Enough bickering everyone - let's try to have constructive conversation. Obviously time will tell and someone will say "I told ya so" after the hammer drops.

- Calling Cristina Grajales one of the top NYC galleries is a bit much
- snausages - I still think you're wrong on the 'level' of collector on this forum. Have you tried to sell anything here in the past year? You get ridiculously low offers or a swap that usually involves an Eelus (no offense to Eelus)
- I am interested in what gallery you work at also bc I get to NYC frequently and love meeting fellow collectors/galleries (feel free to PM if you don't want your business public)
- I'd gladly pay $12-15K for this piece if offered privately today. And you could call me a Parla fanatic, a Sotheby's regular contemporary collector, or your b!tch... but I'd have a 4x7 cracking Parla on my walls

I can't help but try to stifle a laugh every time that estimate is mentioned. It is rather funny though, as people are considering whether they would pay around that for this piece.

I would estimate that only 5 or 6 people on here own major parla canvases, that is probably...what? about 9% or 10% of his large canvases. I don't necessarily think this board represents the buying power of the urban art movement

Yes, I've pm'd snausages to apologise if he thought my reply was a bit untoward, I just get sick of people thinking that the only people who buy Parla are confined to this forum, which they are certainly not. As for G I stand by my comments even if they are a bit strong.

£75k + VAT for a 6ft by 4ft currently.

Isn't the point that they do sell out at this price? Doesn't that suggest that there are serious collectors out there with this kind of wedge to spend on Parla?

Or are we to believe that, even at this price, they are being snapped up by "Parla groupies emptying their piggy banks" as suggested by Snausages?

It may not be the traditional collector that he is used to dealing with through his employment but maybe his gallery and many others, and the collectors they serve, are missing a trick here.



Another conspiracy theory to add to the long list that this scene seems to relish.

No I'm not. Of course it's ludicrous and completely alien to me.

surely if it ACTUALLY SELLS at this price then its not ludicrous? If this is the current market price based upon the average price that a piece is sold for rather than the gallery asking price, then surley this price is ok?

Its High, yes, however if people are willing to pay this amount then that is all that matters, a piece is worth as much as someone will pay for it at the end of the day, excuse the cliche!

fucking shit load of cash for a few lashes of a paint brush tho

As much as I like Parla's work 75K is just too much. As pointed out by many on this thread he has no major gallery representation, no works in museum collections(as far as I know) and little auction history. For a fraction of that amount you can get an editioned series of work ( a small edition run at that) by someone like Robin Rhode who has recently had a solo show at the Hayward Gallery and is in the permanent collections of the Tate and MOMA. Parla may get the same recognition one day but until then it's difficult to see how these prices can hold up against more established artists.

art for the people at 75k??

You can buy whatever you like SKanks, but I spoke up because 1. Grajales is not a hugely respected or even widely known gallery in NY. 2. Buy what you want, enjoy what you want, I don't have an issue with that. It's just that the argument I hear is that "once the regular art world finds out about this guy he'll go through the roof." I'm telling you his prices are already through the roof even by "regular art world standards" and if you think "regular collectors" are going to propel him even higher I think you're nuts. Regular collectors are paying less than £75k a canvas for artists who just had solo museum shows at places like LACMA, MOMA and the Whitney. Why would they think Parla is worth more?

Doesn't mean the work is bad, just way overpriced and hyped imo. Anyway, go on and enjoy the show.

No worries, I never mentioned keeping it real as I hate that phrase. Nothing wrong with natural progression and our artists are only now becoming accepted in the mainstream. Hopefully more of them will be accepted as soon as possible but to be honest I dont think they need to be as their fan base is already there.

It will go over estimates because I know people on this forum are just dying to buy a Parla and galleries are trying to charge 8-12k for small watercolors (Personally I think that's WAY too much but we all have opinions). To clarify, my argument was that if this went relatively undiscovered by his hardcore aficionados on this forum and at Elms that it would have a hard time breaking estimates.

But I'd still wager though that it sells well under retail. But what do I know? I don't know what clients Elms is tapping into who are willing to pay £50-200k for a Parla but more power to them if it's true.

And what's different about Neate now?