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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 2:14:21 GMT 1, ooops sorry about that Tops :-) I deleted my post, because i am a miserable f**ker, but trying not to let anyone find out
i know it's hard to hold back isn't it ? 
ooops sorry about that Tops :-) I deleted my post, because i am a miserable f**ker, but trying not to let anyone find out i know it's hard to hold back isn't it ? |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 2:15:25 GMT 1, Hahaha i was expecting that!.
what ;D
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by junkieart on Mar 15, 2009 3:04:22 GMT 1, Crickey this has caused quite a stir, well I've had no offers the hand will stay firmly on my wall. Very interesting read though. at the end of the day its only a piece of paper!
Peace JA
Crickey this has caused quite a stir, well I've had no offers the hand will stay firmly on my wall. Very interesting read though. at the end of the day its only a piece of paper!
Peace JA
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by mose on Mar 15, 2009 6:25:32 GMT 1, 100% agree with that statement. The issue i have with Parla, isnt his art, but the frivolous attempts to justify his prices. At the end of the day, Sothebys has proven that Parla isnt that big a deal outside of this forum. I don't see where any sort of logic would end up with that conclusion based on one Sotheby's auction. Rather silly in my opinion, and really gives this forum way more credit than its earned. What I find very interesting in all of this is that, as someone mentioned, you have a very vocal group of Parla fans and an equal-in-size, just-as-vocal group of Parla detractors on this particular forum. Much love and much hate. To me, that is a good mix. It's the type of mix that produces memorable artists. It's also interesting to see, and correct if I am wrong, but that most of the really passionate love comes from the US and most of the vocal hate comes from the UK(with some exceptions). This reminds me of a discussion I had with some friends over the concept that there is not one 'urban art scene', but two distinct scenes with some crossover and a smidge of animosity toward each other. All-in-all, very interesting to see and will be even more interesting to look back at in 5 years' time.
100% agree with that statement. The issue i have with Parla, isnt his art, but the frivolous attempts to justify his prices. At the end of the day, Sothebys has proven that Parla isnt that big a deal outside of this forum. I don't see where any sort of logic would end up with that conclusion based on one Sotheby's auction. Rather silly in my opinion, and really gives this forum way more credit than its earned. What I find very interesting in all of this is that, as someone mentioned, you have a very vocal group of Parla fans and an equal-in-size, just-as-vocal group of Parla detractors on this particular forum. Much love and much hate. To me, that is a good mix. It's the type of mix that produces memorable artists. It's also interesting to see, and correct if I am wrong, but that most of the really passionate love comes from the US and most of the vocal hate comes from the UK(with some exceptions). This reminds me of a discussion I had with some friends over the concept that there is not one 'urban art scene', but two distinct scenes with some crossover and a smidge of animosity toward each other. All-in-all, very interesting to see and will be even more interesting to look back at in 5 years' time. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 8:24:11 GMT 1, ^
Hmm, Imo the price was very high at Sothebys and probably supported by his network/galleries. Some of whom are on here and or some of whom may have gotten wind of it via the 'internet.'
I don't understand this argument that it's a positive sign that he has fans and detractors. You could say this about any artist on here - most of them won't mean anything in the long term.
And I don't know if it's fair to say UK people dislike Parla, I would have said the opposite myself. Especially with the Elms crowd over there.
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Hmm, Imo the price was very high at Sothebys and probably supported by his network/galleries. Some of whom are on here and or some of whom may have gotten wind of it via the 'internet.'
I don't understand this argument that it's a positive sign that he has fans and detractors. You could say this about any artist on here - most of them won't mean anything in the long term.
And I don't know if it's fair to say UK people dislike Parla, I would have said the opposite myself. Especially with the Elms crowd over there.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by thx1138 on Mar 15, 2009 10:29:51 GMT 1, ^ Hmm, Imo the price was very high at Sothebys and probably supported by his network/galleries. Some of whom are on here and or some of whom may have gotten wind of it via the 'internet.' Snausages, the price wasn't too high, the estimate was too low...and if any of Parlas galleries were underbidding, that piece would have gone for twice as much....as far as the US vs. UK love for Parla? consider the fact that Parlas show @ Elms last year was one of the most successful solo shows IN the UK....does that mean that US is sleeping on Parla? hardly. if you're really trying to have that conversation Parla is actually biggest in Asia, hows them apples? Weather people like Parla or not is irrelevant...the fact remains is that artists like him will never stop painting. Too many on this forum are day trading and trying to do a sports play by play on every artists stock. it's exhausting and pointless.... 99% of the artists that most of us love are not even midway in their career....even the ones that have been doing it for twenty years are just getting started.....as always BUY WHAT YOU LOVE and think in DECADES not months or years....Os Gemeos when they are 50? Parla when he is 50? Walker when he is 50, Banksy when he is 50 Josh Keyes when he is 50? Holy Sh*T!!...these guys are not working at a shoe store anytime soon....(can't speak for some others) 15 years from now don't you want to be that old ass man with a bidding paddle hoovering up a rare early Parla circa 2002? I do.... I can list 30+ artists from this emerging art scene that will all be filling the fancy Contemporary Art catalogues in 2029...so what...now all we have to do is make sure some Dirty Bomb doesn't send us back to the stone age before then...
^ Hmm, Imo the price was very high at Sothebys and probably supported by his network/galleries. Some of whom are on here and or some of whom may have gotten wind of it via the 'internet.' Snausages, the price wasn't too high, the estimate was too low...and if any of Parlas galleries were underbidding, that piece would have gone for twice as much....as far as the US vs. UK love for Parla? consider the fact that Parlas show @ Elms last year was one of the most successful solo shows IN the UK....does that mean that US is sleeping on Parla? hardly. if you're really trying to have that conversation Parla is actually biggest in Asia, hows them apples? Weather people like Parla or not is irrelevant...the fact remains is that artists like him will never stop painting. Too many on this forum are day trading and trying to do a sports play by play on every artists stock. it's exhausting and pointless.... 99% of the artists that most of us love are not even midway in their career....even the ones that have been doing it for twenty years are just getting started.....as always BUY WHAT YOU LOVE and think in DECADES not months or years....Os Gemeos when they are 50? Parla when he is 50? Walker when he is 50, Banksy when he is 50 Josh Keyes when he is 50? Holy Sh*T!!...these guys are not working at a shoe store anytime soon....(can't speak for some others) 15 years from now don't you want to be that old ass man with a bidding paddle hoovering up a rare early Parla circa 2002? I do.... I can list 30+ artists from this emerging art scene that will all be filling the fancy Contemporary Art catalogues in 2029...so what...now all we have to do is make sure some Dirty Bomb doesn't send us back to the stone age before then... |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by wiz on Mar 15, 2009 10:40:17 GMT 1, I would be interested in your pick of the 30 plus Artists from this scene, or maybe just 15 of them.
I would be interested in your pick of the 30 plus Artists from this scene, or maybe just 15 of them.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Francis on Mar 15, 2009 12:26:01 GMT 1, Everything being said here about Parla was said about Micallef 2 years ago.
Everything being said here about Parla was said about Micallef 2 years ago.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by skanky on Mar 15, 2009 12:31:51 GMT 1, This argument is tedious and has more to do with the ego of members trying to prove they know more than the next guy.
This argument is tedious and has more to do with the ego of members trying to prove they know more than the next guy.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by thx1138 on Mar 15, 2009 13:05:41 GMT 1, I would be interested in your pick of the 30 plus Artists from this scene, or maybe just 15 of them.
Wizbong....besides this Streetopoly game which I agree with 80%
I put together a montage of some of my favorites....a bit random but there were too many great artists and individual pieces in '08 that dropped my jaw....I need to post this in best of '08 as well.... let's see some of your favorites....
I would be interested in your pick of the 30 plus Artists from this scene, or maybe just 15 of them. Wizbong....besides this Streetopoly game which I agree with 80% I put together a montage of some of my favorites....a bit random but there were too many great artists and individual pieces in '08 that dropped my jaw....I need to post this in best of '08 as well.... let's see some of your favorites.... |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by manty on Mar 15, 2009 15:05:17 GMT 1, yes we should bring this back on track. Our friend junkieart wanted to broker a deal with a banksy hand (see earlier posts) for a Parla OG. I then made the thread abit of a joke, again see previous - sorry for this JA then the chavs and barbars got involved - always a bad sign. But best advice is this and to stick to most factual things. yes lets stick to facts, I made 1 comment (2 inc this ) you made 9 - so i think you have shown you have been the most overly involved and overly opinionated on this matter, you are even making comments/suggestions to get people banned!!!
You are both naughty boys, now behave
Thankyou
yes we should bring this back on track. Our friend junkieart wanted to broker a deal with a banksy hand (see earlier posts) for a Parla OG. I then made the thread abit of a joke, again see previous - sorry for this JA then the chavs and barbars got involved - always a bad sign. But best advice is this and to stick to most factual things. yes lets stick to facts, I made 1 comment (2 inc this ) you made 9 - so i think you have shown you have been the most overly involved and overly opinionated on this matter, you are even making comments/suggestions to get people banned!!! You are both naughty boys, now behave Thankyou |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 16:05:40 GMT 1, Snausages, the price wasn't too high, the estimate was too low...and if any of Parlas galleries were underbidding, that piece would have gone for twice as much.... Os Gemeos when they are 50? Parla when he is 50? Walker when he is 50, Banksy when he is 50 Josh Keyes when he is 50? Holy Sh*T!!...these guys are not working at a shoe store anytime soon....(can't speak for some others) 15 years from now don't you want to be that old ass man with a bidding paddle hoovering up a rare early Parla circa 2002? I do.... I can list 30+ artists from this emerging art scene that will all be filling the fancy Contemporary Art catalogues in 2029... I'd be shocked if there weren't people bidding on that Parla with a financial interest in his career. It's not uncommon in that situation. And 50k really is a lot for an artist like him. How do you think Sothebys came to the conclusion that the estimate should be 8-12k? They didn't pull that number out of a hat. And there's tons of old artists filling fancy art catalogues now whose work can't break 6 figures most can't even come close. Longevity doesn't mean great success.
Snausages, the price wasn't too high, the estimate was too low...and if any of Parlas galleries were underbidding, that piece would have gone for twice as much.... Os Gemeos when they are 50? Parla when he is 50? Walker when he is 50, Banksy when he is 50 Josh Keyes when he is 50? Holy Sh*T!!...these guys are not working at a shoe store anytime soon....(can't speak for some others) 15 years from now don't you want to be that old ass man with a bidding paddle hoovering up a rare early Parla circa 2002? I do.... I can list 30+ artists from this emerging art scene that will all be filling the fancy Contemporary Art catalogues in 2029... I'd be shocked if there weren't people bidding on that Parla with a financial interest in his career. It's not uncommon in that situation. And 50k really is a lot for an artist like him. How do you think Sothebys came to the conclusion that the estimate should be 8-12k? They didn't pull that number out of a hat. And there's tons of old artists filling fancy art catalogues now whose work can't break 6 figures most can't even come close. Longevity doesn't mean great success. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 16:23:18 GMT 1, This argument is tedious and has more to do with the ego of members trying to prove they know more than the next guy. yes we should bring this back on track. ... then the chavs and barbars got involved - always a bad sign.
I thought the chavs and Barbers got involved when you dropped some drunk ass comments Frankie. 
If you really want a Parla though, like he said, sell the Hand and contact Grajales in NY who was selling watercolors for $12k, but then dropped the price to $9k from what I hear. I wouldn't buy one though unless you can get a 20% discount on top of that, minimum 10% if you're really hard up to own a Parla.
This argument is tedious and has more to do with the ego of members trying to prove they know more than the next guy. yes we should bring this back on track. ... then the chavs and barbars got involved - always a bad sign. I thought the chavs and Barbers got involved when you dropped some drunk ass comments Frankie. If you really want a Parla though, like he said, sell the Hand and contact Grajales in NY who was selling watercolors for $12k, but then dropped the price to $9k from what I hear. I wouldn't buy one though unless you can get a 20% discount on top of that, minimum 10% if you're really hard up to own a Parla. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by manchestermike on Mar 15, 2009 17:56:23 GMT 1, An interesting thread, and I do agree with a lot of the comments about people wanting to protect their investments, it's human nature. I think it's impossible to dissuade these people that Parla is at the bottom of a steep upward curve price wise. At the end of the day it's all speculation until it happens, and that may not be for 5, 10 or more years, or ever.
To deride someone for wanting to swap their Banksy print for a Parla work is a bit out of order, value is all relative and although I'm not a Parla fan I don't see that someone with a Parla even entertaining the swap, but everyone sees the value of things differently so maybe you'll find someone who does... good luck in your hunt.
I seem to remember we had the same thing with Swoon about a year ago, and with many others, although I name Swoon as that was similar to this with two distinct camps... Anyhow give me a nice Neate, Banksy, Micallef, McAttee or Harrington any day (to name just five) rather than the Parla
An interesting thread, and I do agree with a lot of the comments about people wanting to protect their investments, it's human nature. I think it's impossible to dissuade these people that Parla is at the bottom of a steep upward curve price wise. At the end of the day it's all speculation until it happens, and that may not be for 5, 10 or more years, or ever. To deride someone for wanting to swap their Banksy print for a Parla work is a bit out of order, value is all relative and although I'm not a Parla fan I don't see that someone with a Parla even entertaining the swap, but everyone sees the value of things differently so maybe you'll find someone who does... good luck in your hunt. I seem to remember we had the same thing with Swoon about a year ago, and with many others, although I name Swoon as that was similar to this with two distinct camps... Anyhow give me a nice Neate, Banksy, Micallef, McAttee or Harrington any day (to name just five) rather than the Parla |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 18:04:06 GMT 1, the bottom line should be what the seller recieves, that gives a fair indication of price Eh? Surely the bottom line should be what the buyer pays to take it home? In this instance I believe it cost him/her/them ยฃ37,000.
I'm not interested in having a debate on semantics with you, you have your opinion, I have mine.
the bottom line should be what the seller recieves, that gives a fair indication of price Eh? Surely the bottom line should be what the buyer pays to take it home? In this instance I believe it cost him/her/them ยฃ37,000. I'm not interested in having a debate on semantics with you, you have your opinion, I have mine. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by robotoil on Mar 15, 2009 18:12:17 GMT 1, From this end of the therapy couch Iโd hazard that some of the haters on here are pissed off because they missed the boat. Freud would put that down to self-loathing. If you hate Parla watercolours so much Chavboy (see above) why were you asking Frankie for a price on one? As for me I am weeping like a tranny on a hormone rush because I wish Iโd bought more Parla. When I first started collecting him (long before you learned to log on) I paid less than ยฃ3k for a canvas and under ยฃ1k for a watercolour. Right now, according to the worldโs oldest established art auction house my Parla pieces are worth 14 times what I paid for them. If it were a toss up (another one for the Freud fans) between your six months dabbling on the Banksy forum and Sothebyโs 265 years in the art market I know whose valuation my insurance company would lean towards. Of course that valuation may change. My opinion on Parla never will. And no matter how much people like you whinge and barrack and diss and b**ch about his work, nothing you say will ever have any bearing on what theyโre worth or what they mean to me. One thing I would say to experts like yourself is go and see a Parla show and then report back from the front line. If you still hate him I promise Iโll meet you and Howlin' in Ikea so we can all browse through the postcards together. I've been to a Parla show and I've met the man and I'm really not that blown away - especially by him. It's just that the hyperbole and bigging up on this guy is just too much to take sometimes. That and the emotional exaggeration about him makes me feel really icky. It's like a bunch of used car salesmen here pushing this stuff. And actually according to the worlds oldest auction house a parla painting is worth about 8-12k. According to whatever dealers and or overemotional collectors who bid on it, it's worth about 50k. Big difference.
8-12K was the estimate. It sold for 50K.
From this end of the therapy couch Iโd hazard that some of the haters on here are pissed off because they missed the boat. Freud would put that down to self-loathing. If you hate Parla watercolours so much Chavboy (see above) why were you asking Frankie for a price on one? As for me I am weeping like a tranny on a hormone rush because I wish Iโd bought more Parla. When I first started collecting him (long before you learned to log on) I paid less than ยฃ3k for a canvas and under ยฃ1k for a watercolour. Right now, according to the worldโs oldest established art auction house my Parla pieces are worth 14 times what I paid for them. If it were a toss up (another one for the Freud fans) between your six months dabbling on the Banksy forum and Sothebyโs 265 years in the art market I know whose valuation my insurance company would lean towards. Of course that valuation may change. My opinion on Parla never will. And no matter how much people like you whinge and barrack and diss and b**ch about his work, nothing you say will ever have any bearing on what theyโre worth or what they mean to me. One thing I would say to experts like yourself is go and see a Parla show and then report back from the front line. If you still hate him I promise Iโll meet you and Howlin' in Ikea so we can all browse through the postcards together. I've been to a Parla show and I've met the man and I'm really not that blown away - especially by him. It's just that the hyperbole and bigging up on this guy is just too much to take sometimes. That and the emotional exaggeration about him makes me feel really icky. It's like a bunch of used car salesmen here pushing this stuff. And actually according to the worlds oldest auction house a parla painting is worth about 8-12k. According to whatever dealers and or overemotional collectors who bid on it, it's worth about 50k. Big difference. 8-12K was the estimate. It sold for 50K. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 18:29:38 GMT 1, So... Sothebys estimate of 8-12k was all a devious ploy to 'make headlines' about an amazing new artist who sold for triple estimates?! Sure, ok. And respected galleries don't literally price to match auction results although it's certainly a factor. ...and let me know when the rest of the world gives in to the 'true' market ok.
So... Sothebys estimate of 8-12k was all a devious ploy to 'make headlines' about an amazing new artist who sold for triple estimates?! Sure, ok. And respected galleries don't literally price to match auction results although it's certainly a factor. ...and let me know when the rest of the world gives in to the 'true' market ok.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 18:34:40 GMT 1, Holy sh*t! Sothebys estimate of 8-12k was all a devious ploy to 'make headlines' about this amazing new artists who just sold for triple estimates?!?!? Wow! And no, respected galleries don't set their prices based to match auction results although it's certainly a factor. ...and let me know when the rest of the world gives in to the 'true' market ok.
what do you all think of this from wooster collective ?
www.woostercollective.com/2009/03/should_art_be_treated_like_stocks.html
Holy sh*t! Sothebys estimate of 8-12k was all a devious ploy to 'make headlines' about this amazing new artists who just sold for triple estimates?!?!? Wow! And no, respected galleries don't set their prices based to match auction results although it's certainly a factor. ...and let me know when the rest of the world gives in to the 'true' market ok. what do you all think of this from wooster collective ? www.woostercollective.com/2009/03/should_art_be_treated_like_stocks.html |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by graeme501 on Mar 15, 2009 18:45:18 GMT 1, seems fair, if u buy art for enjoyment and for the wall, then u pay a price that u think is fair, if you are not going to sell it then what does it matter if they sell the next show's work at a cheaper price?
art as an investment should be that, it can go up, as it has in the past, but it can definetly go the other way, as it has been doing alot recently
seems fair, if u buy art for enjoyment and for the wall, then u pay a price that u think is fair, if you are not going to sell it then what does it matter if they sell the next show's work at a cheaper price?
art as an investment should be that, it can go up, as it has in the past, but it can definetly go the other way, as it has been doing alot recently
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Winter on Mar 15, 2009 18:51:41 GMT 1, I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum.
Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but in the art world it's not a huge amount and was probably a punt by someone who feels he has good future investment potential.
I also think he's wise not flooding the market with thousands of prints like Micallef and Neate though that probably irritates some forum members.
I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum.
Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but in the art world it's not a huge amount and was probably a punt by someone who feels he has good future investment potential.
I also think he's wise not flooding the market with thousands of prints like Micallef and Neate though that probably irritates some forum members.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 18:51:57 GMT 1, You should probably think of it more as being a patron to the artist and gallery that supports your artists than as an investment. It's definitely better for an artist you collect and support to have their gallery survive and that they continue to receive support, networking and help from that gallery, than let the gallery go under because of egos and pricing issues.
You should probably think of it more as being a patron to the artist and gallery that supports your artists than as an investment. It's definitely better for an artist you collect and support to have their gallery survive and that they continue to receive support, networking and help from that gallery, than let the gallery go under because of egos and pricing issues.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 15, 2009 19:10:54 GMT 1, I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum. Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but [not] in the art world
Last thing I'll say here, I mostly agree with the first part of what you say.
But, although 50k is nothing for people who collect old masters or things like Rothko, Koons or Warhol. I can't stress enough that 50k truly IS a lot of money for a contemporary artist today in his position, especially right now. I could list several contemporary artists that are very big deals, the cream of the crop, and almost guaranteed things like major museum retrospectives in 10-20 years โ if you're on the ball you can get a museum quality work right now by many of them for less than what the Sothebys piece sold for and who retail for less than Parla. That's crazy.
What continually surprises me is the concern in this scene, the scene about 'art for the masses' about prices and how much this stuff will be worth and how big these guys will be.
I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum. Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but [not] in the art world Last thing I'll say here, I mostly agree with the first part of what you say. But, although 50k is nothing for people who collect old masters or things like Rothko, Koons or Warhol. I can't stress enough that 50k truly IS a lot of money for a contemporary artist today in his position, especially right now. I could list several contemporary artists that are very big deals, the cream of the crop, and almost guaranteed things like major museum retrospectives in 10-20 years โ if you're on the ball you can get a museum quality work right now by many of them for less than what the Sothebys piece sold for and who retail for less than Parla. That's crazy. What continually surprises me is the concern in this scene, the scene about 'art for the masses' about prices and how much this stuff will be worth and how big these guys will be. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Winter on Mar 15, 2009 19:20:40 GMT 1, I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of people on this forum are in it for the money as well as having nice pictures on their walls.
I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of people on this forum are in it for the money as well as having nice pictures on their walls.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by wiz on Mar 15, 2009 20:06:16 GMT 1, Frankie i cant work all those equations out AND cope with auction fever at the same time.
Frankie i cant work all those equations out AND cope with auction fever at the same time.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by edcase on Mar 15, 2009 21:08:38 GMT 1, I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of people on this forum are in it for the money as well as having nice pictures on their walls.
But what are they doing with the money 9 times out of 10??? Buying bigger / better / more valuable art. I'm sure there are people out there using POW as a side income, but I think most of the people, certainly the people I know on here, sell pieces (particularly prints) to trade up for 'better' artists or pieces.
As for the comments about signed banksy vs. parla OG, are you serious? I cannot understand how anyone can justify paying 5 figures for ANY hand signed print. At the end of the day I don't give a damn how many exist, it's a bloody print!! How can that ever compare with an original piece of artwork, even a Parla watercolour??!
Just my opinion of course (and yes, I've been on 'the sauce'TM
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I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of people on this forum are in it for the money as well as having nice pictures on their walls. But what are they doing with the money 9 times out of 10??? Buying bigger / better / more valuable art. I'm sure there are people out there using POW as a side income, but I think most of the people, certainly the people I know on here, sell pieces (particularly prints) to trade up for 'better' artists or pieces. As for the comments about signed banksy vs. parla OG, are you serious? I cannot understand how anyone can justify paying 5 figures for ANY hand signed print. At the end of the day I don't give a damn how many exist, it's a bloody print!! How can that ever compare with an original piece of artwork, even a Parla watercolour??! Just my opinion of course (and yes, I've been on 'the sauce'TM ed |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 21:46:44 GMT 1, I'm not interested in having a debate on semantics with you, you have your opinion, I have mine. If you are selling a piece in auction, then it's the price on the hammer less the commissions thats important to the seller. If you are buying a piece in auction then of course what little bird says is 100% right. Something that surely can not be debated. It's the price plus commissions to take that piece home and that addition would determine your highest bid.
For the fear of continuing this pointless argument ,lets just content ourselves with the fact that people like yourself are only interested in the price inclusive of all fees, as you use that to justyfy some of the ridiculous prices charged by gallerys.
I'm not interested in having a debate on semantics with you, you have your opinion, I have mine. If you are selling a piece in auction, then it's the price on the hammer less the commissions thats important to the seller. If you are buying a piece in auction then of course what little bird says is 100% right. Something that surely can not be debated. It's the price plus commissions to take that piece home and that addition would determine your highest bid. For the fear of continuing this pointless argument ,lets just content ourselves with the fact that people like yourself are only interested in the price inclusive of all fees, as you use that to justyfy some of the ridiculous prices charged by gallerys. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 22:19:04 GMT 1, For the fear of continuing this pointless argument ,lets just content ourselves with the fact that people like yourself are only interested in the price inclusive of all fees, as you use that to justyfy some of the ridiculous prices charged by gallerys. I'd rather end this pointless argument with the fact you are completely wrong and fighting a loosing battle. But I appreciate it that you will not be continuing in this discussion so i'll stop right there.
Truth struck a nerve did it frankie!!
For the fear of continuing this pointless argument ,lets just content ourselves with the fact that people like yourself are only interested in the price inclusive of all fees, as you use that to justyfy some of the ridiculous prices charged by gallerys. I'd rather end this pointless argument with the fact you are completely wrong and fighting a loosing battle. But I appreciate it that you will not be continuing in this discussion so i'll stop right there. Truth struck a nerve did it frankie!! |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 22:32:15 GMT 1, Truth struck a nerve did it frankie!! Oh your back in, didn't take long. but your right Lou, you really have struck a nerve. I'm in bits.
Dont remember saying I was going anywhere, oh well must be my memory, unless you are now talking in riddles, but yes I can see how when the truth comes out it is rather distressing, never mind good luck with that ยฃ14K Parla watercolour, lol
p.s. meant to ask, can you let me have Herakut's number, have got a nice wall in my house for them to paint.
Truth struck a nerve did it frankie!! Oh your back in, didn't take long. but your right Lou, you really have struck a nerve. I'm in bits. Dont remember saying I was going anywhere, oh well must be my memory, unless you are now talking in riddles, but yes I can see how when the truth comes out it is rather distressing, never mind good luck with that ยฃ14K Parla watercolour, lol p.s. meant to ask, can you let me have Herakut's number, have got a nice wall in my house for them to paint. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by junkieart on Mar 15, 2009 22:39:45 GMT 1, The sauce seems to be popular on this thread!! Can we all now say no chance you t*at! Keep the B on your wall, you'll never have enough dough you fool (In a Mr T style?)
Far enough, and yes I will.
Peace JA
The sauce seems to be popular on this thread!! Can we all now say no chance you t*at! Keep the B on your wall, you'll never have enough dough you fool (In a Mr T style?)
Far enough, and yes I will.
Peace JA
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Francis on Mar 15, 2009 22:49:53 GMT 1, Most Parla collectors are very facist. They never hear the fact that people say they like Parla's work and think he's a good artist, but merely intimate that they feel his prices are too high. Once the facists hear that people think his prices are too high, they get their g-strings in a bunch. They always seem to say it's about Parla's art and what an artist he is, but they come back to the price nearly every thread. It's always about the price with those people. But when they are questioned about it, they go, "oh I'll never sell mine, so it doesn't matter"....then why are you so argumentative about the prices?
Parla is way overpriced and has been for the past few shows. Just look at who represents him. Name one gallery with clout in the art world. Not the Cartrain, Hush, Eelus world, but the ones with museum connections. Name some museums or institutions that have purchased his work. Now, why would you expect his work to truly command 6-figure prices? There is a reason why Sotheby's estimated their Parla piece the way they did. And, it's not to be overturned that there would be naysayers who dismiss that this wouldn't be unexpected due to obvious price protection by bids from dealers and collectors of Parla.
Most Parla collectors are very facist. They never hear the fact that people say they like Parla's work and think he's a good artist, but merely intimate that they feel his prices are too high. Once the facists hear that people think his prices are too high, they get their g-strings in a bunch. They always seem to say it's about Parla's art and what an artist he is, but they come back to the price nearly every thread. It's always about the price with those people. But when they are questioned about it, they go, "oh I'll never sell mine, so it doesn't matter"....then why are you so argumentative about the prices?
Parla is way overpriced and has been for the past few shows. Just look at who represents him. Name one gallery with clout in the art world. Not the Cartrain, Hush, Eelus world, but the ones with museum connections. Name some museums or institutions that have purchased his work. Now, why would you expect his work to truly command 6-figure prices? There is a reason why Sotheby's estimated their Parla piece the way they did. And, it's not to be overturned that there would be naysayers who dismiss that this wouldn't be unexpected due to obvious price protection by bids from dealers and collectors of Parla.
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