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Micallef, by manty on Mar 7, 2008 17:19:34 GMT 1, Does anyone know if he has any plans to do any shows or such like in the future
I know he has a pic or two going to the exibition in Australia.
It was discussed last year he has some of his stuff going on with the british museum tour. Is this still happening?
Anything else?
Ta
Does anyone know if he has any plans to do any shows or such like in the future
I know he has a pic or two going to the exibition in Australia.
It was discussed last year he has some of his stuff going on with the british museum tour. Is this still happening?
Anything else?
Ta
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Micallef, by wildbill on Mar 7, 2008 22:09:34 GMT 1, been wondering about this also.
was the tour supposedly with MOMA?
been wondering about this also.
was the tour supposedly with MOMA?
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Micallef, by manty on Mar 7, 2008 22:10:27 GMT 1, From the huge response I guess he is taking some time out then :-)
From the huge response I guess he is taking some time out then :-)
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Micallef, by manchestermike on Mar 7, 2008 22:11:05 GMT 1, Nope mate... tour is still on
British Museum
Nope mate... tour is still on
British Museum
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Micallef, by a4mnt on Mar 7, 2008 23:17:32 GMT 1, British Museum tour starts in September I think.
His stock will rise again. The quality of his art will show that.
Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre.
But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money.
British Museum tour starts in September I think.
His stock will rise again. The quality of his art will show that.
Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre.
But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money.
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Micallef, by uksnowman on Mar 8, 2008 0:31:36 GMT 1,
Litte bird - Interesting, any more detail on the asemus exhibition?
I guess its a collection from Asia, in which case are there more works from Micallef influenced from Asia like his earlier Japan prints?
Litte bird - Interesting, any more detail on the asemus exhibition? I guess its a collection from Asia, in which case are there more works from Micallef influenced from Asia like his earlier Japan prints? |
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Micallef, by noodles1 on Mar 8, 2008 2:09:25 GMT 1, But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money.
Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack?
But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money. Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack? |
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Micallef, by stuey09 on Mar 8, 2008 2:21:51 GMT 1, But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money. Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack?
I took it that Cracka was refering to the element who buy not for the aesthetics or context of the work, but instead buy for the investement potential and vogue. Not snobby in that case, but an opinion based on empirical knowledge (experience). I think he has a valid point if I read him correctly.
But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money. Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack? I took it that Cracka was refering to the element who buy not for the aesthetics or context of the work, but instead buy for the investement potential and vogue. Not snobby in that case, but an opinion based on empirical knowledge (experience). I think he has a valid point if I read him correctly. |
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Micallef, by noodles1 on Mar 8, 2008 2:27:55 GMT 1, Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack? I took it that Cracka was refering to the element who buy not for the aesthetics or context of the work, but instead buy for the investement potential and vogue. Not snobby in that case, but an opinion based on empirical knowledge (experience). I think he has a valid point if I read him correctly.
If thats the case then I stand corrected and accept my apologies cracka! 
Bit of a snobby and very narrow minded comment to make for someone who seems to apparently appreciate art on all levels. Collector of Art or jus a fan of particular artists crack? I took it that Cracka was refering to the element who buy not for the aesthetics or context of the work, but instead buy for the investement potential and vogue. Not snobby in that case, but an opinion based on empirical knowledge (experience). I think he has a valid point if I read him correctly. If thats the case then I stand corrected and accept my apologies cracka! |
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Micallef, by stuey09 on Mar 8, 2008 2:31:08 GMT 1, Noodles. you're a gent
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Micallef, by aginghippie on Mar 8, 2008 5:16:52 GMT 1, British Museum tour starts in September I think. His stock will rise again. The quality of his art will show that. Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre. But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money.
I want to see another couple of auctions where Nick Walker makes the same money before I believe that's real. At the moment there are a lot of people exploiting that market.
My problem with Micallef is that I don't know where he is going. He seems to have a lot of different styles and while evolution is good this is out of control. I will wait a couple of shows to see what he settles on. That said I keep on meaning to buy a JD anyway.
British Museum tour starts in September I think. His stock will rise again. The quality of his art will show that. Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre. But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money. I want to see another couple of auctions where Nick Walker makes the same money before I believe that's real. At the moment there are a lot of people exploiting that market. My problem with Micallef is that I don't know where he is going. He seems to have a lot of different styles and while evolution is good this is out of control. I will wait a couple of shows to see what he settles on. That said I keep on meaning to buy a JD anyway. |
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Micallef, by craigf on Mar 8, 2008 10:32:02 GMT 1, I have a couple of Micallef's on the wall either bought first hand or below cost after the slump. I would really like to add some of the eyestorm editions to them before prices start moving up again (which I think they will)
I have a couple of Micallef's on the wall either bought first hand or below cost after the slump. I would really like to add some of the eyestorm editions to them before prices start moving up again (which I think they will)
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Micallef, by Gentle Mental on Mar 8, 2008 10:51:37 GMT 1, think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there....
think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there....
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Micallef, by errrr on Mar 8, 2008 11:13:59 GMT 1, Yeah - think you could be right. Micallef is one of the UK artists that, together with Banksy, in my opinion has real staying power and his work has something that seems to be missing in some of the artists on the scene if you ask me and that's SOUL. He's got true skills and in my opinion could draw pretty much anyone under the table (metaphorically speaking) particularly if you're talking charcoal pieces...It'll be really interesting to see what he comes up with next.
Yeah - think you could be right. Micallef is one of the UK artists that, together with Banksy, in my opinion has real staying power and his work has something that seems to be missing in some of the artists on the scene if you ask me and that's SOUL. He's got true skills and in my opinion could draw pretty much anyone under the table (metaphorically speaking) particularly if you're talking charcoal pieces...It'll be really interesting to see what he comes up with next.
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Micallef, by Daniel Silk on Mar 8, 2008 11:21:31 GMT 1, think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there....
Yeah, the street/graffiti art style is getting more popular, and the more contemporary style of Micallef is dropping off a bit.
think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there.... Yeah, the street/graffiti art style is getting more popular, and the more contemporary style of Micallef is dropping off a bit. |
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Micallef, by afroken on Mar 8, 2008 11:23:28 GMT 1, Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree.
Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree.
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Micallef, by Francis on Mar 8, 2008 11:26:56 GMT 1, Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree.
You can't compare them. Micallef is not a hip hop artist like Walker and D*Face.
Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree. You can't compare them. Micallef is not a hip hop artist like Walker and D*Face. |
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Micallef, by afroken on Mar 8, 2008 11:30:31 GMT 1, Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree. You can't compare them. Micallef is not a hip hop artist like Walker and D*Face.
Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible.
Isn't the point that Dface and Walker are going the same way as Micallef due to a short-term speculative bubble? These price increases are unsustainable and at some point before the year is out there will be a readjustment which, given how fickle this market is and how dominated it is by investors rather than real collectors, could leave them out in the wilderness for some time, much like Micallef is at the moment. He'll come bouncing back but I'm not sure Walker has the staying power to stage a come back in that kind of situation. I'm indifferent to Dface. That's just my opinion of course - other will no doubt disagree. You can't compare them. Micallef is not a hip hop artist like Walker and D*Face. Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible. |
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Micallef, by errrr on Mar 8, 2008 11:31:59 GMT 1, I'd agree with francis on this one. Though as we all know the art market is a weird and unpredictable but incredibly exciting place! Time will tell and for me at least, I started with an interest in the more accessible stuff like the traditional graff artists, walkers and dface and then over time taste changed and moved more towards the mics etc......
I'd agree with francis on this one. Though as we all know the art market is a weird and unpredictable but incredibly exciting place! Time will tell and for me at least, I started with an interest in the more accessible stuff like the traditional graff artists, walkers and dface and then over time taste changed and moved more towards the mics etc......
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Micallef, by Francis on Mar 8, 2008 11:34:10 GMT 1, Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible.
Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world.
Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible. Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world. |
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Micallef, by afroken on Mar 8, 2008 11:35:50 GMT 1, I'd agree with francis on this one. Though as we all know the art market is a weird and unpredictable but incredibly exciting place! Time will tell and for me at least, I started with an interest in the more accessible stuff like the traditional graff artists, walkers and dface and then over time taste changed and moved more towards the mics etc......
So you think they've got more staying power at the grass roots? Maybe. That makes sense. And to be honest, who knows whats going on with Micallef amongst big time collectors who couldn't care less about traditional graff artists.
I'd agree with francis on this one. Though as we all know the art market is a weird and unpredictable but incredibly exciting place! Time will tell and for me at least, I started with an interest in the more accessible stuff like the traditional graff artists, walkers and dface and then over time taste changed and moved more towards the mics etc...... So you think they've got more staying power at the grass roots? Maybe. That makes sense. And to be honest, who knows whats going on with Micallef amongst big time collectors who couldn't care less about traditional graff artists. |
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Micallef, by errrr on Mar 8, 2008 11:40:31 GMT 1, Yeah I think that is what i'm trying to say. Well put!
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Micallef, by afroken on Mar 8, 2008 11:42:25 GMT 1, Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible. Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world.
Ok I have a theory. I think the mainstream are buying iconic images, not artists. In the long run these artists will be remembered but under one banner and only for certain images, and rarely by name for their life's work. Banksy is an exception of course.
Does that matter? I'm talking about boom and bust with these artist's prices. More investors than collectors means a house of cards that has to collapse. if anything your point makes Walker and DFace more niche than Micallef and therefore more susceptible. Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world. Ok I have a theory. I think the mainstream are buying iconic images, not artists. In the long run these artists will be remembered but under one banner and only for certain images, and rarely by name for their life's work. Banksy is an exception of course. |
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Micallef, by Daniel Silk on Mar 8, 2008 12:47:30 GMT 1, Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world. Ok I have a theory. I think the mainstream are buying iconic images, not artists. In the long run these artists will be remembered but under one banner and only for certain images, and rarely by name for their life's work. Banksy is an exception of course.
Very good point! As you say, only a few images from each big name ever get remembered.
Yes, it does matter, because that makes them in a totally different market segment than Micallef. A market segment that right now is getting more and more attention with the mainstream art world. Ok I have a theory. I think the mainstream are buying iconic images, not artists. In the long run these artists will be remembered but under one banner and only for certain images, and rarely by name for their life's work. Banksy is an exception of course. Very good point! As you say, only a few images from each big name ever get remembered. |
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Micallef, by Rude Copper on Mar 8, 2008 20:38:37 GMT 1, peoples interest in micallef stemmed from lazarides adopting him at lazinc.
prior to that, he was with eyestorm, & his work sat on the shelf for ages, the banksy tsunami was just beginning to gather pace, & it was widely percieved that micallef would follow the same path, it provoked a frenzy for his prints.
his 1st laz show was one of the best i've ever seen, the work was stunning, original of judgement day, original of bomber girl, fantastic, all this added fuel to the fire, mic was a sure thing,
until LA,
& then it became apparent that his work was a bit narrow to be produced in such large quantity, & the sudden glut of product forced on everyone dampened the demand.
micallef is a tremendously talented artist, who should go back to smaller, intimate shows, with smaller print editions, to try to cultivate the fanbase that have lost interest in him.
he'll be back,
as for d face & nick walker, i think zeitgeist is the best word for it,i think the people buying & pushing the price up dont really have an appreciation of the scene as such, they just want a piece to be trendy.
sad, but probably true.
no doubt that both are good artist's & big contributors to the street art movement, but longevity?,
nah, i doubt it.
peoples interest in micallef stemmed from lazarides adopting him at lazinc.
prior to that, he was with eyestorm, & his work sat on the shelf for ages, the banksy tsunami was just beginning to gather pace, & it was widely percieved that micallef would follow the same path, it provoked a frenzy for his prints.
his 1st laz show was one of the best i've ever seen, the work was stunning, original of judgement day, original of bomber girl, fantastic, all this added fuel to the fire, mic was a sure thing,
until LA,
& then it became apparent that his work was a bit narrow to be produced in such large quantity, & the sudden glut of product forced on everyone dampened the demand.
micallef is a tremendously talented artist, who should go back to smaller, intimate shows, with smaller print editions, to try to cultivate the fanbase that have lost interest in him.
he'll be back,
as for d face & nick walker, i think zeitgeist is the best word for it,i think the people buying & pushing the price up dont really have an appreciation of the scene as such, they just want a piece to be trendy.
sad, but probably true.
no doubt that both are good artist's & big contributors to the street art movement, but longevity?,
nah, i doubt it.
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Micallef, by ABC on Mar 8, 2008 22:04:36 GMT 1, think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there.... Yeah, the street/graffiti art style is getting more popular, and the more contemporary style of Micallef is dropping off a bit.
Not at all IMO.
The reason why these prints are coming down in value has something to do with the amount of prints that were released for the LA show. They burnt a lot of flippers (Ha Ha) in the process, with the remaining people holding prints who are still trying their utmost to offload at cost (but that's not happening is it)
It has nothing to do with style IMO, Micallef, Banksy will always be rising stars, although I don't think Laz went about marketing Micallef the right way in LA, after all he is a different kettle of fish to Banksy.
think what's driving the prices up are the posh money people's sudden interest on "street" art and overpaying them without knowing the going rate... and micallef's not exactly "street" so the demand is not there.... Yeah, the street/graffiti art style is getting more popular, and the more contemporary style of Micallef is dropping off a bit. Not at all IMO. The reason why these prints are coming down in value has something to do with the amount of prints that were released for the LA show. They burnt a lot of flippers (Ha Ha) in the process, with the remaining people holding prints who are still trying their utmost to offload at cost (but that's not happening is it) It has nothing to do with style IMO, Micallef, Banksy will always be rising stars, although I don't think Laz went about marketing Micallef the right way in LA, after all he is a different kettle of fish to Banksy. |
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Micallef, by Gentle Mental on Mar 9, 2008 15:11:27 GMT 1, i like the new stuff.... how can you not like the new stuff... they are super gorgeous... i really don't get it when people say the L.A. show's a flop... those were the best micallef has ever done yet
i like the new stuff.... how can you not like the new stuff... they are super gorgeous... i really don't get it when people say the L.A. show's a flop... those were the best micallef has ever done yet
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Micallef, by Avian Security on Mar 9, 2008 15:42:13 GMT 1, Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre. But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money.
Of the four artists you mentioned, whose work do you own?
(rhetorical question)
Its beyond me that Choe and Micallef are largely being ignored (by the print buying public), seeing as the standard of their art outstrips many others in the genre. But what does that say about the people buying at the moment when Dface and Walker are fetching more money. Of the four artists you mentioned, whose work do you own? (rhetorical question) |
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Micallef, by dburn on Mar 9, 2008 21:09:13 GMT 1, hung these yesterday...
hung these yesterday... |
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Micallef, by cashman on Mar 9, 2008 21:19:09 GMT 1, there well hung!!
somebody had to say it !! ;D
there well hung!!
somebody had to say it !! ;D
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