Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 5, 2008 17:24:44 GMT 1, I very rarely bid on ebay, but I've been keen to get my hands on a couple of pieces by an artist of whom I'v learned only recently. I put in a bid for an item and later on I was notified that I had been outbid, so forgot all about it, only to find that the overbidder retrospectively cancelled and left me as the highest bidder. That's all fine, but when I look at the bidding, it does seem to me as if the seller or someone working in cahoots with him, has been strategically bidding to get a few extra pennies out of me, as this was my exact maximum bid amount. Or at least it looks that way in light of the cancelled would be winning bid. Do you think I'm being a bit paranoid, or does this bidding look okay to you? (I know I can be a bit pedantic at times!) 
item number is: 140278313609
While it's a relatively inexpensive purchase and the difference I'll end up paying is pretty nominal, it irks me to see that this has happened. Of course if the bidding is dodgy at the top, who's to say that some of the lower bids weren't "arranged" also? Ultimately I'll probably just pay it to get the piece which I liked the look of. Any comments/thoughts on the bidding is welcome.
I very rarely bid on ebay, but I've been keen to get my hands on a couple of pieces by an artist of whom I'v learned only recently. I put in a bid for an item and later on I was notified that I had been outbid, so forgot all about it, only to find that the overbidder retrospectively cancelled and left me as the highest bidder. That's all fine, but when I look at the bidding, it does seem to me as if the seller or someone working in cahoots with him, has been strategically bidding to get a few extra pennies out of me, as this was my exact maximum bid amount. Or at least it looks that way in light of the cancelled would be winning bid. Do you think I'm being a bit paranoid, or does this bidding look okay to you? (I know I can be a bit pedantic at times!) item number is: 140278313609 While it's a relatively inexpensive purchase and the difference I'll end up paying is pretty nominal, it irks me to see that this has happened. Of course if the bidding is dodgy at the top, who's to say that some of the lower bids weren't "arranged" also? Ultimately I'll probably just pay it to get the piece which I liked the look of. Any comments/thoughts on the bidding is welcome. |
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redmen
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ebay advice please.., by redmen on Nov 5, 2008 17:38:47 GMT 1, that's a tough one because the final 3 bidders don't have any kind of history either. I am not sure to be honest, it is a pretty nice print but I would be ultimately unhappy to think that someone has skanked me no matter how much it is....
That's my answer anyway - good luck! let us know what you decide
that's a tough one because the final 3 bidders don't have any kind of history either. I am not sure to be honest, it is a pretty nice print but I would be ultimately unhappy to think that someone has skanked me no matter how much it is....
That's my answer anyway - good luck! let us know what you decide
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craigf
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ebay advice please.., by craigf on Nov 5, 2008 18:12:30 GMT 1, The bidding might be legit, but there are a lot of newbies who placed them. I guess the question is do you like the piece enough and could you get it elsewhere for the same or less. I have let pieces go due to suspect shill bidding, but am sure I have probably also bought the odd piece or two that had been quietly bumped up by a dodgy geezer or three
The bidding might be legit, but there are a lot of newbies who placed them. I guess the question is do you like the piece enough and could you get it elsewhere for the same or less. I have let pieces go due to suspect shill bidding, but am sure I have probably also bought the odd piece or two that had been quietly bumped up by a dodgy geezer or three
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Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 5, 2008 18:39:33 GMT 1, Cheers guys. Valid points. I think in this case, I was happy to pay up to this amount, if the opportunity arose and I did see it as such, as I like the look of this piece along with a few others on the bay. Although it doesn't change the principle, the fact that any different in price paid is likely to only amount to โฌ20 or so, has made up my mind to go ahead and pay the guy, but I appreciate your views. Thanks for posting. 
Cheers guys. Valid points. I think in this case, I was happy to pay up to this amount, if the opportunity arose and I did see it as such, as I like the look of this piece along with a few others on the bay. Although it doesn't change the principle, the fact that any different in price paid is likely to only amount to โฌ20 or so, has made up my mind to go ahead and pay the guy, but I appreciate your views. Thanks for posting. |
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ebay advice please.., by onemandown72 on Nov 5, 2008 19:19:27 GMT 1, The way I look at Ebay is that I have a max price I'll pay that I.m happy to pay. If it goes above this then the piece goes, if I get piece for price then all well and good. Ebay like all auctions is open to manipulation and if you start worrying about this too much you end up driving yourself mad.
The way I look at Ebay is that I have a max price I'll pay that I.m happy to pay. If it goes above this then the piece goes, if I get piece for price then all well and good. Ebay like all auctions is open to manipulation and if you start worrying about this too much you end up driving yourself mad.
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inkdigital
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Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 5, 2008 22:53:10 GMT 1, inkdigital, yes I think you're right, hence my posting here, however I think I take the same view as OMD72, I bid a price I was happy to pay and ultimately why should my happiness with the purchase change on that level? It doesn't, although it does niggle me that I should have been able to buy the piece for a little less of course. It's not only the footy that these Italians play dirty then!
I think the lesson I've taken from this is that it really does pay to bid in the last 30 seconds of an auction, sadly, as being in S.America, this isn't always convenient, as in this instance. I was sleeping when it ended, so I bid late at night, which I shall def' avoid doing in the future.
Again thanks for your thoughts guys. I appreciate it.
inkdigital, yes I think you're right, hence my posting here, however I think I take the same view as OMD72, I bid a price I was happy to pay and ultimately why should my happiness with the purchase change on that level? It doesn't, although it does niggle me that I should have been able to buy the piece for a little less of course. It's not only the footy that these Italians play dirty then! I think the lesson I've taken from this is that it really does pay to bid in the last 30 seconds of an auction, sadly, as being in S.America, this isn't always convenient, as in this instance. I was sleeping when it ended, so I bid late at night, which I shall def' avoid doing in the future. Again thanks for your thoughts guys. I appreciate it. |
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ebay advice please.., by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Nov 5, 2008 23:07:18 GMT 1, how about some advice on the piece itself?!
it's a bit weak,no? is there nothing better by rotella out there? i see it wasn't expensive, but still...
how about some advice on the piece itself?!
it's a bit weak,no? is there nothing better by rotella out there? i see it wasn't expensive, but still...
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sfdoddsy
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ebay advice please.., by sfdoddsy on Nov 6, 2008 0:15:42 GMT 1, I actually liked the piece and was considering bidding on it myself.
It's different from most of the Rotella multiples, which is a good thing IMHO.
I actually liked the piece and was considering bidding on it myself.
It's different from most of the Rotella multiples, which is a good thing IMHO.
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Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 6, 2008 3:10:54 GMT 1, how about some advice on the piece itself?! it's a bit weak,no? is there nothing better by rotella out there? i see it wasn't expensive, but still...
Of course, I respect your opinion, but I disagree (obviously or I wouldn't have been bidding).
I see your point, in that it's a smaller size and Chaplin is a different type of entity to the likes of his more common subjects, but I liked the look of how the decollage medium has been used in this piece. One of my initial priorities regarding getting to know Rotella's work more intimately, is getting a much better feel for his use of this medium and this piece, along with a few others stood out as interesting to me. To be fair, there are some much more expensive pieces I'd prefer, but this seller had all the right details and responses, as well as a little positive feedback, which some others lack. Plus the BIN prices on most other pieces seem slightly on the high side, as one would expect. I feel I got decent value on a nice little piece here.
As for what's "better" I suppose that any print/multiple is always a pretender to the throne of an original, but some things are within reach and others aren't! I probably wouldn't be picking up a Rotella OG for the money they cost if I were splashing it anyway!
I'm just dabbling, learning and developing my tastes at this stage, so I'm very pleased to be picking up my first piece of his and perhaps some further pieces will follow sooner or later.
how about some advice on the piece itself?! it's a bit weak,no? is there nothing better by rotella out there? i see it wasn't expensive, but still... Of course, I respect your opinion, but I disagree (obviously or I wouldn't have been bidding). I see your point, in that it's a smaller size and Chaplin is a different type of entity to the likes of his more common subjects, but I liked the look of how the decollage medium has been used in this piece. One of my initial priorities regarding getting to know Rotella's work more intimately, is getting a much better feel for his use of this medium and this piece, along with a few others stood out as interesting to me. To be fair, there are some much more expensive pieces I'd prefer, but this seller had all the right details and responses, as well as a little positive feedback, which some others lack. Plus the BIN prices on most other pieces seem slightly on the high side, as one would expect. I feel I got decent value on a nice little piece here. As for what's "better" I suppose that any print/multiple is always a pretender to the throne of an original, but some things are within reach and others aren't! I probably wouldn't be picking up a Rotella OG for the money they cost if I were splashing it anyway! I'm just dabbling, learning and developing my tastes at this stage, so I'm very pleased to be picking up my first piece of his and perhaps some further pieces will follow sooner or later. |
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sfdoddsy
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ebay advice please.., by sfdoddsy on Nov 6, 2008 4:06:31 GMT 1, I actually think a hand torn Rotella print is much closer to his originals than prints would eb with any other style of artist.
His orginals are hand torn posters, and so are his prints.
I actually think a hand torn Rotella print is much closer to his originals than prints would eb with any other style of artist.
His orginals are hand torn posters, and so are his prints.
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Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 6, 2008 4:44:01 GMT 1, Agreed, seems like they are fundamentally editioned originals in all respects, as no 2 are identical and each is hand torn by the artist. I'm pleased that Neverwork mentioned him in the forum a while back just around the time I was spellbound by Vhils' Graffle decollage. Only problem is I need to find some funds and some wallspace, as one is never enough! ;D
Agreed, seems like they are fundamentally editioned originals in all respects, as no 2 are identical and each is hand torn by the artist. I'm pleased that Neverwork mentioned him in the forum a while back just around the time I was spellbound by Vhils' Graffle decollage. Only problem is I need to find some funds and some wallspace, as one is never enough! ;D
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kiy
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ebay advice please.., by kiy on Nov 6, 2008 12:08:24 GMT 1, It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid.
It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost....
It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid.
It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost....
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Heavyconsumer
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ebay advice please.., by Heavyconsumer on Nov 6, 2008 12:51:08 GMT 1, It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid. It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost....
Yup, agreed! Of course it was the cancelled overbid that made me look at the bidding closely and it became pretty clear what was going on.
I've spoken to Ebay this morning about this and was very impressed with how they handled the call, agreeing to only act if I chose, after they'd explained the likely course of action to be taken - I recommend their phone help line for instances such as these. I still chose to take no action and complete the purchase on this occasion. Principle taking a back seat to getting what I wanted at a price I'm "happy" to pay! However even as an infrequent bidder, I must admit that your suggestion (as made to me by others also) of using a sniper program, is definitely something I now consider a necessity for ALL future Ebay bidding!
It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid. It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost.... Yup, agreed! Of course it was the cancelled overbid that made me look at the bidding closely and it became pretty clear what was going on. I've spoken to Ebay this morning about this and was very impressed with how they handled the call, agreeing to only act if I chose, after they'd explained the likely course of action to be taken - I recommend their phone help line for instances such as these. I still chose to take no action and complete the purchase on this occasion. Principle taking a back seat to getting what I wanted at a price I'm "happy" to pay! However even as an infrequent bidder, I must admit that your suggestion (as made to me by others also) of using a sniper program, is definitely something I now consider a necessity for ALL future Ebay bidding! |
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redmen
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ebay advice please.., by redmen on Nov 6, 2008 14:27:24 GMT 1, It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid. It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost....
I didn't know about the auctionstealer website, I am definately going to use that too from now on.
It really annoys me that people would do that though - so pikey.
It is 99.9% a shill bid. The person who backed out at 10:12:34 placed another bid exactly the same as yours at 10:13:37. They already knew what you maximum bid was so matched it exactly making you the highest bidder. If the later bid was not put in you could not be sure but as it was put in it is 99.9% a shill bid. It is quite common on ebay that shill bids are placed, nothing new. If you sign up to auctionstealer.co.uk it will bid for you in the last 3 seconds...no need to sit around waiting to place your bid, if the item sells for more then what you wanted to pay then nothing lost.... I didn't know about the auctionstealer website, I am definately going to use that too from now on. It really annoys me that people would do that though - so pikey. |
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sfdoddsy
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ebay advice please.., by sfdoddsy on Nov 7, 2008 12:49:35 GMT 1, Agreed, seems like they are fundamentally editioned originals in all respects, as no 2 are identical and each is hand torn by the artist. I'm pleased that Neverwork mentioned him in the forum a while back just around the time I was spellbound by Vhils' Graffle decollage. Only problem is I need to find some funds and some wallspace, as one is never enough! ;D
Agree 100%. My reaction to my new Rotella 'print' is explored here:
banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=26231&page=1#408542
Agreed, seems like they are fundamentally editioned originals in all respects, as no 2 are identical and each is hand torn by the artist. I'm pleased that Neverwork mentioned him in the forum a while back just around the time I was spellbound by Vhils' Graffle decollage. Only problem is I need to find some funds and some wallspace, as one is never enough! ;D Agree 100%. My reaction to my new Rotella 'print' is explored here: banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=26231&page=1#408542 |
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