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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by junkieart on Mar 15, 2009 22:56:08 GMT 1, God bless you and the sauce my son!
Peace to all!!
Now when is the next bloody Herakut exhibit?
God bless you and the sauce my son!
Peace to all!!
Now when is the next bloody Herakut exhibit?
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by skanky on Mar 15, 2009 23:04:15 GMT 1, Francis, you and Snausages are like rabid dogs give it a rest ! How many times can you go over the same argument ? We all know your point of view that you don't think Parla and other artists are worth the money some people have paid. Just sit back and enjoy it if your predictions come true, thats what you want isn't it ? To see people lose their money and tell them I told you so ! Its more about your ego's and pretty sad if you ask me.
Francis, you and Snausages are like rabid dogs give it a rest ! How many times can you go over the same argument ? We all know your point of view that you don't think Parla and other artists are worth the money some people have paid. Just sit back and enjoy it if your predictions come true, thats what you want isn't it ? To see people lose their money and tell them I told you so ! Its more about your ego's and pretty sad if you ask me.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 23:19:59 GMT 1, ... never mind good luck with that ยฃ14K Parla watercolour, lol Sorry lou, just 1 more - he who laughs last -laughs longest, so I think I'll let the art do the talking - try and offer me 14k for this watercolour so i can LOL for a week. Sorts out the men from the Chavs huh? night matey  
Now you have totally lost me, why on earth would I want to offer 14K for that? unless of course this is a bit of reverse psychology and you are desperate for the money, if that is the case you only had to say, I guess it's a bit like london transport, keep putting the prices up to recoup the losses ,only to find they have fewer punters through doing so, vicsious circle ,eh mate!!!
And I was seroius about Herakuts number!!
Have a good one!!!!!
... never mind good luck with that ยฃ14K Parla watercolour, lol Sorry lou, just 1 more - he who laughs last -laughs longest, so I think I'll let the art do the talking - try and offer me 14k for this watercolour so i can LOL for a week. Sorts out the men from the Chavs huh? night matey Now you have totally lost me, why on earth would I want to offer 14K for that? unless of course this is a bit of reverse psychology and you are desperate for the money, if that is the case you only had to say, I guess it's a bit like london transport, keep putting the prices up to recoup the losses ,only to find they have fewer punters through doing so, vicsious circle ,eh mate!!! And I was seroius about Herakuts number!! Have a good one!!!!! |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 15, 2009 23:21:38 GMT 1, Me a Chav!! absolutely love that bit.
Me a Chav!! absolutely love that bit.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by mose on Mar 15, 2009 23:25:42 GMT 1, I don't understand this argument that it's a positive sign that he has fans and detractors. You could say this about any artist on here - most of them won't mean anything in the long term.
I'm sorry, I probably wasn't clear. The key for me is passion, regardless of it being displayed as love or as hate. The worst thing a piece of art, or an artist's career, can do is leave one completely indifferent. The true game-changers, the legends, have always had a very passionate base of detractors who exhibited an almost religious-like fervor in their denunciations. Duchamp, Pollock, Twombly, Warhol, Hirst, etc. all engendered devotion and damning. Either way, their mark was left.
It's funny, every time I read a newspaper article saying "Banksy isn't art, his work is a farce" or read one of many posts on this forum saying "Shepard Fairey is horrible, I hate his work it is worthless" or can go through 2 years' worth of threads to find the "Parla is just a crap bunch of scribbles, my child could do that, I can't believe you morons buy this s**t", I can't help but smile. The more bile being spewed, the wider the smile gets.
Now, Parla's work, at this stage, is not the revolutionary force the above-mentioned artists' works represent. But no one knows what the future holds, and he's off to an amazing start so far. Hell, when Warhol was around Parla's age he still had trouble selling work(the absolute bombing of his work at the 1964 show at Sonnabend Gallery in France) and critics were vicious(the 1962 MOMA symposium). I know I'm going to enjoy watching his career continue to unfold.
I don't understand this argument that it's a positive sign that he has fans and detractors. You could say this about any artist on here - most of them won't mean anything in the long term. I'm sorry, I probably wasn't clear. The key for me is passion, regardless of it being displayed as love or as hate. The worst thing a piece of art, or an artist's career, can do is leave one completely indifferent. The true game-changers, the legends, have always had a very passionate base of detractors who exhibited an almost religious-like fervor in their denunciations. Duchamp, Pollock, Twombly, Warhol, Hirst, etc. all engendered devotion and damning. Either way, their mark was left. It's funny, every time I read a newspaper article saying "Banksy isn't art, his work is a farce" or read one of many posts on this forum saying "Shepard Fairey is horrible, I hate his work it is worthless" or can go through 2 years' worth of threads to find the "Parla is just a crap bunch of scribbles, my child could do that, I can't believe you morons buy this s**t", I can't help but smile. The more bile being spewed, the wider the smile gets. Now, Parla's work, at this stage, is not the revolutionary force the above-mentioned artists' works represent. But no one knows what the future holds, and he's off to an amazing start so far. Hell, when Warhol was around Parla's age he still had trouble selling work(the absolute bombing of his work at the 1964 show at Sonnabend Gallery in France) and critics were vicious(the 1962 MOMA symposium). I know I'm going to enjoy watching his career continue to unfold. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by edcase on Mar 15, 2009 23:25:44 GMT 1, This thread = LOL.
Guys, take a look outside of the 'urban art' world for a second, we are talking a dot within a dot for the Parla's and Failes of this world and even most of Banksy's work. The reality is 95% of the work 95% of us are 'investing' in is unlikely to ever be worth truly significant money.
Buy what you like, at the price you can afford, for wall space you can spare, and enjoy it for what it is.
This thread = LOL.
Guys, take a look outside of the 'urban art' world for a second, we are talking a dot within a dot for the Parla's and Failes of this world and even most of Banksy's work. The reality is 95% of the work 95% of us are 'investing' in is unlikely to ever be worth truly significant money.
Buy what you like, at the price you can afford, for wall space you can spare, and enjoy it for what it is.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by howlinjack on Mar 15, 2009 23:32:47 GMT 1,
nice frame.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by edcase on Mar 15, 2009 23:33:31 GMT 1, Me a Chav!! absolutely love that bit.
I think he was talking about the forum member 'chav' or the artists formerly known as....
Me a Chav!! absolutely love that bit. I think he was talking about the forum member 'chav' or the artists formerly known as.... |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by mose on Mar 16, 2009 0:01:36 GMT 1, This thread = LOL. Guys, take a look outside of the 'urban art' world for a second, we are talking a dot within a dot for the Parla's and Failes of this world and even most of Banksy's work. The reality is 95% of the work 95% of us are 'investing' in is unlikely to ever be worth truly significant money..
Pop was just a dot with a dot once as well, and Abstract Expressionism was just a New York thing.
I agree with your idea though but think the percentage is more like 99%.....
This thread = LOL. Guys, take a look outside of the 'urban art' world for a second, we are talking a dot within a dot for the Parla's and Failes of this world and even most of Banksy's work. The reality is 95% of the work 95% of us are 'investing' in is unlikely to ever be worth truly significant money.. Pop was just a dot with a dot once as well, and Abstract Expressionism was just a New York thing. I agree with your idea though but think the percentage is more like 99%..... |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by robotoil on Mar 16, 2009 0:03:06 GMT 1, Still loving my postcard. LOL!!!
Still loving my postcard. LOL!!! |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Va Va Voom on Mar 16, 2009 0:09:45 GMT 1, Have not been on the forum for sometime due to a house move,reading through this thread has been rather saddening.Jose Parla is a very good artist,one who is totally consumed in the growth and progression of his artform,one who travels constantly seeking inspiration from different cultures.Showing in various cities around the globe for some 10 yrs ,slowly but surely growing his reputation, resisting the temptation to "cash in" with numerous prints throughout the "urban art movement" which in the UK was fever pitch level due to everyone considering themselves the next "Gagosian".
As mentioned before this thread has become a little tedious, I (surprise , suprise) am in the recognised group of Parla fans,others (you know the names ...) are not,but I find their relish at repeating ad nauseaum the Parla failings mystifying.Do I seek out threads of artists that I do not rate...........NO. Strange,but maybe thats me
Finally some of the non Parla fans have approached me in the past trying to secure original works........wonder if they are still searching ?
Have not been on the forum for sometime due to a house move,reading through this thread has been rather saddening.Jose Parla is a very good artist,one who is totally consumed in the growth and progression of his artform,one who travels constantly seeking inspiration from different cultures.Showing in various cities around the globe for some 10 yrs ,slowly but surely growing his reputation, resisting the temptation to "cash in" with numerous prints throughout the "urban art movement" which in the UK was fever pitch level due to everyone considering themselves the next "Gagosian".
As mentioned before this thread has become a little tedious, I (surprise , suprise) am in the recognised group of Parla fans,others (you know the names ...) are not,but I find their relish at repeating ad nauseaum the Parla failings mystifying.Do I seek out threads of artists that I do not rate...........NO. Strange,but maybe thats me
Finally some of the non Parla fans have approached me in the past trying to secure original works........wonder if they are still searching ?
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by RBK on Mar 16, 2009 0:24:04 GMT 1, This thread definitely provided some good reading upon my return from vacation. My various musings:
- No offense JA, you're not going to be able to swap a HAND for a original Parla period, and most likely won't be able to get a watercolor for it either. I agree you should sell it and use the money to purchase one outright if you are serious about adding one to your collection.
- $50K is $50K - regardless of who bought the Parla at Sotheby's. I think that is serious money regardless if it's a primary gallery, a private collector, or a eager forum member -which leads me to my next point...
- Many people here greatly exaggerate the importance/'power' of this forum. It's fairly easy to manipulate a market with lower priced prints, but when you start talking originals/international galleries/established auction houses/etc. it's a different ball game (not that it doesn't happen at that level also - but there are tons more variables involved).
- Everyone should sit back and just watch this movement find it's own path. Thinking in terms of a few years is retarded unless pure speculation is your motivation. 10 years is nothing in terms of the art world. I'm interested in what will still be exciting art appreciators & collectors in 10-25 years time.
- If anyone knows of Parla watercolors selling for 3-5K GBP please send them my way as I'll buy them sight unseen 
This thread definitely provided some good reading upon my return from vacation. My various musings: - No offense JA, you're not going to be able to swap a HAND for a original Parla period, and most likely won't be able to get a watercolor for it either. I agree you should sell it and use the money to purchase one outright if you are serious about adding one to your collection. - $50K is $50K - regardless of who bought the Parla at Sotheby's. I think that is serious money regardless if it's a primary gallery, a private collector, or a eager forum member -which leads me to my next point... - Many people here greatly exaggerate the importance/'power' of this forum. It's fairly easy to manipulate a market with lower priced prints, but when you start talking originals/international galleries/established auction houses/etc. it's a different ball game (not that it doesn't happen at that level also - but there are tons more variables involved). - Everyone should sit back and just watch this movement find it's own path. Thinking in terms of a few years is retarded unless pure speculation is your motivation. 10 years is nothing in terms of the art world. I'm interested in what will still be exciting art appreciators & collectors in 10-25 years time. - If anyone knows of Parla watercolors selling for 3-5K GBP please send them my way as I'll buy them sight unseen |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 16, 2009 0:47:37 GMT 1, Mose, I understand what you're saying but still don't buy your argument, by that take you could surmise that Cartrain, Hutch and Eelus will be super stars. I think in this case your putting way too much weight on some posts on an internet forum.
On the other hand in regards to the internet and forums, RBK I think you're underestimating the impact the internet and forums have. Information is spread at lightspeed and the desire to be on the "in" is highly contagious. Numerous examples exist of items and artists selling out instantaneous from forum and blog mentions. It creates a very liquid market and a vocal contingent who are 'fans' and wannabe fans even if they all aren't financially capable of being a serious collector.
It makes this work very accessible, liquid, volatile and exciting. Parla and every artist mentioned on this forum has benefited from this online community and the endless chase. If I ever would purchase a work by Parla it would be a decision influenced by this forum and the internet more than his resume. But I would feel more assured knowing there's an accessible rabid following online who are dying to own the 'hottest new thing' and that I could unload itif need be. If it weren't for the internet, forums, and many 'fans' on them supporting his lower and higher tiers Parla would not be selling like he has.
Look at Kaws, he has an insane following that he's built and has been greatly enhanced by the internet and now everyone the world over can follow and collect him. His massive following plays a role in his art world success. I can only guess how many emails Honor Fraser has received from people wanting to buy a work by Kaws - even if 99% of those emails are form people dreaming it changes the dynamic of his market for sure, same with Parla and everyone here. I think this madness can greatly distort reality and the perception of their market. It's like a virus and the internet is the conductor.
Mose, I understand what you're saying but still don't buy your argument, by that take you could surmise that Cartrain, Hutch and Eelus will be super stars. I think in this case your putting way too much weight on some posts on an internet forum.
On the other hand in regards to the internet and forums, RBK I think you're underestimating the impact the internet and forums have. Information is spread at lightspeed and the desire to be on the "in" is highly contagious. Numerous examples exist of items and artists selling out instantaneous from forum and blog mentions. It creates a very liquid market and a vocal contingent who are 'fans' and wannabe fans even if they all aren't financially capable of being a serious collector.
It makes this work very accessible, liquid, volatile and exciting. Parla and every artist mentioned on this forum has benefited from this online community and the endless chase. If I ever would purchase a work by Parla it would be a decision influenced by this forum and the internet more than his resume. But I would feel more assured knowing there's an accessible rabid following online who are dying to own the 'hottest new thing' and that I could unload itif need be. If it weren't for the internet, forums, and many 'fans' on them supporting his lower and higher tiers Parla would not be selling like he has.
Look at Kaws, he has an insane following that he's built and has been greatly enhanced by the internet and now everyone the world over can follow and collect him. His massive following plays a role in his art world success. I can only guess how many emails Honor Fraser has received from people wanting to buy a work by Kaws - even if 99% of those emails are form people dreaming it changes the dynamic of his market for sure, same with Parla and everyone here. I think this madness can greatly distort reality and the perception of their market. It's like a virus and the internet is the conductor.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by volvic on Mar 16, 2009 1:01:06 GMT 1, I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum. Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but in the art world it's not a huge amount and was probably a punt by someone who feels he has good future investment potential. I also think he's wise not flooding the market with thousands of prints like Micallef and Neate though that probably irritates some forum members.
Neate has released a total of 13 prints which he did reluctantly due to demand, and is now never producing a print ever again - micaleff on the other hand is a different story.
I can't quite work out this thread. Jose Parla is gradually building himself a name doing what he likes doing and most of the time he does it pretty well. He's a nice guy and produces art which is more than can be said for half the drivel churned out by the have-a-go 'artists' on this forum. Personally I like his work and wish him well. $50k is a lot of money for most work that passes through this forum but in the art world it's not a huge amount and was probably a punt by someone who feels he has good future investment potential. I also think he's wise not flooding the market with thousands of prints like Micallef and Neate though that probably irritates some forum members. Neate has released a total of 13 prints which he did reluctantly due to demand, and is now never producing a print ever again - micaleff on the other hand is a different story. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by RBK on Mar 16, 2009 2:05:39 GMT 1, On the other hand in regards to the internet and forums, RBK I think you are seriously underplaying the impact that the internet and forums play. The internet spreads information at lightspeed and the desire to be on the "in" is highly contagious. Numerous examples of items and artists selling out instantaneous from forum and blog mentions could easily be produced. What this does is create a very liquid market for this stuff. It also creates a very vocal contingent who are 'fans' even if they all aren't financially capable of being a serious collector. Parla and almost every artist mentioned on this forum has undeniably benefited from this online community. If I ever would purchase a work by Parla it most definitely would be a decision influence by this forum and the internet and not by his resume.
snausages-
I'm not saying the internet/forums don't have a great impact on the interest in an artist.
But with regards to actually plopping down tens of thouands of dollars on purchasing an original - you're giving 'the forums' way too much credit.
There's no question tons of artists have benefitted from the internet. I would argue that's the biggest reason street/urban art actually became a legitimate movement so quickly.
For someone who claims to work at a gallery I sure hope you base your buying decisions on 1. what you actually want on your walls 2. and if the word 'investment' creaps into your rational whatsoever, you would put more importance on an artist's CV than some banter on a public internet forum.
On the other hand in regards to the internet and forums, RBK I think you are seriously underplaying the impact that the internet and forums play. The internet spreads information at lightspeed and the desire to be on the "in" is highly contagious. Numerous examples of items and artists selling out instantaneous from forum and blog mentions could easily be produced. What this does is create a very liquid market for this stuff. It also creates a very vocal contingent who are 'fans' even if they all aren't financially capable of being a serious collector. Parla and almost every artist mentioned on this forum has undeniably benefited from this online community. If I ever would purchase a work by Parla it most definitely would be a decision influence by this forum and the internet and not by his resume. snausages- I'm not saying the internet/forums don't have a great impact on the interest in an artist. But with regards to actually plopping down tens of thouands of dollars on purchasing an original - you're giving 'the forums' way too much credit. There's no question tons of artists have benefitted from the internet. I would argue that's the biggest reason street/urban art actually became a legitimate movement so quickly. For someone who claims to work at a gallery I sure hope you base your buying decisions on 1. what you actually want on your walls 2. and if the word 'investment' creaps into your rational whatsoever, you would put more importance on an artist's CV than some banter on a public internet forum. |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by snausages on Mar 16, 2009 3:14:58 GMT 1, No need to twist my words around but liquidity is definitely a part of the rational that supports buying an art work. If I see two works that I both love and I know one would be a very easy piece to unload if I came into financial trouble, obviously that plays a factor in the decision, but not the ultimate factor.
And I still don't think you're giving enough credit to how the internet has shaped this scene. Even if 99% of Kaws fans can't afford a canvas, the idea and impression that there are a million kids out there that love Kaws and scoop up his toys and prints in seconds will definitely have an influence on people who do have enough money and who get caught up in the hoopla and mania. It might not be bad but could be artificial in my opinion. But at least Kaws has major gallery representation behind him in both NY and CA as well. And I think his work retails for less than Parla. Go figure.
No need to twist my words around but liquidity is definitely a part of the rational that supports buying an art work. If I see two works that I both love and I know one would be a very easy piece to unload if I came into financial trouble, obviously that plays a factor in the decision, but not the ultimate factor.
And I still don't think you're giving enough credit to how the internet has shaped this scene. Even if 99% of Kaws fans can't afford a canvas, the idea and impression that there are a million kids out there that love Kaws and scoop up his toys and prints in seconds will definitely have an influence on people who do have enough money and who get caught up in the hoopla and mania. It might not be bad but could be artificial in my opinion. But at least Kaws has major gallery representation behind him in both NY and CA as well. And I think his work retails for less than Parla. Go figure.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by dkla on Mar 16, 2009 3:27:46 GMT 1, No need to twist my words around but it's undeniable that if you're thinking of buying a Banksy Faile Parla or any artist mentioned on this forum, the work is very liquid, thanks in large part to the internet and that is definitely a part of the rational that supports buying that work. If I have choice between buying two works that I both love and I know one would be a very easy piece to unload if I came into financial trouble, obviously that plays an important factor in the decision making but of course not the ultimate factor. And I still don't think you're giving enough credit to how the internet has shaped this scene. Even if 99% of Kaws fans can't afford a canvas, the idea and impression that there are a million kids out there that love Kaws and scoop up his toys and prints in seconds will definitely have an influential impact on people who do happen to have enough money to buy a canvas and who get caught up in the hoopla and mania. I'm not saying that's bad but could be somewhat artificial in my eyes. But at least Kaws has major gallery representation standing behind him in both NY and CA. And I think his work retails for less than Parla. Odd, but go figure...
I just want to say I love seeing all of these amazing Parlas posted on this thread! Damn they'd look good on my wall...! ;D
No need to twist my words around but it's undeniable that if you're thinking of buying a Banksy Faile Parla or any artist mentioned on this forum, the work is very liquid, thanks in large part to the internet and that is definitely a part of the rational that supports buying that work. If I have choice between buying two works that I both love and I know one would be a very easy piece to unload if I came into financial trouble, obviously that plays an important factor in the decision making but of course not the ultimate factor. And I still don't think you're giving enough credit to how the internet has shaped this scene. Even if 99% of Kaws fans can't afford a canvas, the idea and impression that there are a million kids out there that love Kaws and scoop up his toys and prints in seconds will definitely have an influential impact on people who do happen to have enough money to buy a canvas and who get caught up in the hoopla and mania. I'm not saying that's bad but could be somewhat artificial in my eyes. But at least Kaws has major gallery representation standing behind him in both NY and CA. And I think his work retails for less than Parla. Odd, but go figure... I just want to say I love seeing all of these amazing Parlas posted on this thread! Damn they'd look good on my wall...! ;D |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by manty on Mar 16, 2009 6:30:23 GMT 1, I do sometimes wonder what kind of premium we have payed the galleries on these artists due to forums like this.
A few musings, which are probably complete s**t, but hey its my s**t
This isnt aimed at Parla specifically, because we all have artists we follow and are happy to support, but seeing as this appears to be a thread where an artist is being discsussed I have tagged it here
At Parlas last show in Italy he had maybe 20 pieces for sale, of which my guess would be 60 odd percent went to Forum members, or someone who had some spare cash that a forum member knew and advised them to buy as in their opinion it would be better than having the money in the bank.
Now being that a gallery owner knows the work of many artists mentioned on here is going to sell out pretty much before the show opens, I would guess he would look and chat to the artists other representatives and chat about how to maximise the artists financial potential.
And I think thats where we pretty much are at now, prices are Maxed out, galleries will either decide to shaft the buyers of recent works by reducing the prices, or if they are nice (which I know they are) will give these customers first refusal so they can' average down'.
Otherwise whats going to happen, all the artists take a few years off or stock pile ? Or the galleries will be left with quite a bit of consignment stock which helps neither them nor the artist
All these guys with maybe Micallef as an exception are fringe players in a massive world of art who have been boosted to big boys sandpit prices far to early, but we like them, and we each have our favorite or 2 and really truly hope they will fly later in their career.
We have their lovely art on our walls which we take great pleasure looking at, but that one day we will most probably sell, and if we are really lucky and our eye for art was on target we will make a profit. If not then we will make an excuse and blame someone else for our misfortune ;-)
I guess my point is, If I indeed have a point is that this whole thread applies to about every artist, not just Parla.
Ps i would love a signed Hand, good luck with the sale :-)
I do sometimes wonder what kind of premium we have payed the galleries on these artists due to forums like this.
A few musings, which are probably complete s**t, but hey its my s**t
This isnt aimed at Parla specifically, because we all have artists we follow and are happy to support, but seeing as this appears to be a thread where an artist is being discsussed I have tagged it here
At Parlas last show in Italy he had maybe 20 pieces for sale, of which my guess would be 60 odd percent went to Forum members, or someone who had some spare cash that a forum member knew and advised them to buy as in their opinion it would be better than having the money in the bank.
Now being that a gallery owner knows the work of many artists mentioned on here is going to sell out pretty much before the show opens, I would guess he would look and chat to the artists other representatives and chat about how to maximise the artists financial potential.
And I think thats where we pretty much are at now, prices are Maxed out, galleries will either decide to shaft the buyers of recent works by reducing the prices, or if they are nice (which I know they are) will give these customers first refusal so they can' average down'.
Otherwise whats going to happen, all the artists take a few years off or stock pile ? Or the galleries will be left with quite a bit of consignment stock which helps neither them nor the artist
All these guys with maybe Micallef as an exception are fringe players in a massive world of art who have been boosted to big boys sandpit prices far to early, but we like them, and we each have our favorite or 2 and really truly hope they will fly later in their career.
We have their lovely art on our walls which we take great pleasure looking at, but that one day we will most probably sell, and if we are really lucky and our eye for art was on target we will make a profit. If not then we will make an excuse and blame someone else for our misfortune ;-)
I guess my point is, If I indeed have a point is that this whole thread applies to about every artist, not just Parla.
Ps i would love a signed Hand, good luck with the sale :-)
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Francis on Mar 16, 2009 7:21:58 GMT 1, thats what you want isn't it ? To see people lose their money and tell them I told you so ! Its more about your ego's and pretty sad if you ask me.
This is hilarious. How exactly will people "lose their money"? Are you taking a piss?
thats what you want isn't it ? To see people lose their money and tell them I told you so ! Its more about your ego's and pretty sad if you ask me. This is hilarious. How exactly will people "lose their money"? Are you taking a piss? |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by skanky on Mar 16, 2009 8:58:28 GMT 1, No just having my breakfast.
No just having my breakfast.
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loucastel
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by loucastel on Mar 16, 2009 9:44:19 GMT 1, No just having my breakfast.
It's to early for levity, just spat my cornflakes all over the keboard, lol!!!!
No just having my breakfast. It's to early for levity, just spat my cornflakes all over the keboard, lol!!!! |
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Harveyn
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Harveyn on Mar 16, 2009 10:38:34 GMT 1, This is the best thread I have read on here in ages.
This is the best thread I have read on here in ages.
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poofly
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by poofly on Mar 22, 2009 13:17:10 GMT 1, oof bit late onto this thread.
50k for a parla? seems awfully steep for a relatively new contemporary artist.
Remember that crap Nick Walker Canvas at auction that got upto 50k too, then everyone went stoopid trying to get hold of anything & everything by him.
Sorry for sounding oh so pessamistic but all it takes nowadays is for two people connected to a gallery to do some shill bidding at one of the big auction houses and you've just made a massive market for someone who may not be worth feck all.
Not saying it has happened like this but considering how much everyone is banging on about one auction result and setting that as there standards it would certainly make sense for a gallery to take a 20% commission hit at 50k if they had 5 of the feckers in their gallery.
commence the 'you're a tw@ mate' and 'who asked you' type banter.
oof bit late onto this thread.
50k for a parla? seems awfully steep for a relatively new contemporary artist.
Remember that crap Nick Walker Canvas at auction that got upto 50k too, then everyone went stoopid trying to get hold of anything & everything by him.
Sorry for sounding oh so pessamistic but all it takes nowadays is for two people connected to a gallery to do some shill bidding at one of the big auction houses and you've just made a massive market for someone who may not be worth feck all.
Not saying it has happened like this but considering how much everyone is banging on about one auction result and setting that as there standards it would certainly make sense for a gallery to take a 20% commission hit at 50k if they had 5 of the feckers in their gallery.
commence the 'you're a tw@ mate' and 'who asked you' type banter.
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by wiz on Mar 22, 2009 13:26:49 GMT 1, Im shocked to the core! does that sort of thing really go on at auctions then?
Im shocked to the core! does that sort of thing really go on at auctions then? |
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by mose on Mar 22, 2009 13:51:49 GMT 1, oof bit late onto this thread. 50k for a parla? seems awfully steep for a relatively new contemporary artist. Remember that crap Nick Walker Canvas at auction that got upto 50k too, then everyone went stoopid trying to get hold of anything & everything by him. Sorry for sounding oh so pessamistic but all it takes nowadays is for two people connected to a gallery to do some shill bidding at one of the big auction houses and you've just made a massive market for someone who may not be worth feck all. Not saying it has happened like this but considering how much everyone is banging on about one auction result and setting that as there standards it would certainly make sense for a gallery to take a 20% commission hit at 50k if they had 5 of the feckers in their gallery. commence the 'you're a tw@ mate' and 'who asked you' type banter.
I believe that the difference in the Walker and Parla situations is that Parla's work routinely sells for more. He has achieved $50k+ for his work many times and that same size piece is significantly more expensive at primary. Walker's result was a complete outlier at that time that dragged everything else up. Parla's auction result is actually lower than the same size currently sells through at primary.
oof bit late onto this thread. 50k for a parla? seems awfully steep for a relatively new contemporary artist. Remember that crap Nick Walker Canvas at auction that got upto 50k too, then everyone went stoopid trying to get hold of anything & everything by him. Sorry for sounding oh so pessamistic but all it takes nowadays is for two people connected to a gallery to do some shill bidding at one of the big auction houses and you've just made a massive market for someone who may not be worth feck all. Not saying it has happened like this but considering how much everyone is banging on about one auction result and setting that as there standards it would certainly make sense for a gallery to take a 20% commission hit at 50k if they had 5 of the feckers in their gallery. commence the 'you're a tw@ mate' and 'who asked you' type banter. I believe that the difference in the Walker and Parla situations is that Parla's work routinely sells for more. He has achieved $50k+ for his work many times and that same size piece is significantly more expensive at primary. Walker's result was a complete outlier at that time that dragged everything else up. Parla's auction result is actually lower than the same size currently sells through at primary. |
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poofly
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by poofly on Mar 23, 2009 12:29:43 GMT 1, oh right.
I'll get my coat...
oh right.
I'll get my coat...
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by wiz on Mar 23, 2009 12:34:10 GMT 1, Pass me mine too while you are there please!.
Pass me mine too while you are there please!.
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Francis
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by Francis on Mar 23, 2009 20:17:50 GMT 1, I'll put the lotion in the basket
I'll put the lotion in the basket
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by junkieart on Mar 23, 2009 23:38:36 GMT 1, Taxi for JA!!
Taxi for JA!!
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Parla wanted - Rare Banksy , by slowmo on Mar 23, 2009 23:56:48 GMT 1, Thought there was some progression shown in this one. Probably my favourite Parla watercolour 
Thats rather nice, has a cuttlefish style thing going on with the colours.
Thought there was some progression shown in this one. Probably my favourite Parla watercolour Thats rather nice, has a cuttlefish style thing going on with the colours. |
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