RBK
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Best place to sell a Parla, by RBK on Oct 3, 2009 3:20:16 GMT 1, I am sorry to see that Painters' History and Writer's Line have been separated. They should have been kept together as a diptych as originally presented.
Agreed - assuming the gallery sold them together.
I am sorry to see that Painters' History and Writer's Line have been separated. They should have been kept together as a diptych as originally presented. Agreed - assuming the gallery sold them together. |
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Best place to sell a Parla, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 3, 2009 3:52:42 GMT 1, by no means a lock to sell at the low estimate, only 36x36 inches. A top tier 48x72 incher failed to reach $40K just a few weeks ago...
by no means a lock to sell at the low estimate, only 36x36 inches. A top tier 48x72 incher failed to reach $40K just a few weeks ago...
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Simococo on Oct 3, 2009 5:07:16 GMT 1, there are a lot more buyers within this price bracket who probably have space to hang it
there are a lot more buyers within this price bracket who probably have space to hang it
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beasty
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Best place to sell a Parla, by beasty on Oct 3, 2009 13:11:55 GMT 1, I'm disappointed that this has come to auction so quickly. I asked several times to purchase that piece directly from the gallery. I was told that it was part of a diptych (the other piece being "Writers Lines") and would only be sold as such. In the end I believe the gallery kept it and maybe the same gallery is consigning to auction?
I enjoy collecting his work but this has disillusioned me a bit. I suppose it goes on with other artists and galleries but that doesn't make it any more palatable.
Oneye - if you want more info PM me. I have the info you want somewhere I think.
I'm disappointed that this has come to auction so quickly. I asked several times to purchase that piece directly from the gallery. I was told that it was part of a diptych (the other piece being "Writers Lines") and would only be sold as such. In the end I believe the gallery kept it and maybe the same gallery is consigning to auction?
I enjoy collecting his work but this has disillusioned me a bit. I suppose it goes on with other artists and galleries but that doesn't make it any more palatable.
Oneye - if you want more info PM me. I have the info you want somewhere I think.
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beasty
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Best place to sell a Parla, by beasty on Oct 3, 2009 13:14:47 GMT 1, Mose - just saw your post. Completely agree. I think it's disappointing and even if the gallery did sell them together they didn't do a good job of selecting the right collector (which they kept harping on about at the time).
From what I remember btoh pieces were to be kept as part of the gallery collection. Makes this even worse if that's the case.
Mose - just saw your post. Completely agree. I think it's disappointing and even if the gallery did sell them together they didn't do a good job of selecting the right collector (which they kept harping on about at the time).
From what I remember btoh pieces were to be kept as part of the gallery collection. Makes this even worse if that's the case.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by duncan on Oct 3, 2009 13:22:09 GMT 1, "selecting the right collector"?, these are not babies or endangered wildlife species they sold Beasty, they are only paintings, Jeez theres a lot worse things happening in the world than a diptyich being split up. Suppose if you feel that way then thats the way it is, dont see the great problem myself though.
"selecting the right collector"?, these are not babies or endangered wildlife species they sold Beasty, they are only paintings, Jeez theres a lot worse things happening in the world than a diptyich being split up. Suppose if you feel that way then thats the way it is, dont see the great problem myself though.
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beasty
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Best place to sell a Parla, by beasty on Oct 3, 2009 13:32:32 GMT 1, I was repeating the gallery's words, not mine. I was let down on several occasions because this mythical right collector popped up at the last minute. If you've been in that position then you know that it's a pain in the arse, not just because you lose a painting you like but because you've just wasted time on sorting a deal out (which takes a bloody long time sometimes).
However, if an artist paints a diptych he usually does it for a reason, not just for the fun of it. You'd hope the gallery representing him would respect his wishes. Maybe they did this time round and it's just the buyer who has split them up. Don't know and don't really care TBH. Just giving my opinion.
I was repeating the gallery's words, not mine. I was let down on several occasions because this mythical right collector popped up at the last minute. If you've been in that position then you know that it's a pain in the arse, not just because you lose a painting you like but because you've just wasted time on sorting a deal out (which takes a bloody long time sometimes).
However, if an artist paints a diptych he usually does it for a reason, not just for the fun of it. You'd hope the gallery representing him would respect his wishes. Maybe they did this time round and it's just the buyer who has split them up. Don't know and don't really care TBH. Just giving my opinion.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by duncan on Oct 3, 2009 13:39:54 GMT 1, Fair enough Beasty, i respect your view. Its mostly about getting cash in tills though to me.
Fair enough Beasty, i respect your view. Its mostly about getting cash in tills though to me.
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beasty
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Best place to sell a Parla, by beasty on Oct 3, 2009 13:47:09 GMT 1, I have to agree with that view also
I have to agree with that view also
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Best place to sell a Parla, by mose on Oct 3, 2009 15:00:06 GMT 1, Though I love the piece, I would never buy it because of it being 1/2 a diptych. Even if Jose came out and said the split was fine and his idea, the fact that it was originally designated and included in the Memory Documents catalogue as a diptych is a deal-breaker for me.
Though I love the piece, I would never buy it because of it being 1/2 a diptych. Even if Jose came out and said the split was fine and his idea, the fact that it was originally designated and included in the Memory Documents catalogue as a diptych is a deal-breaker for me.
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afroken
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Best place to sell a Parla, by afroken on Oct 3, 2009 17:29:15 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction.
I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by snausages on Oct 3, 2009 17:47:59 GMT 1, Funny thing is how all this was happening with Jose. Manipulation due to limited supply? But looks like there's a crack in the silver lining. People now have a lot of bargaining ammunition resulting from the flurry of auction consignments and number of buy-ins. I think the galleries that were waiting for the "right collectors" to come along will now be waiting a lot longer time.
Funny thing is how all this was happening with Jose. Manipulation due to limited supply? But looks like there's a crack in the silver lining. People now have a lot of bargaining ammunition resulting from the flurry of auction consignments and number of buy-ins. I think the galleries that were waiting for the "right collectors" to come along will now be waiting a lot longer time.
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lee3
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 3, 2009 18:23:07 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction.
That's some rather serious speculation, no? I have no idea who the consignor is but would caution any of us from jumping to conclusions as it doesn't do the seller any good. Like it or not, a simple misunderstanding even on these boards can go a lot further than any of us ever wished. As to my previous comment about the paint being dry, that was tongue in cheek. A year ago the flipping of artists reached a peak where it was almost shocking how quickly work went from gallery to owner to auction. All joking aside, given what the last year has done to all of us financially, I can well appreciate anyone that loved a painting last year not being in the position to keep it on their wall today. To me, that is a lot different than the nonsense we all witnessed with regularity a year ago. I don't care who the seller is in this case, but I don't want to help create a hell storm for them either. 'end rant
I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction. That's some rather serious speculation, no? I have no idea who the consignor is but would caution any of us from jumping to conclusions as it doesn't do the seller any good. Like it or not, a simple misunderstanding even on these boards can go a lot further than any of us ever wished. As to my previous comment about the paint being dry, that was tongue in cheek. A year ago the flipping of artists reached a peak where it was almost shocking how quickly work went from gallery to owner to auction. All joking aside, given what the last year has done to all of us financially, I can well appreciate anyone that loved a painting last year not being in the position to keep it on their wall today. To me, that is a lot different than the nonsense we all witnessed with regularity a year ago. I don't care who the seller is in this case, but I don't want to help create a hell storm for them either. 'end rant |
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afroken
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Best place to sell a Parla, by afroken on Oct 3, 2009 18:31:14 GMT 1, You're right Lee. It is speculation and on the basis that the piece may have been sold since the show (as it certainly wasn't sold at the show) to someone who has hit hard times, I withdraw my comment. However, i don't have a great deal of respect for this particular gallery or their practices, which is why I made the comment.
You're right Lee. It is speculation and on the basis that the piece may have been sold since the show (as it certainly wasn't sold at the show) to someone who has hit hard times, I withdraw my comment. However, i don't have a great deal of respect for this particular gallery or their practices, which is why I made the comment.
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Simococo
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Simococo on Oct 3, 2009 18:32:03 GMT 1, regardless of the history of this piece it will attract some serious interest for all the right reasons when auction day comes
regardless of the history of this piece it will attract some serious interest for all the right reasons when auction day comes
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lee3
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 3, 2009 18:34:57 GMT 1, Fair enough and admittedly, a pm would have been cooler in hindsight, my bad. My head isn't working as well this morning for some reason, perhaps too many caipirinhas with some south american friends celebrating their Olympic future. ouch
Fair enough and admittedly, a pm would have been cooler in hindsight, my bad. My head isn't working as well this morning for some reason, perhaps too many caipirinhas with some south american friends celebrating their Olympic future. ouch
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Best place to sell a Parla, by pork on Oct 3, 2009 20:42:02 GMT 1, Do you reckon from a long term financial aspect selling half a diptych like this could be a shrewd move, you sell half now, then hope that in years to come it ends up in the hands of a wealthy collector who would pay almost anything to reunite the two, you could just name your ransom see how much they want it!
Saying that, you would have to find someone willing to buy half a diptych in the first place, I know it would bug the sh
Do you reckon from a long term financial aspect selling half a diptych like this could be a shrewd move, you sell half now, then hope that in years to come it ends up in the hands of a wealthy collector who would pay almost anything to reunite the two, you could just name your ransom see how much they want it!
Saying that, you would have to find someone willing to buy half a diptych in the first place, I know it would bug the sh
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Best place to sell a Parla, by wizzy on Oct 3, 2009 20:52:18 GMT 1, Wouldnt bother me Pork, i have a nice 17th c. Walnut Chest of drawers which would have originally come with an associated stand, i suppose someone somewhere has a 17th c. Walnut stand with a f****g telly on it!.
Wouldnt bother me Pork, i have a nice 17th c. Walnut Chest of drawers which would have originally come with an associated stand, i suppose someone somewhere has a 17th c. Walnut stand with a f****g telly on it!.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by pork on Oct 3, 2009 21:05:14 GMT 1, yes, well it would bother me because I'm a fussy fucker flapjack, do people still have their tellys on/in those awful wooden stands/cabinets?, none of that crap in my house, only the best mottled grey plastic for me mate...
yes, well it would bother me because I'm a fussy fucker flapjack, do people still have their tellys on/in those awful wooden stands/cabinets?, none of that crap in my house, only the best mottled grey plastic for me mate...
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Francis
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Francis on Oct 5, 2009 4:17:31 GMT 1, who the hell wants to buy half a piece? waste of time trying to sell this at auction.
who the hell wants to buy half a piece? waste of time trying to sell this at auction.
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Philippe
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Philippe on Oct 5, 2009 5:00:01 GMT 1, It will probably get bought in and then the buyer will offer the gallery the same price for the other...they'll end up getting an ok rate on the pair.
It will probably get bought in and then the buyer will offer the gallery the same price for the other...they'll end up getting an ok rate on the pair.
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Winter
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Winter on Oct 5, 2009 20:13:19 GMT 1, I have just replied to all that enquired but given the volume of interest I may have missed a few. If you have expressed an interest but haven't heard back let me know. Will get on to the GR next. thanks.
I have just replied to all that enquired but given the volume of interest I may have missed a few. If you have expressed an interest but haven't heard back let me know. Will get on to the GR next. thanks.
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stjohn
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Best place to sell a Parla, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2009 10:38:59 GMT 1, It will probably get bought in and then the buyer will offer the gallery the same price for the other...they'll end up getting an ok rate on the pair.
May be a bit of a risk gambling on the seller still having both pieces though.
It will probably get bought in and then the buyer will offer the gallery the same price for the other...they'll end up getting an ok rate on the pair. May be a bit of a risk gambling on the seller still having both pieces though. |
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Philippe
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Best place to sell a Parla, by Philippe on Oct 6, 2009 20:18:06 GMT 1, Of course, I would assume anyone spending this kind of money would have their plan well thought out.
Of course, I would assume anyone spending this kind of money would have their plan well thought out.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by robotoil on Oct 8, 2009 1:01:22 GMT 1, Come on. Let's see a pic! :-) Lots of Parla lovers here.
Come on. Let's see a pic! :-) Lots of Parla lovers here.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by covertshadowops on Oct 17, 2009 14:00:46 GMT 1, Is the paint on this thing even dry?
Josรฉ Parlรก
Title Painters' history
Medium acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas
Size 35.8 x 35.8 in. / 91 x 91 cm.
Year 2008 -
Description Josรฉ Parlรก (B.1973)
Painters' History
signed twice, titled and dated 'PAINTERS' HISTORY J.Parlรก' 2008 'JOSร PARLร' (on the reverse)
acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas
36 x 36in. (91 x 91cm.)
Executed in 2008
Misc. Signed, Inscribed
Sale Of Christie's London: Saturday, October 17, 2009 [Lot 174]
Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Auction
Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 BP (24,445 - 32,594 US$)
Auction Info. 8 King Street, St. James's
London , SW1Y 6QT United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)20 783 9060
Fax: +44 (0)20 7839 1611
Click here to email auction house
Bid Dept. Tel: +44 (0)20 7389 2658
Provenance Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Genova
Exhibition Genova, Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Memory Documents, March-May 2008
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A real shame.
NEVER SOLD AT CHRISTIES TODAY..... the 'owner' in Genoa must be miffed.
FAILE never sold either!
Is the paint on this thing even dry? Josรฉ Parlรก Title Painters' history Medium acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas Size 35.8 x 35.8 in. / 91 x 91 cm. Year 2008 - Description Josรฉ Parlรก (B.1973) Painters' History signed twice, titled and dated 'PAINTERS' HISTORY J.Parlรก' 2008 'JOSร PARLร' (on the reverse) acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas 36 x 36in. (91 x 91cm.) Executed in 2008 Misc. Signed, Inscribed Sale Of Christie's London: Saturday, October 17, 2009 [Lot 174] Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Auction Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 BP (24,445 - 32,594 US$) Auction Info. 8 King Street, St. James's London , SW1Y 6QT United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)20 783 9060 Fax: +44 (0)20 7839 1611 Click here to email auction house Bid Dept. Tel: +44 (0)20 7389 2658 Provenance Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Genova Exhibition Genova, Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Memory Documents, March-May 2008 [/quote] A real shame. NEVER SOLD AT CHRISTIES TODAY..... the 'owner' in Genoa must be miffed. FAILE never sold either! |
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motor
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Best place to sell a Parla, by motor on Oct 17, 2009 14:32:11 GMT 1, Don't really understand your "NEVER" comment.
Better would be that they didn't realize estimates.
Plus it's quite possible that these pieces might sell after the auction.
Anyway never mind the Faile, for that amount you can buy better quality pieces these days.
However I am surprised about that Parla result, as despite the fact that it is from diptych, in terms of a quality it is a strong and quite a big piece by him (nice representative example) IMO. And those estimates were not too high either.
Don't really understand your "NEVER" comment.
Better would be that they didn't realize estimates.
Plus it's quite possible that these pieces might sell after the auction.
Anyway never mind the Faile, for that amount you can buy better quality pieces these days.
However I am surprised about that Parla result, as despite the fact that it is from diptych, in terms of a quality it is a strong and quite a big piece by him (nice representative example) IMO. And those estimates were not too high either.
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stjohn
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Best place to sell a Parla, by stjohn on Oct 17, 2009 15:28:54 GMT 1, Don't really understand your "NEVER" comment. Better would be that they didn't realize estimates. Plus it's quite possible that these pieces might sell after the auction. Anyway never mind the Faile, for that amount you can buy better quality pieces these days. However I am surprised about that Parla result, as despite the fact that it is from diptych, in terms of a quality it is a strong and quite a big piece by him (nice representative example) IMO. And those estimates were not too high either.
"Never sold" is actually perfectly correct. Due to either an intervention or the seller seeing sense, the lot was withdrawn before the sale.
Don't really understand your "NEVER" comment. Better would be that they didn't realize estimates. Plus it's quite possible that these pieces might sell after the auction. Anyway never mind the Faile, for that amount you can buy better quality pieces these days. However I am surprised about that Parla result, as despite the fact that it is from diptych, in terms of a quality it is a strong and quite a big piece by him (nice representative example) IMO. And those estimates were not too high either. "Never sold" is actually perfectly correct. Due to either an intervention or the seller seeing sense, the lot was withdrawn before the sale. |
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Best place to sell a Parla, by EHC on Oct 17, 2009 16:08:09 GMT 1, ^was the Faile withdrawn also?
^was the Faile withdrawn also?
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stjohn
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Best place to sell a Parla, by stjohn on Oct 17, 2009 16:13:19 GMT 1, ^was the Faile withdrawn also?
Sorry eze, don't know. I wasn't at the auction - just going on my Artnet result for Parla after the sale.
^was the Faile withdrawn also? Sorry eze, don't know. I wasn't at the auction - just going on my Artnet result for Parla after the sale. |
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