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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 13:52:18 GMT 1
D*FACE, by spirit on Apr 14, 2008 13:52:18 GMT 1, anyone can learn to use photoshop etc well, not everyone can learn to paint or draw to a high standard..
Painting and drawing is a skill and therefore it's more craft than art. Art is of the mind...
anyone can learn to use photoshop etc well, not everyone can learn to paint or draw to a high standard.. Painting and drawing is a skill and therefore it's more craft than art. Art is of the mind... |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 13:52:48 GMT 1
D*FACE, by robinbanks on Apr 14, 2008 13:52:48 GMT 1, You can't use the fact that he uses a computer to create his work as reason to dispute his claim to be an artist.
I don't think anyone could deny Chiho Aoshima her place in the contemporary art world - and her work is computer generated.
Like all art, when you strip away the hype and the bs, it comes down to the strength of the image and the message behind it. That is where I find D*Face work to be lacking - it\s just a bit bland, boring and samey for my liking.
So is D* an artist? Yes he is - albeit a pretty uninspiring, unoriginal one.
You can't use the fact that he uses a computer to create his work as reason to dispute his claim to be an artist.
I don't think anyone could deny Chiho Aoshima her place in the contemporary art world - and her work is computer generated.
Like all art, when you strip away the hype and the bs, it comes down to the strength of the image and the message behind it. That is where I find D*Face work to be lacking - it\s just a bit bland, boring and samey for my liking.
So is D* an artist? Yes he is - albeit a pretty uninspiring, unoriginal one.
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 13:56:03 GMT 1
D*FACE, by blackbeltjones on Apr 14, 2008 13:56:03 GMT 1, completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop
completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop
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Apr 14, 2008 13:58:35 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 13:58:35 GMT 1, completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop
thats my point, its seems that anyone with a mac and half a brain can call themselves an artist these days and as such the quality of the work has deteriorated - while prices continue to rise....
completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop thats my point, its seems that anyone with a mac and half a brain can call themselves an artist these days and as such the quality of the work has deteriorated - while prices continue to rise.... |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 13:59:54 GMT 1
D*FACE, by blackbeltjones on Apr 14, 2008 13:59:54 GMT 1, spot on.
spot on.
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Apr 14, 2008 14:03:00 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:03:00 GMT 1, completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop
it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ...
Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves....
completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ... Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves.... |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:09:32 GMT 1
D*FACE, by blackbeltjones on Apr 14, 2008 14:09:32 GMT 1, ..... and then print of a run of 20 on the epsom, pass them off as litho's and sell them for a fortune!.. job done.
..... and then print of a run of 20 on the epsom, pass them off as litho's and sell them for a fortune!.. job done.
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Apr 14, 2008 14:10:24 GMT 1
D*FACE, by pezlow on Apr 14, 2008 14:10:24 GMT 1, Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves....
Somehow I doubt that very much. All three were innovators in their day and would, I am certain, have embraced what technology has to offer...
Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves.... Somehow I doubt that very much. All three were innovators in their day and would, I am certain, have embraced what technology has to offer... |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:10:29 GMT 1
D*FACE, by robinbanks on Apr 14, 2008 14:10:29 GMT 1, completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ... Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves....
But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you!
Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously.
You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says to his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point.
completely agree, although i would the availiability of graphic softwear such as Photoshop/illustrator does make it a hell of a lot easier.. i also think people who aspire to be an 'artist' discover the joys of photoshop and the endless selection of filters that it has and bang out a lot of mediocher work. i'll open myself to critism but as a graphic designer i do think a lot of the 'art' avaliable is very poor because of how easy it is to learn photoshop it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ... Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves.... But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you! Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously. You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says to his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point. |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:11:58 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:11:58 GMT 1, it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ... Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves.... But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you! Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously. You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says tho his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point.
How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop!
Less messy and half the time.
it depends how you define artist i suppose. i cant draw, i cant paint, but i can go onto google get an image, stick it in photoshop, mess about a bit and hey presto i have created a piece of art ... Monet, Pollock, Warhol etc...theyd be turning in their graves.... But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you! Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously. You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says tho his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point. How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop! Less messy and half the time. |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:11:59 GMT 1
D*FACE, by Guest on Apr 14, 2008 14:11:59 GMT 1, the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not.
the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not.
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Apr 14, 2008 14:12:14 GMT 1
D*FACE, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 14, 2008 14:12:14 GMT 1, Recently saw a massive painting of a Pop Tart - the guy can fuckin paint - no question.
It was fuckin amazing!
All new stuff coming later this year for the doubters.
Recently saw a massive painting of a Pop Tart - the guy can fuckin paint - no question.
It was fuckin amazing!
All new stuff coming later this year for the doubters.
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Apr 14, 2008 14:13:58 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:13:58 GMT 1, the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not.
some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers..
the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not. some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers.. |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:16:11 GMT 1
D*FACE, by Copyright on Apr 14, 2008 14:16:11 GMT 1, But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you! Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously. You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says tho his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point. How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop! Less messy and half the time.
endless fun
www.jacksonpollock.org/
But the thread that you started is about DFace - not you! Artists have to work to be considered so. Many of them work tirelessly for years with hardly any recognition and for very little money before they are taken seriously. You're beginning to sound like the bloke who looks at the Pollock and says tho his mate, "I could have done that". Yes you probably could, but that isn't the f**king point. How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop! Less messy and half the time. endless fun www.jacksonpollock.org/ |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:21:12 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:21:12 GMT 1, How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop! Less messy and half the time. endless fun www.jacksonpollock.org/
that is amazing, goodbye rest of afternoon...
How did you know that? I did say that and I went home and did it photoshop! Less messy and half the time. endless fun www.jacksonpollock.org/that is amazing, goodbye rest of afternoon... |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:22:20 GMT 1
D*FACE, by Guest on Apr 14, 2008 14:22:20 GMT 1, the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not. some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers..
yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin.
but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art.
the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not. some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers.. yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin. but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art. |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:23:22 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:23:22 GMT 1, some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers.. yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin. but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art.
and thats my point about Dface...
some would disagree with that mate. most dance music is made on computers.. yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin. but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art. and thats my point about Dface... |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:23:36 GMT 1
D*FACE, by spirit on Apr 14, 2008 14:23:36 GMT 1, As a graphic designer I would have to say that Photoshop is just a tool in the same way as a pencil or brush is a tool. Anyone can use use photoshop (to some extent) but that does not make them an artist. Anyone can use a pencil (to some extent) but that does not make them an artist either. But great art can be created using either/both. It all depends on the level of creative thought that you bring to it. Very few people use either Photoshop or pencils very well.
Kingdomecome said that he could get an image from google, mess around with it in photoshop and hey presto he's created art. I don't see the difference compared to pre photoshop days - rip some images out of magazines, glue them together in a collage and hey presto you've created art - without any technology at all.
As a graphic designer I would have to say that Photoshop is just a tool in the same way as a pencil or brush is a tool. Anyone can use use photoshop (to some extent) but that does not make them an artist. Anyone can use a pencil (to some extent) but that does not make them an artist either. But great art can be created using either/both. It all depends on the level of creative thought that you bring to it. Very few people use either Photoshop or pencils very well.
Kingdomecome said that he could get an image from google, mess around with it in photoshop and hey presto he's created art. I don't see the difference compared to pre photoshop days - rip some images out of magazines, glue them together in a collage and hey presto you've created art - without any technology at all.
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Apr 14, 2008 14:24:38 GMT 1
D*FACE, by BunnyBoiler on Apr 14, 2008 14:24:38 GMT 1,
Love it!
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Apr 14, 2008 14:26:12 GMT 1
D*FACE, by form01 on Apr 14, 2008 14:26:12 GMT 1, Do you class your self as a fellow graphic design in the same league as Dface doing the same kind of work ............. blackbeltjones  ?
Do you class your self as a fellow graphic design in the same league as Dface doing the same kind of work ............. blackbeltjones ? |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:29:58 GMT 1
D*FACE, by Guest on Apr 14, 2008 14:29:58 GMT 1, yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin. but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art. and thats my point about Dface...
what is your point, you have lost me. computers are a medium, how you choose to use them is where creativity comes in. my analogy to music was to differentiate between good and bad use of computers. not to say that anyone that uses them is not an artist.
yeah, a lot of good music is made on computers, eg Kraftwerk, KLF, Aphex Twin. but just because you can make music on a computer does NOT make you a musician. same with art. and thats my point about Dface... what is your point, you have lost me. computers are a medium, how you choose to use them is where creativity comes in. my analogy to music was to differentiate between good and bad use of computers. not to say that anyone that uses them is not an artist. |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:35:24 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:35:24 GMT 1, youve lost me Mr Hill.
You said that because you can make music on computers doesnt make you a musician, the same applies to art. just because you know how to use a computer, doesnt make you an artist.
youve lost me Mr Hill.
You said that because you can make music on computers doesnt make you a musician, the same applies to art. just because you know how to use a computer, doesnt make you an artist.
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:36:46 GMT 1
D*FACE, by blackbeltjones on Apr 14, 2008 14:36:46 GMT 1, regardless of it is art or music, the computer has made it easy for anyone to give it a go which is why there is sooooooooo much sh!t work out there!
regardless of it is art or music, the computer has made it easy for anyone to give it a go which is why there is sooooooooo much sh!t work out there!
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:42:15 GMT 1
D*FACE, by form01 on Apr 14, 2008 14:42:15 GMT 1, I blame the Etch A Sketch
I blame the Etch A Sketch
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 14:47:29 GMT 1
D*FACE, by blackbeltjones on Apr 14, 2008 14:47:29 GMT 1, www.etchy.org/
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Apr 14, 2008 14:54:29 GMT 1
D*FACE, by richy00 on Apr 14, 2008 14:54:29 GMT 1,
you have ruined what was going to be a productive afternoon...
anyone know the actionscript for that? would like to add it to my uni project and pass it off as my own in the true spirit of this thread
you have ruined what was going to be a productive afternoon... anyone know the actionscript for that? would like to add it to my uni project and pass it off as my own in the true spirit of this thread |
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Apr 14, 2008 14:57:11 GMT 1
D*FACE, by kingdomcome on Apr 14, 2008 14:57:11 GMT 1,
thanks, theres goes the afternoon
thanks, theres goes the afternoon |
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 16:05:37 GMT 1
D*FACE, by sahoria on Apr 14, 2008 16:05:37 GMT 1, When D*FACE does his show in oct alot of people will be surprised... very much looking forward to it and i know alot of others are too!...s
When D*FACE does his show in oct alot of people will be surprised... very much looking forward to it and i know alot of others are too!...s
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Apr 14, 2008 16:19:53 GMT 1
D*FACE, by froz on Apr 14, 2008 16:19:53 GMT 1, Im curious as to why this is such a debate...doesnt banksy use photomontages to reproduce his work? The images he has he must have got somewhere and they do look like they are photos with a threshold adjustment then paints in a color himself (could it be with the photoshop brush?)
Im not dissing banksy, as I think he is brilliant with his pieces, but you can look at his work as well and say it is graphic design. If you have the images, you can reproduce his work in photoshop or even illustrator for that matter. Take happy chopper...that one looks like it was done using illustrator, and applause...those are most likely actual images that have had treatment to them some way(atleast thats what i thought when i first looked at it).
I find graphic designers are artists as well. I dont agree that everyone with a mac/pc with creative suite is one though.
Im curious as to why this is such a debate...doesnt banksy use photomontages to reproduce his work? The images he has he must have got somewhere and they do look like they are photos with a threshold adjustment then paints in a color himself (could it be with the photoshop brush?)
Im not dissing banksy, as I think he is brilliant with his pieces, but you can look at his work as well and say it is graphic design. If you have the images, you can reproduce his work in photoshop or even illustrator for that matter. Take happy chopper...that one looks like it was done using illustrator, and applause...those are most likely actual images that have had treatment to them some way(atleast thats what i thought when i first looked at it).
I find graphic designers are artists as well. I dont agree that everyone with a mac/pc with creative suite is one though.
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D*FACE
Apr 14, 2008 16:26:39 GMT 1
D*FACE, by slowmo on Apr 14, 2008 16:26:39 GMT 1, the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not.
Do it with records on turntables, Rap over it and you invented hip hop? Is hip hop not music?
the same can be said of music, get yourself garage band, pick a drum loop, bass line and a melody from the thousands of presets available and you have something that resembles music. does this make you a musician? I think not. Do it with records on turntables, Rap over it and you invented hip hop? Is hip hop not music? |
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