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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 10:05:49 GMT 1, Nice post Gary. I read it's best to let your prints unroll slowly aswell and not force them as that can cause ripples too.
That's right - Should let them "relax" and not just put pressure straight on them to flatten.
Nice post Gary. I read it's best to let your prints unroll slowly aswell and not force them as that can cause ripples too. That's right - Should let them "relax" and not just put pressure straight on them to flatten. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by origo on Oct 9, 2008 10:16:53 GMT 1, Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome.
Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D
Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome.
Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 10:31:32 GMT 1, Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome. Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D
Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D
Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube!
PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop! 
Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome. Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube! PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by bobbyt23 on Oct 9, 2008 10:34:13 GMT 1, Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome. Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube! PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop!
Yeah that chain you have on him is working a treat.
Great post from a pro, some expensive stuff around and guidelines from someone who knows is very welcome. Now I know how to flatten my new Walker print. ;D Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube! PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop! Yeah that chain you have on him is working a treat. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 10:51:17 GMT 1, Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube! PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop! Yeah that chain you have on him is working a treat.
It is, but it has nothing to do with work!
Goes without saying....Best way to flatten a print is by getting us to frame it! ;D Never actually ever had a problem with anything in a BRP tube! PS, Dale is the pro, but he is far to busy to leave the workshop! Yeah that chain you have on him is working a treat. It is, but it has nothing to do with work! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Art-el on Oct 9, 2008 11:02:40 GMT 1, In my book this is one of the biggest perils & pitfalls of buying collecting and storing prints.
A lot of the bigger print houses really fall down badly on this score.
Whenever possible print should be left flat as long as possible before tubing and dispatch. I know of quite a few occasions where prints have been tubed up to 6 weeks plus which is a disgrace. Where/when would you pay cost for something slightly flawed?
Also some of the tube sizes used are again appalling with a few exceptions (BRP, BLK MRT).
Again when you consider your paying sometimes in excess of ยฃ500 (and some) and it arrives in a fricking 'Smarties' tube is once again very poor.
Paper has a memory (As Gary says) those fibres are so easily damaged
If poss you should remove immediately from the tube.
Leave to unfurl for as long as possible, I have left some for over 2 mths before framing or storing.
Also resist weighting down for as long as possible
RESIST any temptation to roll them back on themselves.
If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched)
www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.html
And very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think.
BIG printhouses, (and there are lots) take note. If your customers are paying ยฃ400 or ยฃ500 quid is a fiver for a fat tube a bridge too far??
In my book this is one of the biggest perils & pitfalls of buying collecting and storing prints. A lot of the bigger print houses really fall down badly on this score. Whenever possible print should be left flat as long as possible before tubing and dispatch. I know of quite a few occasions where prints have been tubed up to 6 weeks plus which is a disgrace. Where/when would you pay cost for something slightly flawed? Also some of the tube sizes used are again appalling with a few exceptions (BRP, BLK MRT). Again when you consider your paying sometimes in excess of ยฃ500 (and some) and it arrives in a fricking 'Smarties' tube is once again very poor. Paper has a memory (As Gary says) those fibres are so easily damaged If poss you should remove immediately from the tube. Leave to unfurl for as long as possible, I have left some for over 2 mths before framing or storing. Also resist weighting down for as long as possible RESIST any temptation to roll them back on themselves. If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. BIG printhouses, (and there are lots) take note. If your customers are paying ยฃ400 or ยฃ500 quid is a fiver for a fat tube a bridge too far?? |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by snakes on Oct 9, 2008 11:09:26 GMT 1, A very good post - should be one of those sticky ones that will float at the top.
Cheers guys.
A very good post - should be one of those sticky ones that will float at the top.
Cheers guys.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by atomone on Oct 9, 2008 11:10:39 GMT 1, Such a good post guys, that has eased my conscience on the 8 rolls under my bed that I keep looking at every morning! It's an absolute crime I know to have them all rolled up but am framing one a month due to financial circumstances! None for sale but all need framing, will be in touch soon Gary!
Such a good post guys, that has eased my conscience on the 8 rolls under my bed that I keep looking at every morning! It's an absolute crime I know to have them all rolled up but am framing one a month due to financial circumstances! None for sale but all need framing, will be in touch soon Gary!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by deepheat on Oct 9, 2008 11:20:54 GMT 1, All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed.
All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed.
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 11:28:18 GMT 1, In my book this is one of the biggest perils & pitfalls of buying collecting and storing prints. A lot of the bigger print houses really fall down badly on this score. Whenever possible print should be left flat as long as possible before tubing and dispatch. I know of quite a few occasions where prints have been tubed up to 6 weeks plus which is a disgrace. Where/when would you pay cost for something slightly flawed? Also some of the tube sizes used are again appalling with a few exceptions (BRP, BLK MRT). Again when you consider your paying sometimes in excess of ยฃ500 (and some) and it arrives in a fricking 'Smarties' tube is once again very poor. Paper has a memory (As Gary says) those fibres are so easily damaged If poss you should remove immediately from the tube. Leave to unfurl for as long as possible, I have left some for over 2 mths before framing or storing. Also resist weighting down for as long as possible RESIST any temptation to roll them back on themselves. If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. BIG printhouses, (and there are lots) take note. If your customers are paying ยฃ400 or ยฃ500 quid is a fiver for a fat tube a bridge too far??
Good stuff Mike.......many thanks for that contribution!
In my book this is one of the biggest perils & pitfalls of buying collecting and storing prints. A lot of the bigger print houses really fall down badly on this score. Whenever possible print should be left flat as long as possible before tubing and dispatch. I know of quite a few occasions where prints have been tubed up to 6 weeks plus which is a disgrace. Where/when would you pay cost for something slightly flawed? Also some of the tube sizes used are again appalling with a few exceptions (BRP, BLK MRT). Again when you consider your paying sometimes in excess of ยฃ500 (and some) and it arrives in a fricking 'Smarties' tube is once again very poor. Paper has a memory (As Gary says) those fibres are so easily damaged If poss you should remove immediately from the tube. Leave to unfurl for as long as possible, I have left some for over 2 mths before framing or storing. Also resist weighting down for as long as possible RESIST any temptation to roll them back on themselves. If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. BIG printhouses, (and there are lots) take note. If your customers are paying ยฃ400 or ยฃ500 quid is a fiver for a fat tube a bridge too far?? Good stuff Mike.......many thanks for that contribution! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 11:34:38 GMT 1, All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed.
Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat!
All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed. Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by arcam on Oct 9, 2008 12:03:03 GMT 1, When folks send you prints do you flatten them before framing?
Great thread btw. 
When folks send you prints do you flatten them before framing? Great thread btw. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Karl Read on Oct 9, 2008 12:15:01 GMT 1, All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed. Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat!
Should prints be taped down then? Cant the mount just hold it down? Im nervous about someone taping down my prints.
All good advice but I had one print framed since 2002, was reframed in 2007 to conservation standard and then started rippling a few months later??? it can't always be how its tubed. Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat! Should prints be taped down then? Cant the mount just hold it down? Im nervous about someone taping down my prints. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by atomone on Oct 9, 2008 12:37:12 GMT 1, I had one framed recently and the acid free tapes are applied at different points across edge of the print, as aposed to a whole length of tape sticking it all down, this way it allows a bit of movement without stretching the print in the process, they are quite low tack and can easily be removed without tearing etc
I had one framed recently and the acid free tapes are applied at different points across edge of the print, as aposed to a whole length of tape sticking it all down, this way it allows a bit of movement without stretching the print in the process, they are quite low tack and can easily be removed without tearing etc
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 12:49:43 GMT 1, When folks send you prints do you flatten them before framing? Great thread btw.
Thanks - We remove prints from tubes and leave to "relax" with no pressure on them initially. We then do flatten between acid free tissue and boards with a a little pressure until ready for framing!
When folks send you prints do you flatten them before framing? Great thread btw. Thanks - We remove prints from tubes and leave to "relax" with no pressure on them initially. We then do flatten between acid free tissue and boards with a a little pressure until ready for framing! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 9, 2008 12:55:52 GMT 1, Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat! Should prints be taped down then? Cant the mount just hold it down? Im nervous about someone taping down my prints.
No they should not be taped across the top as this does not allow the paper to expand and contract freely in change of temperature.
Dale uses japanese hinges on the top of the print to keep the print in place, then hinges the top of the mount on to the backing board.
Depends how it was framed before? If it was taped across the top then obviously it would not ripple. Once framed to conservation standard with no tapes etc then the paper is much more "free" to move as there would be very little to keep it 100% flat! Should prints be taped down then? Cant the mount just hold it down? Im nervous about someone taping down my prints. No they should not be taped across the top as this does not allow the paper to expand and contract freely in change of temperature. Dale uses japanese hinges on the top of the print to keep the print in place, then hinges the top of the mount on to the backing board. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by marshman on Oct 9, 2008 13:13:45 GMT 1, Gary, thanks for this I have a few pieces that it has happened to including my Applause and wasn't sure if it was my framer or not. The pieces had been tube stored for a quite some time as I did not have a large enough portfolio.
Now of course everything is stored flat... oh and thanks to BRP who stored the latest Walker's in a nice large folder which now houses all the big pieces....
Gary, thanks for this I have a few pieces that it has happened to including my Applause and wasn't sure if it was my framer or not. The pieces had been tube stored for a quite some time as I did not have a large enough portfolio.
Now of course everything is stored flat... oh and thanks to BRP who stored the latest Walker's in a nice large folder which now houses all the big pieces....
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Zippy on Oct 9, 2008 13:16:57 GMT 1, Shame - I thought Dale uses sellotape and duck tape only on request.
you have e-mail mrframeman.
And great post!
Shame - I thought Dale uses sellotape and duck tape only on request.
you have e-mail mrframeman.
And great post!
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Daniel Silk on Oct 9, 2008 13:41:31 GMT 1, When we see these big Warhol and Hirst pieces come up at auction already framed, does anyone know how they are done?
When we see these big Warhol and Hirst pieces come up at auction already framed, does anyone know how they are done?
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by doublehelix on Oct 9, 2008 14:06:06 GMT 1, When we see these big Warhol and Hirst pieces come up at auction already framed, does anyone know how they are done?
When we see these big Warhol and Hirst pieces come up at auction already framed, does anyone know how they are done? |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Daniel Silk on Oct 9, 2008 14:16:47 GMT 1, If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think.
Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes?  or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D
If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Mister Frame Man on Oct 10, 2008 4:48:17 GMT 1, If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D
I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them!
If you have to keep tubed then treat them to a fat tube from the best in the business (and believe me cos I searched) www.essextubes.co.uk/postal-tubes.htmlAnd very good on price, so uber that you can choose your own colour I think. Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them! |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by gbh on Oct 10, 2008 5:03:47 GMT 1, I have heard legends of a sort of vacuum machine that can "suck" (insert jokes here) prints flat.
is there such a mythical beast?
I have heard legends of a sort of vacuum machine that can "suck" (insert jokes here) prints flat.
is there such a mythical beast?
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by retardthebear on Oct 10, 2008 8:35:29 GMT 1, Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them!
I would be interested in a larger tubes to store prints!
Had a L.E.T framed recently from a local framer (should have sent to MrFrameman  ) and its has slight creases from such heavy duty paper being rolled so long. Another print is my Faile mermaid, which, though not expensive, it is to big for my portfolio and is in its original POW tube.. Eek 
Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them! I would be interested in a larger tubes to store prints! Had a L.E.T framed recently from a local framer (should have sent to MrFrameman ) and its has slight creases from such heavy duty paper being rolled so long. Another print is my Faile mermaid, which, though not expensive, it is to big for my portfolio and is in its original POW tube.. Eek |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Art-el on Oct 10, 2008 9:13:19 GMT 1, Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them!
Likewise, I'm not sure on the minimum order but it's well worth calling them
Do they take orders for the odd two or three tubes? or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D I would be willing to order a quantity for these if there was enough demand for them! Likewise, I'm not sure on the minimum order but it's well worth calling them |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by funster on Oct 10, 2008 9:16:06 GMT 1, I have heard legends of a sort of vacuum machine that can "suck" (insert jokes here) prints flat. is there such a mythical beast?
My local framer has one of these, was legendary prior to framing my GWB.
I have heard legends of a sort of vacuum machine that can "suck" (insert jokes here) prints flat. is there such a mythical beast? My local framer has one of these, was legendary prior to framing my GWB. |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by chod66666 on Oct 10, 2008 9:19:26 GMT 1, Everything I have ordered from The Aquarium comes flat, never had a tube from them.
Is there a tipping point where prints are simply too big to be posted flat and need to go in tubes or is it postal risk?
Everything I have ordered from The Aquarium comes flat, never had a tube from them.
Is there a tipping point where prints are simply too big to be posted flat and need to go in tubes or is it postal risk?
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by Art-el on Oct 10, 2008 10:08:03 GMT 1, Everything I have ordered from The Aquarium comes flat, never had a tube from them. Is there a tipping point where prints are simply too big to be posted flat and need to go in tubes or is it postal risk?
Pretty well anything can be sent flat with local couriers it just gets bloody expensive.
The Aquarium packing has always been very good
Everything I have ordered from The Aquarium comes flat, never had a tube from them. Is there a tipping point where prints are simply too big to be posted flat and need to go in tubes or is it postal risk? Pretty well anything can be sent flat with local couriers it just gets bloody expensive. The Aquarium packing has always been very good |
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by arcam on Oct 23, 2008 17:58:03 GMT 1, When flattening a print that has been in a tube a while do you leave it few a weeks to slowly unroll itself or give it a helping hand?
When flattening a print that has been in a tube a while do you leave it few a weeks to slowly unroll itself or give it a helping hand?
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Flattening Prints โข Creased, Folded, Rolled or Rippled , by arcam on Oct 24, 2008 14:52:15 GMT 1, When flattening a print that has been in a tube a while do you leave it few a weeks to slowly unroll itself or give it a helping hand?
Anyone?
When flattening a print that has been in a tube a while do you leave it few a weeks to slowly unroll itself or give it a helping hand? Anyone? |
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or are any galleries on here that order in bulk happy to sell on small numbers of big diameter tubes? I would certainly be interested ;D
) and its has slight creases from such heavy duty paper being rolled so long. Another print is my Faile mermaid, which, though not expensive, it is to big for my portfolio and is in its original POW tube.. Eek 
