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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by mcnuts on Feb 25, 2009 22:57:01 GMT 1, good post slowmo. This will be a fun thread to read with hindsight
good post slowmo. This will be a fun thread to read with hindsight
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 26, 2009 0:01:44 GMT 1, A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art.
A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 26, 2009 0:10:25 GMT 1, spanksy - the watercolours are originals.
spanksy - the watercolours are originals.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by spanksy on Feb 26, 2009 0:14:15 GMT 1, A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art.
In one word . . . YES!
A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art. In one word . . . YES!
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Francis on Feb 26, 2009 0:27:19 GMT 1, A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art.
What does this have to do with prices?
A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art. What does this have to do with prices?
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 26, 2009 1:04:23 GMT 1, More to do with motivation than prices.
More to do with motivation than prices.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Coach on Feb 26, 2009 1:09:54 GMT 1, A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art.
This accords with my sentiments. Exactly.
A point that also seems to have been missed, is believing in an artist at a relatively early stage in his career, I believe in Parla wholeheartedly and have put my money were my mouth is. Now of course I would prefer that my capital outlay did not diminish greatly if things ever turn out for the worse and I need to sell; but I have bought the art not as an investment (as a lot of contemporary art that smausages relate to seems to be sold) but because I have happended upon an artist who when I see his work I have a real connection with and moves me in a way that no other living artist has, that may sound far fetched but it is true. Isn't that the reason we should be buying and appreciating art. This accords with my sentiments. Exactly.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by cookiemonster on Feb 26, 2009 1:13:13 GMT 1, interesting how in recent auctions the watercolours and prints - havent gotten close to the levels in price or return some had predicted - the sothebys auction is the first real test within a contemporary scene to measure the collectability factor of Parla. There will be a lot of twitchy bums when this lot comes up, that is for sure.
If you speak with serious art collectors, Parla is a speculative artist, rather than an established one.
interesting how in recent auctions the watercolours and prints - havent gotten close to the levels in price or return some had predicted - the sothebys auction is the first real test within a contemporary scene to measure the collectability factor of Parla. There will be a lot of twitchy bums when this lot comes up, that is for sure.
If you speak with serious art collectors, Parla is a speculative artist, rather than an established one.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 26, 2009 1:16:19 GMT 1, Speculative in terms of monetary return, appreciated in terms of artistic merit.
Speculative in terms of monetary return, appreciated in terms of artistic merit.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by skelly on Feb 26, 2009 1:21:47 GMT 1, Looking at the auction results the past couple nights I would have to rescind my estimate of 30-40K after the results of those Banksys. How about that Gangsta Rat, a large great unique canvas of a classic image for less than 40k. I would still guess this busts estimates, but maybe around 18-25k
Looking at the auction results the past couple nights I would have to rescind my estimate of 30-40K after the results of those Banksys. How about that Gangsta Rat, a large great unique canvas of a classic image for less than 40k. I would still guess this busts estimates, but maybe around 18-25k
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by cookiemonster on Feb 26, 2009 1:36:11 GMT 1, both walk hand in hand cocteau - you assess artistic merit by how much it cost you. ;D I cannot help but think that the pricing of Parla by galleries like Elms and Cristina, Il Triglinero, over the last couple of years has been on the back of the phenomenon of urban art, in particular Banksy, as it is urban art collectors who give Parla the most recognition.
I guess also Parla's collectability can be gauged by what is still available at both Elms and Cristina
both walk hand in hand cocteau - you assess artistic merit by how much it cost you. ;D I cannot help but think that the pricing of Parla by galleries like Elms and Cristina, Il Triglinero, over the last couple of years has been on the back of the phenomenon of urban art, in particular Banksy, as it is urban art collectors who give Parla the most recognition.
I guess also Parla's collectability can be gauged by what is still available at both Elms and Cristina
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by snausages on Feb 26, 2009 2:23:47 GMT 1, >Irrational exuberance has been doused,<
But irrational exuberance still exists. Look at Kaws or the Hope poster mania. There's always something that people will chase no matter what they should have learned form the past. I'll give you all congratulations if it does go for 80k (and strong advice to consign you Parla's now!) But we've now all seen work here sell for hundreds of thousands that the next year won't go for half that so don't count your chickens no matter what happens.
My problem with Parla is that concept is king in the art world. Although he paints pretty pictures, they're borderline decorative, they are technically very proficient but they're not groundbreaking and I don't see Parla adding anything on a deeper or conceptual level to the world of art, at least not on the same level of other painters in the price range you think he's worth โ the contemporary art world doesn't want pretty, they want smart, clever, witty, intellectual. There is a market for him but I just don't see him becoming a darling of the art world like so many hope.
LOL but it's already gone!
>Irrational exuberance has been doused,<
But irrational exuberance still exists. Look at Kaws or the Hope poster mania. There's always something that people will chase no matter what they should have learned form the past. I'll give you all congratulations if it does go for 80k (and strong advice to consign you Parla's now!) But we've now all seen work here sell for hundreds of thousands that the next year won't go for half that so don't count your chickens no matter what happens.
My problem with Parla is that concept is king in the art world. Although he paints pretty pictures, they're borderline decorative, they are technically very proficient but they're not groundbreaking and I don't see Parla adding anything on a deeper or conceptual level to the world of art, at least not on the same level of other painters in the price range you think he's worth โ the contemporary art world doesn't want pretty, they want smart, clever, witty, intellectual. There is a market for him but I just don't see him becoming a darling of the art world like so many hope.
LOL but it's already gone!
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by mose on Feb 26, 2009 2:39:39 GMT 1, LOL but it's already gone!
Yeah, quickly after posting I decided it would be best to take the conversation elsewhere....
Though, I actually regret it now as your comments with regard to conceptual level and grounbreaking are very thought-provoking and remind me of many conversations I've had with friends about Cy Twombly's work, and comments here by another poster who stated(paraphrased), "Parla's work is evolutionary, not revolutionary"
Just as an aside, I do believe we will see an eventually evolution of Parla's work. Hints of it have been appearing in recent work. There's smoke, hopefully fire follows.....
LOL but it's already gone! Yeah, quickly after posting I decided it would be best to take the conversation elsewhere.... Though, I actually regret it now as your comments with regard to conceptual level and grounbreaking are very thought-provoking and remind me of many conversations I've had with friends about Cy Twombly's work, and comments here by another poster who stated(paraphrased), "Parla's work is evolutionary, not revolutionary" Just as an aside, I do believe we will see an eventually evolution of Parla's work. Hints of it have been appearing in recent work. There's smoke, hopefully fire follows.....
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by manty on Feb 26, 2009 7:22:03 GMT 1, Good post.
I know this thing is about money for most people, but I do think the galleries have a responsibility to try to prevent people buying from them who just shove it auction shortly after purchase.
Its not good for anyone who likes or collects the artist
I know it doesnt really apply to this peice as its a few years old, but as slowmo says it can cause the artist long term damage and stop people investing in them as no one really likes to fritter away money regardless of how much they like the look of thier purchase
How many ยฃ75K canvases have sold, also, those willing to drop ยฃ12K on this auction, what about ยฃ18K? I think this could be priced right, could also be very very wrong going on this forum feedback. Something that is beginning to click is that Elms are responsible for making Neate a relative auction failure with their aggressive primary pricing (its far higher than anyone at auction is willing to pay, so people question why they should pay that much primary), this could well cause him long term damage. Could this auction start a backlash in primary pricing for Parla if history repeats and this meets its estimates only and not the ยฃ75K it must surely reach to justify his current primary pricing? Now looking forward to this auction more than ever.
Good post. I know this thing is about money for most people, but I do think the galleries have a responsibility to try to prevent people buying from them who just shove it auction shortly after purchase. Its not good for anyone who likes or collects the artist I know it doesnt really apply to this peice as its a few years old, but as slowmo says it can cause the artist long term damage and stop people investing in them as no one really likes to fritter away money regardless of how much they like the look of thier purchase How many ยฃ75K canvases have sold, also, those willing to drop ยฃ12K on this auction, what about ยฃ18K? I think this could be priced right, could also be very very wrong going on this forum feedback. Something that is beginning to click is that Elms are responsible for making Neate a relative auction failure with their aggressive primary pricing (its far higher than anyone at auction is willing to pay, so people question why they should pay that much primary), this could well cause him long term damage. Could this auction start a backlash in primary pricing for Parla if history repeats and this meets its estimates only and not the ยฃ75K it must surely reach to justify his current primary pricing? Now looking forward to this auction more than ever.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Francis on Feb 26, 2009 8:36:24 GMT 1, Maybe Parla should adopt the Hirst auction model and put all his future works for sale in an auction, to prevent all this widespread flipping that is happening with his artwork. He should get more of the money, not flippers.
Maybe Parla should adopt the Hirst auction model and put all his future works for sale in an auction, to prevent all this widespread flipping that is happening with his artwork. He should get more of the money, not flippers.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by guest2 on Feb 26, 2009 9:15:21 GMT 1, Even though I do agree that the current estimate for the Parla is a s**t-take by Sotheby's, I also think 75K GBP is a joke as well for a piece by anyone in this current movement besides Banksy
I think Parla considers himself to be a contemporary artist with roots fro the streets and not a guerilla street artist and I gather he hates to be pigeon holed into the bansky category. Not sure we'll see him at elms lesters again. He was hanging out with Murakami and co in London earlier this month. Hmmmm - wonder if thats business or pleasure?
When the rest of the over hyped, over priced and irresponsibly 'placed' artists are busted it will be the Parlas of the world rising to the top and on their own merits. The man is an Artist - through and through an he is brilliant.
Even though I do agree that the current estimate for the Parla is a s**t-take by Sotheby's, I also think 75K GBP is a joke as well for a piece by anyone in this current movement besides Banksy I think Parla considers himself to be a contemporary artist with roots fro the streets and not a guerilla street artist and I gather he hates to be pigeon holed into the bansky category. Not sure we'll see him at elms lesters again. He was hanging out with Murakami and co in London earlier this month. Hmmmm - wonder if thats business or pleasure? When the rest of the over hyped, over priced and irresponsibly 'placed' artists are busted it will be the Parlas of the world rising to the top and on their own merits. The man is an Artist - through and through an he is brilliant.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by chav on Feb 26, 2009 9:47:12 GMT 1, both walk hand in hand cocteau - you assess artistic merit by how much it cost you. ;D I cannot help but think that the pricing of Parla by galleries like Elms and Cristina, Il Triglinero, over the last couple of years has been on the back of the phenomenon of urban art, in particular Banksy, as it is urban art collectors who give Parla the most recognition. I guess also Parla's collectability can be gauged by what is still available at both Elms and Cristina
This is very true, you have to hand it to them though, these gallerys managed to squeeze a lot of cash out of people whilst the going was good, Parla is extremely overrated and laughably overpriced - are people finally waking up to this fact?, I think so, watch this space........
both walk hand in hand cocteau - you assess artistic merit by how much it cost you. ;D I cannot help but think that the pricing of Parla by galleries like Elms and Cristina, Il Triglinero, over the last couple of years has been on the back of the phenomenon of urban art, in particular Banksy, as it is urban art collectors who give Parla the most recognition. I guess also Parla's collectability can be gauged by what is still available at both Elms and CristinaThis is very true, you have to hand it to them though, these gallerys managed to squeeze a lot of cash out of people whilst the going was good, Parla is extremely overrated and laughably overpriced - are people finally waking up to this fact?, I think so, watch this space........
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Simococo on Feb 26, 2009 10:06:19 GMT 1, its one piece in one auction its bearing on the future success of Parla is zero
its one piece in one auction its bearing on the future success of Parla is zero
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by spanksy on Feb 26, 2009 10:59:52 GMT 1, all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market?
I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold.
all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market?
I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by hlarmy on Feb 26, 2009 11:25:01 GMT 1, all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market? I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold.
There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms Lesters (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment??
Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this...
all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market? I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold. There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms Lesters (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment?? Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this...
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by wiz on Feb 26, 2009 11:27:32 GMT 1, Whos "Elms"?.
Whos "Elms"?.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by spanksy on Feb 26, 2009 11:34:49 GMT 1, all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market? I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold. There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment?? Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this...
Of course i dont know who elms are selling, in fact i question whether they sell anything judging by their pricing
what im saying is i dont understand where this huge valuation has come from? Normally the buzz is created by staggering auction sales and/or high press of which parla has neither?
If there is a market for the 75k pieces and they are selling then ill concede this point. and it was meerly a point of topic and an observation not an argument . . .
my friends in the art-world (outside the banksy forum) have pretty much no interest/knowledge of Parla.
its not a knock against him as i like his work. but a question? Has anyone on the forum spend 50k Plus on an original?
all this negative energy towards Parla makes me wonder why his prices are so high ? I have been trying to purchase a water colour recently or any parla original as a matter of fact, but cant justify spending 10k PLUS for a small piece by a relatively unknown artist (away from this forum), and when an ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL auction house places this sort of estimate its just amplifies how inflated these pice are. BUT WHY are the galleries selling Parla's art at these prices, are they letting their expectations and OPINIONS cloud the actual reality of the market? I just think that the power of this forum is seemingly so strong that it can dictate 'smaller' artist prices without anything being bought/sold. There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment?? Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this... Of course i dont know who elms are selling, in fact i question whether they sell anything judging by their pricing what im saying is i dont understand where this huge valuation has come from? Normally the buzz is created by staggering auction sales and/or high press of which parla has neither? If there is a market for the 75k pieces and they are selling then ill concede this point. and it was meerly a point of topic and an observation not an argument . . . my friends in the art-world (outside the banksy forum) have pretty much no interest/knowledge of Parla. its not a knock against him as i like his work. but a question? Has anyone on the forum spend 50k Plus on an original?
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by mike hunt on Feb 26, 2009 12:51:14 GMT 1, Something that is beginning to click is that Elms are responsible for making Neate a relative auction failure with their aggressive primary pricing (its far higher than anyone at auction is willing to pay, so people question why they should pay that much primary), this could well cause him long term damage.
Bang on - short term gain won and it still annoys me, because I think Adam Neate is very very good.
Something that is beginning to click is that Elms are responsible for making Neate a relative auction failure with their aggressive primary pricing (its far higher than anyone at auction is willing to pay, so people question why they should pay that much primary), this could well cause him long term damage. Bang on - short term gain won and it still annoys me, because I think Adam Neate is very very good.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by jimbob68 on Feb 26, 2009 15:02:31 GMT 1, Who controls the price of artists at a a gallery? Do the artists lose all control and have prices imposed on them? I must admit that I am not very much on top of the mechanics of artist / gallery contracts. I know that the usual split of a sale is 50-50 and that some galleries pay a monthly keeper fee to stop a popuilar artist going elsewhere but that is about it. Perhaps Neate and Parla have no say in these issues. It would be interesting to find out
Who controls the price of artists at a a gallery? Do the artists lose all control and have prices imposed on them? I must admit that I am not very much on top of the mechanics of artist / gallery contracts. I know that the usual split of a sale is 50-50 and that some galleries pay a monthly keeper fee to stop a popuilar artist going elsewhere but that is about it. Perhaps Neate and Parla have no say in these issues. It would be interesting to find out
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by funster on Feb 26, 2009 15:12:25 GMT 1, Who controls the price of artists at a a gallery? Do the artists lose all control and have prices imposed on them? I must admit that I am not very much on top of the mechanics of artist / gallery contracts. I know that the usual split of a sale is 50-50 and that some galleries pay a monthly keeper fee to stop a popuilar artist going elsewhere but that is about it. Perhaps Neate and Parla have no say in these issues. It would be interesting to find out
I'm lead to believe that Jose is very keen on setting the pricing and knowing the buyers of the works. Not sure if the sames true for Adam.
Who controls the price of artists at a a gallery? Do the artists lose all control and have prices imposed on them? I must admit that I am not very much on top of the mechanics of artist / gallery contracts. I know that the usual split of a sale is 50-50 and that some galleries pay a monthly keeper fee to stop a popuilar artist going elsewhere but that is about it. Perhaps Neate and Parla have no say in these issues. It would be interesting to find out I'm lead to believe that Jose is very keen on setting the pricing and knowing the buyers of the works. Not sure if the sames true for Adam.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 26, 2009 16:07:46 GMT 1, there is a few galleries/artists that take an interest in where the works go and not just to the person with the most money, good way to do it too
there is a few galleries/artists that take an interest in where the works go and not just to the person with the most money, good way to do it too
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Heavyconsumer
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Feb 26, 2009 16:13:35 GMT 1, if this sells within the estimate then surely all the galleries will have to drop their prices for parlas as I'm trying to get a watercolor and I'm being quoted upwards of 10k and these are less desirable and less values than the originals.
To be honest, I've seen plenty of his watercolours which I'd prefer to this piece (without actually seeing it in person of course). This could be the most "relevant" or "important" piece of his career, but it happens to be one that I'm not too keen on. I dont own any of Parla's work and as such try to take it on a piece by piece basis and this one doesn't get me excited in the way that much of his work does - I prefer the more layered pieces and feel that this lacks a bit of depth in comparison, although I do like the colours.
I'll leave those of you who are either more knowledgable or invested to some degree, to argue the pricing issues surrounding this piece and Parla's work in general. However, it's probably worth noting that the vast majority of Parla's fans (within this street art scene) cannot afford to go out and drop 5/6-figure sums on art in general and I can't help but wonder if this may be his true motivation for "hating to be pigeon holed into the bansky category," and as such, even as a fan of the work myself, I also believe this may well present a major obstacle not only for him, but for many artists looking to "defect" or progress from street to contemporary scenes. The buyers are different and in the case of the latter, it may take some doing for the likes of Parla + Co' to woo the trend-setters of the contemporary art world. I personally feel that his chances are better than most, as there seems to be an almost political element involved in picking up his work at source, which is def' not present for most artists in this scene. As such I have no difficulty in believing Frankie and Funster's comments above. (My personal and perhaps limited view, is that there are a lot less talented artists selling work for more money than Parla in the contemporary scene as it is)
What's been said above regarding Neate's pricing certainly seems very sensible - but if collectors won't bid to ANYWHERE NEAR retail pricing levels in auctions, how on earth do Elms manage to sell out at such levels consistantly? I'm left scratching my head everytime a nice Neate original comes up at auction, as they never seem to reach the lower estimate!
if this sells within the estimate then surely all the galleries will have to drop their prices for parlas as I'm trying to get a watercolor and I'm being quoted upwards of 10k and these are less desirable and less values than the originals. To be honest, I've seen plenty of his watercolours which I'd prefer to this piece (without actually seeing it in person of course). This could be the most "relevant" or "important" piece of his career, but it happens to be one that I'm not too keen on. I dont own any of Parla's work and as such try to take it on a piece by piece basis and this one doesn't get me excited in the way that much of his work does - I prefer the more layered pieces and feel that this lacks a bit of depth in comparison, although I do like the colours. I'll leave those of you who are either more knowledgable or invested to some degree, to argue the pricing issues surrounding this piece and Parla's work in general. However, it's probably worth noting that the vast majority of Parla's fans (within this street art scene) cannot afford to go out and drop 5/6-figure sums on art in general and I can't help but wonder if this may be his true motivation for "hating to be pigeon holed into the bansky category," and as such, even as a fan of the work myself, I also believe this may well present a major obstacle not only for him, but for many artists looking to "defect" or progress from street to contemporary scenes. The buyers are different and in the case of the latter, it may take some doing for the likes of Parla + Co' to woo the trend-setters of the contemporary art world. I personally feel that his chances are better than most, as there seems to be an almost political element involved in picking up his work at source, which is def' not present for most artists in this scene. As such I have no difficulty in believing Frankie and Funster's comments above. (My personal and perhaps limited view, is that there are a lot less talented artists selling work for more money than Parla in the contemporary scene as it is) What's been said above regarding Neate's pricing certainly seems very sensible - but if collectors won't bid to ANYWHERE NEAR retail pricing levels in auctions, how on earth do Elms manage to sell out at such levels consistantly? I'm left scratching my head everytime a nice Neate original comes up at auction, as they never seem to reach the lower estimate!
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by aginghippie on Feb 26, 2009 16:29:26 GMT 1, There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms Lesters (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment?? Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this... For some of us, like me, this is a sideline and because it's still cheap I can collect things I like. My main focus is elsewhere (mostly abstract expressionists for those who are curious) and that's where the bulk of my activity is.
Personally I like Parla but I feel he needs to develop more. At this point If he progresses then I would definitely be interested but at the moment and at those Elms prices there are definitely better places to spend my money. To put this in context I bought a Franz Kline work on canvas last year for 70K GBP and although it was definitely a bargain it shows what is out there and what he is competing against.
There's a lot of talk about certain artists being unknown away from the forum and also the hype the forum can create around an artist; how do people know how popular an artist is 'away from the forum' or is it just an assumption people are making. Without knowing who Elms Lesters (eg) have sold to, is it not somewhat presumptuous to make such a comment?? Not having a go, just interested to here people's thoughts on this... For some of us, like me, this is a sideline and because it's still cheap I can collect things I like. My main focus is elsewhere (mostly abstract expressionists for those who are curious) and that's where the bulk of my activity is. Personally I like Parla but I feel he needs to develop more. At this point If he progresses then I would definitely be interested but at the moment and at those Elms prices there are definitely better places to spend my money. To put this in context I bought a Franz Kline work on canvas last year for 70K GBP and although it was definitely a bargain it shows what is out there and what he is competing against.
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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Francis on Feb 26, 2009 18:31:56 GMT 1, its one piece in one auction its bearing on the future success of Parla is zero
You're very naive and perhaps incontinent if you believe that.
its one piece in one auction its bearing on the future success of Parla is zero You're very naive and perhaps incontinent if you believe that.
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