1800garrett
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LAZ Raffle, by sahoria on Sept 3, 2008 20:42:29 GMT 1, tempted...s
tempted...s
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LAZ Raffle, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 20:50:08 GMT 1, Says Replete is going to be there with drinks and strippers?
"The extravaganza will take place in a disused factory in central London and will be replete with drinks and strippers. Lazarides put 250 tickets up for sale yesterday"
Says Replete is going to be there with drinks and strippers?
"The extravaganza will take place in a disused factory in central London and will be replete with drinks and strippers. Lazarides put 250 tickets up for sale yesterday"
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LAZ Raffle, by giiiant on Sept 3, 2008 20:59:46 GMT 1, surprised banksy's involved with this to be honest
surprised banksy's involved with this to be honest
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LAZ Raffle, by bradpitt on Sept 3, 2008 21:01:57 GMT 1, Says Replete is going to be there with drinks and strippers? "The extravaganza will take place in a disused factory in central London and will be replete with drinks and strippers. Lazarides put 250 tickets up for sale yesterday"
Good one Wizbong
Says Replete is going to be there with drinks and strippers? "The extravaganza will take place in a disused factory in central London and will be replete with drinks and strippers. Lazarides put 250 tickets up for sale yesterday" Good one Wizbong
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 21:08:36 GMT 1, He really needs to think a little more about what his PR firm do with their press releases, they are making Laz seem more and more elitist. The tickets went on sale yesterday? Where? They aint on the site. ยฃ5K too! Elitist.
It reads to me as follows, you might win something worth way more than you paid if you are 1 in 10, the rest will get something worth less than they paid? So 90% of people will be stiffed on this with a minor original work (could be a signed beer mat!) worth less than ยฃ5K.
He really needs to think a little more about what his PR firm do with their press releases, they are making Laz seem more and more elitist. The tickets went on sale yesterday? Where? They aint on the site. ยฃ5K too! Elitist.
It reads to me as follows, you might win something worth way more than you paid if you are 1 in 10, the rest will get something worth less than they paid? So 90% of people will be stiffed on this with a minor original work (could be a signed beer mat!) worth less than ยฃ5K.
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LAZ Raffle, by ricosg11 on Sept 3, 2008 21:11:20 GMT 1, way to turn their art into a circus.
way to turn their art into a circus.
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senna
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LAZ Raffle, by senna on Sept 3, 2008 21:13:42 GMT 1, best of luck James!!
i know you've been working you're ass off on this
looking forward to it
best of luck James!!
i know you've been working you're ass off on this
looking forward to it
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LAZ Raffle, by pagerage on Sept 3, 2008 22:00:27 GMT 1, can someone explain how 250 people have a 1 in 10 shot of owning 1 of 2 works by banksy. the numbers dont seem to add up.
can someone explain how 250 people have a 1 in 10 shot of owning 1 of 2 works by banksy. the numbers dont seem to add up.
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LAZ Raffle, by junkieart on Sept 3, 2008 22:04:01 GMT 1, No its 1 in 10 for a collage/hand finish mc etc and 1 in 250 to bag a B!!
No its 1 in 10 for a collage/hand finish mc etc and 1 in 250 to bag a B!!
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LAZ Raffle, by bobbyt23 on Sept 3, 2008 22:04:42 GMT 1, can someone explain how 250 people have a 1 in 10 shot of owning 1 of 2 works by banksy. the numbers dont seem to add up.
There are only 2 banksy's but other stuff too.
can someone explain how 250 people have a 1 in 10 shot of owning 1 of 2 works by banksy. the numbers dont seem to add up. There are only 2 banksy's but other stuff too.
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LAZ Raffle, by sahoria on Sept 3, 2008 22:09:22 GMT 1, 1/250 chance of getting is better odds than picking up banksy print from pow... 5k goes to good deed and if someone is willing to place a bet for that much then good luck to them... 250 people gather for the event..someone walks away with something very , very special..the others walk away with limited edition hand drawn art piece... not so bad when you look at names involved... little sleazy with the strippers have to say but that is my opinion..to others beer and women and art fantastic night...
it could go very well or might not... atleast it is not phone in what is fake like some big corporations recently...lol...s
1/250 chance of getting is better odds than picking up banksy print from pow... 5k goes to good deed and if someone is willing to place a bet for that much then good luck to them... 250 people gather for the event..someone walks away with something very , very special..the others walk away with limited edition hand drawn art piece... not so bad when you look at names involved... little sleazy with the strippers have to say but that is my opinion..to others beer and women and art fantastic night...
it could go very well or might not... atleast it is not phone in what is fake like some big corporations recently...lol...s
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LAZ Raffle, by rosstierney on Sept 3, 2008 22:16:56 GMT 1, 1/250 chance of getting is better odds than picking up banksy print from pow
what? when? where? which print was an edition of 250?
1/250 chance of getting is better odds than picking up banksy print from pow what? when? where? which print was an edition of 250?
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LAZ Raffle, by bobbyt23 on Sept 3, 2008 22:22:44 GMT 1, ross i think he means the amount of people trying to get prints through pow
ross i think he means the amount of people trying to get prints through pow
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 22:23:25 GMT 1, Again the bad press release rears its head. Confusing and unclear.
I think I have now got to grips with it. It should read
'Laz are holding a party with a raffle. At the party will be wonderful works of art and strippers, plus a whole lot of drink! 250 Lucky people with ยฃ5K spare will be able to buy a ticket to the party that will be accompanied by a minor piece of work from one of the artists (I'm guessing the invite will be individually created by the artists).
Once inside a lottery will be drawn where 25 pieces of art will be given away by lottery! Meaning lucky entrants stand a 1 in 10 chance of winning a (I guess major) work from the likes of Micallef, Turnball, Banksy, Faile etc.
Hope this now makes sense, although I guess I could still be wrong.
Again the bad press release rears its head. Confusing and unclear.
I think I have now got to grips with it. It should read
'Laz are holding a party with a raffle. At the party will be wonderful works of art and strippers, plus a whole lot of drink! 250 Lucky people with ยฃ5K spare will be able to buy a ticket to the party that will be accompanied by a minor piece of work from one of the artists (I'm guessing the invite will be individually created by the artists).
Once inside a lottery will be drawn where 25 pieces of art will be given away by lottery! Meaning lucky entrants stand a 1 in 10 chance of winning a (I guess major) work from the likes of Micallef, Turnball, Banksy, Faile etc.
Hope this now makes sense, although I guess I could still be wrong.
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LAZ Raffle, by Ruggs on Sept 3, 2008 22:24:51 GMT 1, A raffle for very rich people who probably already own a unique Banksy piece anyway. I think Laz could have put more thought into this one to include everyone to have a chance. Doesn't this go against what Banksy's art is all about!
A raffle for very rich people who probably already own a unique Banksy piece anyway. I think Laz could have put more thought into this one to include everyone to have a chance. Doesn't this go against what Banksy's art is all about!
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 22:30:22 GMT 1, One of the Banksy's being given away was bought by Lazarides from the Ken Livingstone Auction. Is Laz still Banksy's dealer? Has Banksy turned his back on Laz? Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary?
One of the Banksy's being given away was bought by Lazarides from the Ken Livingstone Auction. Is Laz still Banksy's dealer? Has Banksy turned his back on Laz? Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary?
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LAZ Raffle, by rosstierney on Sept 3, 2008 22:31:00 GMT 1, ross i think he means the amount of people trying to get prints through pow
ross i think he means the amount of people trying to get prints through pow
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LAZ Raffle, by lee3 on Sept 3, 2008 22:33:41 GMT 1, >>> Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary? <<<
I can't see any buyer caring one way or the other whether or not they are the first buyer on the provenance record. If you like an image and want it hanging in your home, what does it matter if you are the first or 3rd owner as long as the conditon is good? If you do care, just ask or check an auciton run to see if the painting has been sold in the past.
>>> Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary? <<<
I can't see any buyer caring one way or the other whether or not they are the first buyer on the provenance record. If you like an image and want it hanging in your home, what does it matter if you are the first or 3rd owner as long as the conditon is good? If you do care, just ask or check an auciton run to see if the painting has been sold in the past.
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 22:40:34 GMT 1, >>> Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary? <<< I can't see any buyer caring one way or the other whether or not they are the first buyer on the provenance record. If you like an image and want it hanging in your home, what does it matter if you are the first or 3rd owner as long as the conditon is good? If you do care, just ask or check an auciton run to see if the painting has been sold in the past.
I was referring to reputation, as primary Banksy dealer, LAZ have a bigger power to promote their interests on lesser artists to people who buy art purely for investment. If they were to become the gallery Banksy walked away from, it might affect their ability to influence clientele who buy on the basis of 'its banksy's dealer he must know what he's talking about'. Anyway it's all speculation.
>>> Does it suit Laz to continue this association of selling secondary Banksy works to people who believe its primary? <<< I can't see any buyer caring one way or the other whether or not they are the first buyer on the provenance record. If you like an image and want it hanging in your home, what does it matter if you are the first or 3rd owner as long as the conditon is good? If you do care, just ask or check an auciton run to see if the painting has been sold in the past. I was referring to reputation, as primary Banksy dealer, LAZ have a bigger power to promote their interests on lesser artists to people who buy art purely for investment. If they were to become the gallery Banksy walked away from, it might affect their ability to influence clientele who buy on the basis of 'its banksy's dealer he must know what he's talking about'. Anyway it's all speculation.
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LAZ Raffle, by bradpitt on Sept 3, 2008 22:43:16 GMT 1, Does anyone actually know Banksy to say what he would or wouldn't do? Why would he not want to be associated with someone who has significantly helped his career?
Looks like a good event, publicity is good for the scene and if I was really Brad Pitt spending ยฃ5k on a ticket would be like me spending ยฃ5 at the local tombola, I don't see the problem
Does anyone actually know Banksy to say what he would or wouldn't do? Why would he not want to be associated with someone who has significantly helped his career?
Looks like a good event, publicity is good for the scene and if I was really Brad Pitt spending ยฃ5k on a ticket would be like me spending ยฃ5 at the local tombola, I don't see the problem
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 22:46:58 GMT 1, Does anyone actually know Banksy to say what he would or wouldn't do? Why would he not want to be associated with someone who has significantly helped his career? Looks like a good event, publicity is good for the scene and if I was really Brad Pitt spending ยฃ5k on a ticket would be like me spending ยฃ5 at the local tombola, I don't see the problem
No but this place lacks debates on such things, I like debates. He might think for example that LAZ has not significantly helped his career, maybe he thought a while ago that he significantly helped LAZ's career so decided enough was enough, leaving laz buying auction house pieces which later turn up at LAZ events? Or maybe not
Does anyone actually know Banksy to say what he would or wouldn't do? Why would he not want to be associated with someone who has significantly helped his career? Looks like a good event, publicity is good for the scene and if I was really Brad Pitt spending ยฃ5k on a ticket would be like me spending ยฃ5 at the local tombola, I don't see the problemNo but this place lacks debates on such things, I like debates. He might think for example that LAZ has not significantly helped his career, maybe he thought a while ago that he significantly helped LAZ's career so decided enough was enough, leaving laz buying auction house pieces which later turn up at LAZ events? Or maybe not
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LAZ Raffle, by slowmo on Sept 3, 2008 22:50:37 GMT 1, Add up the total value of the art sold, cost of hiring the venue, staffing it, promotion etc. Bet there's a profit far greater than just selling the art in a gallery (and whose to say you wont be winning something thats sat on the shelf a while). Nothing wrong with that, but they are making more money out of art than by just selling it for its face value. I organise events and take my hat off to this, its a fucking great idea to make far more than your actual assets value.
Add up the total value of the art sold, cost of hiring the venue, staffing it, promotion etc. Bet there's a profit far greater than just selling the art in a gallery (and whose to say you wont be winning something thats sat on the shelf a while). Nothing wrong with that, but they are making more money out of art than by just selling it for its face value. I organise events and take my hat off to this, its a fucking great idea to make far more than your actual assets value.
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LAZ Raffle, by bradpitt on Sept 3, 2008 23:02:00 GMT 1, Definitely a great idea and one of those you wish you came up with, someone said earlier that Micallefs Fuckface was in the raffle, for ยฃ5000 you'd be glee with happiness that you bought that ticket. The night would probably proceed with some face fucking.
Anyway, I think publicity Laz style is nothing but good for the scene and i'm off to watch the perfect va***a as like Lisa Rogers I want to understand why ladies want to cut up their lady bits.
Definitely a great idea and one of those you wish you came up with, someone said earlier that Micallefs Fuckface was in the raffle, for ยฃ5000 you'd be glee with happiness that you bought that ticket. The night would probably proceed with some face fucking.
Anyway, I think publicity Laz style is nothing but good for the scene and i'm off to watch the perfect va***a as like Lisa Rogers I want to understand why ladies want to cut up their lady bits.
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LAZ Raffle, by iAmCxxx on Sept 3, 2008 23:27:10 GMT 1, I'll be buying a ticket. Mug not too. This is the deal of the year.
I'll be buying a ticket. Mug not too. This is the deal of the year.
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LAZ Raffle, by Agent Provocateur on Sept 3, 2008 23:52:06 GMT 1, It's all about integrity for me. Imo Banksy has a very moral agenda about art and even how he sells and promotes it, both Santas Ghetto and Cans are more about other people than himself. But he understands because of his position (fame if you like) he can influence, promote and help other people get recognition and ultimately mullah to help themselves (and by the simple nature of this he gets to promote his own art... but maybe more importantly his vision and values).
By Laz 'becoming' the OFFICIAL Banksy promoter/seller whatever he does will directly associated the Banksy. Aka, by a show being put on with raffle tickets for 5 grand it's showing elitism which can only effect how people percieve Banksy (and in my opinion in the wrong way).
Mmm but I still have the skew that if you're a business you have to balance your moral judgement with being an effective business... ho hum.
It's all about integrity for me. Imo Banksy has a very moral agenda about art and even how he sells and promotes it, both Santas Ghetto and Cans are more about other people than himself. But he understands because of his position (fame if you like) he can influence, promote and help other people get recognition and ultimately mullah to help themselves (and by the simple nature of this he gets to promote his own art... but maybe more importantly his vision and values). By Laz 'becoming' the OFFICIAL Banksy promoter/seller whatever he does will directly associated the Banksy. Aka, by a show being put on with raffle tickets for 5 grand it's showing elitism which can only effect how people percieve Banksy (and in my opinion in the wrong way). Mmm but I still have the skew that if you're a business you have to balance your moral judgement with being an effective business... ho hum.
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LAZ Raffle, by Bram on Sept 4, 2008 8:22:29 GMT 1, Laz has some Banksy stock. They are holding an event to coincide with the Frieze fair. Why wouldn't they include the Banksy's. As for the secondary market stuff, wasn't Gagosian bidding at the Hirst auction, presumably to sell on the secondary!. Will / has this affected Hirst or Gagosian.
Banksy is rumored to have said that all future profits will go to charity so maybe this explains the fact that he no longer needs Laz or visa-versa. Either way neither seem to be in the gutter at the moment. One of the issues is Laz will forever be associated with Banksy regardless of any official connection or split.
And if I had ยฃ5k sloshing around under the bed I'd have ago. Truth is if these tickets were ยฃ500 they'd still be too much for me.
Laz has some Banksy stock. They are holding an event to coincide with the Frieze fair. Why wouldn't they include the Banksy's. As for the secondary market stuff, wasn't Gagosian bidding at the Hirst auction, presumably to sell on the secondary!. Will / has this affected Hirst or Gagosian.
Banksy is rumored to have said that all future profits will go to charity so maybe this explains the fact that he no longer needs Laz or visa-versa. Either way neither seem to be in the gutter at the moment. One of the issues is Laz will forever be associated with Banksy regardless of any official connection or split.
And if I had ยฃ5k sloshing around under the bed I'd have ago. Truth is if these tickets were ยฃ500 they'd still be too much for me.
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LAZ Raffle, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 8:46:36 GMT 1, the catalogue is soooooooo sweet, I cant stop drooling at the pieces in there, the chance to win any of the pieces, I am telling you, you would take a punt at ยฃ5K
the catalogue is soooooooo sweet, I cant stop drooling at the pieces in there, the chance to win any of the pieces, I am telling you, you would take a punt at ยฃ5K
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LAZ Raffle, by Richard on Sept 4, 2008 9:08:46 GMT 1, the catalogue is soooooooo sweet, I cant stop drooling at the pieces in there, the chance to win any of the pieces, I am telling you, you would take a punt at ยฃ5K
I was considering buying a ticket - but not until I have seen what is up for grabs.
Where do you get the catalogue from Alsabar?
the catalogue is soooooooo sweet, I cant stop drooling at the pieces in there, the chance to win any of the pieces, I am telling you, you would take a punt at ยฃ5K I was considering buying a ticket - but not until I have seen what is up for grabs. Where do you get the catalogue from Alsabar?
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