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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by schlomo on Nov 13, 2009 15:58:25 GMT 1, Just a heads up, and apologies for posting if peeps thought it was a sleeper, it aint! absolutely everyone in the trade has been chatting about it, random sale, random lot, its like the old days with antiques really, funny to see it in such a crap sale, two lots down from a lamp in the shape of the empire state building. mental.
So.... www.the-saleroom.com/Catalogues/Item.aspx?itemId=7921747&eventId=2779892
I have just chatted with POW about it, there is no chance it will get the coa as it was a gift and not to be sold, but........ that means it is actually a real sig, so.....
great estimate on it. ;D
Just a heads up, and apologies for posting if peeps thought it was a sleeper, it aint! absolutely everyone in the trade has been chatting about it, random sale, random lot, its like the old days with antiques really, funny to see it in such a crap sale, two lots down from a lamp in the shape of the empire state building. mental. So.... www.the-saleroom.com/Catalogues/Item.aspx?itemId=7921747&eventId=2779892I have just chatted with POW about it, there is no chance it will get the coa as it was a gift and not to be sold, but........ that means it is actually a real sig, so..... great estimate on it. ;D
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Karl Read on Nov 13, 2009 16:10:34 GMT 1, Surely that is'nt a screen print as stated?
Surely that is'nt a screen print as stated?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Daniel Silk on Nov 13, 2009 16:18:07 GMT 1, I seem to remember talk of prints like this being given as gifts to people who helped with the first Cans Festival The dedication on this one seems to fit with that story.
I seem to remember talk of prints like this being given as gifts to people who helped with the first Cans Festival The dedication on this one seems to fit with that story.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Agent Provocateur on Nov 13, 2009 16:26:09 GMT 1, As they say on 'Flog it!' it's a 'come and buy me estimate'!
So Mr Luca's being a bad boy and selling a gift... I'm torn on the issue atm.
Artist gives individual personalised piece of art, person is grateful and accepts said piece of art, later person with art wants to sell art in auction, unfortunately because it was a gift piece of art in question can never be authenticated even tho it's genuine (I am assuming it's real for my stories purposes) therefore putting it's authenticity into question.
I totally understand the non authenticating of street pieces because he would wish they stayed there, but this just seems a bit of a shame. In a way doesn't it create a grey area in Banksy's work that is authentic but will never be authenticated?
Just interested, think it's quite a good debate
As they say on 'Flog it!' it's a 'come and buy me estimate'! So Mr Luca's being a bad boy and selling a gift... I'm torn on the issue atm. Artist gives individual personalised piece of art, person is grateful and accepts said piece of art, later person with art wants to sell art in auction, unfortunately because it was a gift piece of art in question can never be authenticated even tho it's genuine (I am assuming it's real for my stories purposes) therefore putting it's authenticity into question. I totally understand the non authenticating of street pieces because he would wish they stayed there, but this just seems a bit of a shame. In a way doesn't it create a grey area in Banksy's work that is authentic but will never be authenticated? Just interested, think it's quite a good debate
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Prescription Art on Nov 13, 2009 16:40:44 GMT 1, In my life, if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it.
In my life, if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 13, 2009 16:44:09 GMT 1, EDIT - "In my life, if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it."
Exactly. Much better and more economically written than my original response. ;D
The only reason why he might choose to refuse authentication that I can think of, is that he's given away LOTS of gifts over the years and perhaps feels that it would create a free-for-all selling frenzy or something, either now or later in his career. Anyone have any different ideas?
Are there other prominent artists who've done this? Genuine question, I don't know but would like to.
EDIT - "In my life, if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it."
Exactly. Much better and more economically written than my original response. ;D
The only reason why he might choose to refuse authentication that I can think of, is that he's given away LOTS of gifts over the years and perhaps feels that it would create a free-for-all selling frenzy or something, either now or later in his career. Anyone have any different ideas?
Are there other prominent artists who've done this? Genuine question, I don't know but would like to.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by curiousgeorge on Nov 13, 2009 16:57:26 GMT 1, Shades of Grey always apply, however i would think when these were gifted the lucky recipients were aware of what they were receiving and that Banksy didn't have to do this.With that in mind these are very personal items that have been gifted, can understand how i would feel if i gave something to someone on the understanding it was thank you gift
PC could issue COA's for these which are marked genuine gifted artwork not intended for resale???
Sticky issue without a doubt, people have to take into account both sides of the story/argument imo
Shades of Grey always apply, however i would think when these were gifted the lucky recipients were aware of what they were receiving and that Banksy didn't have to do this.With that in mind these are very personal items that have been gifted, can understand how i would feel if i gave something to someone on the understanding it was thank you gift
PC could issue COA's for these which are marked genuine gifted artwork not intended for resale???
Sticky issue without a doubt, people have to take into account both sides of the story/argument imo
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bazzj04 on Nov 13, 2009 17:25:25 GMT 1, Girl i use to work with was dating one of Mr B's guys and she had a couple of Rat canvases , not sure if this were a gift or what , , ill try get a pic too if possible .
Sorry not really related to this ,
Girl i use to work with was dating one of Mr B's guys and she had a couple of Rat canvases , not sure if this were a gift or what , , ill try get a pic too if possible .
Sorry not really related to this ,
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Agent Provocateur on Nov 13, 2009 17:28:27 GMT 1, I totally agree with PA about giving with no strings attached, but a gift from a very successful artist especially Banksy adds a whole range of issues not usually associated with the odd pair of Christmas socks (sorry, tongue in cheek, but you see my point).
I'm going to have to mention the 'v' word now, I've tried to steer clear but think it's inevitable!
Banksy gives a personalised piece of art to friend to say thank you, during presentation of gift artist makes friend aware that he really doesn't want to see it sold (possibly saying Pest Control will never authenticate one of his gifts), friend says 'Thanks' and accepts gift, later friend wants to sell gift because they are really skint and need the money. Because it cannot be authenticated it will remain an uncertain purchase, therefore reducing it's value considerably, even tho it is authentic.
I'm not really talking about the relationship between Banksy and the friend, and only about it being a gift because it won't be authenticated. What worries me is the possibility in the future that (many years down the line) there's going to be a lot of confusion over authentic, not authentic and authentic but not authenticated work (say that after a couple of Nelson Mandela's!!!!).
Sorry, crap ramble, find it difficult to explain... this is a new phenomenon to the art market tho isn't it (all stemming from street work removal and selling), the living artist actually providing a service that authenticates his own work. Yet ironically not authenticating some perfectly legitimate pieces because they were gifts.
Ahhh very confused!
I totally agree with PA about giving with no strings attached, but a gift from a very successful artist especially Banksy adds a whole range of issues not usually associated with the odd pair of Christmas socks (sorry, tongue in cheek, but you see my point).
I'm going to have to mention the 'v' word now, I've tried to steer clear but think it's inevitable!
Banksy gives a personalised piece of art to friend to say thank you, during presentation of gift artist makes friend aware that he really doesn't want to see it sold (possibly saying Pest Control will never authenticate one of his gifts), friend says 'Thanks' and accepts gift, later friend wants to sell gift because they are really skint and need the money. Because it cannot be authenticated it will remain an uncertain purchase, therefore reducing it's value considerably, even tho it is authentic.
I'm not really talking about the relationship between Banksy and the friend, and only about it being a gift because it won't be authenticated. What worries me is the possibility in the future that (many years down the line) there's going to be a lot of confusion over authentic, not authentic and authentic but not authenticated work (say that after a couple of Nelson Mandela's!!!!).
Sorry, crap ramble, find it difficult to explain... this is a new phenomenon to the art market tho isn't it (all stemming from street work removal and selling), the living artist actually providing a service that authenticates his own work. Yet ironically not authenticating some perfectly legitimate pieces because they were gifts.
Ahhh very confused!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by neale on Nov 13, 2009 17:37:27 GMT 1, Might go along to see that as its near me....what do we think it will really go for?
Might go along to see that as its near me....what do we think it will really go for?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 17:45:29 GMT 1, Might go along to see that as its near me....what do we think it will really go for? around £1100 maybe? That's if it's a screen print. I wonder if anyone from the Bristol show got a signed Monkey Parliament print?
Might go along to see that as its near me....what do we think it will really go for? around £1100 maybe? That's if it's a screen print. I wonder if anyone from the Bristol show got a signed Monkey Parliament print?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by rosstierney on Nov 13, 2009 17:45:54 GMT 1, £1,500 - £2,000 inc. vat?
£1,500 - £2,000 inc. vat?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 17:47:12 GMT 1, with a COA £3000+ maybe, depending how many were made and signed
with a COA £3000+ maybe, depending how many were made and signed
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Daniel Silk on Nov 13, 2009 17:48:14 GMT 1, I think it will go over 5k easy!
I think it will go over 5k easy!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by digitalkid on Nov 13, 2009 17:48:45 GMT 1, I'd never buy this or any art with a personalised dedication to anyone else apart from myself. What's the point unless it's cheap as chips..?
I also agree with PA, once I give a gift it's not mine. Having said that, if a mate then turned and flogged it just for profit I'd be pissed.
I'd never buy this or any art with a personalised dedication to anyone else apart from myself. What's the point unless it's cheap as chips..?
I also agree with PA, once I give a gift it's not mine. Having said that, if a mate then turned and flogged it just for profit I'd be pissed.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 17:49:33 GMT 1, I think it will go over 5k easy!
is it yours? ;D
I think it will go over 5k easy! is it yours? ;D
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by ricardob on Nov 13, 2009 17:57:21 GMT 1, I think you guys are crazy. Who wants to pay so much money for a print dedicated to someone else? Come on... For 5K you easily buy an awesome signed print. Luca should keep it and tell his kids how he got it. I would.
I think you guys are crazy. Who wants to pay so much money for a print dedicated to someone else? Come on... For 5K you easily buy an awesome signed print. Luca should keep it and tell his kids how he got it. I would.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Prescription Art on Nov 13, 2009 18:23:06 GMT 1, I also agree with PA, once I give a gift it's not mine. Having said that, if a mate then turned and flogged it just for profit I'd be pissed.
Much as I think a gift is for the recipient to do what they want with, it doesn't mean you have to be pleased about them selling it... or inclined to give them anything again.
I also agree with PA, once I give a gift it's not mine. Having said that, if a mate then turned and flogged it just for profit I'd be pissed. Much as I think a gift is for the recipient to do what they want with, it doesn't mean you have to be pleased about them selling it... or inclined to give them anything again.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by curiousgeorge on Nov 13, 2009 20:05:50 GMT 1, A change of heart PA?
A change of heart PA?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by G-Man on Nov 13, 2009 21:46:05 GMT 1, I like it.... a signed Banksy... a rare signed Banksy too
I reckon it'll fetch over £4k for certain
I like it.... a signed Banksy... a rare signed Banksy too
I reckon it'll fetch over £4k for certain
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Pattycakes on Nov 14, 2009 0:01:59 GMT 1, Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens
Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by walshy on Nov 14, 2009 1:29:46 GMT 1, Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens
Thats crazy, he should just add another 10k and try to look for an original
Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens Thats crazy, he should just add another 10k and try to look for an original
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by G-Man on Nov 14, 2009 9:03:36 GMT 1, £10k phew!
That will put it well beyond what I'd be prepared to pay for it
£10k phew!
That will put it well beyond what I'd be prepared to pay for it
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by craigf on Nov 14, 2009 10:02:50 GMT 1, I had a similar discussion with someone last week re someone who worked at Cans getting a gift from Banksy, which similarly they can't get a COA for. I personally think the difference here vs. a normal gift is the perceived value. Banksy could give people a thank you card with a book token in it, but instead gives something more personal, but the value of this piece and the value the book token would have been are very different.
I had a similar discussion with someone last week re someone who worked at Cans getting a gift from Banksy, which similarly they can't get a COA for. I personally think the difference here vs. a normal gift is the perceived value. Banksy could give people a thank you card with a book token in it, but instead gives something more personal, but the value of this piece and the value the book token would have been are very different.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Cocteau 101 on Nov 14, 2009 11:02:20 GMT 1, I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him.
I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Pattycakes on Nov 14, 2009 11:20:16 GMT 1, as far as I am aware it's not a silkscreen. Thing is if you're a completionist and want a true complete collection of Banksy prints, you need to own this one. PC not authenticating it is a joke, and I think they will have to back track on this, gift or no gift, it's signed by the artist and is a work by him, you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate because of ethics and morals.
as far as I am aware it's not a silkscreen. Thing is if you're a completionist and want a true complete collection of Banksy prints, you need to own this one. PC not authenticating it is a joke, and I think they will have to back track on this, gift or no gift, it's signed by the artist and is a work by him, you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate because of ethics and morals.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Ruggs on Nov 14, 2009 14:15:21 GMT 1, Took this picture of Pure Evil's Banksy gift at his gallery.
Took this picture of Pure Evil's Banksy gift at his gallery.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by boatboy on Nov 14, 2009 14:26:13 GMT 1, Anyone know how many there is of these about?
Anyone know how many there is of these about?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by neale on Nov 14, 2009 16:51:11 GMT 1, Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens perhaps I wont bother going along after all ;D
Trade are all over it it's true. I think this might, might make about 10,000. I have a client willing to go near that level, so it's going to be interesting to see what happens perhaps I wont bother going along after all ;D
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by craigf on Nov 14, 2009 17:26:07 GMT 1, I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him.
So not a wall filler then!
I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him. So not a wall filler then!
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