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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by jh153 on Jun 25, 2008 15:57:11 GMT 1, Textbooks and tissue paper.
Textbooks and tissue paper.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Dellboyy on Jun 25, 2008 15:57:59 GMT 1, Personally i always leave it to uncurl naturally for a day or so, then stick it inbetween two pieces of thick cardboard/wood in tissue paper!
Personally i always leave it to uncurl naturally for a day or so, then stick it inbetween two pieces of thick cardboard/wood in tissue paper!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by carlito on Jun 25, 2008 15:58:39 GMT 1, altho the mattress method sounds inventive....I'd go for archival slip backed with card... then flat chipboard either side, with something heavy on top
altho the mattress method sounds inventive....I'd go for archival slip backed with card... then flat chipboard either side, with something heavy on top
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Tiki on Jun 25, 2008 16:01:00 GMT 1, Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about.
Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by cashman on Jun 25, 2008 16:03:53 GMT 1, Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about.
you only need to buy them once 
Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about. you only need to buy them once |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by mydeaddogwontwoof on Jun 25, 2008 16:04:55 GMT 1, I would avoid putting it under you mattress, especially if its sitting on slats, I would stick the print between sheets of acid free paper, then between 2 sheets of thick card, then chuck a few books or something on top to weigh it down a bit, it may take a few weeks to flatten out though, it depends what sort of paper it is, how tightly rolled it was, and how long it has been in the tube....
Edit... fuck me i need to type quicker, there was only one reply when I started writing!
I would avoid putting it under you mattress, especially if its sitting on slats, I would stick the print between sheets of acid free paper, then between 2 sheets of thick card, then chuck a few books or something on top to weigh it down a bit, it may take a few weeks to flatten out though, it depends what sort of paper it is, how tightly rolled it was, and how long it has been in the tube....
Edit... fuck me i need to type quicker, there was only one reply when I started writing!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Tiki on Jun 25, 2008 16:04:56 GMT 1, 2shay!
2shay!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by carlito on Jun 25, 2008 16:06:03 GMT 1, pretty much every time I get something back from the framers its got chip board either side to protect it.....
pretty much every time I get something back from the framers its got chip board either side to protect it..... |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by G-Man on Jun 25, 2008 16:16:58 GMT 1, I just put mine in the sleeve at the back of my portfolio and let the print flatten over time with the weight of the other prints on top
Most flatten pretty quick like this
I just put mine in the sleeve at the back of my portfolio and let the print flatten over time with the weight of the other prints on top
Most flatten pretty quick like this
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by spirit on Jun 25, 2008 16:20:33 GMT 1, I just put mine in the sleeve at the back of my portfolio and let the print flatten over time with the weight of the other prints on top Most flatten pretty quick like this
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I just put mine in the sleeve at the back of my portfolio and let the print flatten over time with the weight of the other prints on top Most flatten pretty quick like this snap |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by olapig on Jun 25, 2008 16:32:53 GMT 1, do you suggest flattening it out asap and then storing in a portfolio etc. or keeping it in the tube until you are going to frame it.
do you suggest flattening it out asap and then storing in a portfolio etc. or keeping it in the tube until you are going to frame it.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by carlito on Jun 25, 2008 16:45:56 GMT 1, I'd always put in a portfolio, and whenever possible give to the framer like this so it's pretty flat already....
I'd always put in a portfolio, and whenever possible give to the framer like this so it's pretty flat already....
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by dmandpenfold on Jun 25, 2008 16:58:12 GMT 1, do you suggest flattening it out asap and then storing in a portfolio etc. or keeping it in the tube until you are going to frame it.
olapig get it out of the tube as soon as you recieve it and store it flat, the longer it is in there the worse the curl will be and harder to remove.
You should always be a bit cautious when buying prints off folk on ebay who say 'print in perfect condition it's never been out of the tube since it was delivered'. In my opinion if it's been in the tube that long then it's in less than perfect condition
If the print has been in a tube for a long time the curl will be very difficult to remove and takes a lot of patience, if you try to uncurl it too quickly the print will develop a 'wavey' appearance due to the fibres not straightening evenly and this will still be visible after framing
...so my advice is to take your time, allow it to uncurl naturally for as long as possible then gradually start to flatten it by laying on a flat surface with a protective covering of tissue paper or similar and use some books in the centre of the print, gradually moving the books apart over a number of days to weeks until they reach the edge. then leave it like that until you are happy it has flattened and you are satisfied you can put it in an archival folder or between some board as previously suggested on the thread.
do you suggest flattening it out asap and then storing in a portfolio etc. or keeping it in the tube until you are going to frame it. olapig get it out of the tube as soon as you recieve it and store it flat, the longer it is in there the worse the curl will be and harder to remove. You should always be a bit cautious when buying prints off folk on ebay who say 'print in perfect condition it's never been out of the tube since it was delivered'. In my opinion if it's been in the tube that long then it's in less than perfect condition If the print has been in a tube for a long time the curl will be very difficult to remove and takes a lot of patience, if you try to uncurl it too quickly the print will develop a 'wavey' appearance due to the fibres not straightening evenly and this will still be visible after framing ...so my advice is to take your time, allow it to uncurl naturally for as long as possible then gradually start to flatten it by laying on a flat surface with a protective covering of tissue paper or similar and use some books in the centre of the print, gradually moving the books apart over a number of days to weeks until they reach the edge. then leave it like that until you are happy it has flattened and you are satisfied you can put it in an archival folder or between some board as previously suggested on the thread. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by olapig on Jun 25, 2008 17:46:05 GMT 1, Thanks for all your advice 
When i have bought prints in the past from galleries i always had them mounted, usually in the publishers mount, but i just got Fight Vanity the other day and didn't know what to do for the best as also it is quite a heavy print.
I will lay it out straight away.
Thanks for all your advice When i have bought prints in the past from galleries i always had them mounted, usually in the publishers mount, but i just got Fight Vanity the other day and didn't know what to do for the best as also it is quite a heavy print. I will lay it out straight away. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by grantb on Jun 25, 2008 18:53:15 GMT 1, lay it flat in a portfolio, the more works in there the better as it weighs itdown and flattens over night.
lay it flat in a portfolio, the more works in there the better as it weighs itdown and flattens over night.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by funster on Jun 25, 2008 19:52:36 GMT 1, When I need a print flattened I take it to my local framer who has a machine that vacuums it flat over a few hours.
When I need a print flattened I take it to my local framer who has a machine that vacuums it flat over a few hours.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Dellboyy on Jun 27, 2008 14:18:23 GMT 1, Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about.
I use the packaging i got with my Blk/Mrkt Ian Francis print, two big thick pieces of cardboard, with a big bit of wood inside... easily big enough for most prints!
Yea everyone elses ideas are much better than mine, im just a lazy t**t. But really who has two large bits of flat wood kicking about. I use the packaging i got with my Blk/Mrkt Ian Francis print, two big thick pieces of cardboard, with a big bit of wood inside... easily big enough for most prints! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by weeble on Jun 27, 2008 16:35:53 GMT 1, this guys' keeping my Love Rat flat as we speak...
this guys' keeping my Love Rat flat as we speak... |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by fecam on Jun 27, 2008 16:39:39 GMT 1, this guys' keeping my Love Rat flat as we speak...
Funny how your name matches the image!
this guys' keeping my Love Rat flat as we speak... Funny how your name matches the image! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 16:52:27 GMT 1, CASS ART in soho have an 80% off sale at the mo, i bought an A1 folder for ยฃ29.99. Half Price. Had a load of good deals so well worth a look. 24 Berwick Street. Very impressed.
CASS ART in soho have an 80% off sale at the mo, i bought an A1 folder for ยฃ29.99. Half Price. Had a load of good deals so well worth a look. 24 Berwick Street. Very impressed.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by guest2 on Jun 27, 2008 19:07:55 GMT 1,
Warning to anyone who spends their evenings in dodgy chat rooms. That 25 year old Californian hottie called 'April' you've been talking too, this is what she looks like!!!!
Warning to anyone who spends their evenings in dodgy chat rooms. That 25 year old Californian hottie called 'April' you've been talking too, this is what she looks like!!!! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Prescription Art on Jun 27, 2008 19:12:05 GMT 1, Warning to anyone who spends their evenings in dodgy chat rooms. That 25 year old Californian hottie called 'April' you've been talking too, this is what she looks like!!!!
It can't be, she showed me a pictures of her tits.
Oh, hang on..... GAAAHHHHHHH!
Warning to anyone who spends their evenings in dodgy chat rooms. That 25 year old Californian hottie called 'April' you've been talking too, this is what she looks like!!!! It can't be, she showed me a pictures of her tits. Oh, hang on..... GAAAHHHHHHH! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by weeble on Jun 27, 2008 20:03:22 GMT 1, All joking aside, can't a man wait for the next Banksy release in the comfort of his own home, er, naked?...
All joking aside, can't a man wait for the next Banksy release in the comfort of his own home, er, naked?...
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 9:24:52 GMT 1, I have recently received several queries regarding ripples in prints which have been framed.
As you know, rolling of prints is the easiest and cheapest way for dealers to send out artwork. However, rolling of works does cause damage!
The paper fibres are stretched along the backs of the roll and crushed on the inside. This process is worsened every time you then remove the work from the tube and re roll. When rolling, pressure put on the print often means that the print is never rolled in a true circle motion - The print is often then left in storage in this position, causing lines/ripples across the print!
If your work is then float mounted you do not really notice the ripples as the print does not lay totally flat anyway. However, once window mounted and the mount is pushing down on the print the ripples are "fighting" against the mount and leaving the ripples clearly visible, further enhaced by the glass.
The best way to prevent damage to your prints would be:
1. Remove your works from tubes and store flat.
2. Avoid the temptation of removing your prints from their tubes and re rolling.
3. Store in the widest tube possible - BRP tubes are the best out there at the moment! POW literally crush your print to fit into the most narrow/cheapest tube they can find
I have spoken to my restorer and there are things that can be done to repair the paper, however the cost for this would be around ยฃ70!!!
As a framer the tube situation and rolling of prints is a bloody nightmare, people naturally think that it is something that the framer has done in the process of framing. However I hope that this post has been useful and assured you that this is not the case!
Regards, Gary
I have recently received several queries regarding ripples in prints which have been framed.
As you know, rolling of prints is the easiest and cheapest way for dealers to send out artwork. However, rolling of works does cause damage!
The paper fibres are stretched along the backs of the roll and crushed on the inside. This process is worsened every time you then remove the work from the tube and re roll. When rolling, pressure put on the print often means that the print is never rolled in a true circle motion - The print is often then left in storage in this position, causing lines/ripples across the print!
If your work is then float mounted you do not really notice the ripples as the print does not lay totally flat anyway. However, once window mounted and the mount is pushing down on the print the ripples are "fighting" against the mount and leaving the ripples clearly visible, further enhaced by the glass.
The best way to prevent damage to your prints would be:
1. Remove your works from tubes and store flat.
2. Avoid the temptation of removing your prints from their tubes and re rolling.
3. Store in the widest tube possible - BRP tubes are the best out there at the moment! POW literally crush your print to fit into the most narrow/cheapest tube they can find
I have spoken to my restorer and there are things that can be done to repair the paper, however the cost for this would be around ยฃ70!!!
As a framer the tube situation and rolling of prints is a bloody nightmare, people naturally think that it is something that the framer has done in the process of framing. However I hope that this post has been useful and assured you that this is not the case!
Regards, Gary
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by dmf on Oct 9, 2008 9:34:28 GMT 1, Loud and clear. Cheers Gaz!
Loud and clear. Cheers Gaz!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by doublehelix on Oct 9, 2008 9:40:20 GMT 1, If you do have ripples appear, do they flatten out or are they permanent?
If you do have ripples appear, do they flatten out or are they permanent?
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 9:48:59 GMT 1, If you do have ripples appear, do they flatten out or are they permanent?
Problem is that there are so many things that could contribute:
1. Quality of paper
2. How long been rolled
3. Number of times re rolled
4. Size of tube
I have known of prints that we have framed and the ripples have imroved over time, then I personally have a Barcode which hasn't improved whatsoever!
Sorry to be vague!
If you do have ripples appear, do they flatten out or are they permanent? Problem is that there are so many things that could contribute: 1. Quality of paper 2. How long been rolled 3. Number of times re rolled 4. Size of tube I have known of prints that we have framed and the ripples have imroved over time, then I personally have a Barcode which hasn't improved whatsoever! Sorry to be vague! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Rsyok on Oct 9, 2008 9:56:27 GMT 1, Nice post Mr F.
This is not a recommendation but I had a poorly framed neglected print with a buckle type ripple. I carefully reverse rolled it (ink out but protected) back into a tube.
Initially the buckle was totally gone but has crept back to a much lesser degree.
I repeat not a recommendation but an illustration of the paper fibres going both ways.
Nice post Mr F.
This is not a recommendation but I had a poorly framed neglected print with a buckle type ripple. I carefully reverse rolled it (ink out but protected) back into a tube.
Initially the buckle was totally gone but has crept back to a much lesser degree.
I repeat not a recommendation but an illustration of the paper fibres going both ways.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by njr911 on Oct 9, 2008 10:01:38 GMT 1, That reminds me. I must send you my Faile that's still in a tube!
That reminds me. I must send you my Faile that's still in a tube!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by bobbyt23 on Oct 9, 2008 10:01:58 GMT 1, Nice post Gary.
I read it's best to let your prints unroll slowly aswell and not force them as that can cause ripples too.
Nice post Gary.
I read it's best to let your prints unroll slowly aswell and not force them as that can cause ripples too.
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