially Dad.
I do like the way Case both repulses and captivates me though
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by pezlow on Nov 24, 2008 14:29:34 GMT 1, I know we all like different things but I am really struggling to see what the appeal of case is. Sure he may be able to paint photorealistically but so can literally hundreds of artists out there. Go to any art fair and you will be bombarded with photo realistic art.
As for the subject matter it is just grim. No way I would have that on my wall even if you paid me.
I know we all like different things but I am really struggling to see what the appeal of case is. Sure he may be able to paint photorealistically but so can literally hundreds of artists out there. Go to any art fair and you will be bombarded with photo realistic art.
As for the subject matter it is just grim. No way I would have that on my wall even if you paid me.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by mcnuts on Nov 24, 2008 14:33:21 GMT 1, is there still time for a "worst piece of art" category for the awards? If so, can I please nominate this!
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by motor on Nov 24, 2008 14:35:53 GMT 1, I know we all like different things but I am really struggling to see what the appeal of case is. Sure he may be able to paint photorealistically but so can literally hundreds of artists out there. Go to any art fair and you will be bombarded with photo realistic art. As for the subject matter it is just grim. No way I would have that on my wall even if you paid me.
Totally agree Pez.
Well said
I know we all like different things but I am really struggling to see what the appeal of case is. Sure he may be able to paint photorealistically but so can literally hundreds of artists out there. Go to any art fair and you will be bombarded with photo realistic art. As for the subject matter it is just grim. No way I would have that on my wall even if you paid me. Totally agree Pez. Well said |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Gallery My Arse on Nov 24, 2008 14:42:57 GMT 1, I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter.
I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 14:49:41 GMT 1, And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest.
At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it.
I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys.
And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest.
At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it.
I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 14:52:24 GMT 1, And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it. I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys.
your missing the point, it's not shocking, its just ugly
And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it. I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys. your missing the point, it's not shocking, its just ugly |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 14:58:00 GMT 1, I think we're back to the eye of the beholder.
I think we're back to the eye of the beholder.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by curiousgeorge on Nov 24, 2008 15:07:19 GMT 1, The C-Section image caught me eye last week, so much so i ran it past my other half,She promptly asked if "I was fcuking mental"
I like it on a personal level, it was only 5 short years ago my newborn son was handed to me looking exactly like that,even down to the colours.For me it takes me right back to those special first minutes.
Would have to hang it in my private room no doubt!
The C-Section image caught me eye last week, so much so i ran it past my other half,She promptly asked if "I was fcuking mental"
I like it on a personal level, it was only 5 short years ago my newborn son was handed to me looking exactly like that,even down to the colours.For me it takes me right back to those special first minutes.
Would have to hang it in my private room no doubt!
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 15:18:11 GMT 1, Spot on CG.
Maybe someone having their head hacked off by extremists might be considered grim and gruesome but apart from a bit of blood this is pretty tame when you look at what it is.
As often happens on these controversial ones people confuse looking at the actual talent with whether or not they simply like the image.
You just cannot deny the talent of the man who's created this.
So loads of people can do photorealistic art.
My kids paint with stencils.
That doesn't make them brilliant or mean that Banksy is now demoted to useless.
Spot on CG.
Maybe someone having their head hacked off by extremists might be considered grim and gruesome but apart from a bit of blood this is pretty tame when you look at what it is.
As often happens on these controversial ones people confuse looking at the actual talent with whether or not they simply like the image.
You just cannot deny the talent of the man who's created this.
So loads of people can do photorealistic art.
My kids paint with stencils.
That doesn't make them brilliant or mean that Banksy is now demoted to useless.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by howler on Nov 24, 2008 15:18:30 GMT 1, And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it. I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys. your missing the point, it's not shocking, its just ugly
I'd have to disagree with the description ugly, it's quite a realistic depiction of a new born and yes they're not all fluffy and pink like on telly they're a funny colour, all wrinkly, covered in blood and all sorts and for some reason they all have a passing resemblance with Churchill, but not ugly.
I'm going to assume you don't have kids, believe me if/when you do have any you won't find them looking like this ugly in any way at all.
It's a very moving piece of art showing this most vulnerable moment in human existence being cradled by one who went through the same a few years earlier (to me it looks like an older sibling not a parent) but however much I can admire it I still wouldn't hang it at home.
And any one of us could pretty much replicate any print that Banksy has done so I'm not so sure that's a relevant point to be honest. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, this is a new born baby with a bit of blood on it. I've just witnessed a much worse scene at the butchers counter in Sainsburys. your missing the point, it's not shocking, its just ugly I'd have to disagree with the description ugly, it's quite a realistic depiction of a new born and yes they're not all fluffy and pink like on telly they're a funny colour, all wrinkly, covered in blood and all sorts and for some reason they all have a passing resemblance with Churchill, but not ugly. I'm going to assume you don't have kids, believe me if/when you do have any you won't find them looking like this ugly in any way at all. It's a very moving piece of art showing this most vulnerable moment in human existence being cradled by one who went through the same a few years earlier (to me it looks like an older sibling not a parent) but however much I can admire it I still wouldn't hang it at home. |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 15:22:36 GMT 1, It's certainly created a real marmite type buzz.
It's certainly created a real marmite type buzz.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 15:24:37 GMT 1, yes understand all of that, and if it was my own baby I'm sure my feelings would be very very different indeed (although even then I don't think I want a painting like this), that doesn't stop me from feeling this picture like alot of Case's work is just for the 'ooooh' value I'm a little dangerous liking this sort of image - dull and ugly - sorry, I don't feel any emotion in this piece at all, just part of a body of work which is questionable at best
yes understand all of that, and if it was my own baby I'm sure my feelings would be very very different indeed (although even then I don't think I want a painting like this), that doesn't stop me from feeling this picture like alot of Case's work is just for the 'ooooh' value I'm a little dangerous liking this sort of image - dull and ugly - sorry, I don't feel any emotion in this piece at all, just part of a body of work which is questionable at best
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 15:29:46 GMT 1, We all get our own different things from art badrobot.
Looks like this is just not your bag.
On a slightly different but connected subject, I just can't get my head around those people who take the afterbirth home and make a cake out of it.
Now that really is hard to stomach.
We all get our own different things from art badrobot.
Looks like this is just not your bag.
On a slightly different but connected subject, I just can't get my head around those people who take the afterbirth home and make a cake out of it.
Now that really is hard to stomach.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by curiousgeorge on Nov 24, 2008 15:33:40 GMT 1,
That's it!! Taking my lunch into the other room!
That's it!! Taking my lunch into the other room!
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by howler on Nov 24, 2008 15:38:45 GMT 1, yes understand all of that, and if it was my own baby I'm sure my feelings would be very very different indeed (although even then I don't think I want a painting like this), that doesn't stop me from feeling this picture like alot of Case's work is just for the 'ooooh' value I'm a little dangerous liking this sort of image - dull and ugly - sorry, I don't feel any emotion in this piece at all, just part of a body of work which is questionable at best
I wouldn't want a painting like this either, we've numerous photos of our kids looking a bit like this and none of them are on the wall they're more for our own personal memories. It's just having been present at this moment a couple of times now I can't see anything but beauty in it's depiction however gory and gruesome it looks.
yes understand all of that, and if it was my own baby I'm sure my feelings would be very very different indeed (although even then I don't think I want a painting like this), that doesn't stop me from feeling this picture like alot of Case's work is just for the 'ooooh' value I'm a little dangerous liking this sort of image - dull and ugly - sorry, I don't feel any emotion in this piece at all, just part of a body of work which is questionable at best I wouldn't want a painting like this either, we've numerous photos of our kids looking a bit like this and none of them are on the wall they're more for our own personal memories. It's just having been present at this moment a couple of times now I can't see anything but beauty in it's depiction however gory and gruesome it looks. |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Gallery My Arse on Nov 24, 2008 16:10:21 GMT 1, It is dull and boring and will be forgotten about in a few months whilst the next big thing is raved about. We need some quality control here. Just how many shows can an artist have in a year? Saturation point is being reached with so many of these artists.
It is dull and boring and will be forgotten about in a few months whilst the next big thing is raved about. We need some quality control here. Just how many shows can an artist have in a year? Saturation point is being reached with so many of these artists.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by pezlow on Nov 24, 2008 18:25:31 GMT 1, So loads of people can do photorealistic art. My kids paint with stencils. That doesn't make them brilliant or mean that Banksy is now demoted to useless.
That's true and I see your point but so many people have justified buying and liking case because he has got "real talent" by which I assume that people are saying he can paint photorealistically.
As for the subject matter I have had 2 kids and been present at both births but that doesn't stop this particular piece being ugly, not beautiful. Who is the older kid in the piece? Why does that kid have a huge piece of umbilical cord wrapped round his wrist? Those things didn't happen at any birth I attended.
I kinda agree with the post that said Case seems to do this art just to shock and people say they like it in exactly the same way that they say they like, for example, a paul mccarthy piece of video art or a jake and dinos willy sculpture - because it makes them feel radical.
Well call me conservative but it doesn't float my boat at all.
So loads of people can do photorealistic art. My kids paint with stencils. That doesn't make them brilliant or mean that Banksy is now demoted to useless. That's true and I see your point but so many people have justified buying and liking case because he has got "real talent" by which I assume that people are saying he can paint photorealistically. As for the subject matter I have had 2 kids and been present at both births but that doesn't stop this particular piece being ugly, not beautiful. Who is the older kid in the piece? Why does that kid have a huge piece of umbilical cord wrapped round his wrist? Those things didn't happen at any birth I attended. I kinda agree with the post that said Case seems to do this art just to shock and people say they like it in exactly the same way that they say they like, for example, a paul mccarthy piece of video art or a jake and dinos willy sculpture - because it makes them feel radical. Well call me conservative but it doesn't float my boat at all. |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by wiz on Nov 24, 2008 19:13:52 GMT 1, I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter.
I bought my first Case over twelve months ago and i know people who have older works by him. I am v sure that someone could knock up a copy or alternative of an Adam Neate street piece with a piece of card and a marker pen but it wouldnt be a Neate would it?. All a matter of taste, we cannot all like the same Artists.
I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter. I bought my first Case over twelve months ago and i know people who have older works by him. I am v sure that someone could knock up a copy or alternative of an Adam Neate street piece with a piece of card and a marker pen but it wouldnt be a Neate would it?. All a matter of taste, we cannot all like the same Artists. |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Guest on Nov 25, 2008 2:39:20 GMT 1, I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter.
I own a Case and i think he is a great artist, Im not forcing anyone to like or buy his work and im not hyping him to force up prices. To say that people big up artists and then move onto the next big thing, is a very sweeping statement. I have art that has been in my collection for 20 years and only buy what i like.
I agree. It's average at best. Don't believe the hype from the "galleries" and from the people who have recently bought one of the works. Its all a 3 month bubble with much of this stuff. Buy, sell, profit and then move on to the next artist to make a quick buck on. I'm an illustrator. Give me £1000.00 and I'll run you up something similar and I'll donate £950.00 of it to Shelter. I own a Case and i think he is a great artist, Im not forcing anyone to like or buy his work and im not hyping him to force up prices. To say that people big up artists and then move onto the next big thing, is a very sweeping statement. I have art that has been in my collection for 20 years and only buy what i like. |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 25, 2008 8:48:32 GMT 1, That's right ronhill.
There are a few too many ill thought out sweeping statements flying around and it's a bit disappointing when you come across what started out being an unusually interesting and informative thread.
I doubt a real dull and boring piece would have provoked such a response.
Lots of artists are indeed at saturation point but I think you'd have to aim that comment at one of those with a show and a print run release every month.
I hardly think Case falls into that category when you'd struggle to find half a dozen examples of his work across these threads.
That's right ronhill.
There are a few too many ill thought out sweeping statements flying around and it's a bit disappointing when you come across what started out being an unusually interesting and informative thread.
I doubt a real dull and boring piece would have provoked such a response.
Lots of artists are indeed at saturation point but I think you'd have to aim that comment at one of those with a show and a print run release every month.
I hardly think Case falls into that category when you'd struggle to find half a dozen examples of his work across these threads.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Gallery My Arse on Nov 25, 2008 10:31:37 GMT 1, Buy what you like. If you like it, that's great but to a lot of people on these boards it's really average work. It's produced such a response not because of the quality of the piece. It's about the hype created for a month or two so "online galleries" can buy from an artist and then flip at huge profits. "Online Galleries" buy up a whole load of work by an artist, write a load of nonsense on here and people dive in. Wait a few months and then buy a piece when they've moved on to the next thing to be shamelessly plugged. I've only been buying art for 10 years or so, so not as long as ronhill, but just scratch a little under the surface and outside of the real galleries who do promote, invest, encourage and so on there is a load of bollocks going on, particularly with so called Urban Art.
Buy what you like. If you like it, that's great but to a lot of people on these boards it's really average work. It's produced such a response not because of the quality of the piece. It's about the hype created for a month or two so "online galleries" can buy from an artist and then flip at huge profits. "Online Galleries" buy up a whole load of work by an artist, write a load of nonsense on here and people dive in. Wait a few months and then buy a piece when they've moved on to the next thing to be shamelessly plugged. I've only been buying art for 10 years or so, so not as long as ronhill, but just scratch a little under the surface and outside of the real galleries who do promote, invest, encourage and so on there is a load of bollocks going on, particularly with so called Urban Art.
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by wiz on Nov 25, 2008 11:06:53 GMT 1, Buy what you like. If you like it, that's great but to a lot of people on these boards it's really average work. It's produced such a response not because of the quality of the piece. It's about the hype created for a month or two so "online galleries" can buy from an artist and then flip at huge profits. "Online Galleries" buy up a whole load of work by an artist, write a load of nonsense on here and people dive in. Wait a few months and then buy a piece when they've moved on to the next thing to be shamelessly plugged. I've only been buying art for 10 years or so, so not as long as ronhill, but just scratch a little under the surface and outside of the real galleries who do promote, invest, encourage and so on there is a load of bollocks going on, particularly with so called Urban Art.
I realise this. To me a lot of other artists work is average, i dont buy it. I have only been been collecting art for forty odd years, i bought my first commission in 1960, i have also been in the design game since then so yes i know what you mean re hype and supply etc. but after the initial first few years i have only ever bought what i liked myself .... i hope 
Buy what you like. If you like it, that's great but to a lot of people on these boards it's really average work. It's produced such a response not because of the quality of the piece. It's about the hype created for a month or two so "online galleries" can buy from an artist and then flip at huge profits. "Online Galleries" buy up a whole load of work by an artist, write a load of nonsense on here and people dive in. Wait a few months and then buy a piece when they've moved on to the next thing to be shamelessly plugged. I've only been buying art for 10 years or so, so not as long as ronhill, but just scratch a little under the surface and outside of the real galleries who do promote, invest, encourage and so on there is a load of bollocks going on, particularly with so called Urban Art. I realise this. To me a lot of other artists work is average, i dont buy it. I have only been been collecting art for forty odd years, i bought my first commission in 1960, i have also been in the design game since then so yes i know what you mean re hype and supply etc. but after the initial first few years i have only ever bought what i liked myself .... i hope |
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Campbarbossa Gallery, by Poppy Sunshine on Nov 25, 2008 11:09:36 GMT 1, Thanks for that gallerymyarse I get a bit more of what you are saying.
It's a bit difficult sometimes to appreciate who's having a general moan and who actually has a point to make.
The opportunity for online galleries to hype an artist and create some price inflation is certainly a cause for concern.
I think certain measures come in now and again to help curb this and generally they are by the real galleries as you put it who only want to promote certain artists for the right reasons.
Even then there is as always the huge difference in taste and opinion about an artists work such as with Jose Parla.
Elms seem to be looking after him and not allowing his work to be flipped if they can help it but there is still a big divide in opinion about whether it's scribble which anyones 3 year old could do or whether the guy is a genius.
Herakut have this commission only thing going on at the moment and it's been mentioned that if you can get one you can't sell it for 2 years.
Even then there are the lovers and haters of their work.
A lot of people are jumping on the urban art bandwagon at the moment as the next great thing and pushing up the price of some real crap.
However, as you say, buy what you like and right now I like Case and it has nothing to do with investment or what anyone else has said I simply like his stuff.
What's to your taste gallerymyarse?
Thanks for that gallerymyarse I get a bit more of what you are saying.
It's a bit difficult sometimes to appreciate who's having a general moan and who actually has a point to make.
The opportunity for online galleries to hype an artist and create some price inflation is certainly a cause for concern.
I think certain measures come in now and again to help curb this and generally they are by the real galleries as you put it who only want to promote certain artists for the right reasons.
Even then there is as always the huge difference in taste and opinion about an artists work such as with Jose Parla.
Elms seem to be looking after him and not allowing his work to be flipped if they can help it but there is still a big divide in opinion about whether it's scribble which anyones 3 year old could do or whether the guy is a genius.
Herakut have this commission only thing going on at the moment and it's been mentioned that if you can get one you can't sell it for 2 years.
Even then there are the lovers and haters of their work.
A lot of people are jumping on the urban art bandwagon at the moment as the next great thing and pushing up the price of some real crap.
However, as you say, buy what you like and right now I like Case and it has nothing to do with investment or what anyone else has said I simply like his stuff.
What's to your taste gallerymyarse?
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