poppy
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this may pi55 you off but , by poppy on Aug 27, 2008 23:48:34 GMT 1, hello while browsing on here now and then when people sell there stuff framed they add that on to the cost quoting price it cost and glass etc.
In my eyes as a buyer i normally want my own framing for my walls and if you paid 3-400 pound for framing that should either be your/my problem as you paid for it for your wall or it should be at a very reduced price.
If i ever want to sell anything or am not 100% i try not to frame it full stop if i think its a wall piece for sure its framed and thats it. If i then sell ii reuse the frame for something else where poss or take the hit.
If i chose museum glass thats my choice i dont think this cost should be passed on, i have seen many bits on here i would buy but they have the wrong frames and i can get a better price on the bay as there print is unframed and so mint never touched with tape etc.
Say what you think its my veiw whats yours
hello while browsing on here now and then when people sell there stuff framed they add that on to the cost quoting price it cost and glass etc.
In my eyes as a buyer i normally want my own framing for my walls and if you paid 3-400 pound for framing that should either be your/my problem as you paid for it for your wall or it should be at a very reduced price.
If i ever want to sell anything or am not 100% i try not to frame it full stop if i think its a wall piece for sure its framed and thats it. If i then sell ii reuse the frame for something else where poss or take the hit.
If i chose museum glass thats my choice i dont think this cost should be passed on, i have seen many bits on here i would buy but they have the wrong frames and i can get a better price on the bay as there print is unframed and so mint never touched with tape etc.
Say what you think its my veiw whats yours
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this may pi55 you off but , by rosstierney on Aug 28, 2008 0:02:14 GMT 1, as a rule i steer clear of framed prints because that 'professional' frame you're paying the extra premium for might not be so 'professional'
i'd rather have it done myself for peace of mind, especially if something went wrong, eg. tape damage, i'd only have the framer & i to blame
as a rule i steer clear of framed prints because that 'professional' frame you're paying the extra premium for might not be so 'professional'
i'd rather have it done myself for peace of mind, especially if something went wrong, eg. tape damage, i'd only have the framer & i to blame
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moleman
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this may pi55 you off but , by moleman on Aug 28, 2008 0:10:58 GMT 1, mr frameman all the way i say
only bought one framed print myself would do it again but not the prefered option
mr frameman all the way i say
only bought one framed print myself would do it again but not the prefered option
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this may pi55 you off but , by snakes on Aug 28, 2008 0:25:52 GMT 1, Never buy framed - too risky
Never buy framed - too risky
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moleman
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this may pi55 you off but , by moleman on Aug 28, 2008 0:31:49 GMT 1, come on mojo somethings have to be framed like massive bits or flags as they will suffer from being lefty in a tube or stored under the bed
come on mojo somethings have to be framed like massive bits or flags as they will suffer from being lefty in a tube or stored under the bed
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rkitek
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this may pi55 you off but , by rkitek on Aug 28, 2008 0:39:55 GMT 1, Also, what about gallery pieces -- quite a few pieces come framed so it really makes little sense to take the pieces out of the frame chosen by the gallery and/or artist (i.e., Parla at Elms).
Also, what about gallery pieces -- quite a few pieces come framed so it really makes little sense to take the pieces out of the frame chosen by the gallery and/or artist (i.e., Parla at Elms).
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this may pi55 you off but , by rosstierney on Aug 28, 2008 0:52:29 GMT 1, framed originals from a gallery would be an exception for me
framed originals from a gallery would be an exception for me
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jB
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this may pi55 you off but , by jB on Aug 28, 2008 1:40:17 GMT 1, or shipped with Plexi Glass
or shipped with Plexi Glass
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this may pi55 you off but , by manty on Aug 28, 2008 1:50:14 GMT 1, Most of the stuff i have bought have been kept in portfolios or tubes instead of being framed.
I would much prefer to buy framed ( providing I like the frame of course) than tubed
Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall
Most of the stuff i have bought have been kept in portfolios or tubes instead of being framed.
I would much prefer to buy framed ( providing I like the frame of course) than tubed
Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall
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holden
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this may pi55 you off but , by holden on Aug 28, 2008 3:22:19 GMT 1, Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall
1. $
2. Tastes change
3. You become educated in taste and a palate/palette becomes honed to what you 'really' like. Buying bad art is all part of the learning curve and your bad is someone else's great art.....thank god! Then lets be honest we hope #1 applies because no only does it mean you can afford the next piece, it massages your ego telling you that you have great taste (#3)!
4. and this I have found most applies to myself, I would rather but another piece than frame the last so by the time I get to framing it #2 applies and I no longer like it which contributes to the process of #3 and hopefully lead to big #1's
Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall 1. $ 2. Tastes change 3. You become educated in taste and a palate/palette becomes honed to what you 'really' like. Buying bad art is all part of the learning curve and your bad is someone else's great art.....thank god! Then lets be honest we hope #1 applies because no only does it mean you can afford the next piece, it massages your ego telling you that you have great taste (#3)! 4. and this I have found most applies to myself, I would rather but another piece than frame the last so by the time I get to framing it #2 applies and I no longer like it which contributes to the process of #3 and hopefully lead to big #1's |
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Heavyconsumer
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this may pi55 you off but , by Heavyconsumer on Aug 28, 2008 5:59:52 GMT 1, Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall 1. $ 2. Tastes change 3. You become educated in taste and a palate/palette becomes honed to what you 'really' like. Buying bad art is all part of the learning curve and your bad is someone else's great art.....thank god! Then lets be honest we hope #1 applies because no only does it mean you can afford the next piece, it massages your ego telling you that you have great taste (#3)! 4. and this I have found most applies to myself, I would rather but another piece than frame the last so by the time I get to framing it #2 applies and I no longer like it which contributes to the process of #3 and hopefully lead to big #1's
There's definitly some sense in this for me too. I have some pieces which I haven't picked up from the UK yet, which I have also decided I no longer want on the wall. That is certainly not a reflection of my original intention when I bought. My tastes have changed in the year since I was last home, my walls have (or will have) more on them and the blend/clash element has now to be considered more than when I bought certain other pieces too (although I admit to failing in this area so far).
I know that many here will empathise when I say sometimes I see a newly released image and I just like it too much to say no. This inevitably means that some pieces I'd intended to hang will immediately become less indispensible. I think it's just the nature of only having one home's worth of walls to fill (and not a large one at that), yet still keeping an eye on what's on offer.
Original point here - I don't buy framed prints because it's logistically very difficult/expensive to get framed pieces to Brazil. I've been through it and would only repeat the process for a very, very special piece! (note the arse-covering at the end there ;D)
Always seems a shame to me that a large amount of prints are kept in a folder or tube. Sometimes like now I wonder why, if they liked it so much to buy in the first place why didnt they like it enough to put it on their wall 1. $ 2. Tastes change 3. You become educated in taste and a palate/palette becomes honed to what you 'really' like. Buying bad art is all part of the learning curve and your bad is someone else's great art.....thank god! Then lets be honest we hope #1 applies because no only does it mean you can afford the next piece, it massages your ego telling you that you have great taste (#3)! 4. and this I have found most applies to myself, I would rather but another piece than frame the last so by the time I get to framing it #2 applies and I no longer like it which contributes to the process of #3 and hopefully lead to big #1's There's definitly some sense in this for me too. I have some pieces which I haven't picked up from the UK yet, which I have also decided I no longer want on the wall. That is certainly not a reflection of my original intention when I bought. My tastes have changed in the year since I was last home, my walls have (or will have) more on them and the blend/clash element has now to be considered more than when I bought certain other pieces too (although I admit to failing in this area so far). I know that many here will empathise when I say sometimes I see a newly released image and I just like it too much to say no. This inevitably means that some pieces I'd intended to hang will immediately become less indispensible. I think it's just the nature of only having one home's worth of walls to fill (and not a large one at that), yet still keeping an eye on what's on offer. Original point here - I don't buy framed prints because it's logistically very difficult/expensive to get framed pieces to Brazil. I've been through it and would only repeat the process for a very, very special piece! (note the arse-covering at the end there ;D) |
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holden
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this may pi55 you off but , by holden on Aug 28, 2008 7:38:06 GMT 1, Original point here - I don't buy framed prints because it's logistically very difficult/expensive to get framed pieces to Brazil. I've been through it and would only repeat the process for a very, very special piece! (note the arse-covering at the end there ;D)
Agree on rest of your post.......
and back to point...... ditto on the sending to Oz of framed pieces....it would have to be a blinding piece, well packaged, shipped, insured, all obviously rather expensive..... its generally impractical
Original point here - I don't buy framed prints because it's logistically very difficult/expensive to get framed pieces to Brazil. I've been through it and would only repeat the process for a very, very special piece! (note the arse-covering at the end there ;D) Agree on rest of your post....... and back to point...... ditto on the sending to Oz of framed pieces....it would have to be a blinding piece, well packaged, shipped, insured, all obviously rather expensive..... its generally impractical |
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this may pi55 you off but , by craigf on Aug 28, 2008 8:11:03 GMT 1, Buying framed = goes straight on the wall ;D
Buying in a tube = goes straight into a folder 
Obviously depends on how it has been framed and by whom, plus the "premium" being charged for the frame. If I was selling I would be looking to recover on some / most of the framing cost if the print hasn't gone up much in value. If the print has appreciated I would have already be covering some or all of the framing cost so it doesn't matter / isn't needed.
Buying framed = goes straight on the wall ;D Buying in a tube = goes straight into a folder Obviously depends on how it has been framed and by whom, plus the "premium" being charged for the frame. If I was selling I would be looking to recover on some / most of the framing cost if the print hasn't gone up much in value. If the print has appreciated I would have already be covering some or all of the framing cost so it doesn't matter / isn't needed. |
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kitkit
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this may pi55 you off but , by kitkit on Aug 28, 2008 9:39:48 GMT 1, i think thats a fair point that if you get it framed its much less of a hassle but i do love that feeling of when you get a piece back from the framers knowing exactly where your going to put it!!
i think thats a fair point that if you get it framed its much less of a hassle but i do love that feeling of when you get a piece back from the framers knowing exactly where your going to put it!!
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this may pi55 you off but , by Winter on Aug 28, 2008 9:43:22 GMT 1, I had my Neate WSP framed by the same guy at John Jones that framed Adam's show. Cost ยฃ580 and is a work of art in itself. It is painted white standard gallery style and is probably one of the best pieces of framing money can buy.
To say 'never buy framed - too risky' is a foolish generalisation
I had my Neate WSP framed by the same guy at John Jones that framed Adam's show. Cost ยฃ580 and is a work of art in itself. It is painted white standard gallery style and is probably one of the best pieces of framing money can buy.
To say 'never buy framed - too risky' is a foolish generalisation
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this may pi55 you off but , by weaver on Aug 28, 2008 9:49:14 GMT 1, I had my Neate WSP framed by the same guy at John Jones that framed Adam's show. Cost ยฃ580 and is a work of art in itself. It is painted white standard gallery style and is probably one of the best pieces of framing money can buy. To say 'never buy framed - too risky' is a foolish generalisation
I had my Neate WSP framed by the same guy at John Jones that framed Adam's show. Cost ยฃ580 and is a work of art in itself. It is painted white standard gallery style and is probably one of the best pieces of framing money can buy. To say 'never buy framed - too risky' is a foolish generalisation It might be a foolish generalisation, but as always its a case of buyer beware as frames / mounts can be used to hide all manner of evils. Its always best to have things checked propperly than take someones word that the 5grand print your going to buy is fine.... |
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this may pi55 you off but , by craigf on Aug 28, 2008 10:03:54 GMT 1, So in summary buying framed can be good, can be bad, but the main message is buyer beware ;D
So in summary buying framed can be good, can be bad, but the main message is buyer beware ;D
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this may pi55 you off but , by dotdot on Aug 28, 2008 10:20:20 GMT 1, framed versus unframed.
Well I'm pretty flexible...
if it's a nice frame - not mounted - we're in ...
if it's unframed stored well - cool..
( if it's been tubed for 2 years - I'm generally not impressed
- but that goes without saying ..)
I agree (JC) that frames can be used to hide blemishes - esp
waves in the print - ie when the frame is pressed up against
the print then photo'ed for ebay.
I've bought under all the above circumstances... including when the
frame was not great at all.. - but thought "hey that's putting people off
- I'm getting a bargain" - and ahem i did  (but hey the postage was
35quid.. oops).
ps - I draw the line at clip frames - "criminal" offence.
framed versus unframed. Well I'm pretty flexible... if it's a nice frame - not mounted - we're in ... if it's unframed stored well - cool.. ( if it's been tubed for 2 years - I'm generally not impressed - but that goes without saying ..) I agree (JC) that frames can be used to hide blemishes - esp waves in the print - ie when the frame is pressed up against the print then photo'ed for ebay. I've bought under all the above circumstances... including when the frame was not great at all.. - but thought "hey that's putting people off - I'm getting a bargain" - and ahem i did (but hey the postage was 35quid.. oops). ps - I draw the line at clip frames - "criminal" offence. |
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this may pi55 you off but , by weeble on Aug 28, 2008 10:25:09 GMT 1, I'd pay extra for the frame if it looked good to me - which means straight on the wall! 
I'd pay extra for the frame if it looked good to me - which means straight on the wall! |
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this may pi55 you off but , by graeme501 on Aug 28, 2008 10:33:37 GMT 1, if its in a white or black framed box by mr.frameman, it stays, anything else ... its gone
i had a micallef NOUM that was framed by railings, but it was a black frame with a white mount ... out it came the wrong frame can spoil the right print/og
if its in a white or black framed box by mr.frameman, it stays, anything else ... its gone i had a micallef NOUM that was framed by railings, but it was a black frame with a white mount ... out it came the wrong frame can spoil the right print/og |
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(but hey the postage was 
