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Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by inkheads on Jun 2, 2008 16:27:45 GMT 1, so many people wanting a parla. like at elms, everybody wants a neate to. elms say the prices are gonna be in line with what adam's were.(roughly) so for the cheapest neate was ยฃ7K plus VAT. a parla will be the same. 3-4foot sq. neate was ยฃ30K+ plus VAT. then so roughly will parla. big effing neate. ยฃ115K plus VAT. parla the same again. holy shit.
so many people wanting a parla. like at elms, everybody wants a neate to. elms say the prices are gonna be in line with what adam's were.(roughly) so for the cheapest neate was ยฃ7K plus VAT. a parla will be the same. 3-4foot sq. neate was ยฃ30K+ plus VAT. then so roughly will parla. big effing neate. ยฃ115K plus VAT. parla the same again. holy shit.
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by beasty on Jun 2, 2008 16:59:46 GMT 1, Did you get those prices direct from Elms? I've heard that prices are going to rise significantly but these seem quite high ( at least for the big pieces).
The biggest Neates were about 8ft x 5ft I believe whereas the biggest Parla's in Italy were 6ft x 3ft( or 12ft x 6ft if you get a double panel piece).
The 6ft x 3ft pieces in Italy were 50K euros, incl VAT, so anywhere around the 90 - 100K GBP mark represents close to a 250% increase in prices, within 6-7 months!!
I'm glad we bought when we did as we certainly wouldn't be able to afford much at those prices!!
Did you get those prices direct from Elms? I've heard that prices are going to rise significantly but these seem quite high ( at least for the big pieces).
The biggest Neates were about 8ft x 5ft I believe whereas the biggest Parla's in Italy were 6ft x 3ft( or 12ft x 6ft if you get a double panel piece).
The 6ft x 3ft pieces in Italy were 50K euros, incl VAT, so anywhere around the 90 - 100K GBP mark represents close to a 250% increase in prices, within 6-7 months!!
I'm glad we bought when we did as we certainly wouldn't be able to afford much at those prices!!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by ricosg11 on Jun 2, 2008 17:08:01 GMT 1, its all about who your audience is, or who it has become. Infer what you like from that.
its all about who your audience is, or who it has become. Infer what you like from that.
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Winter on Jun 2, 2008 17:35:58 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure there were some pieces in Italy more than 50k euros
I'm pretty sure there were some pieces in Italy more than 50k euros
so many people wanting a parla. like at elms, everybody wants a neate to. elms say the prices are gonna be in line with what adam's were.(roughly) so for the cheapest neate was ยฃ7K plus VAT. a parla will be the same. 3-4foot sq. neate was ยฃ30K+ plus VAT. then so roughly will parla. big effing neate. ยฃ115K plus VAT. parla the same again. holy s**t.
The "cheapest" Parlas in Italy were the watercolours at EUR9000 which was about GBP7000 plus 20% VAT (Italian) i think - so UK8400.
What is said above means the watercolours have gone down in price which cannot be right, unless the UK show has smaller watercolours. Am I correct in my analysis?!
so many people wanting a parla. like at elms, everybody wants a neate to. elms say the prices are gonna be in line with what adam's were.(roughly) so for the cheapest neate was ยฃ7K plus VAT. a parla will be the same. 3-4foot sq. neate was ยฃ30K+ plus VAT. then so roughly will parla. big effing neate. ยฃ115K plus VAT. parla the same again. holy s**t.
The "cheapest" Parlas in Italy were the watercolours at EUR9000 which was about GBP7000 plus 20% VAT (Italian) i think - so UK8400.
What is said above means the watercolours have gone down in price which cannot be right, unless the UK show has smaller watercolours. Am I correct in my analysis?!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by graeme501 on Jun 2, 2008 17:41:29 GMT 1, i think it makes sense for elms to have roughly the same prices for their 2 biggest artists, neate is as desirable as parla, and vise versa
yes they're expensive, but its hardly going to be priced at ยฃ5.99 this pricing should sort out who on their lists are buying for the love of the artist or the instant resale value
i think it makes sense for elms to have roughly the same prices for their 2 biggest artists, neate is as desirable as parla, and vise versa
yes they're expensive, but its hardly going to be priced at ยฃ5.99 this pricing should sort out who on their lists are buying for the love of the artist or the instant resale value
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by onemandown72 on Jun 2, 2008 17:46:01 GMT 1, I tend to agree that the pricing is right - if not frustrating as even if I was considered to buy I certianly haven't got the cash or the collatoral to buy at those prices. Right time to win some money on Euro 2008!
I tend to agree that the pricing is right - if not frustrating as even if I was considered to buy I certianly haven't got the cash or the collatoral to buy at those prices. Right time to win some money on Euro 2008!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by sahoria on Jun 2, 2008 17:49:49 GMT 1, spoke to someone at elms a few days ago... was told for the 3ft pieces would be around ยฃ10-ยฃ15k and for the 6ft region of ยฃ25-ยฃ35k. (estimate as they havent finalised prices yet but hoping to fall in love with certain art piece when i see it and if i do will try hardest to get).
Has anyone tried contacting Jose Parla himself? ...s
spoke to someone at elms a few days ago... was told for the 3ft pieces would be around ยฃ10-ยฃ15k and for the 6ft region of ยฃ25-ยฃ35k. (estimate as they havent finalised prices yet but hoping to fall in love with certain art piece when i see it and if i do will try hardest to get).
Has anyone tried contacting Jose Parla himself? ...s
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by matbat on Jun 2, 2008 18:04:20 GMT 1, i dont think i have ever been anywhere much more expensive than the Uk so im pretty certain elms pricing will be above any others for the appropriate scale of work. Certainly higher than Italy.
i dont think i have ever been anywhere much more expensive than the Uk so im pretty certain elms pricing will be above any others for the appropriate scale of work. Certainly higher than Italy.
spoke to someone at elms a few days ago... was told for the 3ft pieces would be around ยฃ10-ยฃ15k and for the 6ft region of ยฃ25-ยฃ35k. (estimate as they havent finalised prices yet but hoping to fall in love with certain art piece when i see it and if i do will try hardest to get).
Has anyone tried contacting Jose Parla himself? ...s
Whom did you speak with at Elms? The prices you listed are lower than what they were in Italy, so I find it unlikely those will be what the prices are at the next show.
Contacting Parla is futile... he stopped taking commissions last fall.
spoke to someone at elms a few days ago... was told for the 3ft pieces would be around ยฃ10-ยฃ15k and for the 6ft region of ยฃ25-ยฃ35k. (estimate as they havent finalised prices yet but hoping to fall in love with certain art piece when i see it and if i do will try hardest to get).
Has anyone tried contacting Jose Parla himself? ...s
Whom did you speak with at Elms? The prices you listed are lower than what they were in Italy, so I find it unlikely those will be what the prices are at the next show.
Contacting Parla is futile... he stopped taking commissions last fall.
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by inkheads on Jun 2, 2008 18:24:31 GMT 1, sorry to make things abit clearer....
at adam and ron show, the cheapest neates that were done (those spray can portraits) were done so the lowest entry piece, still affordable to you and i were ยฃ7K plus VAT = ยฃ8.25K (i know i got one)
i know the italy price for a watercolour (9K euros including italy tax) is gonna probably stay the same here.. so ยฃ7K ish plus VAT. not 100% sure of this price as we havent got to the exhibition yet. but i dont think elms will raise the price again from italy's prices. that would be stupid and not allow entry level, you and i to buy them.
then moving upto the mid range tier. neates portraits at the show were between ยฃ30-40K plus VAT depending on which one. and these are roughly 3-4foot sq. parla sized is gonna be the same on canvas... wood abit more.
those huge neates (haircut and the bar) were ยฃ115K plus VAT. i am sure for the same size-ish parla gonna be the same, again canvas and wood slightly different
and parla is doing NO commissions. unless you are a millionaire. and even thats not certain.
information from elms is clearly not concrete as its too early. but i am quite sure and other forum members agree. neate and parla on on the same desirable list and their prices are matching this year.
i cant see parla doing anything cheap. those days are gone. just hope elms do a nice book, but i think richard @ il triofoglio nero has set the standard.
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sorry to make things abit clearer....
at adam and ron show, the cheapest neates that were done (those spray can portraits) were done so the lowest entry piece, still affordable to you and i were ยฃ7K plus VAT = ยฃ8.25K (i know i got one)
i know the italy price for a watercolour (9K euros including italy tax) is gonna probably stay the same here.. so ยฃ7K ish plus VAT. not 100% sure of this price as we havent got to the exhibition yet. but i dont think elms will raise the price again from italy's prices. that would be stupid and not allow entry level, you and i to buy them.
then moving upto the mid range tier. neates portraits at the show were between ยฃ30-40K plus VAT depending on which one. and these are roughly 3-4foot sq. parla sized is gonna be the same on canvas... wood abit more.
those huge neates (haircut and the bar) were ยฃ115K plus VAT. i am sure for the same size-ish parla gonna be the same, again canvas and wood slightly different
and parla is doing NO commissions. unless you are a millionaire. and even thats not certain.
information from elms is clearly not concrete as its too early. but i am quite sure and other forum members agree. neate and parla on on the same desirable list and their prices are matching this year.
i cant see parla doing anything cheap. those days are gone. just hope elms do a nice book, but i think richard @ il triofoglio nero has set the standard.
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by stjohn on Jun 2, 2008 18:29:31 GMT 1, Last time I spoke to Paul at Elms he said Neate was popular, but the interest in Parla was unlike anything he had seen before...
Last time I spoke to Paul at Elms he said Neate was popular, but the interest in Parla was unlike anything he had seen before...
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by beasty on Jun 2, 2008 18:48:28 GMT 1, I agree with Jam - I think the chances of the October Elms show being cheaper than the one in March very unlikely. I hope I'm wrong though as it will make his work more accessible to more people.
I tried contacting him directly last year but never got a response. As Jam said though - no more commissions or studio visits.
Moving away from prices - I can fully understand the demand. You can spend ages looking at his work, trying to decipher which layer came 1st, 2nd, etc. Very similar to the feeling when you see a Pollock in the flesh and try to do the same( I had great fun doing this with my 10 yr old in the Whitney recently).
If you get the chance to buy and have the cash go for it - you'll never regret it!
I agree with Jam - I think the chances of the October Elms show being cheaper than the one in March very unlikely. I hope I'm wrong though as it will make his work more accessible to more people.
I tried contacting him directly last year but never got a response. As Jam said though - no more commissions or studio visits.
Moving away from prices - I can fully understand the demand. You can spend ages looking at his work, trying to decipher which layer came 1st, 2nd, etc. Very similar to the feeling when you see a Pollock in the flesh and try to do the same( I had great fun doing this with my 10 yr old in the Whitney recently).
If you get the chance to buy and have the cash go for it - you'll never regret it!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by sahoria on Jun 2, 2008 18:56:28 GMT 1, spoke to paul and fiona...did say not confirmed but those where the prices they was saying when i spoke to them... larger pieces no idea the cost but if the prices they mentioned to me are the actual prices come the show i am sure there will be alot of happy people....including myself... s
spoke to paul and fiona...did say not confirmed but those where the prices they was saying when i spoke to them... larger pieces no idea the cost but if the prices they mentioned to me are the actual prices come the show i am sure there will be alot of happy people....including myself... s
Last time I spoke to Paul at Elms he said Neate was popular, but the interest in Parla was unlike anything he had seen before...
I have heard similar things from folks on both lists. They seem to get Neates offered to them but never get a parla sniff.
i disagree, no one is offering parlas right now but inbetween the elms parla show and the italian parla show there were pieces being offered all round, just very few openly. It's since his last show in italy that people have all decided to hold on. Eric clapton, tom ford and rumors of museum interest helps makes peoples decisions. Not long ago i had a large watercolour and a canvas on submission at no money and no one wanted them but you couldn't find a neate galery piece for love nor money. The owner decided to keep them both due to lack of interest. That was nov/dec 07. 5 months later and they have doubled in price and everyone wants one.
Maybe if the prices rise sharply again you'll see a few people cashing in on their parlas like they are now on their neates. Most people I know who have sold a neate original have all put their money back into another neate though.
These cycles seem to be quiet common in our little art world.
Last time I spoke to Paul at Elms he said Neate was popular, but the interest in Parla was unlike anything he had seen before...
I have heard similar things from folks on both lists. They seem to get Neates offered to them but never get a parla sniff.
i disagree, no one is offering parlas right now but inbetween the elms parla show and the italian parla show there were pieces being offered all round, just very few openly. It's since his last show in italy that people have all decided to hold on. Eric clapton, tom ford and rumors of museum interest helps makes peoples decisions. Not long ago i had a large watercolour and a canvas on submission at no money and no one wanted them but you couldn't find a neate galery piece for love nor money. The owner decided to keep them both due to lack of interest. That was nov/dec 07. 5 months later and they have doubled in price and everyone wants one.
Maybe if the prices rise sharply again you'll see a few people cashing in on their parlas like they are now on their neates. Most people I know who have sold a neate original have all put their money back into another neate though.
These cycles seem to be quiet common in our little art world.
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by RBK on Jun 2, 2008 22:58:06 GMT 1, Galleries don't have to price therir artists the same at all. Comparing Neate's prices to Parla's is pretty dumb if you ask me. We know the prices from The Adam & Ron Show and Parla's Italy show. Speculating on prices, or saying they have to charge about the same because they are Elms marquee artists is pointless.
They are different artists, who work on diff. mediums, had different international exposure, different amount of years showing in galleries, etc.
Knowing what the prices are going to be is one thing; actually having the opportunity to purchase is a whole other can of worms!
Galleries don't have to price therir artists the same at all. Comparing Neate's prices to Parla's is pretty dumb if you ask me. We know the prices from The Adam & Ron Show and Parla's Italy show. Speculating on prices, or saying they have to charge about the same because they are Elms marquee artists is pointless.
They are different artists, who work on diff. mediums, had different international exposure, different amount of years showing in galleries, etc.
Knowing what the prices are going to be is one thing; actually having the opportunity to purchase is a whole other can of worms!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by smallbylo on Jun 3, 2008 0:08:00 GMT 1, More info. He did a collection of clothes, bags, jackets and shoes called June 13th with one designer called Dr Romanelli in 2006... surely expensive, exclusive... far from the streetswalls...
More info. He did a collection of clothes, bags, jackets and shoes called June 13th with one designer called Dr Romanelli in 2006... surely expensive, exclusive... far from the streetswalls...
More info. He did a collection of clothes, bags, jackets and shoes called June 13th with one designer called Dr Romanelli in 2006... surely expensive, exclusive... far from the streetswalls...
You're going to single handedly make his prices crash with all these pics, jose parla rugs, ceramic bowls, t-shirts, handbags and a jacket that looks liked it was designed for the Wanderers at a wedding! Stop right there please
OK, show me the shoes, I gotta see the shoes now!!!
More info. He did a collection of clothes, bags, jackets and shoes called June 13th with one designer called Dr Romanelli in 2006... surely expensive, exclusive... far from the streetswalls...
You're going to single handedly make his prices crash with all these pics, jose parla rugs, ceramic bowls, t-shirts, handbags and a jacket that looks liked it was designed for the Wanderers at a wedding! Stop right there please
OK, show me the shoes, I gotta see the shoes now!!!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 3, 2008 8:37:04 GMT 1, there are some nice bits in that clothing collection, just not that jacket. I quite liked one of the darker ones mind. It would probably cost more than our car though!
there are some nice bits in that clothing collection, just not that jacket. I quite liked one of the darker ones mind. It would probably cost more than our car though!
Jose Parla ๐บ๐ธ New Paintings โข Exhibition News โข For Sale, by stjohn on Jun 3, 2008 9:50:42 GMT 1, Has anyone else noticed the Parla / Murakami connection? Murakami, the king of high art / low art (see thanks given to Murakami in the back of Parla's books), and Parla did a New Year's countdown together in 2006, and then Parla suddenly does all this merchandising!!!
Has anyone else noticed the Parla / Murakami connection? Murakami, the king of high art / low art (see thanks given to Murakami in the back of Parla's books), and Parla did a New Year's countdown together in 2006, and then Parla suddenly does all this merchandising!!!
You're going to single handedly make his prices crash with all these pics, jose parla rugs, ceramic bowls, t-shirts, handbags and a jacket that looks liked it was designed for the Wanderers at a wedding! Stop right there please OK, show me the shoes, I gotta see the shoes now!!!
I am a great reader of the expertise and thoughtful comments from all of you but Iโm not that great in contributing to the forum with insightful comments as I am a newby and I donโt feel enough confortable with English . What I really know is that I like Parla (And a lot more!) and that a I am good in googleing. Let me contribute with these kind of info to the global knowledge of this great artist.
GRAND WORLD TOUR The beautiful artistic initiative where Josรฉ Parlรก seems to put a lot of his energy and where he takes a lot of inspiration for his multicultural memorywalls pieces. (One of the reasons why I feel him in the highest division in art right now, his global vision) Is documented by his brother and artist Rey Parla in www.reyparla.com (a lot of info about his brothers exhibits) and the project Elsewhere communities www.elsewherecommunities.blogspot.com/
โThe New Grand Tour is an episodic art project featuring revolving guest artists with hyphenated cultural and geographical backgrounds. The artists and documentary crew travel together to different parts of the globe and express through art exhibitions the subject matter of the towns and cultures they visit.โ
Download a beautiful video here about the experience:
WRITERS CONVENTION Eyejammie, NY
A Collaborative Study of Pigments November 3 - December 17, 2005 A photo (?) of the piece he did seems that is available through the site but I really donโt understand what they are offering. The original piece was 4000$ www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=3749309
MUSIC (great music! Latin soul funk boogie ) Josรฉ Parlรก belongs to a group called Bronx River Parkway. You can listen him talking about politics on the song โla vallaโ and about doing a big fiesta party in costa rica in โsan Sebastian 152โ (and that it is a big inspiration for his paintings). Their first full length record โSan Sebastian 152โ is going to be in the stores soon. (Rostarr artwork)
Rostarr signs the artwork of some of the records in truth&soul. Rostarr is one of the members from the grand world Tour and is in an exhibit right now in London leonardstreetgallery.co.uk/ (have you seen it? There are any prints available?)
POSTERS. Iโve found two edited posters. Perhaps the people in the uk know them or can buy them from eframes.co.uk. They appear in a lot of sites but it seems they are not available anywhere What do you think of these posters? For my they are showing the evolution from ease to Josรฉ Parlรก work. But in a bad.phooshoped way โฆ (I canโt find bigger pics anywhere so I donโt really see how they really are ) I donโt know if the artist have approved any of themโฆ If anyone knows somethingโฆ Here there are: the other: www.eframe.co.uk/content/images/prints/mediumimages/WinnDevon/PJP501.jpg
You're going to single handedly make his prices crash with all these pics, jose parla rugs, ceramic bowls, t-shirts, handbags and a jacket that looks liked it was designed for the Wanderers at a wedding! Stop right there please OK, show me the shoes, I gotta see the shoes now!!!
I am a great reader of the expertise and thoughtful comments from all of you but Iโm not that great in contributing to the forum with insightful comments as I am a newby and I donโt feel enough confortable with English . What I really know is that I like Parla (And a lot more!) and that a I am good in googleing. Let me contribute with these kind of info to the global knowledge of this great artist.
GRAND WORLD TOUR The beautiful artistic initiative where Josรฉ Parlรก seems to put a lot of his energy and where he takes a lot of inspiration for his multicultural memorywalls pieces. (One of the reasons why I feel him in the highest division in art right now, his global vision) Is documented by his brother and artist Rey Parla in www.reyparla.com (a lot of info about his brothers exhibits) and the project Elsewhere communities www.elsewherecommunities.blogspot.com/
โThe New Grand Tour is an episodic art project featuring revolving guest artists with hyphenated cultural and geographical backgrounds. The artists and documentary crew travel together to different parts of the globe and express through art exhibitions the subject matter of the towns and cultures they visit.โ
Download a beautiful video here about the experience:
WRITERS CONVENTION Eyejammie, NY
A Collaborative Study of Pigments November 3 - December 17, 2005 A photo (?) of the piece he did seems that is available through the site but I really donโt understand what they are offering. The original piece was 4000$ www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=3749309
MUSIC (great music! Latin soul funk boogie ) Josรฉ Parlรก belongs to a group called Bronx River Parkway. You can listen him talking about politics on the song โla vallaโ and about doing a big fiesta party in costa rica in โsan Sebastian 152โ (and that it is a big inspiration for his paintings). Their first full length record โSan Sebastian 152โ is going to be in the stores soon. (Rostarr artwork)
Rostarr signs the artwork of some of the records in truth&soul. Rostarr is one of the members from the grand world Tour and is in an exhibit right now in London leonardstreetgallery.co.uk/ (have you seen it? There are any prints available?)
POSTERS. Iโve found two edited posters. Perhaps the people in the uk know them or can buy them from eframes.co.uk. They appear in a lot of sites but it seems they are not available anywhere What do you think of these posters? For my they are showing the evolution from ease to Josรฉ Parlรก work. But in a bad.phooshoped way โฆ (I canโt find bigger pics anywhere so I donโt really see how they really are ) I donโt know if the artist have approved any of themโฆ If anyone knows somethingโฆ Here there are: the other: www.eframe.co.uk/content/images/prints/mediumimages/WinnDevon/PJP501.jpg
Daniel Silk โข The number or Boards and Threads continues to fall as we simplify the layout of the forum.
Daniel Silk โข I hear a lot of Artists complaining about Instagram in the past year, how it used to be a good tool for Artists, but it's not good anymore, is that true?
anyaart โข For Brett Kern fans, I noticed there is a spinosaurus for sale on E-Bay. It's a limited edition, one of only 60 made. This is the rarest of his dinosaurs. I am not the seller. I already have the same dino purchased in 2016. I've never seen one up for sale
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Boy Wonder โข I read that they were more or less nicked the same day they went up. Loads of fakes exist.
milou2 โข Would love to see any photos of Banksy's first exhibition at the Severnshed in Bristol (2000). Who was there?*
jirr โข Hi all, over here in the states. Pandemic put me out of business, need to sell this asap. Please send offers thanks so much
matgab โข Steven Harrington - Gotcha first ed for sale.
1nkling โข I can't help but think that a more reasonable tier for people who just want to support the work you guys do would raise more income. Then other tiers for those that want specialist benefits.
1nkling โข As soon as I saw the heading for the email I thought 'Oh yeah, I use that place a lot. I'd happily support it'. Not at ยฃ40 a month though. I have a paid sub for a Formula 1 site I use that is very active. They have a high uptake on subs at ยฃ12 a year.
1nkling โข Pricing on the new supporters sub seems a bit poorly thought out. ยฃ40 a month to have a pinned sale thread being the only listed benefit?
Daniel Silk โข The forum now has more than half the number of Boards than it had a year ago! As we work towards simplifying the layout.
ashj52 โข Hi everyone; does anyone know where I may be able to find a George condo prism print? Any guidance on price would also be much appreciated! I contacted AA, they said they cannot disclose whether there will be any further drops this year.
this pricing should sort out who on their lists are buying for the love of the artist or the instant resale value
